Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:01 AM - SoBig virus (Richard Pike)
2. 07:24 AM - Where To Place The Antenae On MkIII (H MITCHELL)
3. 07:41 AM - Re: Alaska 2004 (kuffel)
4. 07:52 AM - Re: SoBig virus (Larry Bourne)
5. 07:56 AM - Re: Where To Place The Antenae On MkIII (John Hauck)
6. 08:17 AM - Re: SoBig virus (Dallas Shepherd)
7. 08:25 AM - Re: SoBig virus (bryan green)
8. 08:26 AM - Re: SoBig virus (John Hauck)
9. 08:35 AM - Re: Alaska 2004 (John Hauck)
10. 08:40 AM - Re: Verner Engine (William George)
11. 08:54 AM - Re: Where To Place The Antenae On MkIII (Richard Pike)
12. 09:16 AM - Re: Alaska 2004 (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
13. 09:32 AM - Re: Where To Place The Antenae On MkIII (John Hauck)
14. 09:35 AM - Re: Alaska 2004 (John Hauck)
15. 11:05 AM - OT: Re: SoBig virus (Bruce n' Kathy)
16. 01:39 PM - Address by request (Scott Trask)
17. 02:08 PM - Re: trim tab (Woody)
18. 02:35 PM - Re: OT: Re: SoBig virus (Bob N.)
19. 03:40 PM - Elevator trim, twinstar (Blackwell, Charlie & Meredith)
20. 07:18 PM - Wing tips (Ed Bonsell)
21. 09:54 PM - Re: Wing tips (James and Cathy Tripp)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
I suspect that someone on the Kolb list has a case of the SoBig virus. I am
getting 10-15 posts a day with the SoBig in it, and today one of them was
from timandjan@aol.com, who are listers. Not that it means they are the
ones where it all is coming from, but someone who has them (and me) in
their address book could be.
Just for what it's worth, could be wrong...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Where To Place The Antenae On MkIII |
Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:23:50 -0400
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
The DAR will be eyeing my MkIII Sunday afternoon. About the only thing left to
do is mount my ELT antenna, keeping in mind that my aircom antenna will also have
to be mounted in the near future. The last time I saw John Hauck's plane they
were both sticking up from the wing gap cover in front of the engine. His
chute is not on top like mine and interference with the chute is one of my concerns.
I would sure like to know what some of you other MkIII builders have done.
Thanks in advance,
Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL MkIII/912, FireFly/447 soon to be sold.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net>
John H., et al:
It would appear our participation is a go. The boss is enthused about
the idea and thinks she can get 6 weeks off beginning 1 July.
Now what about Jackpot, NV in May 2004 and then back to Monument Valley
in 2005 instead of MV every year. Jackpot has camping right next to the
paved runway and a very low price for avgas. There are also moderately
priced motels and usually a nice dinner/show at the main casino. The
scenery in the area is not as unique as MV but still rather nice.
do not archive
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I've been exactly the same - Norton has been catching at least a dozen a
day..........it's getting tiresome. Been wondering how many others are
going thru this. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: SoBig virus
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> I suspect that someone on the Kolb list has a case of the SoBig virus. I
am
> getting 10-15 posts a day with the SoBig in it, and today one of them was
> from timandjan@aol.com, who are listers. Not that it means they are the
> ones where it all is coming from, but someone who has them (and me) in
> their address book could be.
>
> Just for what it's worth, could be wrong...
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Where To Place The Antenae On MkIII |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
H MITCHELL wrote:
> The DAR will be eyeing my MkIII Sunday afternoon. About
> the only thing left to do is mount my ELT antenna,
> keeping in mind that my aircom antenna will also have to
> be mounted in the near future.
> Duane the plane
Duane/All:
I have always mounted the VHF comm antenna on the bottom of
the nose cone, since my Firestar days. Put a 45 degree bend
to the rear, per instruction with the antenna. BTW: I use
ELT antenna's for comm and ELT. They are cut perfect for
VHF voice.
The ELT antenna is mounted on the rear of the center section
behind the parachute deployment port.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
I had 21 of them in one day a few weeks ago, and the previous days I was
getting about 5 a day for four days. Norton caught them all.
Dallas Shepherd
Norfork, Arkansas
Do Not Archive
-------Original Message-------
From: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: SoBig virus
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I've been exactly the same - Norton has been catching at least a dozen a
day..........it's getting tiresome. Been wondering how many others are
going thru this. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: SoBig virus
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> I suspect that someone on the Kolb list has a case of the SoBig virus. I
am
> getting 10-15 posts a day with the SoBig in it, and today one of them was
> from timandjan@aol.com, who are listers. Not that it means they are the
> ones where it all is coming from, but someone who has them (and me) in
> their address book could be.
>
> Just for what it's worth, could be wrong...
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
So far I've not had a problem. Running Norton's and Zonealarm Pro.
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: SoBig virus
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> I've been exactly the same - Norton has been catching at least a dozen a
> day..........it's getting tiresome. Been wondering how many others are
> going thru this. Lar. Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: SoBig virus
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
> >
> > I suspect that someone on the Kolb list has a case of the SoBig virus. I
> am
> > getting 10-15 posts a day with the SoBig in it, and today one of them
was
> > from timandjan@aol.com, who are listers. Not that it means they are the
> > ones where it all is coming from, but someone who has them (and me) in
> > their address book could be.
> >
> > Just for what it's worth, could be wrong...
> >
> > Richard Pike
> > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Larry Bourne wrote:
> I've been exactly the same - Norton has been catching at least a dozen a
> day..........it's getting tiresome. Been wondering how many others are
> going thru this. Lar.
Lar/All:
Not me. I use Zone Alarm Pro and NAV. The recent updated
version of ZA Pro has done a great job. Has an email scan
that picks up the bad boys before I even see them. If ZA
Pro can't handle it, NAV can and will.
I think Road Runner, the cable modem ISP I use, also has a
spam/virus scanner.
Take care,
john h
PS: Loading the 5th wheel for immediate departure. :-)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
kuffel wrote:
> It would appear our participation is a go.
> Now what about Jackpot, NV in May 2004 and then back to Monument Valley
> in 2005 instead of MV every year.
> Tom Kuffel
Tom K/All:
Great!
That will make a fine threesome of airplanes and foursome of
people, so far. The people are the most important
ingredient. Not only those flying, but the wonderful people
we will meet on the ground at every stop.
All are invited to participate in our Alaska 2004 adventure.
I started to type flight, but adventure makes a better
description.
This is going to be a unplanned, unorganized gaggle, but we
are going to have fun and enjoy some of the most beautifully
wild country in the world. I'll have to watch John
Williamson though. He'll have me on one of his detailed
flight plans and thoroughly confuse me. Just kidding, John W.
If you are interested in joining us, let us know. All are
welcome.
The price of this tour is right: $00.00. Only your own
personal expenses.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Verner Engine |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
Aloha "Traveling John"
Welcome the Mk-3 Verner club. You are Kolb List member #3. I fly the
previous version, the SVS. Dennis Kirby has the version previous to mine.
Will be interested in your numbers. Be happy to provide any info I can
should you have questions.
do not archive
Bill George
Kolb Mk-3/Verner1400SVS/Powerfin 68" "F"
> From: Kolb-List Digest Server <kolb-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:56:22 -0700
> To: Kolb-List Digest List <kolb-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 09/04/03
>
> Time: 07:21:32 PM PST US
> From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Verner Engine
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> John C. and fellow listers,
>
> I have had several inquires about my switch to a different engine on the
> Kolbra. I will try and explain some of my reasoning.
>
> I had this Jabiru 2200 engine in my garage for another project that didn't
> work out and the Kolbra was the only tandem seat aircraft that advertised
> the use of the Jabiru that interested me.
>
> The Jabiru has proven to be a very dependable engine for me but it has had
> some short comings.
>
> The slow speed of the Kolbra does cause the engine to run near the CHT
> limits most of the time. The engine just doesn't get the volume of air it
> needs to stay cool.
>
> The direct drive forces you to use a fairly short propeller so the take-off
> and climb performance isn't as good as if it was powered by a Rotax 912.
>
> I do not favor one brand of engine over another and the new Verner 133M on
> paper looks like a very good alternative to the Rotax.
>
> I cruise just fine pushing the Kolbra along at 80-85 mph and burning about
> 4.2 gph with the Jabiru. The Verner is advertised with a smaller fuel burn.
>
> Hopefully the new three blade prop turning a lot slower will quiet the
> airplane a little, give better acceleration and climb performance.
>
> The Jabiru is 80 hp and the Verner 133M is 78 hp. Since the hp rating is
> real close, my cruise should be about the same but the rest of the
> performance numbers should improve.
>
> I am doing the final little items needed to crank it up for the first time
> now. The only thing I have to do tomorrow is drill and install the EGT
> probes and attach the exhaust system. Hopefully I will fire it up just
> before lunch tomorrow. Over the weekend I will rework the gap seal to fit
> and put the wings back on and be ready to do a new weight and balance on
> Monday and be ready to fly.
>
> I will post an email with the results of the first few flights with the
> Verner engine.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Verner 133M
> Airplane: 441 hours, Engine: 0 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Where To Place The Antenae On MkIII |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Mine is on the front portion of the gap cover off to one side. Since the
chute would go up and back, very unlikely to get tangled with each other.
You just have to remember to reach in and connect them as you slide the
cover in place. The com antenna is behind the pilots seat about 14" and
goes down and back, works good.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:23 AM 9/5/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
>
>The DAR will be eyeing my MkIII Sunday afternoon. About the only thing
>left to do is mount my ELT antenna, keeping in mind that my aircom antenna
>will also have to be mounted in the near future. The last time I saw John
>Hauck's plane they were both sticking up from the wing gap cover in front
>of the engine. His chute is not on top like mine and interference with the
>chute is one of my concerns. I would sure like to know what some of you
>other MkIII builders have done.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL MkIII/912, FireFly/447 soon to be sold.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
I would be a go for Jackpot.
AzDave
----- Original Message -----
From: "kuffel" <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alaska 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net>
>
> John H., et al:
>
> It would appear our participation is a go. The boss is enthused about
> the idea and thinks she can get 6 weeks off beginning 1 July.
>
> Now what about Jackpot, NV in May 2004 and then back to Monument Valley
> in 2005 instead of MV every year. Jackpot has camping right next to the
> paved runway and a very low price for avgas. There are also moderately
> priced motels and usually a nice dinner/show at the main casino. The
> scenery in the area is not as unique as MV but still rather nice.
>
> do not archive
>
> Tom Kuffel
> Whitefish, MT
> Building Original FireStar
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Where To Place The Antenae On MkIII |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Richard Pike wrote:
> Mine is on the front portion of the gap cover off to one side.
> Richard Pike
Richard/All:
I started putting the comm ant under the nose cone back when
RF noise from engine ign and alternator were an extreme
problem. My theory then and now is to get the antenna away
from the eng and put something between the ant and eng.
Did a lot of experimenting back in the 80's trying to kill
enough RF so I could receive and hear transmissions.
One of the biggest aids to noise reduction was the
installation of large capacitor in the 12VDC regulated wire
coming out of the reg/rec. Another was going to metal
shield plug wire terminals. I used Volvo, about 1975
vintage, Bosch wires and WR4CP Bosch Platinum Plugs with the
447. Had good noise canceling and good performance from the
Bosch resistor plugs. At that time it was a serious no no
to run resistor plugs in a Rotax. I experimented and found
not reduction in performance or reliability. The Plantinum
plugs were good for twice the hours of the NGK B8SE (I think
that is what was called for back then).
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote:
> I would be a go for Jackpot.
Dave and Eve/All:
Me too.
I liked Tom K's suggestion for Jackpot, NV, in 2004, then
back to MV in 2005.
Some of you may be familiar with Jackpot. I have not been
there, but will be roaming around the SW in the 5th Wheel
during Oct this year. Probably run up there and take a look
for myself.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce n' Kathy" <n3nrr@erols.com>
I Use a firewall Like Black ICE
and Dont Let Frends Use me in a FWD email list, that is the big
problen. No attachments unless they Previously notify me. They must BCC
me or it is automataclly deleted Whew!! hard core Yes but it works. the
firewall stops The port probes.
Also It is good to use Spybot Seach and destroy. Just About the only
thing I can constructively add to the list.
--
Bruce n' Kathy
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Address by request |
(not processed: message from valid local sender)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Scott Trask <sctrask@diisd.org>
Hi John
Here's Aaron G Gustafson address N-4323 Traders Mine Rd, Iron Mountain MI.
906 774 0683.
It looks like your not driving back up this way with your camper.
Scott
John Hauck
I tried to send this to your home e-mail twice with no success. Drop a
line to me by e-mail to see if I can send it back. It looks like I have the
right e-mail address?
Scott Trask
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Works good for me. 2nd notch up for me or fifth notch for a 200 lb
passenger.
> elevator trim tab on the old Twinstar. I never flew one, so
> have no idea of how effective or over effective it was.
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
My old Mac doesn't have sobig trouble--no firewalls, no goofy stuff from
Gill Bates and his patchwork Windoze.
do not archive
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Elevator trim, twinstar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Blackwell, Charlie & Meredith" <wozani@optonline.net>
The factory plans from 1985 show an elevator trim tab for the left elevator
on my MK II. It has been flying and working well according to the logs and repair
records that I have since 1990. The trim tab is roughly 10"X16" in the
plans and 6"X16" as installed, large but easily overpowered by the stick pressure.
The mechanism is very simple, if the spring breaks I would imagine that
the plane would have a little flutter but not be uncontrollable. And if the cable
actuator would fail, then it would nose over similar to a full trim position,
but that would be easily controllable still, even if a bit hard on the stick.
The accident seems to have been preceded by a separation of the trim tab and
not faulty use. The report states that full elevator and rudder travel remained
even after the accident. The mechanism of this accident is a bit confusing
for me. Even if the thing is a 10"X20" kite hanging off the back by the actuator
cable I do not see how this can cause an uncontrollable pitching problem.
Contributing factors could be the experience of the pilot, who was a bit confusingly
only student rated on his medical at the time, even though he had 1200
hours in a C-172. But he had only 2 hours in a Kolb. Not many instructors
would sign off a student to solo in a new type of plane after only 2 hours and
it is not even clear if those 2 hours the pilot had was with an instructor at
all, never mind one familiar with the Kolb. As an N numbered plane the pilot
had much stricter rules to follow than if it were an ultralight. Further, the
idea of being able to fly a plane just because you buy it is one that invites
disaster.
This case bother me because the factory designed elevator trim tab in the Twinstar
seems to be safe and has performed without trouble in the plane I have.
If there is a hidden danger that I can't picture, then I would like to understand
it.
For pilot experience, I can only say that I flew 10 hours with a very competent
instructor in the MK II before I felt comfortable soloing. I can't picture
going from a C-172, C-150, Piper Cherokee or Warrior, which I had hours in
all of them to the MK II without some transition training. The unfortunate pilot
in the report highlights that danger very well.
I can't see any reason to change from the factory plans for elevator trim in
whatever model you are building. But neither can I see inherent danger in the
trim tab style used on the MK II.
Charlie, NJ: MK II '90, 503 dcdi, 3blade Ivo, BRS
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Bonsell" <ebonsell@earthlink.net>
Hi Friends,
On the original Firestar 5 rib wing the Bow tip of the wing is made of 3/4 x .035.
On the blueprint I have for the 7 rib wing it originally called for 7/8 x .049,
but then was crossed out and 3/4 x .035 was written in.
I have heard some say it should be stronger. What is called for presently?
I would like to make it stronger but I don't want to build in any un-necessary
weight.
Here is my question. Would you go to a 3/4 x .049 or a 7/8 x .049?
Sincerely,
Ed Bonsell
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
Ed,
My FSII plans and instructions both called for 7/8" X .049 for the bow tip
but there was a correction made to the plans calling for 3/4 X .035 so
that's what I used. With that in mind, John H suggested stiffing up the
support braces to add strength so I changed the 3/8" tubes which run from
the main spar straight out to the bow tip out of 1/2" tubing. I also changed
the back corner diagonal brace (running from trailing edge to bow tip) from
5/16" to 3/8". The long 5/16" tube running from the spar to the back corner
is still 5/16". John also suggested adding an additional brace running from
the spar forward to the bow tip. Probably good advise but I didn't do it.
James Tripp
FSII, Covering Stage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Bonsell" <ebonsell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Wing tips
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Bonsell" <ebonsell@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi Friends,
>
> On the original Firestar 5 rib wing the Bow tip of the wing is made of 3/4
x .035.
> On the blueprint I have for the 7 rib wing it originally called for 7/8 x
.049, but then was crossed out and 3/4 x .035 was written in.
> I have heard some say it should be stronger. What is called for presently?
> I would like to make it stronger but I don't want to build in any
un-necessary weight.
> Here is my question. Would you go to a 3/4 x .049 or a 7/8 x .049?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ed Bonsell
>
>
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