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1. 05:11 AM - slingsho (Ted Cowan)
2. 05:30 AM - Re: slingsho (John Hauck)
3. 07:18 AM - Re: Borrowed Photo (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
4. 08:00 AM - Photo how long ? (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com)
5. 08:02 AM - FirestarII for sale (Paul Petty)
6. 08:12 AM - Pusher engine characteristics... (Jeremy Casey)
7. 08:45 AM - Warp 72" Prop (John Hauck)
8. 09:04 AM - Broken throttle cable (William George)
9. 09:09 AM - Re: Photo how long ? (Matt Dralle)
10. 09:23 AM - Re: Warp 72" Prop (John Hauck)
11. 09:48 AM - Re: wating..... (James, Ken)
12. 10:29 AM - observations (Bob Bean)
13. 11:25 AM - Re: observations (John Hauck)
14. 11:27 AM - Re: Transition from C-172 (GeoR38@aol.com)
15. 11:29 AM - Re: Kit on order (GeoR38@aol.com)
16. 11:49 AM - Re: Some old pictures I found, enjoy (GeoR38@aol.com)
17. 12:36 PM - Re: Transition from C-172 (John Williamson)
18. 12:54 PM - 912 oil tank suppoet (boyd young)
19. 12:54 PM - building time (boyd young)
20. 02:20 PM - Re: wating..... (Richard Pike)
21. 02:31 PM - Re: wating..... (Paul Petty)
22. 02:39 PM - Re: wating..... (John Hauck)
23. 02:48 PM - Re: wating..... (John Hauck)
24. 02:49 PM - Re: Transition from C-172 (Richard Pike)
25. 03:15 PM - banking (Bob Bean)
26. 03:40 PM - Re: banking (John Hauck)
27. 03:57 PM - recived the tube (Paul Petty)
28. 04:01 PM - ps (Paul Petty)
29. 04:18 PM - Re: Responses to the Fly-In (HShack@aol.com)
30. 04:35 PM - Re: ps (John Williamson)
31. 05:28 PM - Re: wating..... (Don Gherardini)
32. 05:45 PM - Re: ps (Don Gherardini)
33. 06:31 PM - Re: wating..... (bryan green)
34. 06:37 PM - damage report (Paul Petty)
35. 06:43 PM - Re: ps (Paul Petty)
36. 06:43 PM - Re: ps (James and Cathy Tripp)
37. 06:57 PM - Re: ps (John Hauck)
38. 06:59 PM - Re: Responses to the Fly-In (John Hauck)
39. 07:30 PM - Paint Question (J.L.Turner)
40. 08:04 PM - Re: Paint Question (Don Gherardini)
41. 08:09 PM - Re: Paint Question (Richard Pike)
42. 10:40 PM - Re: Cracks in 912 oil reservoirmounting bracket (Larry Bourne)
43. 10:41 PM - Re: jackpot (Larry Bourne)
44. 10:58 PM - Re: Broken throttle cable (Larry Bourne)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted Cowan <tcowan1917@direcway.com>
would someone please share with me the normal flying and landing techniques
used for the slingshot opposed to how a Firestar or Firestar II would
handle? I mean, the use of the flapperons, landing speed, high on wheels or
three point, difference in having passenger, etc.? Would appreciate it.
Will be having mine in air someday soon and would love to hear from another
slingshot driver on their opinion. Will have a 582. Ted Cowan, Alabama
btw, the fella looking for 8 inch wheel pants should maybe go to a
challenger web site or dealer and inquire. They regularly use BIG tires.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Ted Cowan wrote:
> would someone please share with me the normal flying and landing techniques
> used for the slingshot opposed to how a Firestar or Firestar II would
> handle? I mean, the use of the flapperons, landing speed, high on wheels or
> three point, difference in having passenger, etc.?
Ted/Gang:
Sling Shots fly like Kolbs.
They are a little more short coupled, so pitch and roll are
quicker.
Yours will probably stall at 40 to 45. As a newbie SS pilot
I would carry extra landing speed. You have plenty room at
you airstrip to do that.
SS lands well 3 pt or wheel landing.
Flaperons change the attitude of the aircraft. During slow
flight, with a lot less incidence than the other Kolb
models, the SS tends to do an exaggerated squat at slow
speeds. Full flaperons will help bring the nose down in a
leveler attitude.
Main gear are tall, so you land sooner. :-)
Fun airplane to fly. They perform well with 582 and 912. I
have flown passengers with 582 powered SS. To me it flies
better with a passenger, although it degrades performance a
little.
If you would stay home more often I could have told you the
above info in person. Missed you the second time two weeks
ago. You probably saw my tracks in the grass.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
Peter,
I know that photo from Kip Laurie's site. It was taken on his trip to Lakeland.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Volum [mailto:peterv@saftron.com]
Subject: Kolb-List: Borrowed Photo
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@saftron.com>
Some time ago one of the members on this list posted a neat picture that I
"borrowed" and have now used on our club's web site (www.lafa.com
<http://www.lafa.com/> ) as our "photo of the month".
Whoever you are, I hope you don't mind. If you do, let me know and I'll
remove it. Better still, tell me your name and I'll give you the credit for
it.
(Do not archive)
Peter Volum
Kolb Mk. III
Miami, FL
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| Subject: | Photo how long ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
I posted a photo of the Engine cowl I saw a while back . How long does it
take to post ??? Dave
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| Subject: | FirestarII for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Ronnie Smith from SMLA phoned and told me about a FirestarII for sale in Batesville
MS. It has 75hrs a 447,strobes.intercom,gps,micro760 radio. Says it is a
real dandy. $9500.00 bucks with trailer. Mans name is Shot Bright that's not a
typo number is 662-578-1669
pp
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| Subject: | Pusher engine characteristics... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey@ldl.net>
When I was flying the old Challenger 2 (God rest her soul) I remember
someone told me you work the throttle and the stick opposite to each
other...if you push the throttle forward, you have to pull the stick
back and vice-versa...
Experienced hands do it automatically, guys trying to get experienced
without bending their new Kolb's landing gear would do well to remember
it...
Jeremy Casey
jrcasey@ldl.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Morning Gang:
Been wanting to go back to my 72" Warp Drive, three blade,
fast taper, nickel steel leading edge prop, but hesitated to
do so because of the start up problem.
I've already gone to the 4" prop extension to take care of
clearance and noise (best that can be done) and waiting on a
new upgrade from Rotax for heavy duty starter and a slip
clutch.
Just talked to Darrel at Warp. He will send me the new
stuff ASAP.
Ronnie Smith has the invoice on the new starter and still
waiting on the slip clutch. This upgrade is $200 for
starter and $400 for the slip clutch. I understand all new
912S's come with the heavy starter and slip clutch, instead
of the old standby dogs and cup washers.
I liked flying with the 72" prop. Doesn't make the MK III
any faster, but will take some load off the engine and give
me about 88 mph cruise speed. Where the bigger prop shines
is in the take off and climb department. It does good!
Getting the MK III ready to fly to Kitty Hawk and London 24
Sep. Not much to do but clean it up, change oil and filter,
new spark plugs, and a "cigarette lighter" type 12VDC power
receptacle to plug in my new Garmin GPSMAP 196. My other
prior GPS's were hard wired directly to the battery. The
wires in the new cigar lighter power cable are so fine, I
figured rather than modify and wire direct, to put the
receptacle in and leave the plug on the end of the wire.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Broken throttle cable |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
Thought I'd share this with the Kolbers.
Had a nice flight yesterday. Winds were light and skies clear. Got a nice
landing and was back taxiing down the runway to the ramp. Airport was
totally deserted. Engine seemed to be idling a tad fast so gave the throttle
a little tug toward the aft stop and wheeeee, the engine went to full
throttle and stood the Mk-3 on its nose. I had the ignition off in a
heartbeat and she went back to normal tail down position. No damage. Skid
worked fine.
The Verner is like the 912 in that the throttle is reversed. Cable tension
keeps the carbs at idle and the carb springs work toward full throttle.
Inspection revealed that the lead tip on the splitter end had come off. My
theory is that the mechanical aft stop on the throttle was too far aft. In
other words the cable could be over tensioned by the gorilla arm of the
pilot.
My throttle is on the left side and is the original mount that had been
moved from the center by the builder. Today I will order a proper quadrant
and find a way to mount it on the left side with minimal intrusion on the
pilot's leg.
do not archive
Bill George
Kolb Mk-3/Verner1400SVS/Powerfin 68" "F"
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| Subject: | Re: Photo how long ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
They'll come out tomorrow. I've been tied up with some other things this week.
Matt Dralle
At 07:59 AM 9/12/2003 Friday, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
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>I posted a photo of the Engine cowl I saw a while back . How long does it
>take to post ??? Dave
>
>
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Warp 72" Prop |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Gang:
A little more 72" prop stuff.
Another reason I decided to go back to the 72" prop was the
3/8" aluminum angle engine mounts were designed for the 72".
I have about 1 3/4" clearance between prop tip and tail
boom with the 70". Going to the 72" will bring it back to
3/4" clearance which is plenty for me and my airplane. If I
stayed with the 70" prop, I would make new alum angle mts to
bring the thrust line back down.
I am also going to experiment with engine angle of attack.
Right now I have the front of the engine raised 5/8". Going
to take the 5/8" spacers out and bring it back to the
regular setting on the mounts.
Previously when I experimented with raising and lowering the
engine front end, I could not determine any change in
performance or change in flight characteristics. Maybe I
will be able to do it this time.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Find a metal shear, best way to cut gussets. I work at a Vo-Tech and use the
ours. great cuts, call you local tech school and talk to the shop teacher he
might let you come in at the end of the school day and cut your gussets
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Petty [mailto:ppetty@c-gate.net]
Subject: Kolb-List: wating.....
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Waited all day for the motor freight folks to deliver the rest of kit 1.....
no show... guess I'm to far out in the sticks. Hopefully tomorrow. Tried to
find the air powered rivet gun last night but no luck. So I ordered a new on
from Harbor Freight today. Went for the $99.00 aircraft model. Good choice?
I'm wondering why TNK pre cut the drag strut gusset's and vert stab
gusset's and left all the rest for me to cut. And on that note, what's the
best way for cutting the sheet AL for the rest of the gusset's?
I guess I'll go down to the shop and just look over and get familiar with
the parts I have and maybe do a little more cleaning..
pp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Kolbers,
-A few additional notes on yesterday's ride: The flap adjustment, while
improving on
the adverse differential in a steeper bank, may have also caused a
little nose-down
in cruise trim. I may eventually try a little aileron reflex per Richard
Pike.
My air cleaner is a cone-shaped K&N aiming forward into the airstream.
It's possible this may be the cause for my rpm drop-off at cruise. I'm
going to
try sticking it straight up from the top of the (downdraft) carb to see
if there's
any difference. I remember JH mentioning he lessened a carb problem by
aiming them to the rear. A functioning manifold pressure gage and OX sensor
would be handy to help troubleshoot this. -BB do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: observations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Bob/All:
Don't know if I fully understand the "adverse differential
in steeper bank" problem you are having. All I can think of
in banking a Kolb, and I have banked them up to what seems
90 deg, but I know it isn't that steep, is the tendency for
the nose to drop a little. A little aft stick in the turns
is all that is necessary to correct that. In a lot of ways,
the Kolb reacts to turns a lot like rotary wing aircraft.
A lot of nose down pitch under power can be corrected by
raising flaps and ailerons. I have mine flying about level,
but on the ground they may appear to be reflexed. It is
natural for the air coming over the top of the wing on the
Kolbs I have flown to tend to push down on flaps and
ailerons. There is enough give in the system to push mine
back to about level with the bottom of the wing and bottom
of the aileron/flap.
Carb problem with 912s and forward mounting carbs are
peculiar to the constant velocity/vaccum pot style carbs.
These Bings on the 4 stroke Rotax's are designed on the same
basis as the old SU carbs that were on the Brit sports cars
and my old PV544 Volvo. They read static pressure at two
points, 1) lip of carb and 2) float chamber vent. Ram air
into the mouth of the carb will tend to disrupt normal
static port readings and fool the Bing into thinking it
should lean out somewhat at a little lower than my normal
cruise of 5,000 rpm. The hoods that came with the hot water
carb heat kits I got from Pegasus Trikes seemed to have
solved my ram air problem. I also ran the float chamber
vent tube into the hood on each carb. Never had any
problems with the 912S and ram air, even before the addition
of the hoods and hot water carb heat. The 912 was very
sensitive to ram air and gave me a fit on the first flight
to the Arctic. At that time I did not know what it was
causing me and my 912 so much grief during our first flight
into cold weather.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Transition from C-172 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 9/11/03 5:10:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wozani@optonline.net writes:
> While I thought the cessnas had only a little float compared to low-wing
> pipers, the Kolbs had nothing, zilch, like dropping a soda can if you come in
> slow (<1.2 stall speed), with power almost out, and only flare a little
> bit-- it just plops hard.
> Don't mistake the seating height. Your buns are only inches above the
> ground compared to the 3 or 4 feet height of a cessna. The first few landings
> I could have sworn I was going to hit when I was still 3 feet high. Think
> of skimming the taller weeds before you let out the rest of the throttle. Or
> wait til you feel the wheels rub.
> Don't go by the book numbers on stall
>
> This is exactly the major difference between landing a Kolb and GA. The 1.2
> ratio business is GA...not ultralight...ultralight is more like flying
> gliders where you are told to land hot...to punch through any ground turbulence
> with whatever little momentum you have to carry you through the noncontrollable
> times when Mother nature competes with your airplanes stability. Momentum is
> mV...or mass times velocity...if you don't have the mass, then you must make
> up for it by increasing the velocity. GA is heavy therefore has more
> mass...which enables the utilization of the 1.2 formula (1.2 times stall speed...
=
> approach speed......) that is total garbage for a plane that doesn't weigh
> much and should be thrown out of your mind when landing an ultralight!! It is
> so clear to me that I actually get fired up when it goes unnoticed by GA folk.
>
> I apologize for my passion.
> Please fly safe
> George Randolph
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kit on order |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 9/11/03 5:44:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
duesouth@govital.net writes:
>
> > Derek
> > way to go is kinda like "isn't it lovely A?"hahaha!
> > uncle Craig
> > Mk III extra
> > Arizona
>
> Damm Yanks. It is spelled "Eh" not "A" and I think it is more a Canadian
> custom. I don't say "Eh:" much at the Kolb picnics do I ?
>
> I always thought "way to go" was just short for "that is the way to go"...or
> ..."good on you"
>
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| Subject: | Re: Some old pictures I found, enjoy |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 9/11/03 9:25:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
WillUribe@aol.com writes:
> http://members.aol.com/WillUribe/FireStar.jpg
>
Sure is soupy, Will ...and look at all the badlands below....wassup?
George Randolph
KX driver
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| Subject: | Re: Transition from C-172 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Charlie, George R and all,
To set the record straight, approach speed is calculated at 1.3 times the
stall speed in whatever configuration the aircraft is in. The mass or weight
only determines how fast the stall speed will be or weather you are an
ultralight or a GA pilot.
Here are a few excerpts from the FAA:
1. On final approach, the aircraft speed should be no less than 1.3 but no
more than 1.4 times the pre-stall speed. Homebuilt biplanes (high drag)
should use an approach speed of 1.5 times stall speed on landings.
2. Ultralights by their very nature are highly susceptible to winds above 15
mph. All ultralight aircraft test flights should be conducted in light or
no-wind conditions.
3. Even more so than America's top fighter pilots, ultralight pilots must
manage airspeed. Due to its small speed range between stall and full power;
high drag and low weight, airspeed should become the single most important
concern of the ultralight pilot.
Besides approach speed being 1.3 times the stall speed, don't forget to add
half the wind speed and the gust spread if any. These additives stop at
stall plus 20 mph if they exceed that speed.
Stall plus 20 can be relatively fast and yes I have landed the Kolbra at 70
mph. Remember we fly indicated airspeed so the ground speed was back at 50
mph when I touched down.
Do go by the Book. The book is the one you write after you determine what
the performance numbers are for your Kolb.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 444 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
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| Subject: | 912 oil tank suppoet |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
I discovered THREE cracks in the brackets that support the oil reservoir
(Mk. III Classic / Rotax 912) during preflight a couple of weeks ago.
Checked the archives and found mention of this happening only once to
somebody else on the list. Maybe I used the wrong key words.
when i found the crack in mine i welded it and mounted it with rubber isolation
mounts... so far it seems ok....
boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
<<<Shhhhh. He is very sensitive about that. I try not to mention it.
Try not to mention WHAT..... Sorry Lar I couldent resist.
do not archive.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
I have a paper cutter that is about 16" X 16" and it will shear .024
aluminum sheet very nicely, there is on like it on ebay for $17.
Ebay also has a bunch of sheet metal shears, some at good prices. Buy one,
use it, and when you are done, sell it to someone on the list who has
ordered their kit.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 11:47 AM 9/12/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
>
>Find a metal shear, best way to cut gussets. I work at a Vo-Tech and use the
>ours. great cuts, call you local tech school and talk to the shop teacher he
>might let you come in at the end of the school day and cut your gussets
>Ken
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Petty [mailto:ppetty@c-gate.net]
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: wating.....
>
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
>Kolbers,
>Waited all day for the motor freight folks to deliver the rest of kit 1.....
>no show... guess I'm to far out in the sticks. Hopefully tomorrow. Tried to
>find the air powered rivet gun last night but no luck. So I ordered a new on
>from Harbor Freight today. Went for the $99.00 aircraft model. Good choice?
>I'm wondering why TNK pre cut the drag strut gusset's and vert stab
>gusset's and left all the rest for me to cut. And on that note, what's the
>best way for cutting the sheet AL for the rest of the gusset's?
>
>I guess I'll go down to the shop and just look over and get familiar with
>the parts I have and maybe do a little more cleaning..
>
>
>pp
>
>do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Thanks Richard. Good idea
pp
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: wating.....
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> I have a paper cutter that is about 16" X 16" and it will shear .024
> aluminum sheet very nicely, there is on like it on ebay for $17.
> Ebay also has a bunch of sheet metal shears, some at good prices. Buy one,
> use it, and when you are done, sell it to someone on the list who has
> ordered their kit.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> At 11:47 AM 9/12/03 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
> >
> >Find a metal shear, best way to cut gussets. I work at a Vo-Tech and use
the
> >ours. great cuts, call you local tech school and talk to the shop teacher
he
> >might let you come in at the end of the school day and cut your gussets
> >Ken
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Paul Petty [mailto:ppetty@c-gate.net]
> >To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kolb-List: wating.....
> >
> >
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
> >
> >Kolbers,
> >Waited all day for the motor freight folks to deliver the rest of kit
1.....
> >no show... guess I'm to far out in the sticks. Hopefully tomorrow. Tried
to
> >find the air powered rivet gun last night but no luck. So I ordered a new
on
> >from Harbor Freight today. Went for the $99.00 aircraft model. Good
choice?
> >I'm wondering why TNK pre cut the drag strut gusset's and vert stab
> >gusset's and left all the rest for me to cut. And on that note, what's
the
> >best way for cutting the sheet AL for the rest of the gusset's?
> >
> >I guess I'll go down to the shop and just look over and get familiar with
> >the parts I have and maybe do a little more cleaning..
> >
> >
> >pp
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Paul Petty wrote:
> Thanks Richard. Good idea
>>I have a paper cutter that is about 16" X 16" and it will shear .024
>>aluminum sheet very nicely,
>>Richard Pike
Paul/Richard/Gang:
.024" is what Kolb is using for gussets these days. IIRC we
used .032".
Maybe I am dreaming again. But I haven't been drooling
nearly as much. :-)
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
John Hauck wrote:
> .024" is what Kolb is using for gussets these days. (?)
Hey Ya'll:
That should have been a question mark behind the sentence above.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Transition from C-172 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Good words there John.
My MKIII stalls solo at 26 indicated, so according to the various formulas
I should be at 34-46 mph indicated on final.
Never happen, GI. Slam - dunking it over the big TVA power lines on my
approach, down into a holler and then back up into my 750' uphill strip -
if I made my approaches at those low speeds I would have the biggest
collection of aluminum gear legs on the list.
I make my approach at 60 with full flaps until I can see that a go around
will not be required and then pull it back to idle about 8 feet up. I am
coming downhill all the time into the approach end of the strip, and then
level it out, round out for an uphill touchdown and let it settle in.
Touchdown is around 35-40. That overall approach is a lot different from
1.5 times stall speed, (but touchdown is not) yet I get down and get
stopped in 450 feet every time and nothing gets bent. Figure out what it
takes to make the airplane happy for your particular situation and then
make that your book to go by. These little airplanes can dissipate a lot of
speed in a hurry once you get to know them, and IMHO, speed easily
dissipated is better than speed needed.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 02:35 PM 9/12/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
>Charlie, George R and all,
>
>To set the record straight, approach speed is calculated at 1.3 times the
>stall speed in whatever configuration the aircraft is in. The mass or weight
>only determines how fast the stall speed will be or weather you are an
>ultralight or a GA pilot.
>
>Here are a few excerpts from the FAA:
>1. On final approach, the aircraft speed should be no less than 1.3 but no
>more than 1.4 times the pre-stall speed. Homebuilt biplanes (high drag)
>should use an approach speed of 1.5 times stall speed on landings.
>
>2. Ultralights by their very nature are highly susceptible to winds above 15
>mph. All ultralight aircraft test flights should be conducted in light or
>no-wind conditions.
>
>3. Even more so than America's top fighter pilots, ultralight pilots must
>manage airspeed. Due to its small speed range between stall and full power;
>high drag and low weight, airspeed should become the single most important
>concern of the ultralight pilot.
>
>Besides approach speed being 1.3 times the stall speed, don't forget to add
>half the wind speed and the gust spread if any. These additives stop at
>stall plus 20 mph if they exceed that speed.
>
>Stall plus 20 can be relatively fast and yes I have landed the Kolbra at 70
>mph. Remember we fly indicated airspeed so the ground speed was back at 50
>mph when I touched down.
>
>Do go by the Book. The book is the one you write after you determine what
>the performance numbers are for your Kolb.
>
>
>John Williamson
>Arlington, TX
>
>Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 444 hours
>http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
>
>do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Don't trust banks, keep it under the mattress. Maybe adverse
differential is a poor
description, a really coordinated design will give you the feel of
slightly more
resistance or feedback as you increase aileron travel. The Kolb is
totally linear
sort of like the early power steering on cars. No increase in
resistance per degree
of bank. Just have to get used to it, that's all. As a plus though, very
little rudder
appeared to be necessary in turns. -BB , do not archive
Yes John, it did feel like a helicopter in many ways, just can't push
the stick
around the corner :)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Bob/Gang:
Now I know what you are talking about.
Kolbs are not stable. That's the way Homer designed them to
squeeze every ounce of performance out of them. When you
roll into a turn it will keep on rolling unless you do
something about it. You'll get used to that. Helicopters
do the same thing. You roll into it, then come back to hold
the turn and bank where you want it.
Kolbs are not rudder airplanes. Just enough to keep them
trimmed up a little. You can fly around a full ball out of
trim and the Kolb could care less. Many times flew factory
Kolbs at S&F and OSH with no slip/skid or yaw string. Just
fly and enjoy it. Line it up before you touch down.
john h
PS: Me either. Don't have anything to put into a bank. :-)
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| Subject: | recived the tube |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
I received the "Big Tube" today and are fixing to head off the hangar to check
it in. The end's of the tube we tore all to pieces and the wafer board end caps
were either busted into pieces or jammed in cross ways. My bird had a ruff trip
getting here. Hope the contents are ok.
pp
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Forgot to mention that the wedges that TNK put on the big tube were torn off on
end and almost torn of the other witch makes me think it did a lot of rolling
around in shipment. However I'm sure the fine folks at TNK will make any damaged
parts good.
Darn freight companies....errrrgggggg...
pp
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Responses to the Fly-In |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 9/11/03 8:18:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Airgriff2@aol.com writes:
> . In that short time, about 22
> people have said they will be there. It sounds like there will be a great
> turn
> out. I'm sure many others are going to be there also.
>
Just wait 'till next year; a strong SC contingent. A long trip for us is 50
miles.
Shack
FS II
SC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Paul,
If I remember correctly, the freight company is liable for damage in transit
and you have to indicate any damage to the shipment at the time of delivery.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 444 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Paul...I bought a metal-master from grizzly.com, It is a 30 inch
shear..Brake and a slip roll. all for 298.00 does a great job, and well
worth the money. If you get one a these you will be makin all kinds of neat
boxes and panels , dustpans, funnels, ashtrays...not to mention gussets and
such from Alum...does just fine on .050 and will shear of brake .063 if you
dont try to do 30 inches of it..maybe a 10" or so bite is all it will
handle.
I can make a funnel out of .020 faster than I can find where I laid my old
one down at!
Check out Grizzly.com some time when ay get a chance..
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Paul....no..they wont make freight damage good....as John says..it is the
freight companys responsibility...and that is what Ray will say too!
Anytime you recieve a shipment where the container is damaged...before you
sign the bill of lading..make SURE you note on it that there is damage to
the box..or container..or whatever and do it in front of the driver..so when
the frieght companies insurance adjuster come around and tries to beat you
out of the claim..you (and he) will have that record of damage at the time
of delivery.
It might go ok for you...but it can go really bad sometimes too my friend.
Just depends on the carrier.
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
I bought the same setup from Harbor Freight on sale for $269.00 to make
parts for a Lazair I'm rebuilding and it works fine. Haven't tried a funnel
yet.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 377 BRS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wating.....
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Paul...I bought a metal-master from grizzly.com, It is a 30 inch
> shear..Brake and a slip roll. all for 298.00 does a great job, and well
> worth the money. If you get one a these you will be makin all kinds of
neat
> boxes and panels , dustpans, funnels, ashtrays...not to mention gussets
and
> such from Alum...does just fine on .050 and will shear of brake .063 if
you
> dont try to do 30 inches of it..maybe a 10" or so bite is all it will
> handle.
> I can make a funnel out of .020 faster than I can find where I laid my old
> one down at!
>
> Check out Grizzly.com some time when ay get a chance..
>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
> Don Gherardini-
> FireFly 098
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers.
How did the check in go... NOT TO GOOD..... The boom tube was gashed real bad.
It looks as if the shipping tube was dropped on one end and the big AL tube was
shoved out through the wafer board. Also the thinner walled tubing appears to
be egg shaped due to the rolling around in the back of the truck. Took photo's
of everything as we unpacked it all. TNK did a real good job of packing all
the parts into the large paper tube but the carrier did a lousy job of handling.
My suggestion to the factory for further shipments would be to build a steel
end cap for the paper tube that has legs to prevent rolling and charge a
core deposit to customers with a return tag. Not a happy camper at this point
folks. My bird took a heck of a beating in shipment.... on a better note.... glad
to see her...........:-) time to get busy......
hope to see all at the fly in.........
pp
do not archive
:-(
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Don,
I had the driver phone the office and file a claim and had the driver sign
that there was damage to the package on the waybill.
Have dealt with these basturs in the past...
pp
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ps
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Paul....no..they wont make freight damage good....as John says..it is the
> freight companys responsibility...and that is what Ray will say too!
> Anytime you recieve a shipment where the container is damaged...before you
> sign the bill of lading..make SURE you note on it that there is damage to
> the box..or container..or whatever and do it in front of the driver..so
when
> the frieght companies insurance adjuster come around and tries to beat you
> out of the claim..you (and he) will have that record of damage at the time
> of delivery.
>
> It might go ok for you...but it can go really bad sometimes too my friend.
> Just depends on the carrier.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
> Don Gherardini-
> FireFly 098
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
I can attest to what everyone else is saying about the shipping company
being liable for any damage. I picked up my tube from the shipping company
and when I got it home and opened it, 2 of the 3 spar tubes were dented in
the exact spot where there was some damage on the shipping tube. I called
the shipping company and sent TNK pictures of the damaged parts. After the
shipping company representative filed the report saying the damage was
caused by one of their fork lifts, the home office denied the claim. Hard to
believe but that's what they did. All because I didn't mention what appeared
to be a minor scrape on the shipping tube when I picked it up. The good news
was that TNK had already sent me the replacements at no charge thinking they
would get reimbursed. When the claim was denied, TNK ended up taking a loss
because I also refused to pay. Some of you may recall the article about
shipping damage in one of the recent Kolb News Letters. That article was
fallout of what happened to me. Paul, I hope you make the proper annotation
with the driver and/or have no damage. I still have the 2 spars laying in my
workshop. Sorry to be so long winded.
James Tripp, FSII, Covering
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: ps
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
> Forgot to mention that the wedges that TNK put on the big tube were torn
off on end and almost torn of the other witch makes me think it did a lot of
rolling around in shipment. However I'm sure the fine folks at TNK will make
any damaged parts good.
>
> Darn freight companies....errrrgggggg...
>
>
> pp
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> If I remember correctly, the freight company is liable for damage in transit
> and you have to indicate any damage to the shipment at the time of delivery.
>
>
> John Williamson
John/All:
You took the words right out of my mouth.
If you sign for the shipment, it is yours.
I'd try and get a freight company inspector up to your place
right away and see if I could salvage some of the results of
shipment.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Responses to the Fly-In |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Just wait 'till next year; a strong SC contingent. A
> long trip for us is 50 miles.
>
> Shack FS II SC
Howard/All:
50 miles is a leg. Then you add a few legs together and
have a cross country. You all would be there before you
know it.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.L.Turner" <jimturner@mwt.net>
Fellow Kolbers:
Since we'll have rain tomorrow, I thought it would be a great time to touch up
the hanger rash marks in the red paint on my Firestar. I believe the original
paint to be from "Stits Poly-Fiber Aircraft Coatings". I do have the swatch
book and was wondering if this paint is specifically formulated for stits coverings
or can I use another oil base or latex paint that matches? Comments?
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Turner....
If you have Stits poly-tone on it...then I would say dont try an put
anything else on top of it..it is Vinyl paint, and noy much will stick to it
well but more vinyl paint....and it touchs up real easy..just get tome MEK
thinner...and wipe it till it softens up and gets blurry...then hit it with
a brush...or a spray gun...air brush works well...with the Stits polytone of
that color.
If you dont wipe it with MEK first..then you run the risk of fisheye due to
wax..soap...bug poop...or what ever else might have got on there that you
cant see.
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
If it's got Stits on it now, I would stay with Stits. Stits is Stits, and
it is not generally compatible with other brands of aircraft dope or
anything else.
But if you insist, take good notes, drawings N' stuff, and if you ever need
to repair it, clean off the bogus stuff real good first, because you don't
want to be patching over latex or oil base paint.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 09:30 PM 9/12/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.L.Turner" <jimturner@mwt.net>
>
>Fellow Kolbers:
>
>Since we'll have rain tomorrow, I thought it would be a great time to
>touch up the hanger rash marks in the red paint on my Firestar. I believe
>the original paint to be from "Stits Poly-Fiber Aircraft Coatings". I do
>have the swatch book and was wondering if this paint is specifically
>formulated for stits coverings or can I use another oil base or latex
>paint that matches? Comments?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cracks in 912 oil reservoirmounting bracket |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I can see it coming..............gonna hafta start calling myself Big Lar
Dangerfield. Hrumphf ! ! ! (Hmmmm................where else did we hear
that recently ??) Gonna start back on Vamoose tomorrow for
sure..............maybe. Temps are only around 100 here lately, and if it
holds, things are do-able out thar. Heatstroke Lar. Do
not Archive.
P.S. - The Luck O' Lar is holding true................drove 350 miles to San
Simeon, CA last night and today, to see about taking some pictures of the
Sea Otters up there. Wouldn't ya know it..............wind was howling,
coast was fogged in solid, and there's no boat launches within 20 miles.
700 mile joy-ride. Hrumphf, again. Regarding my trip up to San Simeon
last Jan. to see the Elephant Seals, I published a page on that - finally -
2 nights ago, under "Traveling/Weekend Trips." (New category) Click on
"gogittum" below, and see if'n you can find it. Next chore is to re-vamp my
homepage, then bring "Building Vamoose" up to date.
Incidentally - WHEN Vamoose is flying, that'll be one heck of a flight for a
group of us next year, if I can drum up any interest. Of course, it WOuld
be a long haul for the Least Coast-ers, being as it's way out here on the
Best Coast. John H. has been there, and I believe Will and Dave flew over
that area during their Oregon trip, if memory serves. Guys ??? Lar.
Do not Archive - again.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cracks in 912 oil reservoirmounting bracket
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> >
> >
> > (PS - Is big LAR still building?)
> >
> >
> > Peter Volum
> >
>
> Shhhhh. He is very sensitive about that. I try not to mention it.
> The plane I bought from you is now flying.
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
My Goodness..................a positive note ! ! ! Thankee kind sir - I'm
a-gonna print that and frame it, to show the dis-believers.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "kuffel" <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: jackpot
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net>
>
> John,
>
> Do not archive
>
> <<Was saving the visit with you until we meet for the Alaska Trip the
> end of
> June. Hopefully!>>
>
> But you are allowed to visit twice. Big Lar did and he is still
> welcome. Just seems Hamilton is so close and by July the smoke from
> wild fires might have returned to obscure the view. Its been like the
> LA basin for most of the last two months.
>
> Tom, Betty & Val
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Thanks George..............it's with just that in mind that I've fooled
around some with a spring on the throttle arm to bring it to about 3/4 power
if the throttle cable breaks. Some one (Don ??) mentioned quite a while ago
that the solid type cables like I used (similar to outboard motor controls)
are prone to breakage. His point was well taken - I've had it happen on
boats. On the ground is one thing - interesting, but work-able as you
proved. In the air, if the linkage took it to idle in an awkward area,
things could get................awkward..............fairly quickly. It's
good to hear it worked out OK. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "William George" <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Broken throttle cable
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: William George
<wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
>
> Thought I'd share this with the Kolbers.
>
> Had a nice flight yesterday. Winds were light and skies clear. Got a nice
> landing and was back taxiing down the runway to the ramp. Airport was
> totally deserted. Engine seemed to be idling a tad fast so gave the
throttle
> a little tug toward the aft stop and wheeeee, the engine went to full
> throttle and stood the Mk-3 on its nose. I had the ignition off in a
> heartbeat and she went back to normal tail down position. No damage. Skid
> worked fine.
>
> The Verner is like the 912 in that the throttle is reversed. Cable tension
> keeps the carbs at idle and the carb springs work toward full throttle.
>
> Inspection revealed that the lead tip on the splitter end had come off. My
> theory is that the mechanical aft stop on the throttle was too far aft. In
> other words the cable could be over tensioned by the gorilla arm of the
> pilot.
>
> My throttle is on the left side and is the original mount that had been
> moved from the center by the builder. Today I will order a proper quadrant
> and find a way to mount it on the left side with minimal intrusion on the
> pilot's leg.
>
> do not archive
>
> Bill George
>
> Kolb Mk-3/Verner1400SVS/Powerfin 68" "F"
>
>
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