---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/13/03: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:32 AM - Re: Cracks in 912 oil reservoirmounting bracket (Kirk Smith) 2. 06:41 AM - Re: 912 oil tank support CRACKS (BICUM@aol.com) 3. 08:35 AM - Re: Transition from C-172 (William George) 4. 08:43 AM - Re: Broken throttle cable (William George) 5. 08:49 AM - cut gussets (boyd young) 6. 09:41 AM - plans (Paul Petty) 7. 10:11 AM - Re: Transition from C-172 (GeoR38@aol.com) 8. 10:14 AM - Re: Transition from C-172 (GeoR38@aol.com) 9. 10:27 AM - Re: Cracks in 912 oil reservoirmounting bracket aka ottering (Bob N.) 10. 11:31 AM - Re: Cracks in 912 oil reservoir mounting bracket (Christopher J Armstrong) 11. 12:15 PM - Re: plans (James and Cathy Tripp) 12. 12:17 PM - [ Dave Comer ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 13. 12:46 PM - Speed #s (Blackwell, Charlie & Meredith) 14. 12:46 PM - [ Paul Petty ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 15. 01:32 PM - plans (Paul Petty) 16. 01:45 PM - Re: Cracks in 912 oil reservoir mounting bracket (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 17. 02:17 PM - Re: plans (John Williamson) 18. 02:55 PM - Re: Speed #s (Richard Pike) 19. 03:10 PM - Re: plans (James and Cathy Tripp) 20. 03:15 PM - Re: [ Paul Petty ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Duncan McBride) 21. 03:35 PM - Re: Cracks in 912 oil reservoir mounting bracket (Kirk Smith) 22. 03:36 PM - Re: Speed #s (Duncan McBride) 23. 04:13 PM - Re: Speed #s (Richard Pike) 24. 05:04 PM - ambition (Bob Bean) 25. 05:24 PM - Was Speed #s, now waxing nostalgia (Duncan McBride) 26. 06:05 PM - Re: Speed #s (John Hauck) 27. 07:23 PM - Re: Speed #s (Duncan McBride) 28. 07:29 PM - Airport access (Fackler, Ken) 29. 07:55 PM - Re: Airport access (John Hauck) 30. 08:16 PM - Re: Airport access (dama) 31. 10:07 PM - Re: Airport access (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:59 AM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cracks in 912 oil reservoirmounting bracket --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" ...........gonna hafta start calling myself Big Lar > Dangerfield. Hrumphf ! ! ! I started my Mark 3 in Feb 93 Lar. Can't finish till you're done. Got to have the record in something. Sniffling Snuffy......... Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:25 AM PST US From: BICUM@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912 oil tank support CRACKS --> Kolb-List message posted by: BICUM@aol.com Hello List, I was gonna post a message on this. I have a Mark III with a 912. My Mark III was purchased from the Old Kolb. The engine kit came with the oil tank support that mounted on the engine, right in front of the flywheel. Over a two and half year period, experience three cracks in different locations. Repaired first two. Cracks were usually adjacent to welds. Found the third crack during inspection, while getting ready for flight to Kitty Hawk and TNK fly-in. Short on time, called TNK. They are using a bracket that mounts directly to the main tube. Ordered it ($126.00). Had to modify gap seal to allow for new mount. It appears that TNK doesn't use the same gap seal hold down hook as the Old Kolb. The new bracket mounts have to be installed a good ways forward to have clearance on the 1/2" X brace tubing. I got around this by modifying the mount system with 1 x 1 x 1/8" alum angle runners. This allowed me to move the rear clamp back and avoid the cross brace tubing. Worked fine. Took a while to think of it though. I would have make the bracket myself but was running short on time getting ready for the big trip. If you have the old style reservoir bracket that mounts directly to the engine. Inspect it carefully. A good tug back and forth may surprise you. Headed to airport for finishing touches for trip. Hope the Isabel is a non-factor. Thanks, John Bickham St. Francisville, LA Mark III - 912 190 hrs. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:35 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Transition from C-172 From: William George --> Kolb-List message posted by: William George Right on John. Good post. The bad news is that very light/high drag airplanes lose speed quickly. The good news is very light/high drag airplanes lose speed quickly. Where being "hot" in a heavier machine would result in a long float to touchdown, using up valuable runway in the process, the Kolbs will bleed the excess airspeed and have minimal float. That said, the standard 1.3 XC Vso plus half the wind and all of the gust will result in a pretty good cushion. Example: airplane Vso 38 mph, wind 10 mph wind gusting to 15 results in a 59 mph approach. Using the high drag X1.5 Vso results in a speed of 67 mph. Theses indicated speeds are close to cruise in some airplanes. Coming from an airline environment I am fanatical about airspeed control. Though the Kolbs are forgiving in most ways, they can bite if airspeed is not given proper attention, particularly during deceleration. Bill George Kolb Mk-3/Verner1400SVS/Powerfin 68" "F" > From: Kolb-List Digest Server > Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:56:25 -0700 > To: Kolb-List Digest List > Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 44 Msgs - 09/12/03 > > > > Time: 12:36:36 PM PST US > From: "John Williamson" > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Transition from C-172 > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" > > Charlie, George R and all, > > To set the record straight, approach speed is calculated at 1.3 times the > stall speed in whatever configuration the aircraft is in. The mass or weight > only determines how fast the stall speed will be or weather you are an > ultralight or a GA pilot. > > Here are a few excerpts from the FAA: > 1. On final approach, the aircraft speed should be no less than 1.3 but no > more than 1.4 times the pre-stall speed. Homebuilt biplanes (high drag) > should use an approach speed of 1.5 times stall speed on landings. > > 2. Ultralights by their very nature are highly susceptible to winds above 15 > mph. All ultralight aircraft test flights should be conducted in light or > no-wind conditions. > > 3. Even more so than America's top fighter pilots, ultralight pilots must > manage airspeed. Due to its small speed range between stall and full power; > high drag and low weight, airspeed should become the single most important > concern of the ultralight pilot. > > Besides approach speed being 1.3 times the stall speed, don't forget to add > half the wind speed and the gust spread if any. These additives stop at > stall plus 20 mph if they exceed that speed. > > Stall plus 20 can be relatively fast and yes I have landed the Kolbra at 70 > mph. Remember we fly indicated airspeed so the ground speed was back at 50 > mph when I touched down. > > Do go by the Book. The book is the one you write after you determine what > the performance numbers are for your Kolb. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:21 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Broken throttle cable From: William George --> Kolb-List message posted by: William George Thanks Lar. Reducing spring tension might be a possibility. Wonder what the other folks have done. I already had a plan in place if it broke in the air. Haven't flight tested it though. Now--get ur malingering butt out there in the heat and massage Vamoose. do not archive Bill George Kolb Mk-3/Verner1400SVS/Powerfin 68" "F" > From: Kolb-List Digest Server > Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:56:25 -0700 > To: Kolb-List Digest List > Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 44 Msgs - 09/12/03 > > Time: 10:58:25 PM PST US > From: "Larry Bourne" > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Broken throttle cable > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > Thanks George..............it's with just that in mind that I've fooled > around some with a spring on the throttle arm to bring it to about 3/4 power > if the throttle cable breaks. Some one (Don ??) mentioned quite a while ago > that the solid type cables like I used (similar to outboard motor controls) > are prone to breakage. His point was well taken - I've had it happen on > boats. On the ground is one thing - interesting, but work-able as you > proved. In the air, if the linkage took it to idle in an awkward area, > things could get................awkward..............fairly quickly. It's > good to hear it worked out OK. Lar. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:05 AM PST US From: "boyd young" Subject: Kolb-List: cut gussets --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" And on that note, what's the best way for cutting the sheet AL for the rest of the gusset's? I used the big old style of tin snips..... the ones with about 2 1/2 to 3 inch cutting surface and 10 inch handels... very easy to keep a smooth edge and strait cut. boyd ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:20 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: plans --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Kolbers, Do plans normally come with these kits or just a building manual? The factory is closed so I thought I'd ask the list. pp do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:52 AM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Transition from C-172 --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 09/12/2003 3:37:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kolbrapilot@comcast.net writes: > Charlie, George R and all, > > To set the record straight, approach speed is calculated at 1.3 times the > stall speed in whatever configuration the aircraft is in. The mass or weight > only determines how fast the stall speed will be or weather you are an > ultralight or a GA pilot. > > Here are a few excerpts from the FAA: > 1. On final approach, the aircraft speed should be no less than 1.3 but no > more than 1.4 times the pre-stall speed. Homebuilt biplanes (high drag) > should use an approach speed of 1.5 times stall speed on landings. > > 2. Ultralights by their very nature are highly susceptible to winds above 15 > mph. All ultralight aircraft test flights should be conducted in light or > no-wind conditions. > > 3. Even more so than America's top fighter pilots, ultralight pilots must > manage airspeed. Due to its small speed range between stall and full power; > high drag and low weight, airspeed should become the single most important > concern of the ultralight pilot. > > Besides approach speed being 1.3 times the stall speed, don't forget to add > half the wind speed and the gust spread if any. These additives stop at > stall plus 20 mph if they exceed that speed. > > Stall plus 20 can be relatively fast and yes I have landed the Kolbra at 70 > mph. Remember we fly indicated airspeed so the ground speed was back at 50 > mph when I touched down. > > Do go by the Book. The book is the one you write after you determine what > the performance numbers are for your Kolb. > > > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 444 hours > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/ > > John and all, I appreciate your solicitation to "go by the book"....shall we do a little book math? I have tested out my plane to stall at 26 IAS....this is not MUSH speed ...but the actual stall break speed when I'm up high, practicing. You know , when a wing usually drops and the nose goes over. 1.3 times 26 = 33.8 or 34 mph appoach speed. Whenever I land my Kolb at 34 or thereabouts, I risk bending a gear Now it is true that I weigh 215 now, so that is no doubt a factor on my skinny little aluminum original legs. As a precaution, I never land less than 40 and sometimes 45 if there is a little gustiness which cranks out to be: 40/ 26 = 1.54....which becomes my minimun ratio for landing...which exceeds your "book" 1.4 maximum So I have concluded that Kolb landings should either be hotter than the book or I am looking at something wrong. please flame away folks George Randolph KX Firestar driver with 7 bent landing gear, since '93...(but none since 99 or landing at 1.54) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:35 AM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Transition from C-172 --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 09/12/2003 5:50:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rwpike@charter.net writes: > These little airplanes can dissipate a lot of > speed in a hurry once you get to know them, and IMHO, speed easily > dissipated is better than speed needed. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > good point!!! George Randolph do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:48 AM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cracks in 912 oil reservoirmounting bracket aka ottering --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." BigLar, At yer age, you otter know better! Bob N. do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:11 AM PST US From: "Christopher J Armstrong" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Cracks in 912 oil reservoir mounting bracket --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher J Armstrong" I started my Firestar II in 91... then I started Caitlin Bobby and Jennifer. then moved to Michigan then to Wisconsin. I have the frame done on gear, engine mounted, wings done tails done. Only things left to build I the ailerons, fuel system and wiring. If I could string together 1 month of work I would have it ready for covering. Topher -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kirk Smith Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cracks in 912 oil reservoirmounting bracket --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" ...........gonna hafta start calling myself Big Lar > Dangerfield. Hrumphf ! ! ! I started my Mark 3 in Feb 93 Lar. Can't finish till you're done. Got to have the record in something. Sniffling Snuffy......... Do not archive --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. --- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:45 PM PST US From: "James and Cathy Tripp" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: plans --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" Paul, Some kits do and some don't. The FS for example has a big set of plans and also a small instruction manual. The Kolbra only has a set of instructions but has lots of good pictures. Most of that is that was because of the effort John Williamson put into him Kolbra and then helped TNK with the manual. Your instruction manual is much better than my plans ands instructions combined. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong on this but I'm pretty sure that's the way it is. James Tripp, FS II, Covering ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: plans > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Kolbers, > Do plans normally come with these kits or just a building manual? The factory is closed so I thought I'd ask the list. > > pp > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:30 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: [ Dave Comer ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Dave Comer Subject: Kolb Engine Cowling http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/BMWBikeCrz@aol.com.09.13.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:07 PM PST US From: "Blackwell, Charlie & Meredith" Subject: Kolb-List: Speed #s --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Blackwell, Charlie & Meredith" Thanks guys for describing it more clearly than I had it. Having so many opinions on this list is very helpful to fully clarify things. I was just using the 1.2X speed as a personal reference. My ASI does not quite match the GPS numbers I get, seems to vary with speed, but is within 5% most of the time. Good enough to work with for me. I did not remember the FAA had actual recommendations on the flight numbers for final and such, but am glad someone mentioned them. It seems like I came close from practice and my instructor's recommendations. Long final at 50 mph is actually close to 1.6X my stall speed of 30mph indicated. Which is like the homebuilt bi-plane number. Over the numbers at 40/42 is close to 1.3/1.4X stalling speed. This means that I am still roughly 10 feet high over the end of the runway. And then I continue the descent til the wheels rub and cut the throttle back to zero as it touches, which is usually passing 35mph on its way to the 30mph stalling. But by then I am bouncing down the grassy places anyway. My above #s are for single occupancy. Some of you have much tighter runways apparently and the short landing distance is very important to you. Does your technique vary much? I don't think I would get the: over the wires/down the gully/over the lip and uphill landing strip without a lot of practice. The MK II does not have flaps or flaperons, just lots of drag to help things. How does you short strip change the above technique? Charlie MKII, 503 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:07 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: [ Paul Petty ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Paul Petty Subject: Reveiving Kit http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/ppetty@c-gate.net.09.13.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:59 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: plans --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Thanks James, I was wondering because I figured the plans fell out of the beat up shipping tube somewhere along the trail. It looks as if only the Boom tube was damaged. I'm going to the hangar this afternoon to mic the other smaller thin wall tubing to see if any of them are damaged. I figure I'll just haul the damaged parts with me to the fly in and get them replaced there. I posted a few pictures of the damage on the photo share. pp do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:09 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cracks in 912 oil reservoir mounting bracket --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Ohooooooo Say it aint so!!! The thought of one taking longer than Big Lar just about did me in but TWO!!! OK you guys get off the computers RIGHT NOW and get building. For the rest of you that just started the build process, it doesn't take that long if you don't make many changes and aren't on vacation all the time like Big Lar. I set a schedule of one hour per day on the average and it took me two years plus another year to get the direct drive VW all sorted out. If you can work more and/or you don't have to redo as many things two or three times it will take you less. There are stories of people building Kolbs in less than six months. Do not archive Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher J Armstrong" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Cracks in 912 oil reservoir mounting bracket > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher J Armstrong" > > I started my Firestar II in 91... then I started Caitlin Bobby and > Jennifer. then moved to Michigan then to Wisconsin. I have the frame > done on gear, engine mounted, wings done tails done. Only things left to ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:17 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: plans --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Paul, For the Kolbra, all you get is a construction manual. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 444 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:24 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Speed #s --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike No, I try not to vary my technique any. No matter if I have 500' or 5,000' or runway, I try to shoot every approach the same - steep, 60 mph and full flaps at idle power aimed at a point just prior to the runway, (or where I imagine the runway threshold to be) then start to round out the steep descent at the threshold, 8 feet up with airspeed approx 50 crossing the threshold, and plan to touch down at approx 35 after 100-150' of float down the runway. Since I only have one technique, I don't have to try and remember any variations. I have one technique and I practice it consistently. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 03:45 PM 9/13/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Blackwell, Charlie & Meredith" > > > Does your technique vary much? I don't think I would get the: over > the wires/down the gully/over the lip and uphill landing strip without a > lot of practice. The MK II does not have flaps or flaperons, just lots > of drag to help things. How does you short strip change the above technique? > >Charlie MKII, 503 > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:09 PM PST US From: "James and Cathy Tripp" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: plans --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" BTW, if the damage is right on the end of the tube and not a couple of feet in, you can bang out the dent and still use it. James Tripp, FSII, Covering ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: plans > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Thanks James, > I was wondering because I figured the plans fell out of the beat up shipping tube somewhere along the trail. It looks as if only the Boom tube was damaged. I'm going to the hangar this afternoon to mic the other smaller thin wall tubing to see if any of them are damaged. I figure I'll just haul the damaged parts with me to the fly in and get them replaced there. I posted a few pictures of the damage on the photo share. > > > pp > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:53 PM PST US From: "Duncan McBride" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Paul Petty ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" I used a piece of the big fiberboard shipping tube for a scrap bin for a year, then I screw it to a base and made a cat tree out of it for my girlfriend's cats. Covered it with brown and green carpet, and cut some branches out of plywood for the little hairballs to sleep on. They like it, they've torn it to shreds. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Email List Photo Shares" Subject: Kolb-List: [ Paul Petty ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares > > > A new Email List Photo Share is available: > > Poster: Paul Petty > > > Subject: Reveiving Kit > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/ppetty@c-gate.net.09.13.2003/index.html > > > o Main Photo Share Index > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > o Submitting a Photo Share > > If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the > following information along with your email message and files: > > 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: > 2) Your Full Name: > 3) Your Email Address: > 4) One line Subject description: > 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: > 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: > > Email the information above and your files and photos to: > > pictures@matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:02 PM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cracks in 912 oil reservoir mounting bracket --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > The thought of one taking longer than Big Lar just about did me in but > TWO!!! OK you guys get off the computers RIGHT NOW and get building. I'm gonna need a grizzled old Drill sergeant to kick me in the b---- every day too. At least I'm not in last place ...... Slowpoke snuf........ Do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:07 PM PST US From: "Duncan McBride" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Speed #s --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" Yeah, me too. A lot of the guys at my field carry power all the way to touchdown, but I just like the habit of practicing the landing technique you'll have to use someday, every time. Every landing is a routine power-off, short field, emergency landing. What I do to allow for crosswinds, headwinds, thermals and the like is to fly the approach a little high and tight and go to half flaps and full flaps when I'm certain I can make the threshold. The Mark III slows down so fast, if you are a little high and hot over the numbers (or trees), you'll slow down quick when you round out. The only thing is, when I land at Gardner, a 4000' grass strip, I have to power up and taxi a half-mile to the ramp. The guys ask me why I wanted to land way out there, and I say, "I'm practicing." I have 82 hours on the Mark III, and I'm really beginning to like it. It's great getting to know the plane so well. Hope to see you all at the fly-in. My hope is Isobel will suck all the bad weather out of the southeast and take it somewhere off the coast of Delaware. Clear blue skies, everybody. Duncan McBride 319DM Mark III, 912 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Speed #s > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > No, I try not to vary my technique any. No matter if I have 500' or 5,000' > or runway, I try to shoot every approach the same - steep, 60 mph and full > flaps at idle power aimed at a point just prior to the runway, (or where I > imagine the runway threshold to be) then start to round out the steep > descent at the threshold, 8 feet up with airspeed approx 50 crossing the > threshold, and plan to touch down at approx 35 after 100-150' of float down > the runway. > Since I only have one technique, I don't have to try and remember any > variations. I have one technique and I practice it consistently. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > do not archive > > > At 03:45 PM 9/13/03 -0400, you wrote: > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Blackwell, Charlie & Meredith" > > > > > > Does your technique vary much? I don't think I would get the: over > > the wires/down the gully/over the lip and uphill landing strip without a > > lot of practice. The MK II does not have flaps or flaperons, just lots > > of drag to help things. How does you short strip change the above technique? > > > >Charlie MKII, 503 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:14 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Speed #s --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike At 06:44 PM 9/13/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" >The only thing is, when I land at Gardner, a 4000' grass strip, >I have to power up and taxi a half-mile to the ramp. The guys ask me why I >wanted to land way out there, and I say, "I'm practicing." > >Duncan McBride >319DM >Mark III, 912 Visualize yourself a threshold closer to parking??? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:32 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Kolb-List: ambition --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Paul P. - nice organized shop, at least now. Just looking at all those parts is making me tired. -The season has arrived to restart the old snowplow, pick the hops vine for a batch-o-brew, make some frozen tomato sauce. -Kick back and enjoy the waning days of warmth. -BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:41 PM PST US From: "Duncan McBride" Subject: Kolb-List: Was Speed #s, now waxing nostalgia --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" Yeah, aiming at the end of the runway is a hard habit to break, but that would be the place to do it. I could take off again and fly up to the north end and land, but it would make the guys putting their sailplanes together nervous anyway. Gardner Field, they're still teaching in a Schweizer 2-22. What a tank, it weighs more than my Mark III. A few 1-26s on the field and a 1-35. I hope to get my sailplane rating there this winter. Drive to the field, fly to Gardner, fly sailplanes, fly home. There's a Saturday for you. They even have peanuts and RC Cola for lunch. Sure we have mosquitos and hurricanes and 100% humidity from June to September, but wintertime in South Florida can be real nice. Seeya, Duncan McBride Mark III, 319DM do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" > > >The only thing is, when I land at Gardner, a 4000' grass strip, > >I have to power up and taxi a half-mile to the ramp. The guys ask me why I > >wanted to land way out there, and I say, "I'm practicing." > > > > Visualize yourself a threshold closer to parking??? > > Richard Pike ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:43 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Speed #s --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > The only thing is, when I land at Gardner, a 4000' grass strip, > I have to power up and taxi a half-mile to the ramp. The guys ask me why I > wanted to land way out there, and I say, "I'm practicing." > Duncan McBride Duncan/All: If you don't want to get all that taxi practice at Gardner, shoot your approach to the midfield taxiway, or whatever taxiway is nearest the hangers. Seems you could still use you same technique for landing. Pick a spot, get a sight picture, a spot of the windshield, and fly to it. I usually try to land as near the turn off to taxiway at large airports to keep from speeding more time taxiing than crosscountrying. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:29 PM PST US From: "Duncan McBride" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Speed #s --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" Sure enough, it's just that it's still such a novelty to land in about 400'. I don't have the facility to see just how much space I need, so I aim at the edge of the field. I'm getting used to landing with a whole lot of airport left, so I'll start to work on judging just what I need. Even when flying hang gliders, the discipline is to leave as much space in front of you as you can - a hard habit to break, but 4000' is ridiculous, I agree. I'll work on it. Thanks to all for the suggestions about mountain flying. I especially appreciated the advice about the specific terrain to avoid. I'm going to leave as early as I can to allow the time to take the easy route, and wait out less than perfect weather. See y'all Duncan McBride Mark III, 319DM ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Speed #s > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > > > The only thing is, when I land at Gardner, a 4000' grass > strip, > > I have to power up and taxi a half-mile to the ramp. The guys ask me why I > > wanted to land way out there, and I say, "I'm practicing." > > > Duncan McBride > > Duncan/All: > > If you don't want to get all that taxi practice at Gardner, > shoot your approach to the midfield taxiway, or whatever > taxiway is nearest the hangers. Seems you could still use > you same technique for landing. Pick a spot, get a sight > picture, a spot of the windshield, and fly to it. > > I usually try to land as near the turn off to taxiway at > large airports to keep from speeding more time taxiing than > crosscountrying. > > john h > > DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:20 PM PST US From: "Fackler, Ken" Subject: Kolb-List: Airport access --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" DO NOT ARCHIVE Dear fellow Kolbers: There appears to be a strong probability that I may have to sell my Kolb Mark II in the near future. The airport where I'm based, Ray Community (57D), formerly known as New Haven Macomb (whose motto is "The Friendliest Little Airport in Michigan"), appears to be near to banning all ultralight operations there. They are in the process now of kicking off a skydiving club and this evening I received information that leads me strongly to believe that the ultralighters are next. I've been in communication/consultation with the airport management to the extent possible but it appears that my appeals, suggestions, and arguments are falling on deaf ears. There are no other airports with available hangar space anywhere near me, so this may well force me out of aviation. If any of you have had experience with a situation like this, or if you have any suggestions for approaches that might forestall this dreadful event, please contact me off-list, direct at: kfackler@ameritech.net -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF (for now) Rochester MI ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:56 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airport access --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck I received information that leads me strongly to > believe that the ultralighters are next. > -Ken Fackler Ken/All: Try registering your MK II. That seems to change the entire aircraft, with application of "N" number. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:00 PM PST US From: "dama" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airport access --> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" Yep, this just happend to 4 "ultralighters" at my field (Monroe, GA). A new city councilman decided that tax revenue would be increased by getting more expensive aircraft in the hangars. He tried just kicking ultrtlights out but quickly realized that his federal airport funding would be in jeopardy because of discrimination (see 'aviation ignorance' in the dictionary). He then re-wrote the lease which required insurance and to be "FAA registered". I am now the only one left as I have all of the requirements of a Citation 10 per the lease. It is nice to have an N#. You have to pay for for some items (taxes, insurance, FAA inspection) but idiots like those mentioned above can't touch you... Good luck. Kip http://www.springeraviation.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airport access > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > I received information that leads me strongly to > > believe that the ultralighters are next. > > -Ken Fackler > > Ken/All: > > Try registering your MK II. That seems to change the entire > aircraft, with application of "N" number. > > john h > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:39 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airport access --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike I would think being registered with USUA would meet the requirements of being FAA registered. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 11:20 PM 9/13/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" > >Yep, this just happend to 4 "ultralighters" at my field (Monroe, GA). A new >city councilman decided that tax revenue would be increased by getting more >expensive aircraft in the hangars. He tried just kicking ultrtlights out but >quickly realized that his federal airport funding would be in jeopardy >because of discrimination (see 'aviation ignorance' in the dictionary). He >then re-wrote the lease which required insurance and to be "FAA registered". >I am now the only one left as I have all of the requirements of a Citation >10 per the lease. It is nice to have an N#. You have to pay for for some >items (taxes, insurance, FAA inspection) but idiots like those mentioned >above can't touch you... >Good luck. >Kip > >http://www.springeraviation.net/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Hauck" >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airport access > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > > > I received information that leads me strongly to > > > believe that the ultralighters are next. > > > -Ken Fackler > > > > Ken/All: > > > > Try registering your MK II. That seems to change the entire > > aircraft, with application of "N" number. > > > > john h > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > >