---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/08/03: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:05 AM - Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! (Jim Ballenger) 2. 04:46 AM - Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! (ron wehba) 3. 04:52 AM - Re: brake questions (Richard Pike) 4. 05:21 AM - Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! (Bob Bean) 5. 05:49 AM - Re: Rust (David & Maria Lumgair) 6. 08:59 AM - Re: brake questions (Gherkins Tim-rp3420) 7. 12:18 PM - Re: Rust (Guy Morgan) 8. 12:19 PM - Re: Rust (Guy Morgan) 9. 02:59 PM - Headset/armrest cushion (Richard Pike) 10. 04:26 PM - thinking in the rain (ron wehba) 11. 04:28 PM - Re: brake questions (Woody) 12. 04:28 PM - Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! (Woody) 13. 04:55 PM - Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! (bryan green) 14. 05:43 PM - Web site (bryan green) 15. 05:43 PM - Re: brake questions (Larry Bourne) 16. 05:47 PM - John W.s website (SGreenpg@aol.com) 17. 05:50 PM - Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! (Larry Bourne) 18. 06:26 PM - Firefly Blowout (Gene Ledbetter) 19. 06:34 PM - Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! (ron wehba) 20. 06:58 PM - Re: Firefly Blowout (ron wehba) 21. 07:18 PM - Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! (Larry Bourne) 22. 07:45 PM - Re: thinking in the rain (Woody) 23. 07:50 PM - Re: brake questions (Larry Bourne) 24. 07:51 PM - Re: Firefly Blowout (jerb) 25. 11:42 PM - remove oil mix from 582 (george murphy) 26. 11:42 PM - remove oil mix from 582 (george murphy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:13 AM PST US From: "Jim Ballenger" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" Denny WOW! Thanks for the flight data comparison. Very impressive improvement with just a little tape. Thanks Jim Ballenger Flying a FS KXP 447 Building a MK III X Virginia Beach, VA DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: > > > Kolbers, > OK, I finally broke down today and installed the book binding tapes in > the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and flaps. Well truth be told, > Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to be busy, :-) I > hate that arts and crafts type of work. > Upon taking off for the first time with the tapes I was astounded at the > change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as if someone released the > emergency brake and installed power steering. > The climb rate is close to 200 fpm better solo, the roll response is way > quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is slower, and one notch of > flaps feels like it used to with no flaps. The plane even floats a > little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much stop as > soon as you rounded out. > I ran her up to full throttle in level flight solo and actually saw > 90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing the tapes. > Now I am wondering how the factory guys at TNK were able to install > their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and bubbles? > I am going to try to locate white book binding tapes to replace these > clear ones, figure that way the prints won't show. > Sincerely, > > Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is supposed to handle) Rowe > > Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, PA > > PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 inch wide with the 1.5 inch face to face with > it. > > > > > > > >
Kolbers,
>
OK, I finally broke down today and > installed the > book binding tapes in the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and flaps. > Well truth > be told, Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to be > busy, :-) > I hate that arts and crafts type of work.
>
Upon taking off for the first time with > the tapes I > was astounded at the change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as if > someone > released the emergency brake and installed power steering.
>
The climb rate is close to 200 fpm > better solo, the > roll response is way quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is slower, > and one > notch of flaps feels like it used to with no flaps.  The plane even > floats > a little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much stop > as soon > as you rounded out.
>
I ran her up to full throttle in level > flight solo > and actually saw 90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing > the > tapes.
>
Now I am wondering how the factory guys > at TNK were > able to install their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and > bubbles?
>
I am going to try to locate white book > binding > tapes to replace these clear ones, figure that way the prints won't > show.
>
Sincerely,
>
 
>
Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is > supposed to > handle) Rowe
>
 
>
 Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, > PA
>
 
>
PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 > inch wide with the > 1.5 inch face to face with it.
> > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:09 AM PST US From: "ron wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" hey, I have some pic's of my mountain bike brakes, but for some reason my puter is telling me my default mail client is not installed??, if anyone would like to upload them to photoshare I'll email them to you,thanks ron w, ultrastar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ballenger" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" > > Denny > WOW! Thanks for the flight data comparison. Very impressive improvement > with just a little tape. > Thanks > Jim Ballenger > Flying a FS KXP 447 > Building a MK III X > Virginia Beach, VA > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "kolblist" > Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: > > > > > > Kolbers, > > OK, I finally broke down today and installed the book binding tapes in > > the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and flaps. Well truth be told, > > Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to be busy, :-) I > > hate that arts and crafts type of work. > > Upon taking off for the first time with the tapes I was astounded at the > > change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as if someone released the > > emergency brake and installed power steering. > > The climb rate is close to 200 fpm better solo, the roll response is way > > quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is slower, and one notch of > > flaps feels like it used to with no flaps. The plane even floats a > > little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much stop as > > soon as you rounded out. > > I ran her up to full throttle in level flight solo and actually saw > > 90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing the tapes. > > Now I am wondering how the factory guys at TNK were able to install > > their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and bubbles? > > I am going to try to locate white book binding tapes to replace these > > clear ones, figure that way the prints won't show. > > Sincerely, > > > > Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is supposed to handle) Rowe > > > > Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, PA > > > > PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 inch wide with the 1.5 inch face to face with > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Kolbers,
> >
OK, I finally broke down today and > > installed the > > book binding tapes in the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and flaps. > > Well truth > > be told, Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to be > > busy, :-) > > I hate that arts and crafts type of work.
> >
Upon taking off for the first time with > > the tapes I > > was astounded at the change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as if > > someone > > released the emergency brake and installed power steering.
> >
The climb rate is close to 200 fpm > > better solo, the > > roll response is way quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is slower, > > and one > > notch of flaps feels like it used to with no flaps.  The plane even > > floats > > a little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much stop > > as soon > > as you rounded out.
> >
I ran her up to full throttle in level > > flight solo > > and actually saw 90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing > > the > > tapes.
> >
Now I am wondering how the factory guys > > at TNK were > > able to install their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and > > bubbles?
> >
I am going to try to locate white book > > binding > > tapes to replace these clear ones, figure that way the prints won't > > show.
> >
Sincerely,
> >
 
> >
Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is > > supposed to > > handle) Rowe
> >
 
> >
 Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, > > PA
> >
 
> >
PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 > > inch wide with the > > 1.5 inch face to face with it.
> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:22 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: brake questions --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike A fair price depends on if I'm sellin' or buyin'... Since I wouldn't mind buying your whole rig, my idea of a fair price might not sit too well with you. Just come up with a figure and I'll sigh and slink back to my wimpy Azusa's... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 09:02 PM 10/7/03 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > >Vamoose' Matco wheels, tires, extra tires, brakes, and aluminum landing gear >legs will be for sale very soon. All are new..........sorta. Tires are >6.00x6. Anyone ?? What do you guys figure a fair price would be ?? >Lar. > >Larry Bourne >Palm Springs, CA >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB >www.gogittum.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:26 AM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean The old version Matco's had several aluminum components that are now steel. I had to put together a mix and match setup from an incomplete set. -better buy them as a complete kit because going individual parts gets a little expensive. I even ended up making one pad plate because it was such a simple item. -BB ron wehba wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" > >hey, I have some pic's of my mountain bike brakes, but for some reason my >puter is telling me my default mail client is not installed??, if anyone >would like to upload them to photoshare I'll email them to you,thanks ron w, >ultrastar >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim Ballenger" >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > > > > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" >> >>Denny >>WOW! Thanks for the flight data comparison. Very impressive improvement >>with just a little tape. >>Thanks >>Jim Ballenger >>Flying a FS KXP 447 >>Building a MK III X >>Virginia Beach, VA >> >>DO NOT ARCHIVE >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: "kolblist" >>Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! >> >> >> >> >>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: >>> >>> >>>Kolbers, >>>OK, I finally broke down today and installed the book binding tapes in >>>the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and flaps. Well truth be told, >>>Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to be busy, :-) I >>>hate that arts and crafts type of work. >>>Upon taking off for the first time with the tapes I was astounded at the >>>change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as if someone released the >>>emergency brake and installed power steering. >>>The climb rate is close to 200 fpm better solo, the roll response is way >>>quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is slower, and one notch of >>>flaps feels like it used to with no flaps. The plane even floats a >>>little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much stop as >>>soon as you rounded out. >>>I ran her up to full throttle in level flight solo and actually saw >>>90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing the tapes. >>>Now I am wondering how the factory guys at TNK were able to install >>>their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and bubbles? >>>I am going to try to locate white book binding tapes to replace these >>>clear ones, figure that way the prints won't show. >>>Sincerely, >>> >>>Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is supposed to handle) Rowe >>> >>> Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, PA >>> >>>PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 inch wide with the 1.5 inch face to face with >>>it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
Kolbers,
>>>
OK, I finally broke down today and >>>installed the >>>book binding tapes in the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and flaps. >>>Well truth >>>be told, Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to be >>>busy, :-) >>>I hate that arts and crafts type of work.
>>>
Upon taking off for the first time with >>>the tapes I >>>was astounded at the change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as if >>>someone >>>released the emergency brake and installed power steering.
>>>
The climb rate is close to 200 fpm >>>better solo, the >>>roll response is way quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is slower, >>>and one >>>notch of flaps feels like it used to with no flaps.  The plane even >>>floats >>>a little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much stop >>>as soon >>>as you rounded out.
>>>
I ran her up to full throttle in level >>>flight solo >>>and actually saw 90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing >>>the >>>tapes.
>>>
Now I am wondering how the factory guys >>>at TNK were >>>able to install their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and >>>bubbles?
>>>
I am going to try to locate white book >>>binding >>>tapes to replace these clear ones, figure that way the prints won't >>>show.
>>>
Sincerely,
>>>
 
>>>
Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is >>>supposed to >>>handle) Rowe
>>>
 
>>>
 Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, >>>PA
>>>
 
>>>
PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 >>>inch wide with the >>>1.5 inch face to face with it.
>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > The old version Matco's had several aluminum components that are now steel.
I had to put together a mix and match setup from an incomplete set.  -better
buy them as a complete  kit because going individual parts gets a little expensive.
I even ended up making one pad plate because it was such a simple item.
-BB

ron wehba wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>

hey, I have some pic's of my mountain bike brakes, but for some reason my
puter is telling me my default mail client is not installed??, if anyone
would like to upload them to photoshare I'll email them to you,thanks ron w,
ultrastar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW!


  
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>

Denny
WOW!  Thanks for the flight data comparison. Very impressive improvement
with just a little tape.
Thanks
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA

DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW!


    
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>


Kolbers,
OK, I finally broke down today and installed the book binding tapes in
the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and flaps. Well truth be told,
Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to be busy, :-) I
hate that arts and crafts type of work.
Upon taking off for the first time with the tapes I was astounded at the
change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as if someone released the
emergency brake and installed power steering.
The climb rate is close to 200 fpm better solo, the roll response is way
quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is slower, and one notch of
flaps feels like it used to with no flaps.  The plane even floats a
little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much stop as
soon as you rounded out.
I ran her up to full throttle in level flight solo and actually saw
90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing the tapes.
Now I am wondering how the factory guys at TNK were able to install
their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and bubbles?
I am going to try to locate white book binding tapes to replace these
clear ones, figure that way the prints won't show.
Sincerely,

Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is supposed to handle) Rowe

 Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, PA

PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 inch wide with the 1.5 inch face to face with
it.


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Well truth
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busy, :-)
I hate that arts and crafts type of work.</FONT></DIV>
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better solo, the
roll response is way quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is slower,
and one
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as soon
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flight solo
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the
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at TNK were
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:06 AM PST US From: "David & Maria Lumgair" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rust --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" Most primers are not good sealers and need paint to prevent rust. I had a friend who was an excellent body reapirman back in my hot rodding days and he used to laugh at the guys who drove their cars in primer grey before painting because it would allow moisture at seep in. I'm not sure if this applies to epoxy primers. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan McBride" Subject: Kolb-List: Rust > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" > > > Well, I'm back home in 90-degree, 90% humid Florida, and while I'm > feeling pretty good about it, Honey B is back to rusting. This was my > first airplane, and I thought I did a decent job of sandblasting the > cage and spraying it with epoxy primer, but there are thin areas where > faint rust is showing, and some scrapes and scratches that I have to > attend to. Some of these scrapes are down in the bottom of the cage and > I'd like to sand down to bare metal and prime with something more rust > preventive than the PolyFibre Epoxy (which doesn't seem to adhere well > unless the surface is darn near perfect), then cover the inside of the > cage frame with PolyFiber tape, PolyBrush, and PolyTone. This would > keep moisture away from the tubing and be easer to keep clean . Any > suggestions on cleaners, primers, etc., that would be compatible with > the PolyFiber products? Thanks, guys. > > > > > > >
Well, I'm back home in 90-degree, 90% > humid > Florida, and while I'm feeling pretty good about it, Honey B is back to > rusting.  This was my first airplane, and I thought I did a decent > job of > sandblasting the cage and spraying it with epoxy primer, but there are > thin > areas where faint rust is showing, and some scrapes and scratches that I > have to > attend to.  Some of these scrapes are down in the bottom of the > cage and > I'd like to sand down to bare metal and prime with something more rust > preventive than the PolyFibre Epoxy (which doesn't seem to adhere well > unless > the surface is darn near perfect), then cover the inside of the cage > frame with > PolyFiber tape, PolyBrush, and PolyTone.  This would keep moisture > away > from the tubing and be easer to keep clean .  Any suggestions on > cleaners, > primers, etc., that would be compatible with the PolyFiber > products?  Thanks, guys.
> > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:26 AM PST US From: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 Subject: RE: Kolb-List: brake questions --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 Ralph, Always enjoy reading your posts. I am finishing up on building a Firestar II, and my last big purchase is to buy the ultralight MATCO brake set at Aircraft Spruce. Pricey at 512.00, but I wanted a good hydraulic disk brake. I have already welded up neat little removable toe brake peddles on my rudder peddles. I have installed one pre-bought Master brake cylinder on one side and the other cylinder will come with the wheel kit. I guess I heard too many sad/sorry stories about other brakes. However, I did have my sites set on a neat brake unit made by Tracy O'Brien. John Williamson just replaced his O'Brien brakes with some MATCO's. He reported that he liked the O'Brien's and had no problem with them. Just that the Kolbra was too heavy for their stopping power. But should work great on firestars. Look up John Williamsons site and see the upgrades section, and you can see the pictures of the O'Brien's. Maybe make a deal for his used O'Brien's. Good luck and let us know what you will go with. Tim Gherkins Phx, AZ -----Original Message----- From: ul15rhb@juno.com [mailto:ul15rhb@juno.com] Subject: Kolb-List: brake questions --> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com I've decided to put brakes on my old Firestar. I've flown all these years without them, and about the only time I need them is taxiing downwind on a hard surface or on a downgrade with a plane in front of me. It's a little embarassing to go off on the grass and shut down the engine to avoid an accident. Can any of you guys tell me if the Hegar axle will fit on the kolb gear leg without any modifications? Do the Hegar internal disk brakes work with the offset wheel (they sell two types, offset and symmetrical)? How about the Azuza wheels and brakes, are there any problems with them? I appreciate any help I can get, as I have written many posts over the years and now need some of your help. Thanks, Ralph Burlingame Original Firestar 16 years flying it, and now want some brakes ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:00 PM PST US From: "Guy Morgan" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rust --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan"

Howdy folks. I work for a helicopter company on the Texas Gulf coast, so I'm pretty familiar with corrosion prevention and treatment. Here's how we treat corrosion, or prep metal for painting:

1. Remove old finish. I don't recommend sand blasting. You can get away with using plastic media, or even glass beads, but blasting creates alot of heat. Not good for airframes. We use a chemical stripper made by Turco. It make take a little longer, it's messy, and it burns like a SOB if you get it on you, but it will not damage the metal and it's water soluable. You just brush it on, wait a few minutes, and rinse it off. You can speed up the process by scrubbing it with a plastic brush after you  apply it. It'll take a few applications to remove all the paint.

2. Treat the metal. For aluminum; scuff it with Scotch-brite, then etch it with Alumi-prep, rinse well, dry, then chemically treat it with Alodine. For steel I use Steel-prep after scuffing. Both procedures chemically convert the surface of the metal to provide better paint adhesion, and prevent corrosion.

3. Primer. Spend a little extra and get a good aviation grade primer. It will be well worth it and your paint job will last at least 2 or 3 times as long if not more. I use PRC Desoto Fluid Resistant Epoxy Primer. They even make a self etching primer so you can theoretically skip step 2. I don't trust it though. I always treat the metal. This primer is awesome. It dries fast, covers in 2 coats, and is extremely easy to shoot and work with.

4. Paint. Scuff the primer before you paint then wipe it about 50 times with MEK, Final Wash, acetone, or whatever. You cannot clean it too much. Prep and cleanliness is 90% of a good paint job. We use several different paints because when we buy a helicopter it's usually painted with some oddball brand and it's easier just to keep it original. Mainly we use Imron, RM, and PRC Desoto. Before shooting paint, get the tech sheets for whatever you're using. Most companies have a fax-back number you can call to get them within minutes.

Hope this helps. I guess you can tell, I'm pretty anal when it comes to aviation. It's mainly because I'm the one fixing someone else's crappy paint job when it bubbles or flakes after a couple of months because it wasn't done right. My work lasts for years, even operating offshore from Galveston, which is one of the harshest environments there is.

Take care,

Guy




--Eat one live toad first thing in the morning and nothing
worse will happen to you the rest of the day.
> >
> > Well, I'm back home in 90-degree, 90% humid Florida, and while I'm
> > feeling pretty good about it, Honey B is back to rusting. This was my
> > first airplane, and I thought I did a decent job of sandblasting the
> > cage and spraying it with epoxy primer, but there are thin areas where
> > faint rust is showing, and some scrapes and scratches that I have to
> > attend to. Some of these scrapes are down in the bottom of the cage and
> > I'd like to sand down to bare metal and prime with something more rust
> > preventive than the PolyFibre Epoxy (which doesn't seem to adhere well
> > unless the surface is darn near perfect), then cover the inside of the
> > cage frame with PolyFiber tape, PolyBrush, and PolyTone. This would
> > keep moisture away from the tubing and be easer to keep clean . Any
> > suggestions on cleaners, primers, etc., that would be compatible with
> > the PolyFiber products? Thanks, guys.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Well, I'm back home in 90-degree, 90%
> > humid
> > Florida, and while I'm feeling pretty good about it, Honey B is back to
> > rusting.  This was my first airplane, and I thought I did a decent
> > job of
> > sandblasting the cage and spraying it with epoxy primer, but there are
> > thin
> > areas where faint rust is showing, and some scrapes and scratches that I
> > have to
> > attend to.  Some of these scrapes are down in the bottom of the
> > cage and
> > I'd like to sand down to bare metal and prime with something more rust
> > preventive than the PolyFibre Epoxy (which doesn't seem to adhere well
> > unless
> > the surface is darn near perfect), then cover the inside of the cage
> > frame with
> > PolyFiber tape, PolyBrush, and PolyTone.  This would keep moisture
> > away
> > from the tubing and be easer to keep clean .  Any suggestions on
> > cleaners,
> > primers, etc., that would be compatible with the PolyFiber
> > products?  Thanks, guys.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:16 PM PST US From: "Guy Morgan" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rust --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan"





Howdy folks. I work for a helicopter company on the Texas Gulf coast, so I'm pretty familiar with corrosion prevention and treatment. Here's how we treat corrosion, or prep metal for painting:

1. Remove old finish. I don't recommend sand blasting. You can get away with using plastic media, or even glass beads, but blasting creates alot of heat. Not good for airframes. We use a chemical stripper made by Turco. It make take a little longer, it's messy, and it burns like a SOB if you get it on you, but it will not damage the metal and it's water soluable. You just brush it on, wait a few minutes, and rinse it off. You can speed up the process by scrubbing it with a plastic brush after you  apply it. It'll take a few applications to remove all the paint.

2. Treat the metal. For aluminum; scuff it with Scotch-brite, then etch it with Alumi-prep, rinse well, dry, then chemically treat it with Alodine. For steel I use Steel-prep after scuffing. Both procedures chemically convert the surface of the metal to provide better paint adhesion, and prevent corrosion.

3. Primer. Spend a little extra and get a good aviation grade primer. It will be well worth it and your paint job will last at least 2 or 3 times as long if not more. I use PRC Desoto Fluid Resistant Epoxy Primer. They even make a self etching primer so you can theoretically skip step 2. I don't trust it though. I always treat the metal. This primer is awesome. It dries fast, covers in 2 coats, and is extremely easy to shoot and work with.

4. Paint. Scuff the primer before you paint then wipe it about 50 times with MEK, Final Wash, acetone, or whatever. You cannot clean it too much. Prep and cleanliness is 90% of a good paint job. We use several different paints because when we buy a helicopter it's usually painted with some oddball brand and it's easier just to keep it original. Mainly we use Imron, RM, and PRC Desoto. Before shooting paint, get the tech sheets for whatever you're using. Most companies have a fax-back number you can call to get them within minutes.

Hope this helps. I guess you can tell, I'm pretty anal when it comes to aviation. It's mainly because I'm the one fixing someone else's crappy paint job when it bubbles or flakes after a couple of months because it wasn't done right. My work lasts for years, even operating offshore from Galveston, which is one of the harshest environments there is.

Take care,

Guy




--Eat one live toad first thing in the morning and nothing
worse will happen to you the rest of the day.
> >
> > Well, I'm back home in 90-degree, 90% humid Florida, and while I'm
> > feeling pretty good about it, Honey B is back to rusting. This was my
> > first airplane, and I thought I did a decent job of sandblasting the
> > cage and spraying it with epoxy primer, but there are thin areas where
> > faint rust is showing, and some scrapes and scratches that I have to
> > attend to. Some of these scrapes are down in the bottom of the cage and
> > I'd like to sand down to bare metal and prime with something more rust
> > preventive than the PolyFibre Epoxy (which doesn't seem to adhere well
> > unless the surface is darn near perfect), then cover the inside of the
> > cage frame with PolyFiber tape, PolyBrush, and PolyTone. This would
> > keep moisture away from the tubing and be easer to keep clean . Any
> > suggestions on cleaners, primers, etc., that would be compatible with
> > the PolyFiber products? Thanks, guys.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Well, I'm back home in 90-degree, 90%
> > humid
> > Florida, and while I'm feeling pretty good about it, Honey B is back to
> > rusting.  This was my first airplane, and I thought I did a decent
> > job of
> > sandblasting the cage and spraying it with epoxy primer, but there are
> > thin
> > areas where faint rust is showing, and some scrapes and scratches that I
> > have to
> > attend to.  Some of these scrapes are down in the bottom of the
> > cage and
> > I'd like to sand down to bare metal and prime with something more rust
> > preventive than the PolyFibre Epoxy (which doesn't seem to adhere well
> > unless
> > the surface is darn near perfect), then cover the inside of the cage
> > frame with
> > PolyFiber tape, PolyBrush, and PolyTone.  This would keep moisture
> > away
> > from the tubing and be easer to keep clean .  Any suggestions on
> > cleaners,
> > primers, etc., that would be compatible with the PolyFiber
> > products?  Thanks, guys.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:52 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Headset/armrest cushion --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Monday evening, the Good Lookin' Old Poop & I were out MKIII sightseeing and each noticed a problem. After about 45 minutes, the headset cushion was getting uncomfortable over the top of the head. Last night, during a foray to Wally World, discovered that they sell headset cushions in their automotive department. They have foolishly mislabeled them as "Outback Seat Belt Shoulder Pads", but I found them anyway, and they work great. $2.96 a pop. If you wrap a piece of insulating foam around the aileron actuating tube that Kolb has misplaced as a MKIII armrest, you can wrap a Headset Pad around it and it fits perfectly, looks like it was designed for it, and is much more comfortable than the steel tube. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:52 PM PST US From: "ron wehba" Subject: Kolb-List: thinking in the rain --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" as it don't rain much round here, I was sittin' in my hanger looking at my US, and thinking !! wonder how a cage would be if made from sheet alum.W/ sides and a windshield maybe even doors?? course built with the correct structures. "nose gear" basically get away from the welding of tubing, riveted structure, I know I have been thinking way too much in the WONDERFUL RAIN. idea's guys blast away. who knows I may get onto my cad prog's tonite and play????
as it don't rain much round here, I was sittin' in my hanger looking at my US, and thinking !! wonder how a cage would be if made from sheet alum.W/ sides and a windshield maybe even doors?? course built with the correct structures. "nose gear" basically get away from the welding of tubing, riveted structure, I know I have been thinking way too much in the WONDERFUL RAIN. idea's guys blast away. who knows I may get onto my cad prog's tonite and play????  
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:11 PM PST US From: "Woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: brake questions --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" Give ya 10 bucks. If you don't like the offer you should just keep the darn things, quit monkeying around changing things and get Vamouse flying. :) > > > Vamoose' Matco wheels, tires, extra tires, brakes, and aluminum landing gear > legs will be for sale very soon. All are new..........sorta. Tires are > 6.00x6. Anyone ?? What do you guys figure a fair price would be ?? > Lar. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:14 PM PST US From: "Woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" I still do not understand the big fuss about book binding tape( Costly, hard to find and needs replacing). Ask the Millers how they do it. Simple, Free and permanent. > > 90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing the tapes. > > Now I am wondering how the factory guys at TNK were able to install > > their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and bubbles? > > I am going to try to locate white book binding tapes to replace these > > clear ones, figure that way the prints won't show. > > Sincerely, > > > > Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is supposed to handle) Rowe > > > > Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, PA > > > > PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 inch wide with the 1.5 inch face to face with > > it. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:47 PM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" Send me the photos Ron and I'll see what I can do. DO NOT ARCHIVE Bryan Green Elgin SC Firestar I 377 BRS ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" > > hey, I have some pic's of my mountain bike brakes, but for some reason my > puter is telling me my default mail client is not installed??, if anyone > would like to upload them to photoshare I'll email them to you,thanks ron w, > ultrastar > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Ballenger" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" > > > > Denny > > WOW! Thanks for the flight data comparison. Very impressive improvement > > with just a little tape. > > Thanks > > Jim Ballenger > > Flying a FS KXP 447 > > Building a MK III X > > Virginia Beach, VA > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "kolblist" > > Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > > > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: > > > > > > > > > Kolbers, > > > OK, I finally broke down today and installed the book binding tapes in > > > the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and flaps. Well truth be told, > > > Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to be busy, :-) I > > > hate that arts and crafts type of work. > > > Upon taking off for the first time with the tapes I was astounded at the > > > change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as if someone released the > > > emergency brake and installed power steering. > > > The climb rate is close to 200 fpm better solo, the roll response is way > > > quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is slower, and one notch of > > > flaps feels like it used to with no flaps. The plane even floats a > > > little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much stop as > > > soon as you rounded out. > > > I ran her up to full throttle in level flight solo and actually saw > > > 90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing the tapes. > > > Now I am wondering how the factory guys at TNK were able to install > > > their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and bubbles? > > > I am going to try to locate white book binding tapes to replace these > > > clear ones, figure that way the prints won't show. > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is supposed to handle) Rowe > > > > > > Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, PA > > > > > > PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 inch wide with the 1.5 inch face to face with > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Kolbers,
> > >
OK, I finally broke down today and > > > installed the > > > book binding tapes in the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and flaps. > > > Well truth > > > be told, Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to be > > > busy, :-) > > > I hate that arts and crafts type of work.
> > >
Upon taking off for the first time with > > > the tapes I > > > was astounded at the change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as if > > > someone > > > released the emergency brake and installed power steering.
> > >
The climb rate is close to 200 fpm > > > better solo, the > > > roll response is way quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is slower, > > > and one > > > notch of flaps feels like it used to with no flaps.  The plane even > > > floats > > > a little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much stop > > > as soon > > > as you rounded out.
> > >
I ran her up to full throttle in level > > > flight solo > > > and actually saw 90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing > > > the > > > tapes.
> > >
Now I am wondering how the factory guys > > > at TNK were > > > able to install their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and > > > bubbles?
> > >
I am going to try to locate white book > > > binding > > > tapes to replace these clear ones, figure that way the prints won't > > > show.
> > >
Sincerely,
> > >
 
> > >
Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is > > > supposed to > > > handle) Rowe
> > >
 
> > >
 Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, > > > PA
> > >
 
> > >
PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 > > > inch wide with the > > > 1.5 inch face to face with it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:22 PM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Kolb-List: Web site --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" Could someone post the address for John Williamson's site? DO NOT ARCHIVE Bryan Green Elgin SC Firestar I 377 BRS
Could someone post the address for John Williamson's site? DO NOT ARCHIVE
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 377 BRS
________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:53 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: brake questions --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Is that all inflation is up to by now ?? Sheeeeeessshhh ! ! ! Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: brake questions > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" > > Give ya 10 bucks. If you don't like the offer you should just keep the darn > things, quit monkeying around changing things and get Vamouse flying. :) > > > > > > > Vamoose' Matco wheels, tires, extra tires, brakes, and aluminum landing > gear > > legs will be for sale very soon. All are new..........sorta. Tires are > > 6.00x6. Anyone ?? What do you guys figure a fair price would be ?? > > Lar. > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:37 PM PST US From: SGreenpg@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: John W.s website --> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com Click here: http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/ do not archive Cli= ck here: http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/



do not archive
________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:40 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" For a look at Ron's brakes, go to the Texas page of my Vacation '03 website - it's the 3rd pic down............ http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/west.html . It's a neat looking setup and I really liked it. He even welded up some toe brakes on top of the rudder pedals for it. I think I have pics of those that I could email interested people, but didn't put them on the web page. Admiring Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" > > hey, I have some pic's of my mountain bike brakes, but for some reason my > puter is telling me my default mail client is not installed??, if anyone > would like to upload them to photoshare I'll email them to you,thanks ron w, > ultrastar > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Ballenger" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" > > > > Denny > > WOW! Thanks for the flight data comparison. Very impressive improvement > > with just a little tape. > > Thanks > > Jim Ballenger > > Flying a FS KXP 447 > > Building a MK III X > > Virginia Beach, VA > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "kolblist" > > Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > > > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: > > > > > > > > > Kolbers, > > > OK, I finally broke down today and installed the book binding tapes in > > > the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and flaps. Well truth be told, > > > Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to be busy, :-) I > > > hate that arts and crafts type of work. > > > Upon taking off for the first time with the tapes I was astounded at the > > > change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as if someone released the > > > emergency brake and installed power steering. > > > The climb rate is close to 200 fpm better solo, the roll response is way > > > quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is slower, and one notch of > > > flaps feels like it used to with no flaps. The plane even floats a > > > little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much stop as > > > soon as you rounded out. > > > I ran her up to full throttle in level flight solo and actually saw > > > 90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing the tapes. > > > Now I am wondering how the factory guys at TNK were able to install > > > their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and bubbles? > > > I am going to try to locate white book binding tapes to replace these > > > clear ones, figure that way the prints won't show. > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is supposed to handle) Rowe > > > > > > Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, PA > > > > > > PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 inch wide with the 1.5 inch face to face with > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Kolbers,
> > >
OK, I finally broke down today and > > > installed the > > > book binding tapes in the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and flaps. > > > Well truth > > > be told, Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to be > > > busy, :-) > > > I hate that arts and crafts type of work.
> > >
Upon taking off for the first time with > > > the tapes I > > > was astounded at the change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as if > > > someone > > > released the emergency brake and installed power steering.
> > >
The climb rate is close to 200 fpm > > > better solo, the > > > roll response is way quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is slower, > > > and one > > > notch of flaps feels like it used to with no flaps.  The plane even > > > floats > > > a little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much stop > > > as soon > > > as you rounded out.
> > >
I ran her up to full throttle in level > > > flight solo > > > and actually saw 90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing > > > the > > > tapes.
> > >
Now I am wondering how the factory guys > > > at TNK were > > > able to install their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and > > > bubbles?
> > >
I am going to try to locate white book > > > binding > > > tapes to replace these clear ones, figure that way the prints won't > > > show.
> > >
Sincerely,
> > >
 
> > >
Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is > > > supposed to > > > handle) Rowe
> > >
 
> > >
 Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, > > > PA
> > >
 
> > >
PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 > > > inch wide with the > > > 1.5 inch face to face with it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:46 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly Blowout From: Gene Ledbetter --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gene Ledbetter Folks, I recently had my first flat tire on my Firefly which will be 3 years old in November. The taiwan tube seemed to be in the early states of rot and had opened up on the side. Yesterday I was flying around my airport and on my second landing, the right tire BLEW!! The landing was smooth and fortunately I was able to keep from nosing over thru superior airmanship. Actually, I'll take luck over skill every time. I installed two new tires and tubes today and would advise anyone who might be flying on Taiwan tires and tubes to replace them before they are 3 years old since I had problems with both left and right sides within a week of each other.... I had already planned on replacing them but the road to hell is still paved with good intentions. Gene Ledbetter Cincinnati Firefly - 245 hours ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:57 PM PST US From: "ron wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" thanks larry! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > For a look at Ron's brakes, go to the Texas page of my Vacation '03 > website - it's the 3rd pic down............ > http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/west.html . It's a neat looking setup > and I really liked it. He even welded up some toe brakes on top of the > rudder pedals for it. I think I have pics of those that I could email > interested people, but didn't put them on the web page. > Admiring Lar. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ron wehba" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" > > > > hey, I have some pic's of my mountain bike brakes, but for some reason my > > puter is telling me my default mail client is not installed??, if anyone > > would like to upload them to photoshare I'll email them to you,thanks ron > w, > > ultrastar > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Ballenger" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > > > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" > > > > > > Denny > > > WOW! Thanks for the flight data comparison. Very impressive improvement > > > with just a little tape. > > > Thanks > > > Jim Ballenger > > > Flying a FS KXP 447 > > > Building a MK III X > > > Virginia Beach, VA > > > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: "kolblist" > > > Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > > > > > > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: > > > > > > > > > > > > Kolbers, > > > > OK, I finally broke down today and installed the book binding tapes in > > > > the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and flaps. Well truth be told, > > > > Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to be busy, :-) > I > > > > hate that arts and crafts type of work. > > > > Upon taking off for the first time with the tapes I was astounded at > the > > > > change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as if someone released the > > > > emergency brake and installed power steering. > > > > The climb rate is close to 200 fpm better solo, the roll response is > way > > > > quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is slower, and one notch of > > > > flaps feels like it used to with no flaps. The plane even floats a > > > > little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much stop > as > > > > soon as you rounded out. > > > > I ran her up to full throttle in level flight solo and actually saw > > > > 90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing the tapes. > > > > Now I am wondering how the factory guys at TNK were able to install > > > > their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and bubbles? > > > > I am going to try to locate white book binding tapes to replace these > > > > clear ones, figure that way the prints won't show. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is supposed to handle) Rowe > > > > > > > > Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, PA > > > > > > > > PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 inch wide with the 1.5 inch face to face > with > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Kolbers,
> > > >
OK, I finally broke down today and > > > > installed the > > > > book binding tapes in the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and flaps. > > > > Well truth > > > > be told, Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to be > > > > busy, :-) > > > > I hate that arts and crafts type of work.
> > > >
Upon taking off for the first time with > > > > the tapes I > > > > was astounded at the change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as if > > > > someone > > > > released the emergency brake and installed power steering. >
> > > >
The climb rate is close to 200 fpm > > > > better solo, the > > > > roll response is way quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is > slower, > > > > and one > > > > notch of flaps feels like it used to with no flaps.  The plane > even > > > > floats > > > > a little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much > stop > > > > as soon > > > > as you rounded out.
> > > >
I ran her up to full throttle in level > > > > flight solo > > > > and actually saw 90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing > > > > the > > > > tapes.
> > > >
Now I am wondering how the factory guys > > > > at TNK were > > > > able to install their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and > > > > bubbles?
> > > >
I am going to try to locate white book > > > > binding > > > > tapes to replace these clear ones, figure that way the prints won't > > > > show.
> > > >
Sincerely,
> > > >
 
> > > >
Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is > > > > supposed to > > > > handle) Rowe
> > > >
 
> > > >
 Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, > > > > PA
> > > >
 
> > > >
PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 > > > > inch wide with the > > > > 1.5 inch face to face with it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:16 PM PST US From: "ron wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly Blowout --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" I didn't know the taiwanian's could read a calender that close!!,sorry you left yourself open!!glad you got it stopped a-ok. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Ledbetter" Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly Blowout > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gene Ledbetter > > Folks, > I recently had my first flat tire on my Firefly which will be 3 years > old in November. The taiwan tube seemed to be in the early states of > rot and had opened up on the side. > Yesterday I was flying around my airport and on my second landing, the > right tire BLEW!! The landing was smooth and fortunately I was able to > keep from nosing over thru superior airmanship. Actually, I'll take > luck over skill every time. > I installed two new tires and tubes today and would advise anyone who > might be flying on Taiwan tires and tubes to replace them before they > are 3 years old since I had problems with both left and right sides > within a week of each other.... I had already planned on replacing > them but the road to hell is still paved with good intentions. > > Gene Ledbetter > Cincinnati > Firefly - 245 hours > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:10 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Thank YOU ! ! ! I enjoyed our visit............BBQ, rattlesnakes...........disc brakes.......... and all. Actually, I enjoyed every visit I made; all the way 'round the country. Good bunch, these Kolb-ers. (even if'n they do pick on me a little) Dangerfield Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" > > thanks larry! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Bourne" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > > > For a look at Ron's brakes, go to the Texas page of my Vacation '03 > > website - it's the 3rd pic down............ > > http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/west.html . It's a neat looking > setup > > and I really liked it. He even welded up some toe brakes on top of the > > rudder pedals for it. I think I have pics of those that I could email > > interested people, but didn't put them on the web page. > > Admiring Lar. > > > > Larry Bourne > > Palm Springs, CA > > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > > www.gogittum.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ron wehba" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > > > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" > > > > > > hey, I have some pic's of my mountain bike brakes, but for some reason > my > > > puter is telling me my default mail client is not installed??, if anyone > > > would like to upload them to photoshare I'll email them to you,thanks > ron > > w, > > > ultrastar > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Ballenger" > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > > > > > > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" > > > > > > > > Denny > > > > WOW! Thanks for the flight data comparison. Very impressive > improvement > > > > with just a little tape. > > > > Thanks > > > > Jim Ballenger > > > > Flying a FS KXP 447 > > > > Building a MK III X > > > > Virginia Beach, VA > > > > > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: "kolblist" > > > > Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kolbers, > > > > > OK, I finally broke down today and installed the book binding tapes > in > > > > > the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and flaps. Well truth be told, > > > > > Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to be busy, > :-) > > I > > > > > hate that arts and crafts type of work. > > > > > Upon taking off for the first time with the tapes I was astounded at > > the > > > > > change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as if someone released > the > > > > > emergency brake and installed power steering. > > > > > The climb rate is close to 200 fpm better solo, the roll response is > > way > > > > > quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is slower, and one notch of > > > > > flaps feels like it used to with no flaps. The plane even floats a > > > > > little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much > stop > > as > > > > > soon as you rounded out. > > > > > I ran her up to full throttle in level flight solo and actually saw > > > > > 90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing the tapes. > > > > > Now I am wondering how the factory guys at TNK were able to install > > > > > their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and bubbles? > > > > > I am going to try to locate white book binding tapes to replace > these > > > > > clear ones, figure that way the prints won't show. > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is supposed to handle) Rowe > > > > > > > > > > Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, PA > > > > > > > > > > PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 inch wide with the 1.5 inch face to face > > with > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Kolbers,
> > > > >
OK, I finally broke down today and > > > > > installed the > > > > > book binding tapes in the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and > flaps. > > > > > Well truth > > > > > be told, Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to > be > > > > > busy, :-) > > > > > I hate that arts and crafts type of work.
> > > > >
Upon taking off for the first time with > > > > > the tapes I > > > > > was astounded at the change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as > if > > > > > someone > > > > > released the emergency brake and installed power steering. > >
> > > > >
The climb rate is close to 200 fpm > > > > > better solo, the > > > > > roll response is way quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is > > slower, > > > > > and one > > > > > notch of flaps feels like it used to with no flaps.  The plane > > even > > > > > floats > > > > > a little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much > > stop > > > > > as soon > > > > > as you rounded out.
> > > > >
I ran her up to full throttle in level > > > > > flight solo > > > > > and actually saw 90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before > installing > > > > > the > > > > > tapes.
> > > > >
Now I am wondering how the factory guys > > > > > at TNK were > > > > > able to install their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and > > > > > bubbles?
> > > > >
I am going to try to locate white book > > > > > binding > > > > > tapes to replace these clear ones, figure that way the prints won't > > > > > show.
> > > > >
Sincerely,
> > > > >
 
> > > > >
Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is > > > > > supposed to > > > > > handle) Rowe
> > > > >
 
> > > > >
 Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, > > > > > PA
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PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 > > > > > inch wide with the > > > > > 1.5 inch face to face with it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:52 PM PST US From: "Woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: thinking in the rain --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" Couple things to keep in mind. Draw it out first to scale in all views. Build it to the drawing. It is a lot easier to change things with a pencil. I find it easy to join two bars of soap together and then carve out the shape I want. I can visualize in 3d better than in 2d. A curved (convex) surface looks better than a flat surface. Use the same pattern to cut left and right sides even on the top part where you will be tempted to use one big pattern. Personally I would prefer to make it out of blue styrofaom and epoxy fiberglass rather than sheet aluminum. > > as it don't rain much round here, I was sittin' in my hanger looking at > my US, and thinking !! wonder how a cage would be if made from sheet > alum.W/ sides and a windshield maybe even doors?? course built with the > correct structures. "nose gear" basically get away from the welding of > tubing, riveted structure, I know I have been thinking way too much in > the WONDERFUL RAIN. idea's guys blast away. who knows I may get onto my > cad prog's tonite and play???? ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:48 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: brake questions --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Hoooo Boy ! ! ! I get to deal with the "Thrift Master of the Internet ??" Do I have any hope at all ?? Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: brake questions > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > A fair price depends on if I'm sellin' or buyin'... > Since I wouldn't mind buying your whole rig, my idea of a fair price might > not sit too well with you. Just come up with a figure and I'll sigh and > slink back to my wimpy Azusa's... > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > At 09:02 PM 10/7/03 -0700, you wrote: > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > > >Vamoose' Matco wheels, tires, extra tires, brakes, and aluminum landing gear > >legs will be for sale very soon. All are new..........sorta. Tires are > >6.00x6. Anyone ?? What do you guys figure a fair price would be ?? > >Lar. > > > >Larry Bourne > >Palm Springs, CA > >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > >www.gogittum.com > > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:14 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly Blowout --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Was it a Shinn tire. I noticed a couple weeks ago that one of ours is dry rotting. About 6 years old and kept in a hangar out of the sun. jerb At 09:26 PM 10/8/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gene Ledbetter > >Folks, >I recently had my first flat tire on my Firefly which will be 3 years >old in November. The taiwan tube seemed to be in the early states of >rot and had opened up on the side. >Yesterday I was flying around my airport and on my second landing, the >right tire BLEW!! The landing was smooth and fortunately I was able to >keep from nosing over thru superior airmanship. Actually, I'll take >luck over skill every time. >I installed two new tires and tubes today and would advise anyone who >might be flying on Taiwan tires and tubes to replace them before they >are 3 years old since I had problems with both left and right sides >within a week of each other.... I had already planned on replacing >them but the road to hell is still paved with good intentions. > >Gene Ledbetter >Cincinnati >Firefly - 245 hours > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:23 PM PST US From: george murphy Subject: Kolb-List: remove oil mix from 582 --> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy I have a problem with my 582 dripping oil from the carb filter when I leave it sitting for a week. The mix system has always worked just fine except for the constant drip. I want to remove the entire mix system and just mix the oil myself. Is there any thing special that I may need to know before I take the hammer to it? Can't seem to find much reference to this problem in the archives. Thanks, G.Murphy / 80's vintage Firestar / Alpine Al

I have a problem with my 582 dripping oil from the carb filter when I leave it sitting for a week.  The mix system has always worked just fine except for the constant drip. I want to remove the entire mix system and just mix the oil myself.  Is there any thing special that I may need to know before I take the hammer to it?   Can’t seem to find much reference to this problem in the archives.

Thanks,  G.Murphy / 80’s vintage Firestar / Alpine Al

________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:29 PM PST US From: george murphy Subject: Kolb-List: remove oil mix from 582 --> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy I have a problem with my 582 dripping oil from the carb filter when I leave it sitting for a week. The mix system has always worked just fine except for the constant drip. I want to remove the entire mix system and just mix the oil myself. Is there any thing special that I may need to know before I take the hammer to it? Can't seem to find much reference to this problem in the archives. Thanks, G.Murphy / 80's vintage Firestar / Alpine Al

I have a problem with my 582 dripping oil from the carb filter when I leave it sitting for a week.  The mix system has always worked just fine except for the constant drip. I want to remove the entire mix system and just mix the oil myself.  Is there any thing special that I may need to know before I take the hammer to it?   Can’t seem to find much reference to this problem in the archives.

Thanks,  G.Murphy / 80’s vintage Firestar / Alpine Al