---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/01/03: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:50 AM - Wanna-be new Kolber (Guy Morgan) 2. 07:46 AM - Re: Traveling (Larry Bourne) 3. 10:17 AM - goof #2 (Paul Petty) 4. 11:12 AM - Re: goof #2 (John Hauck) 5. 12:46 PM - control interference (cont.) (Bob Bean) 6. 01:30 PM - Re: control interference (cont.) (John Hauck) 7. 02:29 PM - Re: control interferences (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM) 8. 02:50 PM - Re: goof #2 (Woody) 9. 02:52 PM - instruments? (Bob N.) 10. 03:01 PM - Re: Wanna-be new Kolber (Woody) 11. 04:15 PM - 8JB Making Volts - Getting ready for next time (BICUM@aol.com) 12. 04:19 PM - inside covering (Paul Petty) 13. 04:19 PM - Fall Fly-In (Bob N.) 14. 04:47 PM - Re: instruments? (Don Gherardini) 15. 04:50 PM - Re: 8JB Making Volts - Getting ready for next time (John Hauck) 16. 04:56 PM - Re: instruments? (Bob N.) 17. 05:10 PM - Kitty Hawk/TNK Fly-In (John Williamson) 18. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: control interferences (SGreenpg@aol.com) 19. 05:37 PM - control interference (Bob Bean) 20. 05:38 PM - Re: inside covering (Richard Pike) 21. 05:44 PM - Re: old firestar (RW603@aol.com) 22. 05:53 PM - Re: inside covering (Ian Heritch) 23. 06:11 PM - Re: goof #2 (Larry Bourne) 24. 06:14 PM - Re: inside covering (John Hauck) 25. 06:16 PM - Re: inside covering (Larry Bourne) 26. 06:18 PM - Re: Wanna-be new Kolber (Larry Bourne) 27. 06:39 PM - Re: goof #2 (John Hauck) 28. 06:40 PM - Heat treating 4130 landing gear/ (Eugene Zimmerman) 29. 06:53 PM - LCD Compass (Jimmy) 30. 06:54 PM - Firestar near Green Bay (Jon Croke) 31. 07:09 PM - Re: goof #2 (Larry Bourne) 32. 07:10 PM - Re: inside covering (Ian Heritch) 33. 07:28 PM - LCD Compass (Jimmy) 34. 08:50 PM - [ Possum ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 35. 09:01 PM - Re: LCD Compass (Bob N.) 36. 09:06 PM - Re: Heat treating 4130 landing gear/ (Larry Bourne) 37. 09:53 PM - Re: Re: control interferences () 38. 10:00 PM - Re: inside covering () 39. 10:16 PM - Re: Wanna-be new Kolber () 40. 11:03 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:11 AM PST US From: "Guy Morgan" Subject: Kolb-List: Wanna-be new Kolber --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" Howdy folks. I'm currently taking lessons (I'm on #7) in a Challenger II in Angleton, TX. I've been looking at planes for a while and I've decided to go with a Kolb Mk II or Mk III (used.) Is a Kolb a good choice for a new pilot? I've read some posts here stating that Kolbs are, how do I put it, a little more unforgiving than some other designs. On the other hand, I've read lots of good things about Kolbs too, such as climb rate, folding wings, etc. One last concern; how difficult is it to transition from tricycle gear to a tail dragger, me being a newbie and all? I am not new to aviation. I was an AT in the Navy for 7 years and have been working as an AP and avionics tech for a helicopter company here in Galveston for the last 4 1/2 years. I went for an intro flight a couple of months ago and instantly became obsessed with U/L's. Thanks for any input. Guy Morgan --Eat one live toad first thing in the morning and nothing worse will happen to you the rest of the day. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:39 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Traveling --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Got to thinking about this, later last night, and realized that the toughest nut in the idea is accomodations. There is nothing at Tuweep except a primitive campground, and at North Rim reservations have to be made far in advance, for campgrounds, or hotel. I dunno.............any suggestions ?? Guess I'm spoiled by the excellent facilities at Goulding's in Monument Valley. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: Traveling > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > After the Monument Valley meeting last May, someone mentioned that it'd be neat to fly the Grand Canyon area - paying proper attention to the rules and regs for that very restricted airspace, of course. Last weekend, I took the truck and camper up to the North Rim of the Grand Canyon for a good look-see, and was very pleased. There are more little hole-in-the-wall airstrips than I'd thought, plus a lot of roads that would be land-able. Ground transportation would be a little iffy, and we'd hafta work out something in advance. The scenery.............well, it's very worth it. Possibly this could be a destination for next year ?? Of course, I built a web page on the trip..........take a look at: http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/travelling.html , and go to "Weekends," then click "Grand Canyon - North Rim." Sure is a perty place, and the idea of flying there makes my mouth water. Lar. Do not Archive. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > www.gogittum.com > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:38 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: goof #2 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Well folks I finished the other horz. stab. last night and proudly hung them on the wall to admire. In my admiration of the completed parts,(well almost complete) I noticed I had forgot to install the inner support tube in the trailing edge tube. RAT'S..... oh well no biggie I'm already getting pretty good at drilling out rivets and redo. pp do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:50 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: goof #2 --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Well folks I finished the other horz. stab. last night > and proudly hung them on the wall to admire. > I'm already getting pretty good at drilling out rivets > and redo. > > pp pp/All: Hang in there. Might be a good idea to fill all those "uh oh" holes with rivets, unless they are in a position to displace/disrupt proper fit of other tubing and gussets. Heading for the hills this afternoon, john h ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:15 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Kolb-List: control interference (cont.) --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean After another look, when in full right stick deflection the aileron crank arm does contact the flap rod. -flaps in full up position. I could drill out the rivets, saw a bit off the tube, and re-rivet one extra circle in, however the rivet spacing doesn't appear quite uniform enough to make the one space displacement feasible. Since this happens at a further deflection than is even permissable left stick, by virtue of the center stick travel differential. (hits stuff eventually) I don't see it warranting a red X in the forms. -yet I shall no doubt be mulling it over. I can't claim responsibility for building that part although can't say it wouldn't have been done the same way had I done it. You'd never know til you bolted it all together. -BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:35 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: control interference (cont.) --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > After another look, when in full right stick deflection the aileron > crank arm does contact > the flap rod. -flaps in full up position. -BB Bob/All: Get in the aircraft, if you haven't already tried this, move the stick full right with your leg now in the way, and have someone check to see if you still have interference. Usually, full travel while not in the seat does not equal full travel while seated. However, I don't know if you have a center stick or dual controls in your MK III. That would also have a bearing on the problem. Take care, john h PS: Discussion of this nature should probably be archived for future reference. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:29:05 PM PST US From: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: control interferences --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM BB wrote: << earlier subject: control interferences, I haven't hit the archives on it yet but I do have a contact between my right aileron horn and the flap rod, not within normal operating range but still doesn't look right. -BB >> then John Hauck wrote: <> John, BB, and Kolbers - On my 1997 Mark-3 Classic, I'm also experiencing the aileron control horn/flap rod interference that Bob Bean describes. Happens at full side stick deflection - the aileron horn contacts the flap push-pull rod. Did not notice the interference until the airplane was finished. Built exactly to plans - no mods here. It appears that if I would slam the control stick to the side hard enough, the two intefering parts could bind up on each other, causing a control lockup. That would be bad. I hope I should not have to make such extreme control movements in normal flight, but ... one never knows. I've not yet come up with a fix. Anybody else seen this on their Mark-3s? Dennis Kirby Verner, Powerfin-72 in Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:03 PM PST US From: "Woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: goof #2 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" . oh well no biggie I'm already getting pretty good at drilling out rivets and redo. > > pp And you will only get better. do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:27 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Kolb-List: instruments? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." Costco/priceclub has a kinda neat little box for $49.95. Has an electonic compass, thermometer, barometer, and altimeter, push button-selectable Good sized LCD, runs from internal batts, or from cig lighter (12v) with cable included. Be the first on yer field/strip/patch to have one. Bob N. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:49 PM PST US From: "Woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wanna-be new Kolber --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" a little more unforgiving than some other designs. ??? I don't know what you are talking about. The Kolbs do what you tell them. One last concern; how difficult is it to transition from tricycle gear to a tail dragger, me being a newbie and all? Being a tail dragger is almost a non issue. Your tail wheel will be up in under 50 ft and 20 Mph or less. Not a lot of time to have something go wrong. You are probbably used to balancing the challenger on its mains before flying and this is no different. ( In my humble opinion) Good luck in your research on Kolbs. I am sure you will be happy owning one of these fine machines. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:45 PM PST US From: BICUM@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: 8JB Making Volts - Getting ready for next time --> Kolb-List message posted by: BICUM@aol.com For all those that helped with my voltage regulator problem.............. It is officially fixed. The 912 is making 14 volts like it is supposed to. I went out to the airport today and dug in. Pulled the instrument panel and checked everything back there. All OK. Increased the wire gauge on yellow leads from generator to the regulator from 18 to 14 gauge. Stuck a little roll of sandpaper behind flywheel and turned the engine over by hand a few times. Kinda had a bit of corrosion on magnets. That is all I did. Cranked the thing and it put out 14 volts right away. Doesn't even drift with the strobes on. Not sure if it was the wire gauge or the light cleaning of the magnets. Don't care, it works. No more battery problems............. I'll be ready to run with da big dogs again! Thanks & be careful, John Bickham St. Francisville, LA Kolb Mark III Classic - 912 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:42 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: inside covering --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Kolbers, I noticed that Jim W. covered the inside of the cage of his kolbra. If I didn't go this route, how do you paint the back side of the fabric? Is it smooth enough for a paint finish? pp ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:42 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Kolb-List: Fall Fly-In --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." EAA ch 186 will hold their Fall Fly-In at Winchester (VA) Regional Airport (OKV) Oct 4&5 N39-08.61 W078.08.66 Pancake Breakfast rain or shine 8-11AM. Aircraft judging, Fly-market, Demos, Kids' activities, C-54 static display. www.eaa186.org or eaa186@yahoo. com AWOS 124.85 Unicom 122.7 Ground 121.75 Both Winchester and EAA186 are very UL-friendly When I'm not busy answering damnfool questions (zat thang fly?) or selling my books, I can haul mogas. Look for the white FireFly with red LEs. Bob N. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:36 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: instruments? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Bob, Im looking at the costco.com site..I cant find the gizmo....I must not be at the right place..can you tell us just zactly where it is? do not archive http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Don Gherardini- FireFly 098 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:03 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 8JB Making Volts - Getting ready for next time --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck John B/All: Glad you corrected the problem, what ever it was. :-) john h PS: I am ready to go, anytime!!! > For all those that helped with my voltage regulator > problem.............. > > It is officially fixed. The 912 is making 14 volts like > it is supposed to. > John Bickham DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:25 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: instruments? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." Don, It's right in the store abt 2/3 way to meat sect-past the print carts. etc--if all stores are alike(?) May not be in their web cat. yet, or maybe just the Winchester VA store? I'll ask them tomorrow. Can try for a quick photo??? Bob N. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:15 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Kolb-List: Kitty Hawk/TNK Fly-In --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" To the whole Kolb Family, I arrived back in Arlington at 1145 this morning with no major problems. I have taken my time to get back on the list while I read all the fine comments about our flight, the Fly-In (which is now called a Homecoming) and all the great folks building and flying these fantastic machines. All but one member of our flight has checked back in on the list and I just talked to his wife. Gary is having fun fishing in Arkansas. First I want to apologize for missing the lunch with the Trenton Flyers. No excuses here, I should have stopped and now regret that I didn't. John H has sent me several photos already and I would love to receive more from our flight members and folks on the ground at Chesnut Knoll. I will update my website as soon as possible and send a post when that has happened. By the way, I had more fun on this trip than what is probably legal. Thanks John H, John B, Steven G and Gary H. Stats for this trip:2419.3 nautical miles (2784.1 statute miles). Total flight time: 38 hours 14 minutes Average speed: 63.3 kts (72.8 mph) Fuel burned: 141.7 gallons Miles per gallon: 19.64 Number of landings: 21 John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 487 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:21 PM PST US From: SGreenpg@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: control interferences --> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com In a message dated 10/1/03 5:30:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil writes: > Anybody else seen this on their Mark-3s? > Yes. I put stops on the rear of the aileron torque tube to limit the travel. Steven G. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:03 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Kolb-List: control interference --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean I found some enlightenment (still a heathern though :) ) in an old Kolb illustration, copyright dec 1990, page 7, rev 0. Dennis Souder. It shows a "steel strip on rear cage fairing" - aileron stop, form an L bracket from .032" aluminum and rivet to steel strip. "crank should rotate approx 35 deg each direction - for a total rotation of 70 deg" That does some explaining, I'll put a protractor on mine and see what the travel is unfettered with stops. Since my plane and few others have that fairing a good stop location would have to be figured. Mr. Pike's hole relocation method would also be a factor if used. -BB, MkIII ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:31 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: inside covering --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike If you don't cover the inside of the cage, you will find that it makes wonderful corners for accumulating dirt. Lots of corners, lots of dirt. I covered most of the inside of my cage, I wish now I'd covered all of it. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 06:22 PM 10/1/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > >Kolbers, >I noticed that Jim W. covered the inside of the cage of his kolbra. If I >didn't go this route, how do you paint the back side of the fabric? Is it >smooth enough for a paint finish? > >pp > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:40 PM PST US From: RW603@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: old firestar --> Kolb-List message posted by: RW603@aol.com I HAVE A 91 FIRESTAR FOR SALE IN MASS. 200 HRS TOTAL TIME IF INTERESTED USE EMAIL TO CONTACT RECENT COVERING $5800 BOB ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:16 PM PST US From: "Ian Heritch" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: inside covering --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" Paul, you should talk to Jim & Dondi Miller about painting the reverse side of fabric, it should be do-able. After the cage was fully painted, I glued headliner material onto the exposed fabric inside the cage. The material was cut to fit inside the exposed tubes so that when I was finished gluing the steel tubes were exposed. In my case the white powder coated tubes were a nice contrast to the navy blue headliner material. This application makes the cockpit look finished, factory finished. I get many compliments on the look of the cockpit interior. The headliner material is light weight, comes in many colors, is inexpensive, and is available at any auto interior shop or supply house. I believe I paid under $15 for the material and the 3M spray adhesive. The job took under two hours, much less than painting would have taken with a nicer finished look. Ian Heritch Slingshot 912 San Antonio, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: inside covering > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Kolbers, > I noticed that Jim W. covered the inside of the cage of his kolbra. If I didn't go this route, how do you paint the back side of the fabric? Is it smooth enough for a paint finish? > > pp > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:12 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: goof #2 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Yah, and isn't it neat how those rivets will spin and spin while you're (trying to) drilling them ?? I wish dry bearings would do as well. :-) Long ago, John H. told of an aid that really works..............cut a V in the end of a broken hacksaw blade, and grind the inside of the V to a sharp edge. Push this in under the head of the rivet, to act as a wedge, and it'll hold the head from spinning. It Works ! ! ! Thanks John. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: goof #2 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" > > . oh well no biggie I'm already getting pretty good at drilling out rivets > and redo. > > > > pp > > And you will only get better. > > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:33 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: inside covering --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > the navy blue headliner material. This application makes > the cockpit look finished, factory finished. I get many > compliments on the look of the cockpit interior. > Ian Heritch Slingshot 912 San Antonio, Texas ----- Ian/Gang: I can attest to the above. Ian's Sling Shot is beautiful. My MK III and Ian's SS spent the night together in Ian's hanger last May on the way home from the West Coast. The headliner material is very attractive and professional looking. Thanks again for letting me share your hanger. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:03 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: inside covering --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" That sounds like a goody..............do you think it helps with sound deadening as well ?? How thick is it ?? Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Heritch" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: inside covering > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" > > Paul, you should talk to Jim & Dondi Miller about painting the reverse side > of fabric, it should be do-able. > > After the cage was fully painted, I glued headliner material onto the > exposed fabric inside the cage. The material was cut to fit inside the > exposed tubes so that when I was finished gluing the steel tubes were > exposed. In my case the white powder coated tubes were a nice contrast to > the navy blue headliner material. This application makes the cockpit look > finished, factory finished. I get many compliments on the look of the > cockpit interior. > > The headliner material is light weight, comes in many colors, is > inexpensive, and is available at any auto interior shop or supply house. I > believe I paid under $15 for the material and the 3M spray adhesive. The > job took under two hours, much less than painting would have taken with a > nicer finished look. > > Ian Heritch > Slingshot 912 > San Antonio, Texas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Petty" > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: inside covering > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > > > Kolbers, > > I noticed that Jim W. covered the inside of the cage of his kolbra. If I > didn't go this route, how do you paint the back side of the fabric? Is it > smooth enough for a paint finish? > > > > pp > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:52 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wanna-be new Kolber --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" As was mentioned, the Kolbs are very docile tail-draggers. There should be a ton of stuff in the archives, as this has been discussed at length in the fairly recent past. This assumes you're better at searching archives than I am. :-) Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Morgan" Subject: Kolb-List: Wanna-be new Kolber > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" > > > Howdy folks. I'm currently taking lessons (I'm on #7) in a Challenger II in Angleton, TX. I've been looking at planes for a while and I've decided to go with a Kolb Mk II or Mk III (used.) Is a Kolb a good choice for a new pilot? I've read some posts here stating that Kolbs are, how do I put it, a little more unforgiving than some other designs. On the other hand, I've read lots of good things about Kolbs too, such as climb rate, folding wings, etc. One last concern; how difficult is it to transition from tricycle gear to a tail dragger, me being a newbie and all? I am not new to aviation. I was an AT in the Navy for 7 years and have been working as an AP and avionics tech for a helicopter company here in Galveston for the last 4 1/2 years. I went for an intro flight a couple of months ago and instantly became obsessed with U/L's. Thanks for any input. > > > Guy Morgan > > > --Eat one live toad first thing in the morning and nothing worse will happen to you the rest of the day. > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:24 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: goof #2 --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Long ago, John H. told of an aid that really works..............cut a V in > the end of a broken hacksaw blade, and grind the inside of the V to a sharp > edge. > Lar. Lar/All: You are welcome. First, don't forget to knock the mandrel out of the rivet with an old mandrel held with small vise grips. The hardened steel mandrel is what raises hell with new 1/8" bits. Once the mandrel is out, all ya gotta cut is that SS. This will be my last post until Nell and I return from the Eastern mountains. Be gone til we get back, two, three, four weeks. Who knows. Probably until the cold chases us south and home. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:25 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Kolb-List: Heat treating 4130 landing gear/ --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Hey guys, Any one know of a good place to get heat treating done? Or perhaps someone know the procedure to do it. I have a local shop that has a digital furnace that is used for stress relieving reground crankshafts but they do not have the technological specs for how to harden 4130. Can any one steer me in the right direction please. Gene ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:04 PM PST US From: Jimmy Subject: Kolb-List: LCD Compass --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jimmy For those looking for the LCD Compass, altimeter and other things check out item on E-Bay Item number: 3050451257 . This looks like the item searched for. Price is $59.00. Jimmy Hankinson 912-863-7384 Rocky Ford, Ga. 30455 jhankin@planters.net Kolb Firefly/447/240hrs Local field, Pegasus/2000/Grass Airport JYL/Sylvania, Ga. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:16 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar near Green Bay --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" Hooray! This afternoon an airworthy certificate was issued for N701US (this is a Zenith CH 701) ( see www.zenithair.com for more info) After 2+ years of building, this was a good reward. FAA inspector was friendly, knowledgeable and finished his work in 1.5 hrs. It took only 3 weeks for him to show after mailing my application for inspection! What does this have to do with Kolb?? Well, I simply cannot afford financially to maintain 2 aircraft, so my Firestar II with trailer is available for sale. In a nutshell: purchased new from the Old Kolb (Dennis Souder) as a factory quickbuild in 1995, professionally covered, 503 electric start, Ivo 3 blade. Comes with custom open trailer (plane pictured on front page of www.KolbPilot.com ) and has about 175 hrs on it. Looking in the neighborhood of $9000.00 FWIW, I probably will loose interest in the domain www.KolbPilot.com website, so if anyone is interested in purchasing that name from me (pretty inexpensively), email me offline. (Obviously, I havent been keeping it up to date... but it would be marvelous if someone was devoted to doing it right!) I have monitored this list since 1995 (yes, before the archives were in place!) and have learned soooo much over the years! Won't be leaving soon, that's for sure! Jon near Green Bay www.joncroke.com ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:16 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: goof #2 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Bon Voyage, John. Let us know how it goes. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: goof #2 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > > > Long ago, John H. told of an aid that really works..............cut a V in > > the end of a broken hacksaw blade, and grind the inside of the V to a sharp > > edge. > > Lar. > > Lar/All: > > You are welcome. > > First, don't forget to knock the mandrel out of the rivet > with an old mandrel held with small vise grips. The > hardened steel mandrel is what raises hell with new 1/8" > bits. Once the mandrel is out, all ya gotta cut is that SS. > > This will be my last post until Nell and I return from the > Eastern mountains. Be gone til we get back, two, three, > four weeks. Who knows. Probably until the cold chases us > south and home. > > Take care, > > john h > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:54 PM PST US From: "Ian Heritch" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: inside covering --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" Larry, never having flown the Sling Shot without the headliner material, I can only guess that the material does dampen the noise of the cockpit somewhat. Likely reduces vibrations in the covering material as the cage moves through the air. The headliner material I used is 1/4" thick but is a little fuzzy which probably adds another 1/16-1/8. I cannot take credit for this idea, Bill Woods who built a champion Sling Shot, turned me on to this method. I believe he used a thin automotive carpet purchased at a local auto parts or hardware store. Ian Heritch San Antonio, TX Sling Shot 912 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: inside covering > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > That sounds like a goody..............do you think it helps with sound > deadening as well ?? How thick is it ?? Lar. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Heritch" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: inside covering > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" > > > > Paul, you should talk to Jim & Dondi Miller about painting the reverse > side > > of fabric, it should be do-able. > > > > After the cage was fully painted, I glued headliner material onto the > > exposed fabric inside the cage. The material was cut to fit inside the > > exposed tubes so that when I was finished gluing the steel tubes were > > exposed. In my case the white powder coated tubes were a nice contrast to > > the navy blue headliner material. This application makes the cockpit look > > finished, factory finished. I get many compliments on the look of the > > cockpit interior. > > > > The headliner material is light weight, comes in many colors, is > > inexpensive, and is available at any auto interior shop or supply house. > I > > believe I paid under $15 for the material and the 3M spray adhesive. The > > job took under two hours, much less than painting would have taken with a > > nicer finished look. > > > > Ian Heritch > > Slingshot 912 > > San Antonio, Texas > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Petty" > > To: > > Subject: Kolb-List: inside covering > > > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > > > > > Kolbers, > > > I noticed that Jim W. covered the inside of the cage of his kolbra. If I > > didn't go this route, how do you paint the back side of the fabric? Is it > > smooth enough for a paint finish? > > > > > > pp > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:55 PM PST US From: Jimmy Subject: Kolb-List: LCD Compass --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jimmy Also type in electonic compass, thermometer, barometer, and altimeter, and there is a lot of these to be bid on. This is on E-Bay. Do Not Archive Jimmy Hankinson 912-863-7384 Rocky Ford, Ga. 30455 jhankin@planters.net Kolb Firefly/447/240hrs Local field, Pegasus/2000/Grass Airport JYL/Sylvania, Ga. ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:38 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: [ Possum ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Possum Subject: Panel http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/possums@mindspring.com.10.01.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:59 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: LCD Compass --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." $49.95 locally in Costco ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:06 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heat treating 4130 landing gear/ --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Next week I'll be talking to the shop in Fontana, CA, that will do the heat treating of Vamoose' new gear legs. If you haven't heard anything by then, I'll find out what I can for you. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Zimmerman" Subject: Kolb-List: Heat treating 4130 landing gear/ > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman > > > Hey guys, > Any one know of a good place to get heat treating done? Or perhaps > someone know the procedure to do it. I have a local shop that has a > digital furnace that is used for stress relieving reground crankshafts > but they do not have the technological specs for how to harden 4130. Can > any one steer me in the right direction please. > > Gene > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:35 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: control interferences --> Kolb-List message posted by: > Anybody else seen this on their Mark-3s? > > Dennis Kirby > Verner, Powerfin-72 in > Cedar Crest, NM Dennis, My kit though just completed last June is a 91 vintage Mk-3, kit #90. At the time the fuselages were made with a streamlining bow at the rear just above the tailboom exit. This took away the chopped back and necessitated a rectangular opening on each side for the aileron bellcranks to exit. The plans called for a control travel stop at the top of each opening to stop the bellcrank travel before the pushrods interfered with each other. I guess that after the rear streamlining bow was eliminated, it took away the easiest place to mount a travel stop on the ailerons. However after nearly 26 hrs on my bird with the stock aileron cord and stock lever ratio on the ailerons, I don't think there is any chance of reaching full aileron deflection in flight unless your bionic. Sincerely, Denny Rowe ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:17 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: inside covering --> Kolb-List message posted by: > Kolbers, > I noticed that Jim W. covered the inside of the cage of his kolbra. If I didn't go this route, how do you paint the back side of the fabric? Is it smooth enough for a paint finish? Paul, I did not cover the inside of my cage, the outside is done in Poly Fiber with the full silver coat and white and blue Polytone finish. Even though the inside is not painted, it looks finished and does not detract a bit from the appearance. Sincerely Denny Rowe, Mk-3 N616DR, 690L-70, 68" Powerfin F model. ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:20 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wanna-be new Kolber --> Kolb-List message posted by: ----- Original Message ----- From: Guy Morgan Subject: Kolb-List: Wanna-be new Kolber > Howdy folks. I'm currently taking lessons (I'm on #7) in a Challenger II in Angleton, TX. I've been looking at planes for a while and I've decided to go with a Kolb Mk II or Mk III (used.) Is a Kolb a good choice for a new pilot? I've read some posts here stating that Kolbs are, how do I put it, a little more unforgiving than some other designs. On the other hand, I've read lots of good things about Kolbs too, such as climb rate, folding wings, etc. One last concern; how difficult is it to transition from tricycle gear to a tail dragger, me being a newbie and all? I am not new to aviation. I was an AT in the Navy for 7 years and have been working as an AP and avionics tech for a helicopter company here in Galveston for the last 4 1/2 years. I went for an intro flight a couple of months ago and instantly became obsessed with U/L's. Thanks for any input. > > Guy Morgan Guy, As others have said here, the Kolb taildragger issue is a non issue, my Mk-3 is as tame as any airplane I have ever flown including Cessna 152s and Piper Cherokees. When transitioning from from general aviation planes to ULs you need to learn to fly the UL onto the ground, do not flare it 5 foot up in the air like a Cessna, if you do it will stop and drop. But you have already learned that in the Challenger. You should have zero trouble transitioning to a Kolb. 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