---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/30/03: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:09 AM - Re: Kolb list Fly-In (Airgriff2@aol.com) 2. 06:59 AM - Re: old firestar (possums) 3. 07:12 AM - Re: COPPERSTATE (abbygirlk9) 4. 07:29 AM - 8JulietBravo - Safely home from TNK Fly-in (BICUM@aol.com) 5. 07:29 AM - Warning - Old 912 Titan Exhaust with Spark Arrestor! (BICUM@aol.com) 6. 07:48 AM - Re: Understanding (Larry Bourne) 7. 07:56 AM - Re: 8JulietBravo - Safely home from TNK Fly-in (John Hauck) 8. 08:28 AM - Re: Understanding (John Hauck) 9. 08:36 AM - Re: no chrome (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 10. 10:10 AM - Re: Warning - Old 912 Titan Exhaust with Spark Arrestor! (Ian Heritch) 11. 10:42 AM - Re: Warning - Old 912 Titan Exhaust with Spark Arrestor! (John Hauck) 12. 11:29 AM - Re: no chrome (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM) 13. 11:46 AM - Re: no chrome (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM) 14. 11:53 AM - chrome (Paul Petty) 15. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: no chrome (Paul Petty) 16. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: no chrome (Bob Bean) 17. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: no chrome (Jack & Louise Hart) 18. 01:24 PM - Re:chroming parts (Richard Pike) 19. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: no chrome (Cy Galley) 20. 01:33 PM - control interferences (John Hauck) 21. 04:07 PM - spraychrome (Paul Petty) 22. 04:17 PM - HVLP paint sprayer (tim WARLICK) 23. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: no chrome (Larry Bourne) 24. 04:53 PM - Re: Re:chroming parts (Larry Bourne) 25. 05:01 PM - Re: HVLP paint sprayer (ron wehba) 26. 05:31 PM - Re: control interferences (Bob Bean) 27. 05:36 PM - Ultrastar Gear collapsed -HELP (David & Maria Lumgair) 28. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: no chrome (Bob Bean) 29. 07:40 PM - Re: Re:chroming parts (Richard Pike) 30. 10:40 PM - Traveling (Larry Bourne) 31. 10:41 PM - Re: old firestar (george murphy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:46 AM PST US From: Airgriff2@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb list Fly-In --> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com For ones who could'nt make the fly-in, it was a great time! Even with rain starting early Sat morning , it cleared to allow alot of flying. Seminars, food, entertainment, planes, people, facilities, outstanding! The only area where I think could be improved is, after a long drive or flight to get there (most arrive Fri. nite), we have a full day Saturday and then everyone heads out around noon Sunday. It almost seems like one full day of fun. If it was set up as a 3 day deal, we could have all day Fri. and Sat. (arrive Thur nite and leave Sun.? I learned (from John H) that if your tent has a full fly cover that covers the whole tent, there is a good chance you will wake up dry in the morning. I'm sure there will be more details on the fly-in on TNK's web site. Fly Safe Bob Griffin upstate NY ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:08 AM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: old firestar --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums Bill's back in town now. He's been gone for about 10 days. He has a swaging tool "press" now and can make his own wires. They are using stainless now instead of galvanized wire. Neal will be back on Thursday. You should just bring your wires sometime and make new ones. Bill said give him a call if you need any other parts - I would call Neal on Thursday. Stan ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:57 AM PST US From: "abbygirlk9" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: COPPERSTATE --> Kolb-List message posted by: "abbygirlk9" Anyone planning on going to Copper State??? .........snip...... do not archive Dave Rains Reply: Copperstate should be really good this year as this will be the 2nd year at a new location ....and they have been improving the facilities for another year now. The weather in mid-October is almost always nice in the Phoenix area although it may still be somewhat warm during the middle of the day (pray for overcast skies during the day and clear nights! -makes for a cooler day). I am planning on being there, probably on Friday, but I won't be flying in (yet) or hauling anything in. Tim & Uncle Craig from the Gilbert area (Phoenix) are planning on bringing the nearly complete Mk III Xtra ...and hooo-yeee what a plane!! The paint scheme & workmanship is excellent and will be quite a hit. I was over at the workshop on Saturday and helped them get the fuse tube and cage mated (and the 912) and a few other assembly items completed. This plane is a must-see. I hope that they are able to get the engine pod mounted as that is outstanding! So ya'll make it on out to Copperstate, you know that you will have fun. Stephen Feldmann Glendale, AZ FS II 60% done with another 80% to go! do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:08 AM PST US From: BICUM@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: 8JulietBravo - Safely home from TNK Fly-in --> Kolb-List message posted by: BICUM@aol.com Just wanted to let everyone know that I made it home yesterday (Monday -13:00). Just getting around to the computer. Had to "kiss the dog and pet the wife". If I didn't mention it - I had a lot of fun! I had a blast, even during my little incident. Special thanks to (in order of appearance): Gary "Where's my T-shirt" Haley, John "turn the jabaru to the sun for morning prayers" Williamson, John "two cups of coffee, land and catch up" Hauck, and Steven "my 2-stroke can match your 4-strokes" Green. I'm sure these guys have some nicknames for me but probably shouldn't post them. I enjoyed meeting everyone and flying together. This is a great group of guys and a real pleasure to be around. It was great to get the chance to travel with the likes and experience of John Hauck and John Williamson. This was a great trip and a lot of things happened along the way that were amazing and a real learning experience. Things I learned: 1) I packed too much food. These guys have an uncanny ability to get to restaurants, even 8 -10 miles away. 2) Don't need a whole bar of soap. Take a whole bar, cut in half, and throw one half over the right shoulder and the other half over the left shoulder. No need to carry the extra weight. 3) There are still a lot of good people in the world. People like: - Bill Griffin and James (who got up real early) and helped get us to and from Hauck's Holler. - Howard Shackleford and the Trenton Flyers who took time out and off of work to gives us a wonderful reception, treat us to lunch, and T-shirts. - the Moose Lodge member in Wallace, NC that drove us into town and waited while we ate and would not accept nothing in return. -Mr. Reggie and is wife Mrs. Patty for treating us to a wonderful seafood buffet dinner in Williamston, NC and taking me to the great aviation supply store - Wal-Mart, for needed repair supplies. 4) Spark arrestors on old Titan 912 exhaust systems are not a good thing. 5) 912's produce plenty of DC voltage if they are working right. 6) How to land in a lot of gusting wind - even if it is a couple of times. Coming back Sunday and Monday expanded my wind threshold. It was a blowing and gusting. Gave us good ground speed Monday. 7) Middle of the day mountain flying is not dull. 8) Wal-Mart bags make excellent galoshers and are super lightweight - courtesy of Steven Green. 9) Tools and toilet paper are good things to have. 10) Learned about formation flying. It is not as hard as the Blue Angels make it out to be. Especially learned that you have to quite concentrating on the guy in front of you when it is time to land. Did anybody get any pictures? 11) There are some beautiful places in this country and seeing them from the seat of a Kolb is a special thing. Just my trip stats. Total miles - 1892 NM / 2177 SM Flight time - 33.1 hours Average speed - 57 knots / 65.6 MPH Thanks to TNK for all their work and help at the fly-in. It was a pleasure meeting a lot of the faces that go with the names on the list. This was a great experience. John Bickham St. Francisville, LA Mark III - 912 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:08 AM PST US From: BICUM@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Warning - Old 912 Titan Exhaust with Spark Arrestor! --> Kolb-List message posted by: BICUM@aol.com Just in case I'm not the only one that didn't know this.................. If you have the old style titan exhaust for the 912 that has the spark arrestor on it you may want to consider replacing it. Mine let loose at around 205 hours and went through the prop. I was super lucky that the damage to the prop was minimal and there was no damage to the airframe or fabric surfaces. It was safety wired as a precaution and all that was left was the stud that holds it in place. It appears that the little shoulder in the stud and the hole it sits in had worn due to vibration just enough to just let go. It was fine prior to takeoff. It is part my pre-flight to give the exhaust system a tug and check for looseness. If this applies to you please take notice and replace. This could have been a horrible outcome. I was just lucky and had some guardian angels with me. Thanks, John Bickham St. Francisville, LA Mark III - 912 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:11 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Understanding --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Hmmm..............guess there's no better memories out there in Kolb-Land.............or maybe I'm being ignored, too......?? Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Understanding > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > Guess my name isn't John, but I sure do remember Ron's concerns with his > controls. As I recall, it had something to do with component interference > at full travel. Anyone out there with a better memory ?? Lar. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jerb" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Understanding > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > > > > John H, > > What do your know about any change being in the FireStar control design by > > Kolb. Is this true. Has Kolb made any change since and as a result of > > Ron's input? > > jerb > > > > > > At 05:45 PM 9/28/03 -0500, you wrote: > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary" > > > > > >I don't post much on this list anymore but I felt that I had to say > > >something. I understand Mikes frustration in his posts. I used to post > my > > >opinion on things that I thought would be of interest to Kolb builders. > > >After finding what I thought was a flaw in the control design of the new > > >FireStar and FireStar and could not get any one in Kolb to discuss it > with > > >me, I posted my concerns to this list. Many of you may remember this > > >subject. I was then threatened with legal action by Kolb as they said I > > >was guilty of slander so I shut up. They since have changed their > controls > > >to my design. Also after expressing an honest opinion different from the > > >resident guru of the list, and I am sure you know who this is, I was > > >threatened with physical violence. My opinion may also not be judged as > > >appropriate for the list but so be it. These are the things that kill > what > > >started off as a good thing for all. > > > > > >Ron Payne > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:14 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 8JulietBravo - Safely home from TNK Fly-in --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck John B/Gang: It does not get any better. For those that have not experienced cross country flight in a Kolb of a few days or more, you are missing one of life's great adventures. I am learning to fly with others after 19 years of cross country travel in Kolb aircraft ranging from the Ultrastar, Firestar, to the MK III. The fun of flying and living with people who are special, i.e., love building and flying little airplanes, can not be measured in dollars. We all had a great time, learned a lot, saw a lot of our beautiful country, met great folks on the ground, and discovered that there are a lot of really good people left in this country of ours. I got up Monday morning, after flying home from London Sunday afternoon, with the urge to get back in the MK III and continue my trip. It took about three days flying to get back in the groove of long hours and sleeping on the ground, but after that, I was ready to travel indefinitely. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:29 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Understanding --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Hmmm..............guess there's no better memories out there in > Kolb-Land.............or maybe I'm being ignored, too......?? > > Larry Bourne Larry/Gang: Uh oh! Now Larry's got his feelings hurt. Don't know what I am going to do with all the thin skinned varmits on the List. Guess I better get out there and find the List Guru for some guidance. Was sorry to hear that Ron Payne, the resident lurker, had been threatened with physical violence because he had disagreed with the resident Guru's ideas. Soon as we find out what a Guru is, maybe we can find out who the varmit is and where he hangs out. Sorry I do not remember anyone getting threatened with physical violence since I have been on the List, even though I have sometimes felt like it. Only kidding gang. :-) Emailing can be a difficult way to communicate at times. I got no response from the List when I asked the question: Has anyone heard of any accidents/incidents involving newer Firestars and control interference? I guess if someone wanted to go back into the archives, they could pull up all the info on Ron's problem. I think what turned off most folks to his problem was the way he went about solving it, i.e., going to the FAA with something that was not going to be solved by them and only muddied the water. Maybe he could have approached the good folks at Kolb in a slightly different manner too. Again, folks, this is only john h's personal opinion. Hopefully, folks won't get their feelings hurt and try to strangle me or something like that. If they do, they will have to come up to the GA, NC, TN, KY, and VA mountains to find me. I am loading up the Suzuki DRZ400E dirt bike, Nell's and my mountain bikes, hooking up the 5th wheel, and heading for the mountains on the east side of the country. Nell is not ready to do he big ones out west so soon after her stroke on the way to Alaska last year. Ya'll take care, play fair now, and love one another, john h PS: Waiting for all the lurkers out there to pounce on me when given the chance. :-) I love pouncing!!! hehehe ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:22 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: no chrome --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Just a word of caution. The people that designed your airplane had in mind strengths and weakness for everything in that plane. Be sure that when you make a change that you don't make that plane unsafe. I am not a aeronautical or structural engineer so I try to not fix things that aren't broken. There are many documented cases were people beefed up a aircraft to make it safer and caused problems by transferring a load to a weaker part. I for example safety wired a thumb screw that holds the top of my air cleaners on which was good but I wrapped the other end of the safety wire around a handy brass fuel fitting. After app. 50 hours of flight I removed the safety wire for maintenance and found that it was rubbing a groove thru the fuel line fitting. Another 50 hours and I would have been spraying fuel all over a hot engine and I wouldn't have known it was happening till? Be careful. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: no chrome > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Kolbers, > On the way back from the fly in and after many nudging me forward on the HD > engine project, my wheels were turning thinking of this becoming a reality. > Thinking or color schemes and a real performer, black and Harley orange > comes to mind. The parts I would like to have chrome plated would be the > tail post steel part, the aileron end's, the control rod's,,, basically all > steel parts that would be normally painted with the exception of the > fuselage and maybe even it. After reading the post for over a year and > viewing many photos of builders I'm wanting to clean up the surfaces around > the tail. Like instead of rivet's to attach the tail post to the boom tube, > why not counter sunk stainless screws. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:03 AM PST US From: "Ian Heritch" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Warning - Old 912 Titan Exhaust with Spark Arrestor! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" What's the spark arrestor look like? Ian Heritch San Antonio, Tx. Slingshot 912 ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: Warning - Old 912 Titan Exhaust with Spark Arrestor! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: BICUM@aol.com > > Just in case I'm not the only one that didn't know this.................. > > If you have the old style titan exhaust for the 912 that has the spark > arrestor on it you may want to consider replacing it. Mine let loose at around 205 > hours and went through the prop. I was super lucky that the damage to the > prop was minimal and there was no damage to the airframe or fabric surfaces. > > It was safety wired as a precaution and all that was left was the stud that > holds it in place. It appears that the little shoulder in the stud and the > hole it sits in had worn due to vibration just enough to just let go. It was > fine prior to takeoff. It is part my pre-flight to give the exhaust system a tug > and check for looseness. > > If this applies to you please take notice and replace. This could have been > a horrible outcome. I was just lucky and had some guardian angels with me. > > Thanks, > > John Bickham > St. Francisville, LA > Mark III - 912 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:26 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Warning - Old 912 Titan Exhaust with Spark Arrestor! --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Ian/Gang: It was a Super Trap Silencer, made up of numerous washers and wafers with cap and bolt/nut security. One end of bolt was "Z'd" and semi-secured in a cross piece inside the outlet of the stinger on the early Titan Exhaust System. I had one initially, but elected to ship it back and get the one I have now with a standard type silencer. John B was extremely lucky to survive the failure. Still do not understand how all those pieces were launched from the three IVO prop blades without hitting and damaging some part of the aircraft. I immediately nicknamed John B the "Miracle Man". john h Ian Heritch wrote: > What's the spark arrestor look like? > > Ian Heritch ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:07 AM PST US From: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: no chrome --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM "Paul Petty" wrote: << Kolbers, Any of you know why the FAA does not allow the chroming of aircraft parts? >> I have never heard of this restriction from the FAA. I chrome plated the 2-into-1 exhaust stacks on my Verner so it would sound more like a Harley. Works just fine! Dennis Kirby Mark-3, Verner, Powerfin Cedar Crest, NM do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:08 AM PST US From: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: no chrome --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM Paul Petty wrote: << I'm wanting to clean up the surfaces around the tail. Like instead of rivet's to attach the tail post to the boom tube, why not counter sunk stainless screws.>> Paul, and other intrepid Experimenters - I would think twice about countersinking rivets at the tail ring. You would be removing quite a bit of aluminum boom material to make the countersink dimples. It's possible that Homer intended the full thickness of the boom tube wall was necessary to withstand the shear forces imparted from those 24 (or so) rivets holding the tailring in place. You may unknowingly weaken this structurally crucial area. Stainless machine-head (domed) screws might look nice... Dennis Kirby Mark-3 New Mexico ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:58 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: chrome --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Kolbers, If I do decide to chrome plate some parts like maybe the aileron counterbalance's, would it keep me from getting a airworthy certificate? pp do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:34 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: no chrome --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Dennis, I am assuming that because the company I have used for years told me they can no longer plate aircraft parts. Said the FAA came to them and told them they must stop plating any aircraft parts. They may just be blowing smoke to get rid of me... pp do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: no chrome > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM > > "Paul Petty" wrote: > << Kolbers, Any of you know why the FAA does not allow the chroming of > aircraft parts? >> > > > I have never heard of this restriction from the FAA. > > I chrome plated the 2-into-1 exhaust stacks on my Verner so it would sound > more like a Harley. Works just fine! > > Dennis Kirby > Mark-3, Verner, Powerfin > Cedar Crest, NM > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:28 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: no chrome --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Just saying the word "airplane" causes the halts with a lot of suppliers. -You may not get a warm reception from Harley Davidson either. earlier subject: control interferences, I haven't hit the archives on it yet but I do have a contact between my right aileron horn and the flap rod, not within normal operating range but still doesn't look right. -BB Paul Petty wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > >Dennis, >I am assuming that because the company I have used for years told me they >can no longer plate aircraft parts. Said the FAA came to them and told them >they must stop plating any aircraft parts. They may just be blowing smoke to >get rid of me... > >pp >do not archive > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM" >To: >Subject: Kolb-List: Re: no chrome > > > > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM >> >> > > > >>"Paul Petty" wrote: >><< Kolbers, Any of you know why the FAA does not allow the chroming of >>aircraft parts? >> >> >> >>I have never heard of this restriction from the FAA. >> >>I chrome plated the 2-into-1 exhaust stacks on my Verner so it would sound >>more like a Harley. Works just fine! >> >>Dennis Kirby >>Mark-3, Verner, Powerfin >>Cedar Crest, NM >>do not archive >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:26 PM PST US From: Jack & Louise Hart Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: no chrome --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart At 02:00 PM 9/30/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > >Dennis, >I am assuming that because the company I have used for years told me they >can no longer plate aircraft parts. Said the FAA came to them and told them >they must stop plating any aircraft parts. They may just be blowing smoke to >get rid of me... > >pp >do not archive pp, They may be blowing you off because they are worried about liablility issues. I had a difficult time finding a machine shop that would make parts for me. Shop ownders would ask what the part was for, and if I told them, they would refuse the job. Finally, I found a hungry shop and when I was asked what it was for, I told them to just read the print and make the part. No problems since, and they have figured out what I am doing but we never talk about airplanes. It is kind of like "don't tell" and we can make you the parts, but if you do tell, we have to kick you out of the shop. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO Jack & Louise Hart jbhart@ldd.net ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:14 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Re:chroming parts --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Got me curious. Found some links on the subject, all are short. General info on hydrogen embrittlement. http://www.finishing.com/1800-1999/1943.html More & similar. http://www.nmfrc.org/crarchive/feb02a.cfm This one is especially pertinent to aircraft - http://www.vmplating.com/vm_plating.htm This one is NHRA official position on chroming highly stressed parts. http://www.vmplating.com/vm_plating.htm And this one is a bunch of plating engineers arguing about it, good stuff. http://www.eng-tips.com/gpviewthread.cfm/qid/64502/pid/2/lev2/3/lev3/29 Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 02:00 PM 9/30/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > >Dennis, >I am assuming that because the company I have used for years told me they >can no longer plate aircraft parts. Said the FAA came to them and told them >they must stop plating any aircraft parts. They may just be blowing smoke to >get rid of me... > >pp ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:43 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: no chrome --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" There are approved aircraft plating companies. The FAA has some weird rules to "protect" the public. Others have pointed out the hydrogen embrittlement problem which "approved" shops can overcome. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: no chrome > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Dennis, > I am assuming that because the company I have used for years told me they > can no longer plate aircraft parts. Said the FAA came to them and told them > they must stop plating any aircraft parts. They may just be blowing smoke to > get rid of me... > > pp > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM" > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: no chrome > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM > > > > > "Paul Petty" wrote: > > << Kolbers, Any of you know why the FAA does not allow the chroming of > > aircraft parts? >> > > > > > > I have never heard of this restriction from the FAA. > > > > I chrome plated the 2-into-1 exhaust stacks on my Verner so it would sound > > more like a Harley. Works just fine! > > > > Dennis Kirby > > Mark-3, Verner, Powerfin > > Cedar Crest, NM > > do not archive > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:03 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Kolb-List: control interferences --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > earlier subject: control interferences, I haven't hit the archives on it > yet but I do have > a contact between my right aileron horn and the flap rod, not within normal > operating range but still doesn't look right. -BB BB/Gang: How'd you do that? You are talking about the flap push/pull tube on the flap horn? On a MK III? First time I have heard of that problem. When does it hit? pitch mode? roll mode? or both? I'll have to take a look at mine and see how much clearance I have. I changed the subject to reflect "control interferences". john h ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:38 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: spraychrome --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Wow guys check what Jim Turner turned me onto. Any of you ever use this? www.spraychrome.com pp do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:42 PM PST US From: "tim WARLICK" Subject: Kolb-List: HVLP paint sprayer --> Kolb-List message posted by: "tim WARLICK" Learned a lot at the factory fly-in last weekend. Saw many good ideas on various airplanes and attended the fabric covering workshop. Brought back my fabric kit and am now ready to start covering my Mark 3. Any suggestions on how to find a low cost HVLP paint sprayer? Does anyone have one they want to sell? Tim Kolb Mark 3 Mobile, Alabama ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:43 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: no chrome --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I ran into the same thing with VW engine components, and finally became a liar - told them the parts were for an off-road vehicle. I guess a plane is certainly that, tho' they assumed I had a dune buggy. 'Course, now I do, but this was then. :-) Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack & Louise Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: no chrome > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart > > At 02:00 PM 9/30/03 -0500, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > > >Dennis, > >I am assuming that because the company I have used for years told me they > >can no longer plate aircraft parts. Said the FAA came to them and told them > >they must stop plating any aircraft parts. They may just be blowing smoke to > >get rid of me... > > > >pp > >do not archive > > pp, > > They may be blowing you off because they are worried about liablility issues. > > I had a difficult time finding a machine shop that would make parts for me. Shop ownders would ask what the part was for, and if I told them, they would refuse the job. Finally, I found a hungry shop and when I was asked what it was for, I told them to just read the print and make the part. No problems since, and they have figured out what I am doing but we never talk about airplanes. It is kind of like "don't tell" and we can make you the parts, but if you do tell, we have to kick you out of the shop. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Jackson, MO > > > Jack & Louise Hart > jbhart@ldd.net > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:17 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re:chroming parts --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Really good stuff, Richard. Thanks................... Kinda shows how much ya didn't know ya didn't know, eh ?? That NHRA link you listed is the same as the one above it. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Kolb-List: Re:chroming parts > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > Got me curious. > Found some links on the subject, all are short. > > General info on hydrogen embrittlement. > http://www.finishing.com/1800-1999/1943.html > > More & similar. > http://www.nmfrc.org/crarchive/feb02a.cfm > > This one is especially pertinent to aircraft - > http://www.vmplating.com/vm_plating.htm > > This one is NHRA official position on chroming highly stressed parts. > http://www.vmplating.com/vm_plating.htm > > And this one is a bunch of plating engineers arguing about it, good stuff. > http://www.eng-tips.com/gpviewthread.cfm/qid/64502/pid/2/lev2/3/lev3/29 > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > At 02:00 PM 9/30/03 -0500, you wrote: > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > > >Dennis, > >I am assuming that because the company I have used for years told me they > >can no longer plate aircraft parts. Said the FAA came to them and told them > >they must stop plating any aircraft parts. They may just be blowing smoke to > >get rid of me... > > > >pp > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:21 PM PST US From: "ron wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HVLP paint sprayer --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" just my opinion, but get a hvlp gravity feed from harbor frt. keep it clean it will work just fine.I use one in business, I build cabinets,furniture, and an occasional house or two. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tim WARLICK" Subject: Kolb-List: HVLP paint sprayer > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "tim WARLICK" > > Learned a lot at the factory fly-in last weekend. Saw many good ideas on various airplanes and attended the fabric covering workshop. Brought back my fabric kit and am now ready to start covering my Mark 3. Any suggestions on how to find a low cost HVLP paint sprayer? Does anyone have one they want to sell? > > Tim > Kolb Mark 3 > Mobile, Alabama > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:05 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: control interferences --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean John, come daylight I'll get some details......nothing is bent anywhere but one side hits and the udder doesn't. Reason I noticed is when I park it back in the shed the right side controls sit on a pile of crap (ask Lar :) ) and they sit in the "up" position. Took some measurements for my version of the upper center section. Most likely cut a template out of cardboard or scrap laminate. Might help lift a bit if there isn't so much air slipping through the gaps. -bout ready to hook it to the old Massey-Harris and tow it back to the dungeon. Looking and feeling wintry here already. -BB John Hauck wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > > > >>earlier subject: control interferences, I haven't hit the archives on it >>yet but I do have >>a contact between my right aileron horn and the flap rod, not within normal >>operating range but still doesn't look right. -BB >> >> > >BB/Gang: > >How'd you do that? > >You are talking about the flap push/pull tube on the flap horn? > >On a MK III? > >First time I have heard of that problem. > >When does it hit? pitch mode? roll mode? or both? > >I'll have to take a look at mine and see how much clearance >I have. > >I changed the subject to reflect "control interferences". > >john h > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:34 PM PST US From: "David & Maria Lumgair" Subject: Kolb-List: Ultrastar Gear collapsed -HELP --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" Well list - after a thorough inspection the ultrastar set out for the stars today after a number of crow hops and excellent results my buddy took to the skies - I am proud to report that the engine ran flawlessly (that was my department)... After about 10 minutes of flight he came in for landing - looked really good but the left gear leg collapsed on rollout. LUCKILY the gear was the only damage - the main tube bent right in the middle (collapsed inward) and the wheel folded. Nobody hurt - not even a scratch. The cross brace and the forward "strut" were also tweaked - The only thing I can figure is that it has been going for a while and finally gave - the landing wasn't a greaser but it was pretty smooth - I've seen much worse and the gear didn't budge on other Kolbs. He didn't even bounce it.. NOW FOR MY PROBLEM - Since "The New Kolb" didn't buy rights to the ultrastar where do we get parts? Does anyone on the list know about the spring aluminum gear mod? Or even know the specs for the tubing to build the original gear again and where to get it? Help - that thing looks like a blast! And even with the collapse my buddy is still grinning..... Thank you - Dave ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:25 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: no chrome --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Paul Petty wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > >Dennis, >I am assuming that because the company I have used for years told me they >can no longer plate aircraft parts. Said the FAA came to them and told them >they must stop plating any aircraft parts. They may just be blowing smoke to >get rid of me... > >-And how about those chrome jugs...ahhh, the irony. -BB do not archive > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:47 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re:chroming parts --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Oops, messed up. This is the one I wanted there: http://www.nhra.com/dragster/1999/issue37/racing_technology.html Thanks. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 04:53 PM 9/30/03 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > >Really good stuff, Richard. Thanks................... Kinda shows how much >ya didn't know ya didn't know, eh ?? That NHRA link you listed is the same >as the one above it. Lar. Do not Archive. > >Larry Bourne >Palm Springs, CA >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB >www.gogittum.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Pike" >To: >Subject: Kolb-List: Re:chroming parts > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > > > Got me curious. > > Found some links on the subject, all are short. > > > > General info on hydrogen embrittlement. > > http://www.finishing.com/1800-1999/1943.html > > > > More & similar. > > http://www.nmfrc.org/crarchive/feb02a.cfm > > > > This one is especially pertinent to aircraft - > > http://www.vmplating.com/vm_plating.htm > > > > This one is NHRA official position on chroming highly stressed parts. > > http://www.vmplating.com/vm_plating.htm > > > > And this one is a bunch of plating engineers arguing about it, good stuff. > > http://www.eng-tips.com/gpviewthread.cfm/qid/64502/pid/2/lev2/3/lev3/29 > > > > Richard Pike > > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > At 02:00 PM 9/30/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > > > > >Dennis, > > >I am assuming that because the company I have used for years told me they > > >can no longer plate aircraft parts. Said the FAA came to them and told >them > > >they must stop plating any aircraft parts. They may just be blowing smoke >to > > >get rid of me... > > > > > >pp > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:04 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: Traveling --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" After the Monument Valley meeting last May, someone mentioned that it'd be neat to fly the Grand Canyon area - paying proper attention to the rules and regs for that very restricted airspace, of course. Last weekend, I took the truck and camper up to the North Rim of the Grand Canyon for a good look-see, and was very pleased. There are more little hole-in-the-wall airstrips than I'd thought, plus a lot of roads that would be land-able. Ground transportation would be a little iffy, and we'd hafta work out something in advance. The scenery.............well, it's very worth it. Possibly this could be a destination for next year ?? Of course, I built a web page on the trip..........take a look at: http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/travelling.html , and go to "Weekends," then click "Grand Canyon - North Rim." Sure is a perty place, and the idea of flying there makes my mouth water. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:52 PM PST US From: george murphy Subject: RE: Kolb-List: old firestar --> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy Stan, I appreciate the info on Bills' return was starting to think Bill had just turned invisible. I drove to the Kolb Fly-In to get some parts for the Ole Firestar and to steal their best Ideas. The new Kolbs have sure changed a lot. I met up with John Hauck and he told me a few things to change about the wing bracing and a few other good ideas so I got me a bunch of tubes and rivets to start with. I finally got all the fabric and related stuff to start recovering as soon as I find time to do the other repairs to the wings. It was tooooo windy, cloudy and rainy for most sane pilots to show up at the Fly-In, so the crowd was sorta small. I will give Bill a call and ship him the tail wires so he can make me up a new set. Hope to have this thing flyable and may be able to meet up with you guys. I saw your new seat on the Kolb list, it looks sharp. --- I want to make the Ole Firestar a bit wider and give it a new nose. I thought about using one of those Kolbra nose cones and building the cage to match up with it. Got any ideas on nose-jobs? See ya, George -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: old firestar --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums Bill's back in town now. He's been gone for about 10 days. He has a swaging tool "press" now and can make his own wires. They are using stainless now instead of galvanized wire. Neal will be back on Thursday. You should just bring your wires sometime and make new ones. Bill said give him a call if you need any other parts - I would call Neal on Thursday. Stan