Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:50 AM - Wanna-be new Kolber (Guy Morgan)
2. 07:46 AM - Re: Traveling (Larry Bourne)
3. 10:17 AM - goof #2 (Paul Petty)
4. 11:12 AM - Re: goof #2 (John Hauck)
5. 12:46 PM - control interference (cont.) (Bob Bean)
6. 01:30 PM - Re: control interference (cont.) (John Hauck)
7. 02:29 PM - Re: control interferences (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
8. 02:50 PM - Re: goof #2 (Woody)
9. 02:52 PM - instruments? (Bob N.)
10. 03:01 PM - Re: Wanna-be new Kolber (Woody)
11. 04:15 PM - 8JB Making Volts - Getting ready for next time (BICUM@aol.com)
12. 04:19 PM - inside covering (Paul Petty)
13. 04:19 PM - Fall Fly-In (Bob N.)
14. 04:47 PM - Re: instruments? (Don Gherardini)
15. 04:50 PM - Re: 8JB Making Volts - Getting ready for next time (John Hauck)
16. 04:56 PM - Re: instruments? (Bob N.)
17. 05:10 PM - Kitty Hawk/TNK Fly-In (John Williamson)
18. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: control interferences (SGreenpg@aol.com)
19. 05:37 PM - control interference (Bob Bean)
20. 05:38 PM - Re: inside covering (Richard Pike)
21. 05:44 PM - Re: old firestar (RW603@aol.com)
22. 05:53 PM - Re: inside covering (Ian Heritch)
23. 06:11 PM - Re: goof #2 (Larry Bourne)
24. 06:14 PM - Re: inside covering (John Hauck)
25. 06:16 PM - Re: inside covering (Larry Bourne)
26. 06:18 PM - Re: Wanna-be new Kolber (Larry Bourne)
27. 06:39 PM - Re: goof #2 (John Hauck)
28. 06:40 PM - Heat treating 4130 landing gear/ (Eugene Zimmerman)
29. 06:53 PM - LCD Compass (Jimmy)
30. 06:54 PM - Firestar near Green Bay (Jon Croke)
31. 07:09 PM - Re: goof #2 (Larry Bourne)
32. 07:10 PM - Re: inside covering (Ian Heritch)
33. 07:28 PM - LCD Compass (Jimmy)
34. 08:50 PM - [ Possum ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
35. 09:01 PM - Re: LCD Compass (Bob N.)
36. 09:06 PM - Re: Heat treating 4130 landing gear/ (Larry Bourne)
37. 09:53 PM - Re: Re: control interferences ()
38. 10:00 PM - Re: inside covering ()
39. 10:16 PM - Re: Wanna-be new Kolber ()
40. 11:03 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
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| Subject: | Wanna-be new Kolber |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Howdy folks. I'm currently taking lessons (I'm on #7) in a Challenger II in Angleton,
TX. I've been looking at planes for a while and I've decided to go with
a Kolb Mk II or Mk III (used.) Is a Kolb a good choice for a new pilot? I've
read some posts here stating that Kolbs are, how do I put it, a little more unforgiving
than some other designs. On the other hand, I've read lots of good things
about Kolbs too, such as climb rate, folding wings, etc. One last concern;
how difficult is it to transition from tricycle gear to a tail dragger, me
being a newbie and all? I am not new to aviation. I was an AT in the Navy for
7 years and have been working as an AP and avionics tech for a helicopter company
here in Galveston for the last 4 1/2 years. I went for an intro flight a couple
of months ago and instantly became obsessed with U/L's. Thanks for any input.
Guy Morgan
--Eat one live toad first thing in the morning and nothing worse will happen to
you the rest of the day.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Got to thinking about this, later last night, and realized that the toughest
nut in the idea is accomodations. There is nothing at Tuweep except a
primitive campground, and at North Rim reservations have to be made far in
advance, for campgrounds, or hotel. I dunno.............any suggestions ??
Guess I'm spoiled by the excellent facilities at Goulding's in Monument
Valley. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Traveling
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> After the Monument Valley meeting last May, someone mentioned that it'd be
neat to fly the Grand Canyon area - paying proper attention to the rules and
regs for that very restricted airspace, of course. Last weekend, I took
the truck and camper up to the North Rim of the Grand Canyon for a good
look-see, and was very pleased. There are more little hole-in-the-wall
airstrips than I'd thought, plus a lot of roads that would be land-able.
Ground transportation would be a little iffy, and we'd hafta work out
something in advance. The scenery.............well, it's very worth it.
Possibly this could be a destination for next year ?? Of course, I built a
web page on the trip..........take a look at:
http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/travelling.html , and go to "Weekends,"
then click "Grand Canyon - North Rim." Sure is a perty place, and the idea
of flying there makes my mouth water. Lar.
Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Well folks I finished the other horz. stab. last night and proudly hung them on
the wall to admire. In my admiration of the completed parts,(well almost complete)
I noticed I had forgot to install the inner support tube in the trailing
edge tube. RAT'S..... oh well no biggie I'm already getting pretty good at drilling
out rivets and redo.
pp
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Well folks I finished the other horz. stab. last night
> and proudly hung them on the wall to admire.
> I'm already getting pretty good at drilling out rivets
> and redo.
>
> pp
pp/All:
Hang in there.
Might be a good idea to fill all those "uh oh" holes with
rivets, unless they are in a position to displace/disrupt
proper fit of other tubing and gussets.
Heading for the hills this afternoon,
john h
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| Subject: | control interference (cont.) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
After another look, when in full right stick deflection the aileron
crank arm does contact
the flap rod. -flaps in full up position. I could drill out the rivets,
saw a bit off the tube,
and re-rivet one extra circle in, however the rivet spacing doesn't
appear quite uniform
enough to make the one space displacement feasible. Since this happens
at a further
deflection than is even permissable left stick, by virtue of the center
stick travel
differential. (hits stuff eventually) I don't see it warranting a red X
in the forms.
-yet I shall no doubt be mulling it over. I can't claim responsibility
for building
that part although can't say it wouldn't have been done the same way had
I done it.
You'd never know til you bolted it all together. -BB do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: control interference (cont.) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> After another look, when in full right stick deflection the aileron
> crank arm does contact
> the flap rod. -flaps in full up position. -BB
Bob/All:
Get in the aircraft, if you haven't already tried this, move
the stick full right with your leg now in the way, and have
someone check to see if you still have interference.
Usually, full travel while not in the seat does not equal
full travel while seated.
However, I don't know if you have a center stick or dual
controls in your MK III. That would also have a bearing on
the problem.
Take care,
john h
PS: Discussion of this nature should probably be archived
for future reference.
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| Subject: | Re: control interferences |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
BB wrote:
<< earlier subject: control interferences, I haven't hit the archives on it
yet but I do have a contact between my right aileron horn and the flap rod,
not within normal operating range but still doesn't look right. -BB >>
then John Hauck wrote:
<<BB/Gang:
How'd you do that?
You are talking about the flap push/pull tube on the flap horn?
On a MK III?
First time I have heard of that problem.
When does it hit? pitch mode? roll mode? or both? >>
John, BB, and Kolbers -
On my 1997 Mark-3 Classic, I'm also experiencing the aileron control
horn/flap rod interference that Bob Bean describes. Happens at full side
stick deflection - the aileron horn contacts the flap push-pull rod. Did
not notice the interference until the airplane was finished. Built exactly
to plans - no mods here. It appears that if I would slam the control stick
to the side hard enough, the two intefering parts could bind up on each
other, causing a control lockup. That would be bad. I hope I should not
have to make such extreme control movements in normal flight, but ... one
never knows. I've not yet come up with a fix.
Anybody else seen this on their Mark-3s?
Dennis Kirby
Verner, Powerfin-72 in
Cedar Crest, NM
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
. oh well no biggie I'm already getting pretty good at drilling out rivets
and redo.
>
> pp
And you will only get better.
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Costco/priceclub has a kinda neat little box for $49.95.
Has an electonic compass, thermometer, barometer, and altimeter, push button-selectable
Good sized LCD, runs from internal batts, or from cig lighter (12v) with
cable included.
Be the first on yer field/strip/patch to have one.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: Wanna-be new Kolber |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
a little more unforgiving than some other designs.
??? I don't know what you are talking about. The Kolbs do what you tell
them.
One last concern; how difficult is it to transition from tricycle gear to a
tail dragger, me being a newbie and all?
Being a tail dragger is almost a non issue. Your tail wheel will be up in
under 50 ft and 20 Mph or less. Not a lot of time to have something go
wrong. You are probbably used to balancing the challenger on its mains
before flying and this is no different. ( In my humble opinion)
Good luck in your research on Kolbs. I am sure you will be happy owning
one of these fine machines.
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| Subject: | 8JB Making Volts - Getting ready for next time |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: BICUM@aol.com
For all those that helped with my voltage regulator problem..............
It is officially fixed. The 912 is making 14 volts like it is supposed to.
I went out to the airport today and dug in.
Pulled the instrument panel and checked everything back there. All OK.
Increased the wire gauge on yellow leads from generator to the regulator from
18 to 14 gauge.
Stuck a little roll of sandpaper behind flywheel and turned the engine over
by hand a few times. Kinda had a bit of corrosion on magnets.
That is all I did. Cranked the thing and it put out 14 volts right away.
Doesn't even drift with the strobes on. Not sure if it was the wire gauge or
the light cleaning of the magnets. Don't care, it works.
No more battery problems.............
I'll be ready to run with da big dogs again!
Thanks & be careful,
John Bickham
St. Francisville, LA
Kolb Mark III Classic - 912
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
I noticed that Jim W. covered the inside of the cage of his kolbra. If I didn't
go this route, how do you paint the back side of the fabric? Is it smooth enough
for a paint finish?
pp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
EAA ch 186 will hold their Fall Fly-In at Winchester (VA) Regional
Airport (OKV) Oct 4&5
N39-08.61 W078.08.66
Pancake Breakfast rain or shine 8-11AM.
Aircraft judging, Fly-market, Demos, Kids' activities, C-54 static display.
www.eaa186.org or eaa186@yahoo. com
AWOS 124.85 Unicom 122.7 Ground 121.75
Both Winchester and EAA186 are very UL-friendly
When I'm not busy answering damnfool questions (zat thang fly?) or
selling my books, I can haul mogas.
Look for the white FireFly with red LEs.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: instruments? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Bob, Im looking at the costco.com site..I cant find the gizmo....I must not
be at the right place..can you tell us just zactly where it is?
do not archive
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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| Subject: | Re: 8JB Making Volts - Getting ready for next time |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
John B/All:
Glad you corrected the problem, what ever it was. :-)
john h
PS: I am ready to go, anytime!!!
> For all those that helped with my voltage regulator
> problem..............
>
> It is officially fixed. The 912 is making 14 volts like
> it is supposed to.
> John Bickham
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: instruments? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Don,
It's right in the store abt 2/3 way to meat sect-past the print carts.
etc--if all stores are alike(?) May not be in their web cat. yet, or
maybe just the Winchester VA store? I'll ask them tomorrow. Can try for
a quick photo???
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Kitty Hawk/TNK Fly-In |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
To the whole Kolb Family,
I arrived back in Arlington at 1145 this morning with no major problems. I have
taken my time to get back on the list while I read all the fine comments about
our flight, the Fly-In (which is now called a Homecoming) and all the great
folks building and flying these fantastic machines. All but one member of our
flight has checked back in on the list and I just talked to his wife. Gary is
having fun fishing in Arkansas.
First I want to apologize for missing the lunch with the Trenton Flyers. No excuses
here, I should have stopped and now regret that I didn't.
John H has sent me several photos already and I would love to receive more from
our flight members and folks on the ground at Chesnut Knoll.
I will update my website as soon as possible and send a post when that has happened.
By the way, I had more fun on this trip than what is probably legal. Thanks John
H, John B, Steven G and Gary H.
Stats for this trip:2419.3 nautical miles (2784.1 statute miles).
Total flight time: 38 hours 14 minutes
Average speed: 63.3 kts (72.8 mph)
Fuel burned: 141.7 gallons
Miles per gallon: 19.64
Number of landings: 21
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 487 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: control interferences |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com
In a message dated 10/1/03 5:30:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil writes:
> Anybody else seen this on their Mark-3s?
>
Yes.
I put stops on the rear of the aileron torque tube to limit the travel.
Steven G.
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| Subject: | control interference |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
I found some enlightenment (still a heathern though :) ) in an old Kolb
illustration,
copyright dec 1990, page 7, rev 0. Dennis Souder.
It shows a "steel strip on rear cage fairing" - aileron stop, form an L
bracket
from .032" aluminum and rivet to steel strip.
"crank should rotate approx 35 deg each direction - for a total rotation
of 70 deg"
That does some explaining, I'll put a protractor on mine and see what
the travel is
unfettered with stops. Since my plane and few others have that fairing
a good
stop location would have to be figured.
Mr. Pike's hole relocation method would also be a factor if used. -BB, MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: inside covering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
If you don't cover the inside of the cage, you will find that it makes
wonderful corners for accumulating dirt. Lots of corners, lots of dirt. I
covered most of the inside of my cage, I wish now I'd covered all of it.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 06:22 PM 10/1/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
>Kolbers,
>I noticed that Jim W. covered the inside of the cage of his kolbra. If I
>didn't go this route, how do you paint the back side of the fabric? Is it
>smooth enough for a paint finish?
>
>pp
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: old firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: RW603@aol.com
I HAVE A 91 FIRESTAR FOR SALE IN MASS. 200 HRS TOTAL TIME IF INTERESTED USE
EMAIL TO CONTACT RECENT COVERING
$5800 BOB
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| Subject: | Re: inside covering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com>
Paul, you should talk to Jim & Dondi Miller about painting the reverse side
of fabric, it should be do-able.
After the cage was fully painted, I glued headliner material onto the
exposed fabric inside the cage. The material was cut to fit inside the
exposed tubes so that when I was finished gluing the steel tubes were
exposed. In my case the white powder coated tubes were a nice contrast to
the navy blue headliner material. This application makes the cockpit look
finished, factory finished. I get many compliments on the look of the
cockpit interior.
The headliner material is light weight, comes in many colors, is
inexpensive, and is available at any auto interior shop or supply house. I
believe I paid under $15 for the material and the 3M spray adhesive. The
job took under two hours, much less than painting would have taken with a
nicer finished look.
Ian Heritch
Slingshot 912
San Antonio, Texas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: inside covering
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
> Kolbers,
> I noticed that Jim W. covered the inside of the cage of his kolbra. If I
didn't go this route, how do you paint the back side of the fabric? Is it
smooth enough for a paint finish?
>
> pp
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yah, and isn't it neat how those rivets will spin and spin while you're
(trying to) drilling them ?? I wish dry bearings would do as well. :-)
Long ago, John H. told of an aid that really works..............cut a V in
the end of a broken hacksaw blade, and grind the inside of the V to a sharp
edge. Push this in under the head of the rivet, to act as a wedge, and
it'll hold the head from spinning. It Works ! ! ! Thanks John.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: goof #2
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> . oh well no biggie I'm already getting pretty good at drilling out rivets
> and redo.
> >
> > pp
>
> And you will only get better.
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: inside covering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> the navy blue headliner material. This application makes
> the cockpit look finished, factory finished. I get many
> compliments on the look of the cockpit interior.
> Ian Heritch Slingshot 912 San Antonio, Texas -----
Ian/Gang:
I can attest to the above. Ian's Sling Shot is beautiful.
My MK III and Ian's SS spent the night together in Ian's
hanger last May on the way home from the West Coast. The
headliner material is very attractive and professional looking.
Thanks again for letting me share your hanger.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: inside covering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
That sounds like a goody..............do you think it helps with sound
deadening as well ?? How thick is it ?? Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: inside covering
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com>
>
> Paul, you should talk to Jim & Dondi Miller about painting the reverse
side
> of fabric, it should be do-able.
>
> After the cage was fully painted, I glued headliner material onto the
> exposed fabric inside the cage. The material was cut to fit inside the
> exposed tubes so that when I was finished gluing the steel tubes were
> exposed. In my case the white powder coated tubes were a nice contrast to
> the navy blue headliner material. This application makes the cockpit look
> finished, factory finished. I get many compliments on the look of the
> cockpit interior.
>
> The headliner material is light weight, comes in many colors, is
> inexpensive, and is available at any auto interior shop or supply house.
I
> believe I paid under $15 for the material and the 3M spray adhesive. The
> job took under two hours, much less than painting would have taken with a
> nicer finished look.
>
> Ian Heritch
> Slingshot 912
> San Antonio, Texas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: inside covering
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
> >
> > Kolbers,
> > I noticed that Jim W. covered the inside of the cage of his kolbra. If I
> didn't go this route, how do you paint the back side of the fabric? Is it
> smooth enough for a paint finish?
> >
> > pp
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wanna-be new Kolber |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
As was mentioned, the Kolbs are very docile tail-draggers. There should be
a ton of stuff in the archives, as this has been discussed at length in the
fairly recent past. This assumes you're better at searching
archives than I am. :-) Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Wanna-be new Kolber
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Howdy folks. I'm currently taking lessons (I'm on #7) in a Challenger II
in Angleton, TX. I've been looking at planes for a while and I've decided to
go with a Kolb Mk II or Mk III (used.) Is a Kolb a good choice for a new
pilot? I've read some posts here stating that Kolbs are, how do I put it, a
little more unforgiving than some other designs. On the other hand, I've
read lots of good things about Kolbs too, such as climb rate, folding wings,
etc. One last concern; how difficult is it to transition from tricycle gear
to a tail dragger, me being a newbie and all? I am not new to aviation. I
was an AT in the Navy for 7 years and have been working as an AP and
avionics tech for a helicopter company here in Galveston for the last 4 1/2
years. I went for an intro flight a couple of months ago and instantly
became obsessed with U/L's. Thanks for any input.
>
>
> Guy Morgan
>
>
> --Eat one live toad first thing in the morning and nothing worse will
happen to you the rest of the day.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Long ago, John H. told of an aid that really works..............cut a V in
> the end of a broken hacksaw blade, and grind the inside of the V to a sharp
> edge.
> Lar.
Lar/All:
You are welcome.
First, don't forget to knock the mandrel out of the rivet
with an old mandrel held with small vise grips. The
hardened steel mandrel is what raises hell with new 1/8"
bits. Once the mandrel is out, all ya gotta cut is that SS.
This will be my last post until Nell and I return from the
Eastern mountains. Be gone til we get back, two, three,
four weeks. Who knows. Probably until the cold chases us
south and home.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Heat treating 4130 landing gear/ |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Hey guys,
Any one know of a good place to get heat treating done? Or perhaps
someone know the procedure to do it. I have a local shop that has a
digital furnace that is used for stress relieving reground crankshafts
but they do not have the technological specs for how to harden 4130. Can
any one steer me in the right direction please.
Gene
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jimmy <jhankin@planters.net>
For those looking for the LCD Compass, altimeter and other things check out item
on E-Bay Item number: 3050451257 . This looks like the item searched
for. Price is $59.00.
Jimmy Hankinson
912-863-7384
Rocky Ford, Ga. 30455
jhankin@planters.net
Kolb Firefly/447/240hrs
Local field, Pegasus/2000/Grass
Airport JYL/Sylvania, Ga.
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| Subject: | Firestar near Green Bay |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Hooray!
This afternoon an airworthy certificate was issued for N701US (this is a
Zenith CH 701) ( see www.zenithair.com for more info)
After 2+ years of building, this was a good reward.
FAA inspector was friendly, knowledgeable and finished his work in 1.5 hrs.
It took only 3 weeks for him to show after mailing my application for
inspection!
What does this have to do with Kolb?? Well, I simply cannot afford
financially to maintain 2 aircraft, so my Firestar II with trailer is
available for sale. In a nutshell: purchased new from the Old Kolb (Dennis
Souder) as a factory quickbuild in 1995, professionally covered, 503
electric start, Ivo 3 blade. Comes with custom open trailer (plane pictured
on front page of www.KolbPilot.com ) and has about 175 hrs on it. Looking in
the neighborhood of $9000.00
FWIW, I probably will loose interest in the domain www.KolbPilot.com
website, so if anyone is interested in purchasing that name from me (pretty
inexpensively), email me offline. (Obviously, I havent been keeping it up to
date... but it would be marvelous if someone was devoted to doing it right!)
I have monitored this list since 1995 (yes, before the archives were in
place!) and have learned soooo much over the years! Won't be leaving soon,
that's for sure!
Jon
near Green Bay
www.joncroke.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Bon Voyage, John. Let us know how it goes. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: goof #2
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> > Long ago, John H. told of an aid that really works..............cut a V
in
> > the end of a broken hacksaw blade, and grind the inside of the V to a
sharp
> > edge.
> > Lar.
>
> Lar/All:
>
> You are welcome.
>
> First, don't forget to knock the mandrel out of the rivet
> with an old mandrel held with small vise grips. The
> hardened steel mandrel is what raises hell with new 1/8"
> bits. Once the mandrel is out, all ya gotta cut is that SS.
>
> This will be my last post until Nell and I return from the
> Eastern mountains. Be gone til we get back, two, three,
> four weeks. Who knows. Probably until the cold chases us
> south and home.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: inside covering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com>
Larry, never having flown the Sling Shot without the headliner material, I
can only guess that the material does dampen the noise of the cockpit
somewhat. Likely reduces vibrations in the covering material as the cage
moves through the air.
The headliner material I used is 1/4" thick but is a little fuzzy which
probably adds another 1/16-1/8.
I cannot take credit for this idea, Bill Woods who built a champion Sling
Shot, turned me on to this method. I believe he used a thin automotive
carpet purchased at a local auto parts or hardware store.
Ian Heritch
San Antonio, TX
Sling Shot 912
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: inside covering
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> That sounds like a goody..............do you think it helps with sound
> deadening as well ?? How thick is it ?? Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: inside covering
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com>
> >
> > Paul, you should talk to Jim & Dondi Miller about painting the reverse
> side
> > of fabric, it should be do-able.
> >
> > After the cage was fully painted, I glued headliner material onto the
> > exposed fabric inside the cage. The material was cut to fit inside the
> > exposed tubes so that when I was finished gluing the steel tubes were
> > exposed. In my case the white powder coated tubes were a nice contrast
to
> > the navy blue headliner material. This application makes the cockpit
look
> > finished, factory finished. I get many compliments on the look of the
> > cockpit interior.
> >
> > The headliner material is light weight, comes in many colors, is
> > inexpensive, and is available at any auto interior shop or supply house.
> I
> > believe I paid under $15 for the material and the 3M spray adhesive.
The
> > job took under two hours, much less than painting would have taken with
a
> > nicer finished look.
> >
> > Ian Heritch
> > Slingshot 912
> > San Antonio, Texas
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kolb-List: inside covering
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
> > >
> > > Kolbers,
> > > I noticed that Jim W. covered the inside of the cage of his kolbra. If
I
> > didn't go this route, how do you paint the back side of the fabric? Is
it
> > smooth enough for a paint finish?
> > >
> > > pp
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jimmy <jhankin@planters.net>
Also type in electonic compass, thermometer, barometer, and altimeter, and there
is a lot of these to be bid on. This is on E-Bay.
Do Not Archive
Jimmy Hankinson
912-863-7384
Rocky Ford, Ga. 30455
jhankin@planters.net
Kolb Firefly/447/240hrs
Local field, Pegasus/2000/Grass
Airport JYL/Sylvania, Ga.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
$49.95 locally in Costco
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| Subject: | Re: Heat treating 4130 landing gear/ |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Next week I'll be talking to the shop in Fontana, CA, that will do the heat
treating of Vamoose' new gear legs. If you haven't heard anything by then,
I'll find out what I can for you. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eugene Zimmerman" <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Heat treating 4130 landing gear/
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
<eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>
>
> Hey guys,
> Any one know of a good place to get heat treating done? Or perhaps
> someone know the procedure to do it. I have a local shop that has a
> digital furnace that is used for stress relieving reground crankshafts
> but they do not have the technological specs for how to harden 4130. Can
> any one steer me in the right direction please.
>
> Gene
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: control interferences |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
> Anybody else seen this on their Mark-3s?
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Verner, Powerfin-72 in
> Cedar Crest, NM
Dennis,
My kit though just completed last June is a 91 vintage Mk-3, kit #90.
At the time the fuselages were made with a streamlining bow at the rear just
above the tailboom exit. This took away the chopped back and necessitated a
rectangular opening on each side for the aileron bellcranks to exit. The
plans called for a control travel stop at the top of each opening to stop
the bellcrank travel before the pushrods interfered with each other. I guess
that after the rear streamlining bow was eliminated, it took away the
easiest place to mount a travel stop on the ailerons.
However after nearly 26 hrs on my bird with the stock aileron cord and stock
lever ratio on the ailerons, I don't think there is any chance of reaching
full aileron deflection in flight unless your bionic.
Sincerely,
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: inside covering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
> Kolbers,
> I noticed that Jim W. covered the inside of the cage of his kolbra. If I
didn't go this route, how do you paint the back side of the fabric? Is it
smooth enough for a paint finish?
Paul,
I did not cover the inside of my cage, the outside is done in Poly Fiber
with the full silver coat and white and blue Polytone finish. Even though
the inside is not painted, it looks finished and does not detract a bit from
the appearance.
Sincerely
Denny Rowe, Mk-3 N616DR, 690L-70, 68" Powerfin F model.
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| Subject: | Re: Wanna-be new Kolber |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: Guy Morgan <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Wanna-be new Kolber
> Howdy folks. I'm currently taking lessons (I'm on #7) in a Challenger II
in Angleton, TX. I've been looking at planes for a while and I've decided to
go with a Kolb Mk II or Mk III (used.) Is a Kolb a good choice for a new
pilot? I've read some posts here stating that Kolbs are, how do I put it, a
little more unforgiving than some other designs. On the other hand, I've
read lots of good things about Kolbs too, such as climb rate, folding wings,
etc. One last concern; how difficult is it to transition from tricycle gear
to a tail dragger, me being a newbie and all? I am not new to aviation. I
was an AT in the Navy for 7 years and have been working as an AP and
avionics tech for a helicopter company here in Galveston for the last 4 1/2
years. I went for an intro flight a couple of months ago and instantly
became obsessed with U/L's. Thanks for any input.
>
> Guy Morgan
Guy,
As others have said here, the Kolb taildragger issue is a non issue, my
Mk-3 is as tame as any airplane I have ever flown including Cessna 152s and
Piper Cherokees. When transitioning from from general aviation planes to ULs
you need to learn to fly the UL onto the ground, do not flare it 5 foot up
in the air like a Cessna, if you do it will stop and drop. But you have
already learned that in the Challenger. You should have zero trouble
transitioning to a Kolb.
Sincerely,
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
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