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1. 04:18 AM - Re: Rad Electronics intercom and general ramblings about N616DR (bryan green)
2. 05:22 AM - Re: Firestar II Questions - wheel alignment (Bob Bean)
3. 05:43 AM - Minimum octane gas (Airgriff2@aol.com)
4. 06:14 AM - Re: Minimum octane gas (John Hauck)
5. 07:12 AM - Re: Minimum octane gas (Mhqqqqq@aol.com)
6. 07:14 AM - Re: Rad Electronics intercom and general ramblings about N616DR (H MITCHELL)
7. 07:55 AM - Kill Devil Hills (FAA) (John Hauck)
8. 10:22 AM - Re: Firestar II Questions (William George)
9. 03:13 PM - Re: Kill Devil Hills (FAA) (Duncan McBride)
10. 03:45 PM - Re: Kill Devil Hills (FAA) (John Hauck)
11. 04:02 PM - Re: Copper State (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
12. 04:15 PM - Rotax 377 teardown (J.L.Turner)
13. 04:54 PM - Re: Rotax 377 teardown (Olenik Aviation)
14. 05:18 PM - copper state (CRAIG M NELSON)
15. 05:38 PM - DIHEDRAL (Bill Vincent)
16. 07:14 PM - Re: (boyd young)
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| Subject: | Re: Rad Electronics intercom and general ramblings about N616DR |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Mornin Denny I don't know about your gap seals have them on mine. I have the
RAD setup also and it works fine.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 377 BRS
----- Original Message -----
From: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rad Electronics intercom and general ramblings about
N616DR
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
>
> > Turn the question around and ask it another way:
> > "If I take a chain saw and cut a couple 3/8" wide slots across the back
of
> > the wing ahead of the ailerons and flaps, do you guys think it will hurt
> my
> > performance?"
> >
> > Sorry, couldn't resist...
> >
> > Richard Pike
> > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> >
> > do not archive
>
> OK, I should have known a question like that would bring out the real ball
> busters on the list. :-)
> But seriously, I have talked to a lister who built and flies a Firefly and
> who will remain unnamed as to avoid collateral flamming who says he really
> does not see a differance between tape and no tape, he has flown with tape
> and without, with tape on one wing and not on the other and really did not
> feel any differance. Maybe with the Mk-3 having two gaps instead of one
> like the Fly it is more pronounced not having tapes?
> Really, please let me know if you have flown both with and without the
> tapes, what model you fly and what differance did you observe, I won't add
> em unless I know they make a noticable differance in performance.
> If it isn't on the plane, you don't have to maintain it. Keep it simple
> (cause I'm) stupid, or somthing to that effect.
> Denny Rowe
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II Questions - wheel alignment |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
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>Al, if you do feel inclined to change the alignment, you could do so by
>welding the holes in the axle fittings closed, then align and redrill.
>-Ben Ransom
> Firestar KXP
>
A VERY small change in hole location makes a big difference. I was able
to correct a
used leg by welding on one side of the hole and filing the other side
out to bolt size.
TNK Tour Travelers, here's wishing you all a bon voyage, (mild)
tailwinds both ways,
and fair weather. -BB
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| Subject: | Minimum octane gas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
I told the other Rotax engine usuers at my field about the discussions on
the list about how the recommended octane to use is minimum 87. The general
feeling was that all that means is that you should use a "MINIMUM" 87and it was
better to use higher than that. My question is , is there any benifit to
running higher than 87 octane? Someone said the lower octane burns hotter. (is
that
what we want?) Does the higher octane burn cleaner?
I guess at this point we all agree to use Minimum 87 . Is there any reason to
burn mid grade or high test?
Fly safe
Bob Griffin
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum octane gas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
I guess at
> this point we all agree to use Minimum 87 . Is there any
> reason to burn mid grade or high test?
>
> Fly safe Bob Griffin
Bob/All:
If it feels good, use it.
Here's a blurb from a google search:
What if I use premium but don't really need it? Most cars
give optimum performance on regular or mid-grade gasoline.
If you're buying premium and your car's not running any
better than it does with a lower-octane gasoline, you're
probably wasting money. However, some cars may operate
better on premium because of additives. Additives, which are
found in all gasolines, keep engines clean and make them run
more efficiently. Some brands have more effective additives
and some use bigger doses in their premium grades.
You can read the rest of it at:
http://www.espa.net/octane.htm
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum octane gas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mhqqqqq@aol.com
I have not been reading all the messages on this subject. if anyone has said
this before I'm sorry.
I use 92 octane, the only reason is I can get it without alcohol. I have a
1985 engine (503) and don't think the rubber parts of the carb will take the
alcohol. one more point is when I let it sit over winter I don't want the
alcohol to attract water and start to rust things in the crank case.
this may or may not be a valid point but it is what I do and it works for me.
mark hansen
kolb twinstar
south east minnesota
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| Subject: | Re: Rad Electronics intercom and general ramblings about N616DR |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:14:32 -0400
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
If the discussion on wing gap tapes is up for a vote I would say yes for the gap
seals on the FireFly. I installed the wing gap seals before the first flight
but did not install the tapes on the elevator gap until later. There was a major
improvement in elevator control after the elevator gap seal was installed.
I do not recommend the transparent "cloth" tape that I used. The transparency faded
into a dirty brown mess as soon as it picked up dirt, grass and runway dust.
Now I will have to strip it off and replace it with the white stuff which
seems to stay neat even after it has been on for a while.
----- Original Message -----
From: rowedl@highstream.net
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rad Electronics intercom and general ramblings about
N616DR
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
> Turn the question around and ask it another way:
> "If I take a chain saw and cut a couple 3/8" wide slots across the back of
> the wing ahead of the ailerons and flaps, do you guys think it will hurt
my
> performance?"
>
> Sorry, couldn't resist...
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
OK, I should have known a question like that would bring out the real ball
busters on the list. :-)
But seriously, I have talked to a lister who built and flies a Firefly and
who will remain unnamed as to avoid collateral flamming who says he really
does not see a differance between tape and no tape, he has flown with tape
and without, with tape on one wing and not on the other and really did not
feel any differance. Maybe with the Mk-3 having two gaps instead of one
like the Fly it is more pronounced not having tapes?
Really, please let me know if you have flown both with and without the
tapes, what model you fly and what differance did you observe, I won't add
em unless I know they make a noticable differance in performance.
If it isn't on the plane, you don't have to maintain it. Keep it simple
(cause I'm) stupid, or somthing to that effect.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Kill Devil Hills (FAA) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Gang:
Talked to FSS Anniston a minute ago. FFA is open.
Haven't heard from the other members of the Flight To London
Via Kitty Hawk Gaggle in the last day or so. As far as I
know, the flight is still on. I am expecting John
Williamson, John Bickham, and Gary Haley, to arrive Wetumpka
(08A) tomorrow afternoon. We plan to depart 08A for parts
east at 0730, 24 Sep. Meet Kip Laurie at Milledgeville, GA,
Howard "Shack" Shackleford at Trenton, SC, and Steven
Green at Wallace, NC, where we plan to RON. Should arrive
Chesnut Knolls Air Foundation morning of 26 Sep.
Take care,
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II Questions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
Re: Dihedral-
Dihedral has an influence on spiral stability. Another important aspect of
dihedral is yaw/roll coupling. An airplane with more dihedral can be made to
induce a bank (roll) with rudder only. My Mk-3 has almost zero dihedral and
turns cannot be initiated or terminated with the rudder.
The utility of this feature is subjective. My personal preference would be
for a modicum of roll coupling.
Bill George
Kolb Mk-3/Verner1400SVS/Powerfin 68" "F"
> From: Kolb-List Digest Server <kolb-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:56:22 -0700
> To: Kolb-List Digest List <kolb-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 09/21/03
>
> Time: 02:22:43 PM PST US
> From: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@rocketjet.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II Questions
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@rocketjet.net>
>
> Al,
>
> Regarding dihedral, Homer told me he put in the small amount of dihedral
> just because people thought it looked better. From that, I would assume it
> is not necessary.
>
> Richard Swiderski
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| Subject: | Re: Kill Devil Hills (FAA) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
Hey all,
John, you mention Milledgeville - that's about 400 of the 645 nm from
Sundance Farms (FD20) to Chesnut Knolls, and I was thinking I'd RON
thereabouts. Is that Baldwin County (MLJ) or Monroe (D73) or another field
you're talking about, and would y'all recommend one as a good place to plan
a stop? I'll be starting out Friday the 26, and hope to make it to Chesnut
Knolls Saturday.
Thanks,
Duncan McBride
Mk III, 319DM
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kill Devil Hills (FAA)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Gang:
>
> Talked to FSS Anniston a minute ago. FFA is open.
>
> Haven't heard from the other members of the Flight To London
> Via Kitty Hawk Gaggle in the last day or so. As far as I
> know, the flight is still on. I am expecting John
> Williamson, John Bickham, and Gary Haley, to arrive Wetumpka
> (08A) tomorrow afternoon. We plan to depart 08A for parts
> east at 0730, 24 Sep. Meet Kip Laurie at Milledgeville, GA,
> Howard "Shack" Shackleford at Trenton, SC, and Steven
> Green at Wallace, NC, where we plan to RON. Should arrive
> Chesnut Knolls Air Foundation morning of 26 Sep.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kill Devil Hills (FAA) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Duncan/All:
Either place looks good to me. Monroe is only one mile from
town and has cheaper fuel.
We are going into Baldwin Country.
Good luck on your flight. Looks like we are going to have
good weather.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Is that Baldwin County (MLJ) or Monroe (D73) or another field
> you're talking about, and would y'all recommend one as a
> good place to plan a stop?
> Thanks, Duncan McBride Mk III, 319DM
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| Subject: | Re: Copper State |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Dave,
I will be at Copperstate. I will be the Assistant Camp Host and so will
be hanging around the camping area. I understand they have moved the
ultralight area nearer to the camping area so that will be nice. My
Firestar is up for sale, along with it's trailer, so that's what I'll be
bringing.
AzDave
----- Original Message -----
From: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Copper State
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
>
> Dave, Tim gherkins and I will be there and hope to have the extra there
as well. are you going to attend?
> Uncle Craig
> Mk III extra 912 ULS
> Arizona
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Rains
> To: 'Kolb List'
> Subject: Kolb-List: Copper State
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
>
> Anyone planning on going to Copper State???
> do not archive
> Dave Rains
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax 377 teardown |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.L.Turner" <jimturner@mwt.net>
Anybody know what a typical 300 hour teardown costs on a Rotax 377? I know that
the crank and gaskets automatically get replaced, but are there any other parts
that get replaced regardless of wear?
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| Subject: | Rotax 377 teardown |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
Crankshafts are no longer available for that engine, but I would not
automatically replace a 377 crank at 300 hours. If no corrosion is present,
I would run a 377 to 600 hours before replacing the crank. Maybe that's why
they stopped making them. They were not selling any.
One of the reasons why I think the 377 and 447 (same crank) had a loner
lasting crankshaft was because they had a slit on either side of the rod for
lubrication to get to the bearing. The 503 and 582 only have one on one
side. However, I just did a 150 hour on a late model 447 and noticed that
they closed the rod completely on the newer 447's. Maybe they are trying to
reduce the life of the crankshaft so that they will sell more of them? I
don't know.
So really, since the crankshaft is not available, a complete overhaul on a
377 is impossible. However, you can probably count on $1000 to do new top
end and all the rest of the stuff including labor at any decent shop.
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of J.L.Turner
Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax 377 teardown
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.L.Turner" <jimturner@mwt.net>
Anybody know what a typical 300 hour teardown costs on a Rotax 377? I know
that the crank and gaskets automatically get replaced, but are there any
other parts that get replaced regardless of wear?
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
Dave and Will do you guys have a place to stay when you come to copper state? You
can stay with me I'll ride ya up en back.
Uncle Craig
mark III ex 912 ULS
Arizona
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi Kolbers
A plane with lots of dihedral may be more roll stable, but the Kolb is
100 times more fun to fly.
My old T-Bird had so much adverse yaw that if I gave it left stick (
control wheel ) and no rudder the nose would go to the right.
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Quinnesec, Upper Peninsula of Michigan
Do Not Archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Anyway I found a Used 1983 Factory building Kolb
Ultrastar in my back yard
in your back yard.... how lucky is that?
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? Also, there is zero
dihedral in the wing. I believe some builders prefer this. What are the
advantages or disadvantages? I have been flying ultralights for almost 20 years,
but they have all had a lot of dihedral built into the wings. Any imput would
be helpful.
Al Bumhoffer
Elkton,MI
on my firstset up i built as to the plans... when i put the plane in a bank, and
let go of the stick it would continue to roll in the direction of the bank,
when i rebuilt i doubeled the dihedrial and when put in a bank and let go
of the stick it stays where i put it.
the increased stability seems to reduce the work load on long trips... i could
not tell that there was any negitive results.
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boyd
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