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1. 01:47 AM - Re: John W.s website (bryan green)
2. 02:02 AM - Re: John W.s website (SGreenpg@aol.com)
3. 04:54 AM - remove oil mix from 582 (Rayfield, Bill)
4. 05:34 AM - Re: remove oil mix from 582 (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
5. 06:14 AM - Re: remove oil mix from 582 (Jack & Louise Hart)
6. 06:27 AM - Re: remove oil mix from 582 (Richard Pike)
7. 06:45 AM - Re: brake questions (Bruce Harrison)
8. 08:15 AM - Cage for a Firefly (Jimmy)
9. 09:33 AM - leaks (ul15rhb@juno.com)
10. 09:38 AM - Cut N Paste (Doug Lawton)
11. 09:53 AM - HKS 700e (James, Ken)
12. 10:28 AM - Message Echos (jerb)
13. 10:43 AM - Incommunicado (Bob N.)
14. 11:34 AM - Re: John W.s website (bryan green)
15. 12:00 PM - Re: Message Echos (Gene Ledbetter)
16. 03:12 PM - Re: Message Echos (Johann)
17. 03:49 PM - chrome (Paul Petty)
18. 04:30 PM - exhaust (Paul Petty)
19. 04:39 PM - Re: Message Echos (Bob N.)
20. 04:50 PM - Re: chrome (J.L.Turner)
21. 05:17 PM - Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! ()
22. 05:21 PM - Re: thinking in the rain ()
23. 05:34 PM - Re: Message Echos (Don Gherardini)
24. 05:44 PM - Re: exhaust (Larry Bourne)
25. 05:51 PM - Re: thinking in the rain (ron wehba)
26. 05:57 PM - Re: Message Echos (Jim Clayton)
27. 06:33 PM - Re: exhaust (Richard Pike)
28. 07:06 PM - Nose Gear? (Richard Pike)
29. 07:17 PM - Re: thinking in the rain ()
30. 07:33 PM - Re: exhaust ()
31. 07:39 PM - Re: Nose Gear? ()
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| Subject: | Re: John W.s website |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
No workie workie. do not archive
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 377 BRS
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| Subject: | Re: John W.s website |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com
Bryan,
Try copying and pasting the address. I copied and pasted the address from
your reply and it worked.
Steven Green
> No workie workie. do not archive
> Bryan Green Elgin SC
> Firestar I 377 BRS
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Try copying and pasting the address. I copied and pasted the address f=
rom your reply and it worked.<BR>
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Bryan Green Elgin SC<BR>
Firestar I 377 BRS<BR>
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| Subject: | remove oil mix from 582 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rayfield, Bill" <brayfield@kcc.com>
You say a 582 and your signature says you have a firestar....
Is the 582 on the firestar, or on something else?
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From: george murphy [mailto:geomurphy@direcway.com]
Subject: Kolb-List: remove oil mix from 582
--> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy <geomurphy@direcway.com>
I have a problem with my 582 dripping oil from the carb filter when I leave
it sitting for a week. The mix system has always worked just fine except
for the constant drip. I want to remove the entire mix system and just mix
the oil myself. Is there any thing special that I may need to know before I
take the hammer to it? Can't seem to find much reference to this problem
in the archives.
Thanks, G.Murphy / 80's vintage Firestar / Alpine Al
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I have a problem with my 582 dripping oil from the carb
filter when I leave it sitting for a week. The mix system has always
worked just fine except for the constant drip. I want to remove the entire
mix
system and just mix the oil myself. Is there any thing special that I
may
need to know before I take the hammer to it? Can’t seem to
find much reference to this problem in the archives. </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thanks, G.Murphy / 80’s vintage Firestar /
Alpine Al</span></font></p>
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| Subject: | Re: remove oil mix from 582 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
george murphy wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy <geomurphy@direcway.com>
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> I have a problem with my 582 dripping oil from the carb filter when I leave
> it sitting for a week. The mix system has always worked just fine except
> for the constant drip. I want to remove the entire mix system and just mix
> the oil myself. Is there any thing special that I may need to know before I
> take the hammer to it? Can't seem to find much reference to this problem
> in the archives.
George,
I don't think that removing the oil injection system is going to fix the
dripping problem that you are describing. We do not have the injection
system on our 582 and it also drips or drains when sitting. I think the
reason that ours drains is because at a certain throttle setting and rpm
the fuel mixture will "flash back" or spray out the carb. and then get
sucked back in. However before the mixture gets sucked back in the oil
in the mixture may soak into the filter but the gas will evaporate
again. Then when you park the plane the oil drains out and drips on the
plane ;-( ! I think if the injection system was leaking it would flow
into the crankcase instead of the filter? If I'm wrong on this I would
also like to know how to fix it because ours has been dripping on the
wing for years and I just lay a rag under the carbs. when I park the
plane. -- I think the only REAL fix is to use the "right" oil the good
stuff only goes one way (in the engine) and will never leak!! ;-) Just
Kidding! -- Earl
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| Subject: | Re: remove oil mix from 582 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
George & Earl
I posted this earlier, and may be it is the solution for your problem.
"Also, I am getting tired of washing the FireFly tail surfaces to remove oil/fuel
that has been dribbling from the air filter while taxiing back to or from the
hangar. I placed a bib inside the air filter and attached it to the Bing inlet.
The bib prevents back flow fuel and oil from falling inside the air cleaner.
How it was done can be seen on the bottom of:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly90.html"
I have several hours on the engine since doing this and there has been no dribble
and no need to wash oil off the wing or tail surfaces.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
At 08:32 AM 10/9/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
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>george murphy wrote:
>>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy <geomurphy@direcway.com>
>>
>> I have a problem with my 582 dripping oil from the carb filter when I leave
>> it sitting for a week. The mix system has always worked just fine except
>> for the constant drip. I want to remove the entire mix system and just mix
>> the oil myself. Is there any thing special that I may need to know before I
>> take the hammer to it? Can't seem to find much reference to this problem
>> in the archives.
>
>George,
>I don't think that removing the oil injection system is going to fix the
>dripping problem that you are describing. We do not have the injection
>system on our 582 and it also drips or drains when sitting. I think the
>reason that ours drains is because at a certain throttle setting and rpm
>the fuel mixture will "flash back" or spray out the carb. and then get
>sucked back in. However before the mixture gets sucked back in the oil
>in the mixture may soak into the filter but the gas will evaporate
>again. Then when you park the plane the oil drains out and drips on the
>plane ;-( ! I think if the injection system was leaking it would flow
>into the crankcase instead of the filter? If I'm wrong on this I would
>also like to know how to fix it because ours has been dripping on the
>wing for years and I just lay a rag under the carbs. when I park the
>plane. -- I think the only REAL fix is to use the "right" oil the good
>stuff only goes one way (in the engine) and will never leak!! ;-) Just
>Kidding! -- Earl
>
>
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: remove oil mix from 582 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
I paid my way through college working as a line boy, and quickly learned
that every Twin Beech (BE-18) that was ever made dripped oil on the ramp.
We kept a stack of coffee cans with wire hangars attached to them in a pile
in the hangar, and whenever we parked a Twin Beech that was planning to
stay for more than a short time, it got 4 cans. One under the air intake
and another at the back of the cowl.
Moral of the story: airplanes drip oil. Don't sweat it, don't remove a
useful system, just make a catch can and go on.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 07:25 PM 10/8/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy <geomurphy@direcway.com>
>
>
>I have a problem with my 582 dripping oil from the carb filter when I leave
>it sitting for a week. The mix system has always worked just fine except
>for the constant drip. I want to remove the entire mix system and just mix
>the oil myself. Is there any thing special that I may need to know before I
>take the hammer to it? Can't seem to find much reference to this problem
>in the archives.
>
>Thanks, G.Murphy / 80's vintage Firestar / Alpine Al
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| Subject: | Re: brake questions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrison" <firestarii@hotmail.com>
Contact Greg Waligroski or look up his posts in the archives. He put
lightweight disk brakes from a mountain bike on his FS I. Seemed to work
well for him and he said they were very light.
I also have a friend who has a set of wheels from an original Firestar for
sale that have the internal drum brakes. According to him they are not
strong brakes, but they do the job for ground handling and taxiing. You
couldn't do a full-power runup with them.
>From: ul15rhb@juno.com
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: brake questions
>Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:39:45 GMT
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>I've decided to put brakes on my old Firestar. I've flown all these years
>without them, and about the only time I need them is taxiing downwind on a
>hard surface or on a downgrade with a plane in front of me. It's a little
>embarassing to go off on the grass and shut down the engine to avoid an
>accident.
>
>Can any of you guys tell me if the Hegar axle will fit on the kolb gear leg
>without any modifications? Do the Hegar internal disk brakes work with the
>offset wheel (they sell two types, offset and symmetrical)?
>
>How about the Azuza wheels and brakes, are there any problems with them?
>
>I appreciate any help I can get, as I have written many posts over the
>years and now need some of your help.
>
>Thanks,
>Ralph Burlingame
>Original Firestar
>16 years flying it, and now want some brakes
>
>
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| Subject: | Cage for a Firefly |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jimmy <jhankin@planters.net>
I am in need of a used cage for a Firefly, I damaged mine due to and
engine out and a harder landing than I wanted.
Would want one in Georgia, or the Southeast.
Anyone on the list that has repaired a damaged (any) cage please contact
me offline.
jhankin@planters.net
Do Not Archive
Jimmy Hankinson
912-863-7384
Rocky Ford, Ga. 30455
jhankin@planters.net
Kolb Firefly/447/240hrs
Local field, Pegasus/2000/Grass
Airport JYL/Sylvania, Ga.
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<DIV><STRONG>I am in need of a used cage for a Firefly, I damaged
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to and engine out and a harder landing than I wanted.</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>Would want one in Georgia, or the Southeast.</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>Anyone on the list that has <U><EM>repaired</EM></U> a
damaged <EM><U>(any)</U></EM> <U><EM>cage</EM></U> please contact
me
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
Richard.
My Original Firestar never leaks anything. If it did, I would be very concerned.
It stays in the garage and I would see evidence on the floor. I don't have oil
injection either.
Ralph Burlingame
Original Firestar
16 years flying it
-- Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
I paid my way through college working as a line boy, and quickly learned
that every Twin Beech (BE-18) that was ever made dripped oil on the ramp.
We kept a stack of coffee cans with wire hangars attached to them in a pile
in the hangar, and whenever we parked a Twin Beech that was planning to
stay for more than a short time, it got 4 cans. One under the air intake
and another at the back of the cowl.
Moral of the story: airplanes drip oil. Don't sweat it, don't remove a
useful system, just make a catch can and go on.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 07:25 PM 10/8/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy <geomurphy@direcway.com>
>
>
>I have a problem with my 582 dripping oil from the carb filter when I leave
>it sitting for a week. The mix system has always worked just fine except
>for the constant drip. I want to remove the entire mix system and just mix
>the oil myself. Is there any thing special that I may need to know before I
>take the hammer to it? Can't seem to find much reference to this problem
>in the archives.
>
>Thanks, G.Murphy / 80's vintage Firestar / Alpine Al
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Guys,
Would it be too much to ask for you folks to use Cut N Paste and just quote
the relevant portions of the post you are answering?
I mean, it's not really necessary to repeat an entire thread with umpteen
multiple postings for everyone to understand what you are responding
to........
And what is with all the formatting gibberish that's become the norm lately?
Just a request ;^)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Is anyone flying with a HKS 700e Power plant?
If so you can contact me on or off the site, I have the usual questions.
Ken
Kdjames@berkscareer.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Has other list members noticed that some messages appearing now has the
text of the message repeated twice, like an echo.
Is this associated to what the user is doing or the mail program being used?
Has this developed since Matt has added additional virus protection?
jerb
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Y'all--My ISP has some kinda major problems. Said my mailbox was "too
full"--had 98 msgs plus "several with multi-mag pictures." If anyone has
sent me anything in last three day, pls wait a coupla days and resend.
I'm on aux. site now.
thanks,
Bob N.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Thanks Steven it works that way. do not archive
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 377 BRS
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Subject: Re: Kolb-List: John W.s website
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> Bryan,
> Try copying and pasting the address. I copied and pasted the address from
> your reply and it worked.
>
> Steven Green
>
>
> > No workie workie. do not archive
> > Bryan Green Elgin SC
> > Firestar I 377 BRS
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> Bryan Green Elgin SC<BR>
> Firestar I 377 BRS<BR>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gene Ledbetter <gdledbetter@earthlink.net>
My Mac doesn't have this problem....
Gene
On Thursday, Oct 9, 2003, at 15:33 US/Eastern, jerb wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> Has other list members noticed that some messages appearing now has the
> text of the message repeated twice, like an echo.
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Hello Jerb,
Yes I have also noticed that in my mail.
Do not archive.
Johann G.
Iceland.
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Has other list members noticed that some messages appearing now has the
text of the message repeated twice, like an echo.
Is this associated to what the user is doing or the mail program being
used?
Has this developed since Matt has added additional virus protection?
jerb
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Someone posted a company on here that provides chrome plating with out
the "nitro embedding" problem. I thought I saved it but I guess I
didn't. If whom ever posted that company or web site could re post I
would appreciate it.
pp
Building King Kolbra 012
Harley Davidson Power
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
do not archive
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<META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" nameGENERATOR>
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Kolbers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Someone posted a company on here that
provides
chrome plating with out the "nitro embedding" problem. I thought I saved
it but
I guess I didn't. If whom ever posted that company or web site could re
post I
would appreciate it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>pp<BR>Building King Kolbra
012<BR>Harley Davidson
Power<BR><A
href"http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty">www.c-gate.net/~ppetty</A>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2><BR>do not
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
I have a question for the list about exhaust into the prop. I notice on
just about all engine applications on Kolb's the exhaust is sent right
through the prop.Really close! Where is the line drawn on where the
exhaust is directed into the prop wash? I am working, during the day, on
the HD and the exhaust from the engine differ's somewhat from muffled
engines in that it is a way bigger "puff" of air per stroke of the
crank. Pulses of exhaust from the HD can be felt and even blow the hat
off your head from as far away as 5 feet away so I'm wondering what
affect this will have on the prop. Also there is the heat factor. With
short headers say 8" or so, flames are present at full throttle... not
good... The exhaust pipes I am working on will be 12 to 16 inches long
and may even emit some flames but I'm thinking of pointing them
straight down at the rear of the fuselage between the flaps. Sure don't
want to burn the prop off.
just thinkin....
pp
Building King Kolbra 012
Harley Davidson Power
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
do not archive
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<META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" nameGENERATOR>
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Kolbers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I have a question for the list about
exhaust into
the prop. I notice on just about all engine applications on Kolb's the
exhaust
is sent right through the prop.Really close! Where is the line
drawn on
where the exhaust is directed into the prop wash? I am working, during
the day,
on the HD and the exhaust from the engine differ's somewhat from muffled
engines
in that it is a way bigger "puff" of air per stroke of the crank. Pulses
of
exhaust from the HD can be felt and even blow the hat off your head from
as far
away as 5 feet away so I'm wondering what affect this will have on the
prop.
Also there is the heat factor. With short headers say 8" or so, flames
are
present at full throttle... not good... The exhaust pipes I am working
on will
be 12 to 16 inches long and may even emit some flames but
I'm thinking of pointing them straight down at the rear of the
fuselage
between the flaps. Sure don't want to burn the prop off.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>just thinkin....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>pp<BR>Building King Kolbra
012<BR>Harley Davidson
Power<BR><A
href"http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty">www.c-gate.net/~ppetty</A>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2><BR>do not
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Neither of my old Macs do that.
Bob N.
Neither of my two old Macs does that.
Bob N.
do not archive
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Received: ...with SMTP id h99NnxN25743\n\t\234Thu, 9 Oct 2003...
^
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.L.Turner" <jimturner@mwt.net>
Paul:
Here is the site:
www.spraychrome.com
Jim Turner
377 Firestar
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: chrome
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
>
> Kolbers,
> Someone posted a company on here that provides chrome plating with out
> the "nitro embedding" problem. I thought I saved it but I guess I
> didn't. If whom ever posted that company or web site could re post I
> would appreciate it.
>
> pp
> Building King Kolbra 012
> Harley Davidson Power
> www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
>
>
> do not archive
>
> <HTML><HEAD>
> <META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" nameGENERATOR>
> <STYLE></STYLE>
> </HEAD>
> <BODY bgColor#ffffff>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Kolbers,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Someone posted a company on here that
> provides
> chrome plating with out the "nitro embedding" problem. I thought I saved
> it but
> I guess I didn't. If whom ever posted that company or web site could re
> post I
> would appreciate it.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>pp<BR>Building King Kolbra
> 012<BR>Harley Davidson
> Power<BR><A
> href"http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty">www.c-gate.net/~ppetty</A>
> </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2><BR>do not
> archive</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Woody wrote>
>
> I still do not understand the big fuss about book binding tape( Costly,
> hard to find and needs replacing). Ask the Millers how they do it. Simple,
> Free and permanent
>
Woody,
I am famialar with how Jim and Dondi do the tapes, however, I chose to paint
the aircraft before installing the control surfaces and decided that the
clear tape solution would be best for me. If I ever need to remove the
control surfaces, the tapes will not be a big deal.
Expensive? I am one of the biggest cheapskates on this list and I did not
think the 3M tape was pricey at all.
Differant strokes ;;;
Sincerely
Denny Rowe
Mk-3 PA
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| Subject: | Re: thinking in the rain |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Ron
You seemed to be onto somthing interesting until you got to the NOSE - GEAR
part,
Don't you know thats a bad word around here?
Denny rowe
> do not archive
> as it don't rain much round here, I was sittin' in my hanger looking at
> my US, and thinking !! wonder how a cage would be if made from sheet
> alum.W/ sides and a windshield maybe even doors?? course built with the
> correct structures. "nose gear" basically get away from the welding of
> tubing, riveted structure, I know I have been thinking way too much in
> the WONDERFUL RAIN. idea's guys blast away. who knows I may get onto my
> cad prog's tonite and play????
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Jerry, I have had a few of the "repeats" as you describe..but not from
everyone...and I have also has some of the Formatting stuff come thru after
a message..again..not on all , but on a few..kinda strange.
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Seems to me this was discussed quite a while back, and the general consensus
was that it wouldn't hurt the prop, cause it's spending so much more time in
cool air - unless you REally get extreme. If you do decide to turn the
stacks, I would think about pointing the stacks straight up, or at an angle
up, rather than down, tho'...............think of how much less noise it
will make for those on the ground, when you fly over. A serious thought for
these times. A thought filtering in from long ago............if the
stacks are too short, and you have a long overlap cam, it can suck cool air
back to the exhaust valve, and warp it. There's been extensive research
done on "tuned" stacks, and for our RPM range I think you'll find that your
most efficient length will be somewhere around 20 - 30 inches. (my pore ol'
memory's fading) Seems to me that properly tuned stacks are also much
quieter, and the concept is solidly proven. You might also look into a
"balance tube" between the stacks. In some cases they can make a
significant difference. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: exhaust
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
>
> Kolbers,
> I have a question for the list about exhaust into the prop. I notice on
> just about all engine applications on Kolb's the exhaust is sent right
> through the prop.Really close! Where is the line drawn on where the
> exhaust is directed into the prop wash? I am working, during the day, on
> the HD and the exhaust from the engine differ's somewhat from muffled
> engines in that it is a way bigger "puff" of air per stroke of the
> crank. Pulses of exhaust from the HD can be felt and even blow the hat
> off your head from as far away as 5 feet away so I'm wondering what
> affect this will have on the prop. Also there is the heat factor. With
> short headers say 8" or so, flames are present at full throttle... not
> good... The exhaust pipes I am working on will be 12 to 16 inches long
> and may even emit some flames but I'm thinking of pointing them
> straight down at the rear of the fuselage between the flaps. Sure don't
> want to burn the prop off.
>
> just thinkin....
>
> pp
> Building King Kolbra 012
> Harley Davidson Power
> www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
>
>
> do not archive
>
> <HTML><HEAD>
> <META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" nameGENERATOR>
> <STYLE></STYLE>
> </HEAD>
> <BODY bgColor#ffffff>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Kolbers,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I have a question for the list about
> exhaust into
> the prop. I notice on just about all engine applications on Kolb's the
> exhaust
> is sent right through the prop.Really close! Where is the line
> drawn on
> where the exhaust is directed into the prop wash? I am working, during
> the day,
> on the HD and the exhaust from the engine differ's somewhat from muffled
> engines
> in that it is a way bigger "puff" of air per stroke of the crank. Pulses
> of
> exhaust from the HD can be felt and even blow the hat off your head from
> as far
> away as 5 feet away so I'm wondering what affect this will have on the
> prop.
> Also there is the heat factor. With short headers say 8" or so, flames
> are
> present at full throttle... not good... The exhaust pipes I am working
> on will
> be 12 to 16 inches long and may even emit some flames but
> I'm thinking of pointing them straight down at the rear of the
> fuselage
> between the flaps. Sure don't want to burn the prop off.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>just thinkin....</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>pp<BR>Building King Kolbra
> 012<BR>Harley Davidson
> Power<BR><A
> href"http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty">www.c-gate.net/~ppetty</A>
> </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2><BR>do not
> archive</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
ok danny i'll retract that "nose gear" thingie!!I really love the ultrastar
cause of the thrust line handleing,just thinking it is time for a upgrade on
the basic plane.just me thinkin'
----- Original Message -----
From: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: thinking in the rain
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Ron
> You seemed to be onto somthing interesting until you got to the NOSE -
GEAR
> part,
> Don't you know thats a bad word around here?
> Denny rowe
> > do not archive
> > as it don't rain much round here, I was sittin' in my hanger looking at
> > my US, and thinking !! wonder how a cage would be if made from sheet
> > alum.W/ sides and a windshield maybe even doors?? course built with the
> > correct structures. "nose gear" basically get away from the welding of
> > tubing, riveted structure, I know I have been thinking way too much in
> > the WONDERFUL RAIN. idea's guys blast away. who knows I may get onto my
> > cad prog's tonite and play????
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
The "echos" are HTML. Some e-mail clients send
messages in both plain text and HTML (Often Microsoft
products, and many webmail services: Yahoo, Hotmail
etc.). Perhaps the Matronics list servers
were/could-be stripping the html content. For
Microsoft clients, you can go to Format, and choose
"Plain text", before posting, to prevent your e-mail
client from sending html. I'll submit this to the
list owner as well.
Jim Clayton
California
Mark-3X, Building...at 10%
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
You are planning to put a Supertrapp on it, aren't you? But if not, at
least point them straight up so the people on the ground have one less
noisy airplane to curse.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 06:34 PM 10/9/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
>
>Kolbers,
>I have a question for the list about exhaust into the prop. I notice on
>just about all engine applications on Kolb's the exhaust is sent right
>through the prop.Really close! Where is the line drawn on where the
>exhaust is directed into the prop wash? I am working, during the day, on
>the HD and the exhaust from the engine differ's somewhat from muffled
>engines in that it is a way bigger "puff" of air per stroke of the
>crank. Pulses of exhaust from the HD can be felt and even blow the hat
>off your head from as far away as 5 feet away so I'm wondering what
>affect this will have on the prop. Also there is the heat factor. With
>short headers say 8" or so, flames are present at full throttle... not
>good... The exhaust pipes I am working on will be 12 to 16 inches long
>and may even emit some flames but I'm thinking of pointing them
>straight down at the rear of the fuselage between the flaps. Sure don't
>want to burn the prop off.
>
>just thinkin....
>
>pp
>Building King Kolbra 012
>Harley Davidson Power
>www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
>
>
>do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Lighten up, now - The first year I had my MKIII, instead of the skid hoop
on the front, I made a lightweight nose gear with a lightweight go cart
wheel, no pivot or swivel, it just pointed straight ahead.
Know how you can lock the brakes on a Kolb, run up the throttle and tip it
on it's nose? Well, I could lock the brakes, run up the throttle, and tip
it up to a tri gear stance, and start my takeoff roll at full throttle
instead of having to start at part throttle and then firewall after I got
some air flowing across the tail. Trying to shorten the takeoff roll.
Inconclusive results (and it looked funny) so I took it off. It's still
sitting on the shelf, if anybody wants it, I can bring it to the next Kolb
Homecoming next year, just let me know. It even has the pitot tube and
static air ports built in, and attaches at the normal points.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 08:23 PM 10/9/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
>Ron
>You seemed to be onto somthing interesting until you got to the NOSE - GEAR
>part,
>Don't you know thats a bad word around here?
>Denny rowe
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Thats Denny. :-) I'll let you slide though since you retracted the nose gear
deal.
Your idea sounds kinda cool.
Denny Rowe
Mk-3, N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, 68" Powerfin F model, Leeckburg, PA
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: ron wehba <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> ok danny i'll retract that "nose gear" thingie!!I really love the
ultrastar
> cause of the thrust line handleing,just thinking it is time for a upgrade
on
> the basic plane.just me thinkin'
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Paul Petty wrote:
> I'm wondering what affect this will have on the prop. Also there is the
heat factor.
>don't want to burn the prop off.
> >
> >just thinkin....
Paul,
Just use a Warp Drive, havn't you heard? Warps are impervious to stones,
rocks, nuts, bolts, chipmunks, livestock, skydivers, Hugos, "Thunderbirds
(aka F 16s)", and all sorts of farm implements.
They oughta be able to handle babtism by fire. :-0
Just kidding, Warps really are top shelf.
please do not archive
Denny Rowe
Mk-3, 2SI 690L, and "powerfin"
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Nose Gear?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> Lighten up, now - The first year I had my MKIII, instead of the skid hoop
> on the front, I made a lightweight nose gear with a lightweight go cart
> wheel, no pivot or swivel, it just pointed straight ahead.
Ron,
Now look what we've done, we went and got the preacher saying the bad word!
Denny Rowe
Feeling giddish thinking about flying my taildragger tomorrow.
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