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1. 02:18 AM - Re: Wanna-be new Kolber (bryan green)
2. 05:15 AM - Re: Ivoprop replacement tape - Powerfin (Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious)
3. 05:38 AM - Re: elevators (John Cooley)
4. 06:05 AM - ultrastar (ron wehba)
5. 06:36 AM - Re: Ivoprop replacement tape - Powerfin (Richard Pike)
6. 07:53 AM - photos (Paul Petty)
7. 08:28 AM - plans (Paul Petty)
8. 09:10 AM - Re: plans (John Williamson)
9. 10:20 AM - Re: elevator (John Cooley)
10. 10:55 AM - Re: Control interferences and 2003 fly-in (Duncan McBride)
11. 11:40 AM - Re: ultrastar (Bruce n' Kathy)
12. 11:44 AM - Re: plans (Paul Petty)
13. 01:09 PM - Re: elevators (Jim Clayton)
14. 02:51 PM - Re: ultrastar (Masqqqqqqq@aol.com)
15. 03:36 PM - Re: ultrastar (Pieper_Frank)
16. 04:04 PM - Here we go again ... (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com)
17. 04:47 PM - Re: Here we go again ... (Pieper_Frank)
18. 05:05 PM - Re: ultrastar (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
19. 05:58 PM - Re: ultrastar (ron wehba)
20. 06:56 PM - Re: Here we go again ... (John Cooley)
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| Subject: | Re: Wanna-be new Kolber |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
I agree with the others Guy you will love the Kolb and have no problems with
it. I took my training (USUA) in a Challenger II then bought my 1992 model
Firestar I and after a couple hours of taxi test was flying. I store mine in
a trailer and do the wing fold each time I fly. Have fun and fly safe.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 377 BRS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Ransom" <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wanna-be new Kolber
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
>
> I think the original Kolb Co stated that their planes were just a bit
> more responsive than other ULs. A skeptic might call this
> "unforgiving", but i agree with the other post -- transitioning from
> the Challenger will be cake. IMO, you'll WANT any snappier
> performance, sooner the better. It is certainly not hard to fly, and I
> would argue its STOL performance make it very forgiving. I'm enjoying
> getting to fly my FS-KXP again after a 4 year hiatus, and I can assure
> you there is a Big Smile on my face flying the Kolb again. It has some
> real get-up-and-GO. Yesterday I got myself back out in the sticks
> doing touch-n-goes in a set of small, graded dirt patches set up for
> winter drainage. What a hoot! Big bouncy tires, no tri-gear to bobble
> you on the ground, good shock gear, power and climb to jump out of one
> patch and land again in the next, etc, etc. I've also been getting
> myself reaccustomed to some whoopty-do wing-overs, and all kinds of
> stalls (climbing, turning, power, etc). I did find that my steep turns
> show some negative roll stability, meaning I need to add more reverse
> aileron (up around 60deg bank) than I remembered from before. That is
> a minor bark -- just something I'd call different, not perfect, and
> very managable. (<45 deg banks show neutral roll stability). I should
> add, my wings and wing tips are no longer stock (a bit shorter and
> different tips), so perhaps in this regard I've made something worse.
> Also, in shallow bank turning stalls (<30degrees), the the outer wing
> drops just a tiny bit resulting in a straight ahead simple stall -- and
> it is a very mild stall with extremely obvious cues. (i.e. Forgiving)
> Add to all this the simple folding wing design, which can really lower
> the storage costs, and I don't see a better UL -- unless you don't want
> the build time. By comparison, I've not flown much else in the UL
> category -- just a few of the quicksilvers (fun, but slow like a kite)
> and a beaver (STIFF Popeye ailerons - not my cup of tea).
>
> The only taildragger thing I think needs any real attention is that the
> wings are at a relatively high angle of attack when the thing is
> sitting on all three wheels. This means a Xwind, particularly a side
> gust after landing, can pick up a wing unexpectedly. You don't want
> this tossing you sideways. Just be mindful of keeping some aileron
> bank into the Xwind during and after touch down -- and of course,
> rudders to keep pointing straight with the direction of travel.
> -Ben 'happy camper' Ransom
>
>
> --- Guy Morgan <morganguy@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > Howdy folks. I'm currently taking lessons (I'm on #7) in a Challenger
> > II in Angleton, TX. I've been looking at planes for a while and I've
> > decided to go with a Kolb Mk II or Mk III (used.) Is a Kolb a good
> > choice for a new pilot? I've read some posts here stating that Kolbs
> > are, how do I put it, a little more unforgiving than some other
> > designs. On the other hand, I've read lots of good things about Kolbs
> > too, such as climb rate, folding wings, etc. One last concern; how
> > difficult is it to transition from tricycle gear to a tail dragger,
> > me being a newbie and all? I am not new to aviation. I was an AT in
> > the Navy for 7 years and have been working as an AP and avionics tech
> > for a helicopter company here in Galveston for the last 4 1/2 years.
> > I went for an intro flight a couple of months ago and instantly
> > became obsessed with U/L's. Thanks for any input.
> >
> >
> > Guy Morgan
> >
> >
> > --Eat one live toad first thing in the morning and nothing worse will
> > happen to you the rest of the day.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> http://mae.ucdavis.edu/~ransom
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ivoprop replacement tape - Powerfin |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
Bro Pike,
Do you see anything wrong with the idea of putting leading edge tape on a
wooden GSC prop? My prop has a few nicks in it as it is.
Bob
N57MB "Miss B" Mark III
do not archive
>From: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Ivoprop replacement tape - Powerfin
>Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:24:18 -0400
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
>Like others, I have been frustrated by Ivoprop's supplier's no longer
>making the older, thicker stainless leading edge tape available. The
>current thin stuff is junk. But not to worry, Powerfin urethane tape seems
>to work even better, costs less, and is easier to apply.
>Their web page says they have replacement stainless tape, but they don't,
>it is a black urethane tape, and it seems to be working great. Unlike Ivo,
>they want you to clean your prop blades with acetone instead of MEK before
>you apply the tape. It is much easier to install than the stainless tape.
>Lays down nice, no bubbles or creases. Seems to want to stick very well.
>Got in a test flight tonight, no real numbers, the radical temperature drop
>changes everything anyway, but the prop seemed to work better than before.
>They charged me $3 per tape and $2 shipping, not bad.
>Their phone # 1-800-581-8207
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious
Tenacity Farm
Campbellsburg, Kentucky
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hey Paul and Gang,
Sounds like your having fun building on your new project. Be careful or you
might take the "Butcher" title away from Beauford. Seriously, the plans on
my 1994 vintage Firestar II with 1996 revised plans (built in 2001/2002)
shows two methods of forming the corners on the outboard edges. The method
your referring to requires the use of 5/16 tubing benders. My plans also
show three methods of attaching the inner ribs-the standard "Homer bumps"
type, a method using a gusset on top and bottom of the rib and the method of
using the tubing benders. Of course the latter two are cleaner looking. I
personally used the tubing benders to form the ribs in my elevator, rudder
and ailerons.
My MK III that was at the approximate quick build stage when bought from
Jeremy Casey (I bet you remember that) and it also has the radius edges and
ribs.
"do not archive"
Later,
John Cooley
-------Original Message-------
From: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: elevators
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
I asked John Williamson this question but I think it's a good one for
the list as well. My plans call for the elevators inboard/trailing and
outboard ribs to be jointed together and make sharp corners. John's
plane was a quick build I think and his elevators has the three ribs as
one continuous piece with the corners having a radius. Did TNK change
the design? I tried to call Ray at TNK but he has not called me back and
I want to build one tonight.
pp
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Kolbers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I asked John Williamson this question
but I think
it's a good one for the list as well. My plans call for the elevators
inboard/trailing and outboard ribs to be jointed together and make sharp
corners. John's plane was a quick build I think and his elevators has
the three
ribs as one continuous piece with the corners having a radius. Did TNK
change
the design? I tried to call Ray at TNK but he has not called me back and
I want
to build one tonight.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>pp</FONT></DIV>
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.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
just wondering how many on this list now own and fly the old ultrastar?,
any good stories?,trips,"john H"?
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>just wondering how many on this list
now own and
fly the old ultrastar?, any good stories?,trips,"john
H"?</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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| Subject: | Re: Ivoprop replacement tape - Powerfin |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
If it were me, I would fill in the nicks with baking soda and then a drop
of superglue, sand it smooth after it cures, and then use Powerfin tape, it
sounds like a great idea.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 08:15 AM 10/3/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious"
><bbrocious@hotmail.com>
>
>Bro Pike,
>Do you see anything wrong with the idea of putting leading edge tape on a
>wooden GSC prop? My prop has a few nicks in it as it is.
>Bob
>N57MB "Miss B" Mark III
>
>do not archive
>
>
> >From: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
> >Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> >To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kolb-List: Ivoprop replacement tape - Powerfin
> >Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:24:18 -0400
> >
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
> >
> >Like others, I have been frustrated by Ivoprop's supplier's no longer
> >making the older, thicker stainless leading edge tape available. The
> >current thin stuff is junk. But not to worry, Powerfin urethane tape seems
> >to work even better, costs less, and is easier to apply.
> >Their web page says they have replacement stainless tape, but they don't,
> >it is a black urethane tape, and it seems to be working great. Unlike Ivo,
> >they want you to clean your prop blades with acetone instead of MEK before
> >you apply the tape. It is much easier to install than the stainless tape.
> >Lays down nice, no bubbles or creases. Seems to want to stick very well.
> >Got in a test flight tonight, no real numbers, the radical temperature drop
> >changes everything anyway, but the prop seemed to work better than before.
> >They charged me $3 per tape and $2 shipping, not bad.
> >Their phone # 1-800-581-8207
> >
> >Richard Pike
> >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> >
> >
>
>
>Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious
>Tenacity Farm
>Campbellsburg, Kentucky
>
>Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month
>(depending on the local service providers in your area).
>https://broadband.msn.com
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Gang,
Thanks to everyone for the photo's. Lots of help. The plans I have are
the new 3D format and I think I would have liked the old "blueprint"
style with alternates better.
pp
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Thanks to everyone for the photo's.
Lots of help.
The plans I have are the new 3D format and I think I would have liked
the old
"blueprint" style with alternates better.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>pp</FONT></DIV>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
One more thing. If it were a deck I were building I would figure out
things for myself. But it being an aircraft that I hope to be flying
high above the earth's surface, I want to have the assurance that it is
built right. There is one thing that I have learned about aviation. And
that is things that you think are so simple are really complicated. And
vise versa.I don't want to just built a part and find out it has some
hidden problem. Sorta like the "Vibrational torsion" thing and the
"Nitrogen Embedding" thing from chrome plating. Before I met you fine
folk's, I would have never discovered this stuff. The plans I have for
the elevators do not show how far apart the ribs are supposed to be.
Just how many. They do show a 10 1/4" space between the center two ribs.
If I space them all at 10 1/4" only 4 would fit and they would not be
evenly spaced. I guess I will just figure out the spacing by dividing
the length of the control surface by the number of ribs and space them
evenly, Right? I think I will snap some good photo's of the 5 pages of
plans for the elevators and post them on photoshare.Thanks again for all
the help.
pp
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>One more thing. If it were a deck I
were building I
would figure out things for myself. But it being an aircraft that I hope
to be
flying high above the earth's surface, I want to have the assurance
that it
is built right. There is one thing that I have learned about aviation.
And that
is things that you think are so simple are really complicated. And vise
versa.I
don't want to just built a part and find out it has some hidden problem.
Sorta
like the "Vibrational torsion" thing and the "Nitrogen Embedding" thing
from
chrome plating. Before I met you fine folk's, I would have never
discovered this
stuff. The plans I have for the elevators do not show how far apart the
ribs are
supposed to be. Just how many. They do show a 10 1/4" space
between the
center two ribs. If I space them all at 10 1/4" only 4 would fit and
they would
not be evenly spaced. I guess I will just figure out the spacing by
dividing the length of the control surface by the number of ribs and
space them
evenly, Right? I think I will snap some good photo's of the 5 pages of
plans for
the elevators and post them on photoshare.Thanks again for all the
help.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>pp</FONT></DIV>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Paul and all,
The Kolbra plans for the elevator call for 8 1/4 inch rib spacing.
The 10 1/4 inch is the length of the top tube of the rib.
It is easy to get zeroed in on a number and not see the one you need.
Remember to read the whole page and then get to the specific piece you are
working on.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 487 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Folks,
I sent this post this morning and it didn't come back. If everyone got it
but me, I apoligize for the repeat.
"do not archive"
John Cooley
Hey Paul and Gang,
Sounds like your having fun building on your new project. Be careful or you
might take the "Butcher" title away from Beauford. Seriously, the plans on
my 1994 vintage Firestar II with 1996 revised plans (built in 2001/2002)
shows two methods of forming the corners on the outboard edges. The method
your referring to requires the use of 5/16 tubing benders. My plans also
show three methods of attaching the inner ribs-the standard "Homer bumps"
type, a method using a gusset on top and bottom of the rib and the method of
using the tubing benders. Of course the latter two are cleaner looking. I
personally used the tubing benders to form the ribs in my elevator, rudder
and ailerons.
My MK III that was at the approximate quick build stage when bought from
Jeremy Casey (I bet you remember that) and it also has the radius edges and
ribs.
"do not archive"
Later,
John Cooley
-------Original Message-------
From: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: elevators
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
I asked John Williamson this question but I think it's a good one for
the list as well. My plans call for the elevators inboard/trailing and
outboard ribs to be jointed together and make sharp corners. John's
plane was a quick build I think and his elevators has the three ribs as
one continuous piece with the corners having a radius. Did TNK change
the design? I tried to call Ray at TNK but he has not called me back and
I want to build one tonight.
pp
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Kolbers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I asked John Williamson this question
but I think
it's a good one for the list as well. My plans call for the elevators
inboard/trailing and outboard ribs to be jointed together and make sharp
corners. John's plane was a quick build I think and his elevators has
the three
ribs as one continuous piece with the corners having a radius. Did TNK
change
the design? I tried to call Ray at TNK but he has not called me back and
I want
to build one tonight.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>pp</FONT></DIV>
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.
-------Original Message-------
From: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: elevator
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Thanks gang,
Off to the shop and going the radius route!
pp
Building King Kolbra 012
Harley Davidson Power
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
do not archive
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Thanks gang,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Off to the shop and going the radius
route!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>pp<BR>Building King Kolbra
012<BR>Harley Davidson
Power<BR><A
href"http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty">www.c-gate.net/~ppetty</A>
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2><BR>do not archive</FONT></DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Control interferences and 2003 fly-in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
This occurred on my 1998 Classic, but only when I wasn't in the cockpit and
the stick (TNK dual sticks) was able to move to the very limit. There is no
interference when I'm in the plane. I turned the clevis and safety pin
around on the aileron arm so there is a little more clearance between the
end of the arm and the flap pull-rod. The pin and clevis end scraped the
flap pull-rod pretty good before I caught it - it happened one day when I
forgot to secure the surfaces and the they flopped from side to side in the
wind. I haven't replaced the pull-rod since the damage was slight. I think
the fix would be aileron travel stops. I'd like to see a clever idea that
incorporated travel stops with a control lock.
I saw lots of great ideas at the flyin - I'll try to post some pictures
soon. It was great to meet you guys and put some faces with the names. I'm
sorry if I didn't get to say goodbye to everyone, but when the wind picked
up and the clouds started filling in I wanted to head south while the
getting was good. Mountains and clouds still make this Florida boy nervous.
I made it down to Martin Campbell field in Ducktown via Monroe County easy
enough, and spent the week in Murphy NC with some fishing buddies from
Jacksonville FL. Left there Thursday morning in 37 degree air, yow! I just
got home to Fort Myers FL today. What a great trip, tailwinds both ways.
Thanks to everyone attending and the folks at TNK, it was a great event.
Special thanks to Steve Green, John Hauck, John Bickham, and John Williamson
for all their help and advice. Anybody on the list building or
contemplating building, you couldn't attend a more valuable gathering to
learn and compare how other builder-flyers have solved the problems and made
the choices necessary to finish their planes. I have a list of projects I
need to complete before next year. See you then, if not sooner.
Duncan McBride
Mark III, 319DM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: control interferences
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM
<Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
> BB wrote:
> << earlier subject: control interferences, I haven't hit the archives on
it
> yet but I do have a contact between my right aileron horn and the flap
rod,
> not within normal operating range but still doesn't look right. -BB >>
>
> then John Hauck wrote:
> <<BB/Gang:
> How'd you do that?
> You are talking about the flap push/pull tube on the flap horn?
> On a MK III?
> First time I have heard of that problem.
> When does it hit? pitch mode? roll mode? or both? >>
>
> John, BB, and Kolbers -
>
> On my 1997 Mark-3 Classic, I'm also experiencing the aileron control
> horn/flap rod interference that Bob Bean describes. Happens at full side
> stick deflection - the aileron horn contacts the flap push-pull rod. Did
> not notice the interference until the airplane was finished. Built
exactly
> to plans - no mods here. It appears that if I would slam the control
stick
> to the side hard enough, the two intefering parts could bind up on each
> other, causing a control lockup. That would be bad. I hope I should not
> have to make such extreme control movements in normal flight, but ... one
> never knows. I've not yet come up with a fix.
>
> Anybody else seen this on their Mark-3s?
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Verner, Powerfin-72 in
> Cedar Crest, NM
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce n' Kathy" <n3nrr@erols.com>
I own one here in maryland.
1984 year with new 460 engine
havent flown it yet, havent finished up traning
Im flying trike, but would love to fly my US
--
Bruce n' Kathy
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Went home to look at the plans. Dang if they don't!!!! I swear I looked for
that measurement errggggg..
Bad thing is it's plain as day.
pp stuck on stupid
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: plans
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Paul and all,
>
> The Kolbra plans for the elevator call for 8 1/4 inch rib spacing.
>
> The 10 1/4 inch is the length of the top tube of the rib.
>
> It is easy to get zeroed in on a number and not see the one you need.
> Remember to read the whole page and then get to the specific piece you are
> working on.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 487 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
What a great response! My thanks to everyone for the
prompt, very helpful information and pictures!
do not archive
-Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf
Of Jim Clayton
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: elevators
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton
<jspc78@yahoo.com>
Does anyone have a picture or diagram: I'm having a
hard time visualizing using just one long piece. I am
also soon to start the elevators.
Jim Clayton
California
Mark-3X, Building the tail
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Masqqqqqqq@aol.com
I've got a 1984 Kolb UltraStar, which I bought used 8 years ago, with no
prior information on the machine.
I replaced the Cayuna engine with a dual carb Rotax 447, added Matco
hydraulic brakes, put in a 5 gallon seat tank, and designed a flaperon mechanism.
Most recent improvement was this summer, when I built and installed vortex
generators on the wing. (what an amazing difference).
Took dual training in a Quicksilver MX, and then rented a Quicksilver
Sprint for 10 hours of flight before buying the Kolb. I really like the way the
UltraStar doesn't change pitch with throttle changes, due to the low engine
mount. I've got nearly 400 hours in my UltraStar now. Going to put new
covering on the surfaces this winter.
Downsides of the UltraStar are the low prop, limiting off field
operations to close clipped grass. Also the increased take off requirements, because
you need a little more distance to get that tail wheel 4 feet off the ground
to attain flight attitude.
<HTML><FONT FACEarial,helvetica><FONT COLOR"#400000" SIZE2 FAMILY=
"SANSSERIF" FACE"Arial" LANG"0"><B> I've go=
t a 1984 Kolb UltraStar, which I bought used 8 years ago, with no prior info=
rmation on the machine.<BR>
I replaced the Cayuna engine with a dual carb Rotax=
447, added Matco hydraulic brakes, put in a 5 gallon seat tank, and designe=
d a flaperon mechanism. Most recent improvement was this summer, when=20=
I built and installed vortex generators on the wing. (what an amazing=20=
difference).<BR>
Took dual training in a Quicksilver MX, and then rented a=
Quicksilver Sprint for 10 hours of flight before buying the Kolb. I r=
eally like the way the UltraStar doesn't change pitch with throttle changes,=
due to the low engine mount. I've got nearly 400 hours in my UltraSta=
r now. Going to put new covering on the surfaces this winter.<BR>
Downsides of the UltraStar are the low prop, limiti=
ng off field operations to close clipped grass. Also the increased tak=
e off requirements, because you need a little more distance to get that tail=
wheel 4 feet off the ground to attain flight attitude. </B></FONT></H=
TML>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Pieper_Frank" <Pieper_Frank@asdk12.org>
stop sending me this stuff
> ----------
> From: Masqqqqqqq@aol.com
> Reply To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, October 3, 2003 2:51 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Masqqqqqqq@aol.com
>
>
> I've got a 1984 Kolb UltraStar, which I bought used 8 years ago, with no
> prior information on the machine.
> I replaced the Cayuna engine with a dual carb Rotax 447, added Matco
> hydraulic brakes, put in a 5 gallon seat tank, and designed a flaperon mechanism.
> Most recent improvement was this summer, when I built and installed vortex
> generators on the wing. (what an amazing difference).
> Took dual training in a Quicksilver MX, and then rented a Quicksilver
> Sprint for 10 hours of flight before buying the Kolb. I really like the way
the
> UltraStar doesn't change pitch with throttle changes, due to the low engine
> mount. I've got nearly 400 hours in my UltraStar now. Going to put new
> covering on the surfaces this winter.
> Downsides of the UltraStar are the low prop, limiting off field
> operations to close clipped grass. Also the increased take off requirements,
because
> you need a little more distance to get that tail wheel 4 feet off the ground
> to attain flight attitude.
>
>
> <HTML><FONT FACEarial,helvetica><FONT COLOR"#400000" SIZE2 FAMILY=
> "SANSSERIF" FACE"Arial" LANG"0"><B> I've go=
> t a 1984 Kolb UltraStar, which I bought used 8 years ago, with no prior info=
> rmation on the machine.<BR>
> I replaced the Cayuna engine with a dual carb Rotax=
> 447, added Matco hydraulic brakes, put in a 5 gallon seat tank, and designe=
> d a flaperon mechanism. Most recent improvement was this summer, when=20=
> I built and installed vortex generators on the wing. (what an amazing=20=
> difference).<BR>
> Took dual training in a Quicksilver MX, and then rented a=
> Quicksilver Sprint for 10 hours of flight before buying the Kolb. I r=
> eally like the way the UltraStar doesn't change pitch with throttle changes,=
> due to the low engine mount. I've got nearly 400 hours in my UltraSta=
> r now. Going to put new covering on the surfaces this winter.<BR>
> Downsides of the UltraStar are the low prop, limiti=
> ng off field operations to close clipped grass. Also the increased tak=
> e off requirements, because you need a little more distance to get that tail=
> wheel 4 feet off the ground to attain flight attitude. </B></FONT></H=
> TML>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
In a message dated 10/3/2003 6:37:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Pieper_Frank@asdk12.org writes:
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Pieper_Frank" <Pieper_Frank@asdk12.org>
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> From: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
> Reply To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, October 3, 2003 4:04 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Here we go again ...
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 10/3/2003 6:37:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Pieper_Frank@asdk12.org writes:
>
>
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> >
>
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> 03 6:37:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Pieper_Frank@asdk12.org writes:<BR>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Frank
When you sign up for the Kolb list you will get plenty of E-mail. If you
will kindly read the instructions on the bottom of any Kolb E-Mail you will
learn how to delete your self from our list.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pieper_Frank" <Pieper_Frank@asdk12.org>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: ultrastar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Pieper_Frank" <Pieper_Frank@asdk12.org>
>
> stop sending me this stuff
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
you have a pic of it, as I have a file with lots in it!,thanks for the reply
----- Original Message -----
From: <Masqqqqqqq@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Masqqqqqqq@aol.com
>
>
> I've got a 1984 Kolb UltraStar, which I bought used 8 years ago, with
no
> prior information on the machine.
> I replaced the Cayuna engine with a dual carb Rotax 447, added Matco
> hydraulic brakes, put in a 5 gallon seat tank, and designed a flaperon
mechanism.
> Most recent improvement was this summer, when I built and installed
vortex
> generators on the wing. (what an amazing difference).
> Took dual training in a Quicksilver MX, and then rented a Quicksilver
> Sprint for 10 hours of flight before buying the Kolb. I really like the
way the
> UltraStar doesn't change pitch with throttle changes, due to the low
engine
> mount. I've got nearly 400 hours in my UltraStar now. Going to put new
> covering on the surfaces this winter.
> Downsides of the UltraStar are the low prop, limiting off field
> operations to close clipped grass. Also the increased take off
requirements, because
> you need a little more distance to get that tail wheel 4 feet off the
ground
> to attain flight attitude.
>
>
> <HTML><FONT FACEarial,helvetica><FONT COLOR"#400000" SIZE2 FAMILY=
> "SANSSERIF" FACE"Arial" LANG"0"><B> I've go=
> t a 1984 Kolb UltraStar, which I bought used 8 years ago, with no prior
info=
> rmation on the machine.<BR>
> I replaced the Cayuna engine with a dual carb
Rotax=
> 447, added Matco hydraulic brakes, put in a 5 gallon seat tank, and
designe=
> d a flaperon mechanism. Most recent improvement was this summer,
when=20=
> I built and installed vortex generators on the wing. (what an
amazing=20=
> difference).<BR>
> Took dual training in a Quicksilver MX, and then rented
a=
> Quicksilver Sprint for 10 hours of flight before buying the Kolb. I
r=
> eally like the way the UltraStar doesn't change pitch with throttle
changes,=
> due to the low engine mount. I've got nearly 400 hours in my
UltraSta=
> r now. Going to put new covering on the surfaces this winter.<BR>
> Downsides of the UltraStar are the low prop,
limiti=
> ng off field operations to close clipped grass. Also the increased
tak=
> e off requirements, because you need a little more distance to get that
tail=
> wheel 4 feet off the ground to attain flight attitude.
</B></FONT></H=
> TML>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hi Frank,
You will have a lot more luck if you scroll to the bottom of one of the Kolb
list post and click on the unsubscribe link and follow the instructions.
"do not archive"
Later,
John Cooley
-------Original Message-------
From: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Here we go again ...
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Pieper_Frank" <Pieper_Frank@asdk12.org>
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> From: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
> Reply To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, October 3, 2003 4:04 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Here we go again ...
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 10/3/2003 6:37:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Pieper_Frank@asdk12.org writes:
>
>
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> >
>
> Go to this Link and follow the instructions ...
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> "DECORATIVE" FACE"Bauhaus 93" LANG"0"><I>In a message dated 10/3/20=
> 03 6:37:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Pieper_Frank@asdk12.org writes:<BR>
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