---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/25/03: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:39 AM - Mark III seatbelts (Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious) 2. 06:15 AM - Re: Mark III seatbelts (Richard Pike) 3. 07:10 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/24/03 (Jeremy Casey) 4. 07:53 AM - Re: Mark III seatbelts (Jack & Louise Hart) 5. 09:08 AM - Re: Mark III seatbelts (jerb) 6. 09:26 AM - RAD intercom and ICOM A5 (Jon LaVasseur) 7. 10:17 AM - octane (from jbaker@telepath.com) (T Riddle) 8. 11:49 AM - Re: Copper State (Jim and Phyllis Hefner) 9. 01:53 PM - Dihedral/polyhedral (Mike Pierzina) 10. 02:36 PM - Re: RAD intercom and ICOM A5 (owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com) 11. 05:33 PM - Re: RAD intercom and ICOM A5 (bryan green) 12. 05:51 PM - flyin (Paul Petty) 13. 06:10 PM - Linda's Banana Split cake (Don Gherardini) 14. 07:37 PM - seat belts (Bob Bean) 15. 08:57 PM - Re: RAD intercom and ICOM A5 (herbgh@juno.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:56 AM PST US From: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III seatbelts --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" Kolbers, I'm not crazy about my 3 point seatbelts. They don't hold me at my hips where I prefer but are closer to my belly button. The discomfort comes with any turbulance because I come up off my seat. I've got quite a few hours in sailplanes so I don't mind the turbulance as long as I can stay in my seat. My 12 year old co-pilot-son, Kory, has been spared the experience of turbulance for just the same reason. We wait till the evening when things are nice and calm. The attach points seem to be part of the problem because I currently use the large tube behind the seats. I want my son to feel secure before I introduce him to mid day flying. Any one have a suggestion or two? Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious Tenacity Farm Campbellsburg, Kentucky http://msnmessenger-download.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:38 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III seatbelts --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Try attaching the outboard belt to a gear leg, and the inboard belt to the small diagonal tube that ties to the boom tube, and then run them under the smaller tube that the bottom corner of the seats attaches to. That will put them in the correct place over the hips. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 08:39 AM 9/25/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" > > >Kolbers, >I'm not crazy about my 3 point seatbelts. They don't hold me at my hips >where I prefer but are closer to my belly button. The discomfort comes with >any turbulance because I come up off my seat. I've got quite a few hours in >sailplanes so I don't mind the turbulance as long as I can stay in my seat. >My 12 year old co-pilot-son, Kory, has been spared the experience of >turbulance for just the same reason. We wait till the evening when things >are nice and calm. The attach points seem to be part of the problem because >I currently use the large tube behind the seats. I want my son to feel >secure before I introduce him to mid day flying. > >Any one have a suggestion or two? > >Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious >Tenacity Farm >Campbellsburg, Kentucky > >http://msnmessenger-download.com > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:46 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/24/03 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" Which is the definition of pre-ignition. Octane is only there to control detonation. Gasoline (C8 H17) does have, by its nature in blending, different molecular weights (mf) that also affect the heat of combustion (Qc). Gasoline with an mf of 113 and specific gravity of .702 at 60F has a Qc of 20,460 to 19,020 BTU/Lb mass, while a gasoline with mf of 126 and specific gravity of .739 at 60F has a Qc of 20,260 to 18,900 BTU/Lb mass. ( Taylor and Taylor, The Internal Combustion Engine, Int Textbook Co. Scranton PA, ed 1949, rev 1960 ). Keep in mind that this is pure gasoline without amendments like Iso- octane, Normal Octane, Normal Heptane, etc. and all the other compounds added to meet a manufacturer's specifications. The stoichiometric fuel-air ratio between the two is also slightly less ( .0670 and .0668, respectively). The heat of combustion (Qv) is less for gasolines with the higher specific gravity because of the rate of enthalpy from liquid to gaseous state. This rate may be related to, and affected by, brand specific blends and not just to the "gasoline" itself. Bottom line is that it's hard to tell what a fuel is going to do unless there is some baseline with which to compare it and stringent controls are observed to ensure apples-to-apples comparisons. But then, what do I know about it...... J.Baker Sounds like you know a good bit or are a real good BS'er... Answer this stupid question... Mr. Hauck mentioned the other day that the Rotax engines would run fine on 87 octane gas as opposed to the "good stuff"..got me wondering and I looked it up. (Was one of those things that I took for granted 'cause everyone else was running the 92+ octane stuff....) Sure 'nuff the Rotax manual says 90 RON min. Now I've seen on the pumps around here that they have a sticker that says something akin to "octane rating derived from (RON + MON)/2 method...how would a smuck like me find out if that RON in any particular gas was a 90 min.??? Jeremy Casey jrcasey@ldl.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:12 AM PST US From: Jack & Louise Hart Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III seatbelts --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart At 08:39 AM 9/25/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" > >Kolbers, >I'm not crazy about my 3 point seatbelts. They don't hold me at my hips >where I prefer but are closer to my belly button. The discomfort comes with >any turbulance because I come up off my seat. I've got quite a few hours in >sailplanes so I don't mind the turbulance as long as I can stay in my seat. >My 12 year old co-pilot-son, Kory, has been spared the experience of >turbulance for just the same reason. We wait till the evening when things >are nice and calm. The attach points seem to be part of the problem because >I currently use the large tube behind the seats. I want my son to feel >secure before I introduce him to mid day flying. > >Any one have a suggestion or two? > >Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious >Tenacity Farm >Campbellsburg, Kentucky > Bob, I had the same problem. I used to fly sail planes and if my back comes off the seat in the FireFly, I get uncomfortable. I prefer a five point belt. The double shoulder straps keep my back against the seat, and the strap down between the legs keeps the lap belt were it should be. I have been criticized for my belt system being too light, but so far it has kept me in my seat with no problems. If you are interested, you can see it at: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly78.html Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO Jack & Louise Hart jbhart@ldd.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:19 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III seatbelts --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Jack, Went to your site. Am I correct the shoulder straps are secured using a couple radiator clamps? That's not good if that's the case. Even in a moderate crash/sudden stop, there is far more force involved that most people realize. Belts just them selves will stretch inches. jerb At 09:41 AM 9/25/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart > >At 08:39 AM 9/25/03 -0400, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" > > > > >Kolbers, > >I'm not crazy about my 3 point seatbelts. They don't hold me at my hips > >where I prefer but are closer to my belly button. The discomfort comes > with > >any turbulance because I come up off my seat. I've got quite a few > hours in > >sailplanes so I don't mind the turbulance as long as I can stay in my > seat. > >My 12 year old co-pilot-son, Kory, has been spared the experience of > >turbulance for just the same reason. We wait till the evening when things > >are nice and calm. The attach points seem to be part of the problem > because > >I currently use the large tube behind the seats. I want my son to feel > >secure before I introduce him to mid day flying. > > > >Any one have a suggestion or two? > > > >Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious > >Tenacity Farm > >Campbellsburg, Kentucky > > > >Bob, > >I had the same problem. I used to fly sail planes and if my back comes >off the seat in the FireFly, I get uncomfortable. I prefer a five point >belt. The double shoulder straps keep my back against the seat, and the >strap down between the legs keeps the lap belt were it should be. > >I have been criticized for my belt system being too light, but so far it >has kept me in my seat with no problems. If you are interested, you can >see it at: > >http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly78.html > >Jack B. Hart FF004 >Jackson, MO > > >Jack & Louise Hart >jbhart@ldd.net > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:03 AM PST US From: Jon LaVasseur Subject: Kolb-List: RAD intercom and ICOM A5 --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jon LaVasseur Hi Group, I am trying to setup a RAD intercom with an ICOM A5 radio in a FirestarII with 503,CDI ignition. I have a nearly perfectly tuned external antenna and can power the equipment with their own batteries or engine power. The system seems to work fine electronically but when the engine is running I can't get out a receivable transmission. The ambient engine sound nearly completely overpowers the mike and the receiver hears a lot of engine and a little voice. Does anyone have experience with this equipment and or have any suggestions of how do adjust it to work acceptably? Thanks for any help. __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:15 AM PST US From: "T Riddle" <84fs377@buffalo.com> Subject: Kolb-List: octane (from jbaker@telepath.com) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "T Riddle" <84fs377@buffalo.com> That is some impressive sounding data, intended I presume to impress us with your specialized knowledge in this area, but sadly lacking in useful information for this group. It seems to me that the closest you came to answering the question was when you referred to the "effective" compression ratio of 7:1 or less. Although you did come right out and say it, this could be interpreted by the group to mean low octane fuel works well in these 2-strokes of ours. The effective compression ratio is indeed what made me decide to use 87 octane auto fuel from day one in both 2-stroke Rotax engines I've owned, with absolutely no deleterious effects whatsoever. One was a 582 in a Zenith 701 and now the 377 in a 84 FS. 84fs377@buffalo.com retired mechanical engineer FAA Powerplant mechanic do not archive -- http://www.Buffalo.com , WNY's #1 Website ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:26 AM PST US From: "Jim and Phyllis Hefner" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Copper State --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim and Phyllis Hefner" Dave, others planning to attend CuState, I'm planning to fly-in again this year on Friday, camp overnight and head back to Tuson after the airshow Saturday. Hope to see several of youfrom the list there again this year. Jim Hefner FF#022 Tucson, AZ Time: 03:47:24 AM PST US From: Dave Rains rr@htg.net Subject: Kolb-List: Copper State -- Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains rr@htg.net Anyone planning on going to Copper State??? do not archive Dave Rains p now! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:02 PM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Dihedral/polyhedral --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Hey Guys, I got it from a RC glider that I built....The first Angle in the wing is called dihedral and the second angle toward the tips is called polyhedral......like you guys said "many" .....like Ralp says, it's added stability. Class is over...everybody back to work on those planes... Gotta Fly...Mike in MN SNIP>>>>>> From: "Edward Chmielewski" Mike/Kolbers, I think poly is 'many', and hedral is 'angle'. Who's got their Latin dictionary? Topher? Got a minute? Ed in JXN MkII/503 Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:01 PM PST US From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RAD intercom and ICOM A5 --> Kolb-List message posted by: Hello Jon. Are you using the noise cancelling microphone headset from RAD? It sounds like the microphone is picking up all the surround noise from the cockpit and transmitting it with your voice. Regards, Johann G. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jon LaVasseur > > Hi Group, > > I am trying to setup a RAD intercom with an ICOM A5 > radio in a FirestarII with 503,CDI ignition. I have a > nearly perfectly tuned external antenna and can power > the equipment with their own batteries or engine > power. > > The system seems to work fine electronically but when > the engine is running I can't get out a receivable > transmission. The ambient engine sound nearly > completely overpowers the mike and the receiver hears > a lot of engine and a little voice. > > Does anyone have experience with this equipment and or > have any suggestions of how do adjust it to work > acceptably? > > Thanks for any help. > > __________________________________ > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:38 PM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RAD intercom and ICOM A5 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" Call RAD. do not archive Bryan Green (Elgin SC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon LaVasseur" Subject: Kolb-List: RAD intercom and ICOM A5 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jon LaVasseur > > Hi Group, > > I am trying to setup a RAD intercom with an ICOM A5 > radio in a FirestarII with 503,CDI ignition. I have a > nearly perfectly tuned external antenna and can power > the equipment with their own batteries or engine > power. > > The system seems to work fine electronically but when > the engine is running I can't get out a receivable > transmission. The ambient engine sound nearly > completely overpowers the mike and the receiver hears > a lot of engine and a little voice. > > Does anyone have experience with this equipment and or > have any suggestions of how do adjust it to work > acceptably? > > Thanks for any help. > > __________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:13 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: flyin --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Kolbers, Punching out at 0500 for the factory fly in. Hope to see as many as possible. do not archive pp ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:16 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Kolb-List: Linda's Banana Split cake --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Well men...I hope you all have a great time without me..(grrrrrrrrrrrr) down in London, Ky. With less than 20 hours on the FireFly..and a short range..I just cant bring myself to dare the trip..IT's about to Kill me tho just thinking of all you turds enjoying Lindas banana split cake without me. The hangar flyin' and the real stuff too taking off a that bald knob in the middle of the Ky Timber country . I will be doing a 4 leg crosscountry this sat tho..with the longest leg of 68 miles, and best of all..a fly-in at every destination...the WACO fly-in at Shelby cnty ap...a flea-market fly-in at Percival Springs AP..and for supper a BBQ chicken fly-in an feed at Hilvety's feild...then home to Tommys airpark...should be a gas..and Ill be thinking about all you guys down in ky . Ill be there next year! Hope to either have a trailer by then...or a bigger plane to travel in! Blue skies men! http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Don Gherardini- FireFly 098 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:22 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Kolb-List: seat belts --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean stay-at-home Kolbers, although satisfied with my Y-harness setups I do have to admit that where it crosses my gut, if I eat too many beans beforehand it can feel a bit snug... In addition I can't reach the trim lever, so I'm experimenting a notch at a time.- BB, MkIII, giving it a break for a bit...carb jets coming in the mail. do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RAD intercom and ICOM A5 From: herbgh@juno.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com Jon some radio's have to be programmed to turn off the internal mike! Might give it a check. fwiw. Herb On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Jon LaVasseur writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jon LaVasseur > > > Hi Group, > > I am trying to setup a RAD intercom with an ICOM A5 > radio in a FirestarII with 503,CDI ignition. I have a > nearly perfectly tuned external antenna and can power > the equipment with their own batteries or engine > power. > > The system seems to work fine electronically but when > the engine is running I can't get out a receivable > transmission. The ambient engine sound nearly > completely overpowers the mike and the receiver hears > a lot of engine and a little voice. > > Does anyone have experience with this equipment and or > have any suggestions of how do adjust it to work > acceptably? > > Thanks for any help. > > __________________________________ > > > = > = > http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report > = > = > > > > > >