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1. 04:43 AM - Re: [ Possum ] : New Email List Photo Share (Richard Pike)
2. 04:55 AM - Re: inside covering (James, Ken)
3. 04:56 AM - Re: inside covering (James, Ken)
4. 06:01 AM - Re: control interferences (Airgriff2@aol.com)
5. 06:02 AM - Re: [ Possum ] : New Email List Photo Share (possums)
6. 06:14 AM - Thanks from the wanna-be (Guy Morgan)
7. 07:39 AM - Re: Thanks from the wanna-be (Don Gherardini)
8. 08:02 AM - Re: [ Possum ] : New Email List Photo Share (possums)
9. 09:15 AM - Re: control interferences (William George)
10. 12:04 PM - Re: wop wop (jam'n)
11. 12:48 PM - FireFly - Powerfin Propeller & Bing Dribble Bib (Jack & Louise Hart)
12. 02:19 PM - Re: FireFly - Powerfin Propeller & Bing Dribble Bib (Richard Pike)
13. 02:32 PM - Website update (John Williamson)
14. 02:33 PM - elevators (Paul Petty)
15. 03:00 PM - video (Paul Petty)
16. 03:03 PM - Re: elevators (James and Cathy Tripp)
17. 04:14 PM - elevator (Paul Petty)
18. 05:14 PM - Re: elevators (Jim Clayton)
19. 05:23 PM - Ivoprop replacement tape - Powerfin (Richard Pike)
20. 05:47 PM - Re: LCD Compass (Ben Ransom)
21. 06:27 PM - Re: Wanna-be new Kolber (Ben Ransom)
22. 07:01 PM - Re: elevators (WillUribe@aol.com)
23. 07:11 PM - Re: Heat treating 4130 landing gear/ (Don Gherardini)
24. 09:56 PM - Re: inside covering ()
25. 10:02 PM - Re: control interference ()
26. 10:39 PM - Re: Heat treating 4130 landing gear/ (Ben Ransom)
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| Subject: | Re: [ Possum ] : New Email List Photo Share |
Available!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
OK, Possum, you almost got me on that one...
Still a nice piece of work, and probably available in 5 years.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420p (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 08:50 PM 10/1/03 -0700, you wrote:
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>http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/possums@mindspring.com.10.01.2003/index
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> o Main Photo Share Index
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Do you have any pics of the inside of your cage?
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Pike [mailto:rwpike@charter.net]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: inside covering
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
If you don't cover the inside of the cage, you will find that it makes
wonderful corners for accumulating dirt. Lots of corners, lots of dirt. I
covered most of the inside of my cage, I wish now I'd covered all of it.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 06:22 PM 10/1/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
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>Kolbers,
>I noticed that Jim W. covered the inside of the cage of his kolbra. If I
>didn't go this route, how do you paint the back side of the fabric? Is it
>smooth enough for a paint finish?
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>pp
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<P><FONT SIZE2>Do you have any pics of the inside of your
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<P><FONT SIZE2>If you don't cover the inside of the cage, you will
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<BR><FONT SIZE2>covered most of the inside of my cage, I wish now
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<P><FONT SIZE2>At 06:22 PM 10/1/03 -0500, you wrote:</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE2>>Kolbers,</FONT>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Like to see a pic of your cage.
Ken
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| Subject: | Re: control interferences |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
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> >> On my 1997 Mark-3 Classic, I'm also experiencing the aileron control
>> horn/flap rod interference that Bob Bean describes. Happens at full
>> side
>> stick deflection - the aileron horn contacts the flap push-pull rod.
>>
>
Dennis, I had this problem on mine also. My fix was to space the flap
push-pull rod away with washers and also (tweak) bend the aileron horn a small
amount. This was enough to allow clearance where I only needed to put a piece of
electrical tape on the p-p rod to watch for any future contact.
Bob Griffin
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| Subject: | Re: [ Possum ] : New Email List Photo Share |
Available!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
--bjTKjkPiTgypKhDxjzSgGEuQpse
At 07:19 AM 10/2/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
>OK, Possum, you almost got me on that one...
>Still a nice piece of work, and probably available in 5 years.
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420p (420ldPoops)
Oh it's already here - if you go the money to waste.
http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/efisone/GuidedTour215/attitude.htm
--bjTKjkPiTgypKhDxjzSgGEuQpse
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At 07:19 AM 10/2/2003 -0400, you wrote:<br>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <<a href="mailto:rwpike@charter.net">rwpike@charter.net</a>><br>
><br>
>OK, Possum, you almost got me on that one...<br>
>Still a nice piece of work, and probably available in 5 years.<br>
><br>
>Richard Pike<br>
>MKIII N420p (420ldPoops)<br>
<br>
Oh it's already here - if you go the money to waste.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/efisone/GuidedTour215/attitude.htm">http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/efisone/GuidedTour215/attitude.htm</a><br>
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| Subject: | Thanks from the wanna-be |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
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<P>Thanks for the replies everyone. I do realize (after the fact) I probably should've
searched the archives b/c there are probably a million posts of the same
basic question. I feel alot better now about buying a Kolb and I would never
buy anything to fly in that I wasn't completely confident in. I have worked
with too many helo pilots who are scared of their aircraft and it's no fun riding
with them. I have emailed someone near me (Gerry B.) who has offered me a
ride in his Mk III Extra and I'll take him up on that for sure. Thanks again,
hope to see yall soon.</P>
<P>Guy<BR><BR><BR></P>
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks from the wanna-be |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Guy, As many have said hear, the Kolb is a very docile taildragger, in fact,
the most docile taildragger I can think of. I personally had never even
ridden in a Kolb till right after OshKosh, when John H stopped by my local
airport to give me a ride in his. I had completed my FireFly and probably
due to too much General Aviation backround, I was just not willing to risk
bending it untill I got a ride in one. (and also probably due to hearing
several exaggerated statements about how a Kolb can bite you). Well, John
Gave me confidence, and I Made the maiden flight the next weekend..within 15
minutes and the 2nd touch an go, I realized that it was not gonna bite me,
and to quote John..."these airplanes just dont have any bad habits". By the
time I had about an hour in, and had stalled it in all configs..landed in
crosswind..and of course began to gain confidence in my creation as any
homebuilder worries a little about something falling off you forgot to
fasten down properly, I started to realize that this baby is the best
handling airplane that you can wrap you stick Hand around. Kolbs just
respond and "do whatever you tell them to" as someone posted here a bit ago.
In fact, it does so well that if there is a problem it might be that you
could be tempted to roll it..loop it, and do all sorts of manuvers it was
not designed for, but is likely to be capable of. The challenger training
you are getting is going to be enough. And after you fly your Kolb you are
going to think of that challenger as a old truck with no power steering.Good
enough to learn in, but now we are flying a Caddy, or I might say a Ferrari!
Good luck ..and the only new advice I can give you is take some asprin along
on your maiden flight day...your jaw muscles are gonna be sore from the
grin!
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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| Subject: | Re: [ Possum ] : New Email List Photo Share |
Available!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
--jhvIsrKClGJPOMcvDeGkePgCFQR
>posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
> >
> >OK, Possum, you almost got me on that one...
> >Still a nice piece of work, and probably available in 5 years.
> >
> >Richard Pike
> >MKIII N420p (420ldPoops)
>
>Oh it's already here - if you got the money to waste.
>
>http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/efisone/GuidedTour215/attitude.htm
And I don't - but it's a nice picture anyway
do not archive
--jhvIsrKClGJPOMcvDeGkePgCFQR
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>posted by: Richard Pike <<a href="mailto:rwpike@charter.net">rwpike@charter.net</a>><br>
> ><br>
> >OK, Possum, you almost got me on that one...<br>
> >Still a nice piece of work, and probably available in 5 years.<br>
> ><br>
> >Richard Pike<br>
> >MKIII N420p (420ldPoops)<br>
><br>
>Oh it's already here - if you got the money to waste.<br>
><br>
><a href="http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/efisone/GuidedTour215/attitude.htm">http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/efisone/GuidedTour215/attitude.htm</a><br>
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And I don't - but it's a nice picture anyway<br>
<br>
do not archive<br>
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| Subject: | Re: control interferences |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
Mine has stops also.
do not archive
Bill George
Kolb Mk-3/Verner1400SVS/Powerfin 68" "F"
> From: Kolb-List Digest Server <kolb-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:56:27 -0700
> To: Kolb-List Digest List <kolb-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 40 Msgs - 10/01/03
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: control interferences
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 10/1/03 5:30:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil writes:
>
>> Anybody else seen this on their Mark-3s?
>>
>
> Yes.
>
> I put stops on the rear of the aileron torque tube to limit the travel.
>
> Steven G.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jam'n" <jghunter@nol.net>
try this:
http://www.hurtwood.demon.co.uk/Fun/copter.swf
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| Subject: | FireFly - Powerfin Propeller & Bing Dribble Bib |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
FireFlyers & Kolbers,
Mounted a Powerfin 65" B two blade propeller on the FireFly. After eight flights
to tune it in, I have decided I like it. I could not get the climb out with
the left-hand IVO that I got from a right-hand IVO on the Rotax 447. The Powerfin
fixed the problem. It is great to climb out at a rate equal to or greater
than your best glide. If the engine quits, one can drop the nose, spin it
around, and head back to the airport and make it or almost make it. Powerfin
does not like extensions, and I did not like the locating off the propeller bolts
with the Powerfin. Had a machine shop modify the IVO extension and make
a locating insert to keep things lined up. Info can be found at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly99.html
Also, I am getting tired of washing the FireFly tail surfaces to remove oil/fuel
that has been dribbling from the air filter while taxiing back to or from the
hangar. I placed a bib inside the air filter and attached it to the Bing inlet.
The bib prevents back flow fuel and oil from falling inside the air cleaner.
How it was done can be seen on the bottom of:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly90.html
Just a few more things to do, and the FireFly will be done.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly - Powerfin Propeller & Bing Dribble Bib |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
At 02:35 PM 10/2/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
>
>FireFlyers & Kolbers,
><snip>
>Just a few more things to do, and the FireFly will be done.
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Jackson, MO
I don't think so...
You will have to find something to tweak and fiddle with.
We will wait and see.
Besides, I enjoy the updates, and the stimulating ideas, you can't quit now.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Fellow Kolbers,
Finally got something posted on my website about the Kitty Hawk and TNK
Homecoming trip.
I will post more as photos come in from anyone that would like to share
them with us.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 487 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Fellow Kolbers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Finally got something posted on my
website about
the Kitty Hawk and TNK Homecoming trip.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I will post more as photos come in from
anyone that
would like to share them with us.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>John Williamson<BR>Arlington,
TX</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 487
hours<BR><A
href"http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/">http://home.comcast.net/~k=
olbrapilot/</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>do not
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
I asked John Williamson this question but I think it's a good one for
the list as well. My plans call for the elevators inboard/trailing and
outboard ribs to be jointed together and make sharp corners. John's
plane was a quick build I think and his elevators has the three ribs as
one continuous piece with the corners having a radius. Did TNK change
the design? I tried to call Ray at TNK but he has not called me back and
I want to build one tonight.
pp
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I asked John Williamson this question
but I think
it's a good one for the list as well. My plans call for the elevators
inboard/trailing and outboard ribs to be jointed together and make sharp
corners. John's plane was a quick build I think and his elevators has
the three
ribs as one continuous piece with the corners having a radius. Did TNK
change
the design? I tried to call Ray at TNK but he has not called me back and
I want
to build one tonight.</FONT></DIV>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Did anyone catch the formation fly over on tape? I sure would like a
copy
pp
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Did anyone catch the formation fly over
on tape? I
sure would like a copy</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>pp</FONT></DIV>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
The plans call for 3 parts but like you already observed, you can build it
with one long piece. That's the way I built my FSII elevators.
James Tripp
Building FSII
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: elevators
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
>
> Kolbers,
> I asked John Williamson this question but I think it's a good one for
> the list as well. My plans call for the elevators inboard/trailing and
> outboard ribs to be jointed together and make sharp corners. John's
> plane was a quick build I think and his elevators has the three ribs as
> one continuous piece with the corners having a radius. Did TNK change
> the design? I tried to call Ray at TNK but he has not called me back and
> I want to build one tonight.
>
> pp
>
>
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> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Kolbers,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I asked John Williamson this question
> but I think
> it's a good one for the list as well. My plans call for the elevators
> inboard/trailing and outboard ribs to be jointed together and make sharp
>
> corners. John's plane was a quick build I think and his elevators has
> the three
> ribs as one continuous piece with the corners having a radius. Did TNK
> change
> the design? I tried to call Ray at TNK but he has not called me back and
> I want
> to build one tonight.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>pp</FONT></DIV>
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>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Thanks gang,
Off to the shop and going the radius route!
pp
Building King Kolbra 012
Harley Davidson Power
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Off to the shop and going the radius
route!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>pp<BR>Building King Kolbra
012<BR>Harley Davidson
Power<BR><A
href"http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty">www.c-gate.net/~ppetty</A>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
Does anyone have a picture or diagram: I'm having a
hard time visualizing using just one long piece. I am
also soon to start the elevators.
Jim Clayton
California
Mark-3X, Building the tail
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf
Of James and
Cathy Tripp
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: elevators
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy
Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
The plans call for 3 parts but like you already
observed, you can build it
with one long piece. That's the way I built my FSII
elevators.
James Tripp
Building FSII
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: elevators
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty"
<ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
>
> Kolbers,
> I asked John Williamson this question but I think
it's a good one for
> the list as well. My plans call for the elevators
inboard/trailing and
> outboard ribs to be jointed together and make sharp
corners. John's
> plane was a quick build I think and his elevators
has the three ribs as
> one continuous piece with the corners having a
radius. Did TNK change
> the design? I tried to call Ray at TNK but he has
not called me back and
> I want to build one tonight.
>
> pp
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| Subject: | Ivoprop replacement tape - Powerfin |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Like others, I have been frustrated by Ivoprop's supplier's no longer
making the older, thicker stainless leading edge tape available. The
current thin stuff is junk. But not to worry, Powerfin urethane tape seems
to work even better, costs less, and is easier to apply.
Their web page says they have replacement stainless tape, but they don't,
it is a black urethane tape, and it seems to be working great. Unlike Ivo,
they want you to clean your prop blades with acetone instead of MEK before
you apply the tape. It is much easier to install than the stainless tape.
Lays down nice, no bubbles or creases. Seems to want to stick very well.
Got in a test flight tonight, no real numbers, the radical temperature drop
changes everything anyway, but the prop seemed to work better than before.
They charged me $3 per tape and $2 shipping, not bad.
Their phone # 1-800-581-8207
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Has anyone used these (Wayfinder V6000) in an UL?
I had problems previously with a more conventional compass, as it was
disturbed by vibration and mounting too close to metal (about 2" on my
"dashboard"). Would like to avoid those troubles, and my altimeter
just broke so needs replacing too. Wondering also how long the
batteries will keep this thing running. I saw a review that said this
unit was a pain to do the setup.
-Ben
--- Jimmy <jhankin@planters.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jimmy <jhankin@planters.net>
>
> Also type in electonic compass, thermometer, barometer, and
> altimeter, and there is a lot of these to be bid on. This is on
> E-Bay.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Jimmy Hankinson
> 912-863-7384
> Rocky Ford, Ga. 30455
> jhankin@planters.net
> Kolb Firefly/447/240hrs
> Local field, Pegasus/2000/Grass
> Airport JYL/Sylvania, Ga.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wanna-be new Kolber |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
I think the original Kolb Co stated that their planes were just a bit
more responsive than other ULs. A skeptic might call this
"unforgiving", but i agree with the other post -- transitioning from
the Challenger will be cake. IMO, you'll WANT any snappier
performance, sooner the better. It is certainly not hard to fly, and I
would argue its STOL performance make it very forgiving. I'm enjoying
getting to fly my FS-KXP again after a 4 year hiatus, and I can assure
you there is a Big Smile on my face flying the Kolb again. It has some
real get-up-and-GO. Yesterday I got myself back out in the sticks
doing touch-n-goes in a set of small, graded dirt patches set up for
winter drainage. What a hoot! Big bouncy tires, no tri-gear to bobble
you on the ground, good shock gear, power and climb to jump out of one
patch and land again in the next, etc, etc. I've also been getting
myself reaccustomed to some whoopty-do wing-overs, and all kinds of
stalls (climbing, turning, power, etc). I did find that my steep turns
show some negative roll stability, meaning I need to add more reverse
aileron (up around 60deg bank) than I remembered from before. That is
a minor bark -- just something I'd call different, not perfect, and
very managable. (<45 deg banks show neutral roll stability). I should
add, my wings and wing tips are no longer stock (a bit shorter and
different tips), so perhaps in this regard I've made something worse.
Also, in shallow bank turning stalls (<30degrees), the the outer wing
drops just a tiny bit resulting in a straight ahead simple stall -- and
it is a very mild stall with extremely obvious cues. (i.e. Forgiving)
Add to all this the simple folding wing design, which can really lower
the storage costs, and I don't see a better UL -- unless you don't want
the build time. By comparison, I've not flown much else in the UL
category -- just a few of the quicksilvers (fun, but slow like a kite)
and a beaver (STIFF Popeye ailerons - not my cup of tea).
The only taildragger thing I think needs any real attention is that the
wings are at a relatively high angle of attack when the thing is
sitting on all three wheels. This means a Xwind, particularly a side
gust after landing, can pick up a wing unexpectedly. You don't want
this tossing you sideways. Just be mindful of keeping some aileron
bank into the Xwind during and after touch down -- and of course,
rudders to keep pointing straight with the direction of travel.
-Ben 'happy camper' Ransom
--- Guy Morgan <morganguy@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Howdy folks. I'm currently taking lessons (I'm on #7) in a Challenger
> II in Angleton, TX. I've been looking at planes for a while and I've
> decided to go with a Kolb Mk II or Mk III (used.) Is a Kolb a good
> choice for a new pilot? I've read some posts here stating that Kolbs
> are, how do I put it, a little more unforgiving than some other
> designs. On the other hand, I've read lots of good things about Kolbs
> too, such as climb rate, folding wings, etc. One last concern; how
> difficult is it to transition from tricycle gear to a tail dragger,
> me being a newbie and all? I am not new to aviation. I was an AT in
> the Navy for 7 years and have been working as an AP and avionics tech
> for a helicopter company here in Galveston for the last 4 1/2 years.
> I went for an intro flight a couple of months ago and instantly
> became obsessed with U/L's. Thanks for any input.
>
>
> Guy Morgan
>
>
> --Eat one live toad first thing in the morning and nothing worse will
> happen to you the rest of the day.
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Greetings
Jim here are some pictures of my elevator showing the one piece trailing
edge.
http://members.aol.com/fs2kolb/pictures/14.jpg
http://members.aol.com/fs2kolb/pictures/15.jpg
http://members.aol.com/fs2kolb/pictures/17.jpg
On the frist picture you can see the tube bender I used.
Hope this helps,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Clayton" <<A HREF"mailto:jspc78@y=
ahoo.com">jspc78@yahoo.com</A>>
t@matronics.com</A>>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: elevators
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
>
> Does anyone have a picture or diagram: I'm having a
> hard time visualizing using just one long piece.=A0 I am
> also soon to start the elevators.
>
> Jim Clayton=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
> California
> Mark-3X, Building the tail
<HTML><FONT FACEarial,helvetica><FONT SIZE2 FAMILY"SANSSERIF" FACE=
"Arial" LANG"0">Greetings <BR>
Jim here are some pictures of my elevator showing the one piece trailing edg=
e.<BR>
http://members.aol.com/fs2kolb/pictures/14.jpg<BR>
http://members.aol.com/fs2kolb/pictures/15.jpg<BR>
http://members.aol.com/fs2kolb/pictures/17.jpg<BR>
On the frist picture you can see the tube bender I used.<BR>
<BR>
Hope this helps,<BR>
Will Uribe<BR>
El Paso, TX<BR>
FireStar II N4GU<BR>
C-172 N2506U<BR>
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/<BR>
do not archive<BR>
<BR>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Clayton" <<A HREF"mailto:jspc7=
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list@matronics.com</A>><BR>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: elevators<BR>
<BR>
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>=
;<BR>
> <BR>
> Does anyone have a picture or diagram: I'm having a<BR>
> hard time visualizing using just one long piece.=A0 I am<BR>
> also soon to start the elevators.<BR>
> <BR>
> Jim Clayton=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 <BR>
> California<BR>
> Mark-3X, Building the tail <BR>
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| Subject: | Re: Heat treating 4130 landing gear/ |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Gene, The specs for heat treating 4120, or anything else, are in the
machinist's handbook...and any shop that has a digital furnace and dont have
a that book I would be kinda worried about!!!! Also, they can easily call
the company that sold them the furnace and get the specs...I hate tyo say
this pard..but it sounds to me like they dont wanna do it...
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098.
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| Subject: | Re: inside covering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Ken,
I don't have any digitized but should before to long.
Denny
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----- Original Message -----
From: James, Ken <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: inside covering
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
>
>
> Do you have any pics of the inside of your cage?
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Pike [mailto:rwpike@charter.net]
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: inside covering
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> If you don't cover the inside of the cage, you will find that it makes
> wonderful corners for accumulating dirt. Lots of corners, lots of dirt. I
> covered most of the inside of my cage, I wish now I'd covered all of it.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> At 06:22 PM 10/1/03 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
> >
> >Kolbers,
> >I noticed that Jim W. covered the inside of the cage of his kolbra. If I
> >didn't go this route, how do you paint the back side of the fabric? Is it
> >smooth enough for a paint finish?
> >
> >pp
> >
> >
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> <P><FONT SIZE2>Do you have any pics of the inside of your
> cage?</FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE2>Ken</FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE2>From: Richard Pike [<A
> HREF"mailto:rwpike@charter.net">mailto:rwpike@charter.net</A>]</FONT>=
>
> <BR><FONT SIZE2>Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:34 PM</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE2>To: kolb-list@matronics.com</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE2>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: inside covering</FONT>
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> <P><FONT SIZE2>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike
> <rwpike@charter.net></FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE2>If you don't cover the inside of the cage, you will
> find that it makes </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE2>wonderful corners for accumulating dirt. Lots of
> corners, lots of dirt. I </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE2>covered most of the inside of my cage, I wish now
> I'd covered all of it.</FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE2>Richard Pike</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE2>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)</FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE2>At 06:22 PM 10/1/03 -0500, you wrote:</FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE2>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul
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> <BR><FONT SIZE2>></FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE2>>Kolbers,</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE2>>I noticed that Jim W. covered the inside of the
> cage of his kolbra. If I </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE2>>didn't go this route, how do you paint the back
> side of the fabric? Is it </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE2>>smooth enough for a paint finish?</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE2>></FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE2>>pp</FONT>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: control interference
> Mr. Pike's hole relocation method would also be a factor if used. -BB,
MkIII
Bob,
Yeah, I would love to do Richards trick of increasing the aileron leverage
ratio to my bird to lighten the roll force, but the rear fairing does not
allow clearance to move the pushrods in. Oh well, I can get a lttle exercise
with every turn this way. :-)
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Heat treating 4130 landing gear/ |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Gene,
I had mine done at a place in LA, but they only got up to RC 42 or 43.
Brought it up on this list and John H suggested some -- included below
from the archives. BTW, I'm using mine anyway and will let y'all know
if I prang em. Have already done more "initial testing" in that regard
than I intended. ;)
cheers,
-Ben
John's post from last April (search archive on heat treat):
Terry/Gang:
Here's the web site for the plant in Anniston, AL:
http://braddockmt.com/al.htm
Here's Braddock's home page. They are larger than I thought:
http://braddockmt.com/al.htm
My gear legs were supposed to be hardened and
tempered to 48 RC, but came out of the kiln at
46-47 RC, which it good enough to get the job
done.
john h
> Hey guys,
> Any one know of a good place to get heat treating done? Or perhaps
> someone know the procedure to do it. I have a local shop that has a
> digital furnace that is used for stress relieving reground
> crankshafts
> but they do not have the technological specs for how to harden 4130.
> Can
> any one steer me in the right direction please.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report
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