---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/09/03: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:47 AM - Re: John W.s website (bryan green) 2. 02:02 AM - Re: John W.s website (SGreenpg@aol.com) 3. 04:54 AM - remove oil mix from 582 (Rayfield, Bill) 4. 05:34 AM - Re: remove oil mix from 582 (Earl & Mim Zimmerman) 5. 06:14 AM - Re: remove oil mix from 582 (Jack & Louise Hart) 6. 06:27 AM - Re: remove oil mix from 582 (Richard Pike) 7. 06:45 AM - Re: brake questions (Bruce Harrison) 8. 08:15 AM - Cage for a Firefly (Jimmy) 9. 09:33 AM - leaks (ul15rhb@juno.com) 10. 09:38 AM - Cut N Paste (Doug Lawton) 11. 09:53 AM - HKS 700e (James, Ken) 12. 10:28 AM - Message Echos (jerb) 13. 10:43 AM - Incommunicado (Bob N.) 14. 11:34 AM - Re: John W.s website (bryan green) 15. 12:00 PM - Re: Message Echos (Gene Ledbetter) 16. 03:12 PM - Re: Message Echos (Johann) 17. 03:49 PM - chrome (Paul Petty) 18. 04:30 PM - exhaust (Paul Petty) 19. 04:39 PM - Re: Message Echos (Bob N.) 20. 04:50 PM - Re: chrome (J.L.Turner) 21. 05:17 PM - Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! () 22. 05:21 PM - Re: thinking in the rain () 23. 05:34 PM - Re: Message Echos (Don Gherardini) 24. 05:44 PM - Re: exhaust (Larry Bourne) 25. 05:51 PM - Re: thinking in the rain (ron wehba) 26. 05:57 PM - Re: Message Echos (Jim Clayton) 27. 06:33 PM - Re: exhaust (Richard Pike) 28. 07:06 PM - Nose Gear? (Richard Pike) 29. 07:17 PM - Re: thinking in the rain () 30. 07:33 PM - Re: exhaust () 31. 07:39 PM - Re: Nose Gear? () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:32 AM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: John W.s website --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" No workie workie. do not archive Bryan Green Elgin SC Firestar I 377 BRS ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: John W.s website > --> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com > > > Click here: http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/ > > > do not archive > > > "Arial" LANG"0"> Cli= > ck here: http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
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> > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:11 AM PST US From: SGreenpg@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: John W.s website --> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com Bryan, Try copying and pasting the address. I copied and pasted the address from your reply and it worked. Steven Green > No workie workie. do not archive > Bryan Green Elgin SC > Firestar I 377 BRS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: John W.s website > > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com > > > > > > Click here: > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/ >
Bryan,
Try copying and pasting the address.  I copied and pasted the address f= rom your reply and it worked.

Steven Green



No workie workie. do not archiv= e
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 377 BRS
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Subject: Kolb-List: John W.s website


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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:34 AM PST US From: "Rayfield, Bill" Subject: Kolb-List: remove oil mix from 582 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rayfield, Bill" You say a 582 and your signature says you have a firestar.... Is the 582 on the firestar, or on something else? -----Original Message----- From: george murphy [mailto:geomurphy@direcway.com] Subject: Kolb-List: remove oil mix from 582 --> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy I have a problem with my 582 dripping oil from the carb filter when I leave it sitting for a week. The mix system has always worked just fine except for the constant drip. I want to remove the entire mix system and just mix the oil myself. Is there any thing special that I may need to know before I take the hammer to it? Can't seem to find much reference to this problem in the archives. Thanks, G.Murphy / 80's vintage Firestar / Alpine Al

I have a problem with my 582 dripping oil from the carb filter when I leave it sitting for a week.  The mix system has always worked just fine except for the constant drip. I want to remove the entire mix system and just mix the oil myself.  Is there any thing special that I may need to know before I take the hammer to it?   Can’t seem to find much reference to this problem in the archives.

Thanks,  G.Murphy / 80’s vintage Firestar / Alpine Al

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Is there any thing special that I may need to know before I > take the hammer to it? Can't seem to find much reference to this problem > in the archives. George, I don't think that removing the oil injection system is going to fix the dripping problem that you are describing. We do not have the injection system on our 582 and it also drips or drains when sitting. I think the reason that ours drains is because at a certain throttle setting and rpm the fuel mixture will "flash back" or spray out the carb. and then get sucked back in. However before the mixture gets sucked back in the oil in the mixture may soak into the filter but the gas will evaporate again. Then when you park the plane the oil drains out and drips on the plane ;-( ! I think if the injection system was leaking it would flow into the crankcase instead of the filter? If I'm wrong on this I would also like to know how to fix it because ours has been dripping on the wing for years and I just lay a rag under the carbs. when I park the plane. -- I think the only REAL fix is to use the "right" oil the good stuff only goes one way (in the engine) and will never leak!! ;-) Just Kidding! -- Earl ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:56 AM PST US From: Jack & Louise Hart Subject: Re: Kolb-List: remove oil mix from 582 --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart George & Earl I posted this earlier, and may be it is the solution for your problem. "Also, I am getting tired of washing the FireFly tail surfaces to remove oil/fuel that has been dribbling from the air filter while taxiing back to or from the hangar. I placed a bib inside the air filter and attached it to the Bing inlet. The bib prevents back flow fuel and oil from falling inside the air cleaner. How it was done can be seen on the bottom of: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly90.html" I have several hours on the engine since doing this and there has been no dribble and no need to wash oil off the wing or tail surfaces. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO At 08:32 AM 10/9/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman > >george murphy wrote: >> >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy >> >> I have a problem with my 582 dripping oil from the carb filter when I leave >> it sitting for a week. The mix system has always worked just fine except >> for the constant drip. I want to remove the entire mix system and just mix >> the oil myself. Is there any thing special that I may need to know before I >> take the hammer to it? Can't seem to find much reference to this problem >> in the archives. > >George, >I don't think that removing the oil injection system is going to fix the >dripping problem that you are describing. We do not have the injection >system on our 582 and it also drips or drains when sitting. I think the >reason that ours drains is because at a certain throttle setting and rpm >the fuel mixture will "flash back" or spray out the carb. and then get >sucked back in. However before the mixture gets sucked back in the oil >in the mixture may soak into the filter but the gas will evaporate >again. Then when you park the plane the oil drains out and drips on the >plane ;-( ! I think if the injection system was leaking it would flow >into the crankcase instead of the filter? If I'm wrong on this I would >also like to know how to fix it because ours has been dripping on the >wing for years and I just lay a rag under the carbs. when I park the >plane. -- I think the only REAL fix is to use the "right" oil the good >stuff only goes one way (in the engine) and will never leak!! ;-) Just >Kidding! -- Earl > > Jack & Louise Hart jbhart@ldd.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:03 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: remove oil mix from 582 --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike I paid my way through college working as a line boy, and quickly learned that every Twin Beech (BE-18) that was ever made dripped oil on the ramp. We kept a stack of coffee cans with wire hangars attached to them in a pile in the hangar, and whenever we parked a Twin Beech that was planning to stay for more than a short time, it got 4 cans. One under the air intake and another at the back of the cowl. Moral of the story: airplanes drip oil. Don't sweat it, don't remove a useful system, just make a catch can and go on. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 07:25 PM 10/8/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy > > >I have a problem with my 582 dripping oil from the carb filter when I leave >it sitting for a week. The mix system has always worked just fine except >for the constant drip. I want to remove the entire mix system and just mix >the oil myself. Is there any thing special that I may need to know before I >take the hammer to it? Can't seem to find much reference to this problem >in the archives. > >Thanks, G.Murphy / 80's vintage Firestar / Alpine Al ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:32 AM PST US From: "Bruce Harrison" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: brake questions --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrison" Contact Greg Waligroski or look up his posts in the archives. He put lightweight disk brakes from a mountain bike on his FS I. Seemed to work well for him and he said they were very light. I also have a friend who has a set of wheels from an original Firestar for sale that have the internal drum brakes. According to him they are not strong brakes, but they do the job for ground handling and taxiing. You couldn't do a full-power runup with them. >From: ul15rhb@juno.com >Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kolb-List: brake questions >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:39:45 GMT > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com > > >I've decided to put brakes on my old Firestar. I've flown all these years >without them, and about the only time I need them is taxiing downwind on a >hard surface or on a downgrade with a plane in front of me. It's a little >embarassing to go off on the grass and shut down the engine to avoid an >accident. > >Can any of you guys tell me if the Hegar axle will fit on the kolb gear leg >without any modifications? Do the Hegar internal disk brakes work with the >offset wheel (they sell two types, offset and symmetrical)? > >How about the Azuza wheels and brakes, are there any problems with them? > >I appreciate any help I can get, as I have written many posts over the >years and now need some of your help. > >Thanks, >Ralph Burlingame >Original Firestar >16 years flying it, and now want some brakes > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:18 AM PST US From: Jimmy Subject: Kolb-List: Cage for a Firefly --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jimmy I am in need of a used cage for a Firefly, I damaged mine due to and engine out and a harder landing than I wanted. Would want one in Georgia, or the Southeast. Anyone on the list that has repaired a damaged (any) cage please contact me offline. jhankin@planters.net Do Not Archive Jimmy Hankinson 912-863-7384 Rocky Ford, Ga. 30455 jhankin@planters.net Kolb Firefly/447/240hrs Local field, Pegasus/2000/Grass Airport JYL/Sylvania, Ga.
I am in need of a used cage for a Firefly,  I damaged mine due to and engine out and a harder landing than I wanted.
 
Would want one in Georgia, or the Southeast.
 
Anyone on the list that has repaired a damaged (any) cage please contact me offline.
 
jhankin@planters.net
 
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Jimmy Hankinson
912-863-7384
Rocky Ford, Ga. 30455
jhankin@planters.net
Kolb Firefly/447/240hrs
Local field, Pegasus/2000/Grass
Airport JYL/Sylvania, Ga.
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:43 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: leaks From: ul15rhb@juno.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com Richard. My Original Firestar never leaks anything. If it did, I would be very concerned. It stays in the garage and I would see evidence on the floor. I don't have oil injection either. Ralph Burlingame Original Firestar 16 years flying it -- Richard Pike wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike I paid my way through college working as a line boy, and quickly learned that every Twin Beech (BE-18) that was ever made dripped oil on the ramp. We kept a stack of coffee cans with wire hangars attached to them in a pile in the hangar, and whenever we parked a Twin Beech that was planning to stay for more than a short time, it got 4 cans. One under the air intake and another at the back of the cowl. Moral of the story: airplanes drip oil. Don't sweat it, don't remove a useful system, just make a catch can and go on. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 07:25 PM 10/8/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy > > >I have a problem with my 582 dripping oil from the carb filter when I leave >it sitting for a week. The mix system has always worked just fine except >for the constant drip. I want to remove the entire mix system and just mix >the oil myself. Is there any thing special that I may need to know before I >take the hammer to it? Can't seem to find much reference to this problem >in the archives. > >Thanks, G.Murphy / 80's vintage Firestar / Alpine Al ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:08 AM PST US From: "Doug Lawton" Subject: Kolb-List: Cut N Paste --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" Guys, Would it be too much to ask for you folks to use Cut N Paste and just quote the relevant portions of the post you are answering? I mean, it's not really necessary to repeat an entire thread with umpteen multiple postings for everyone to understand what you are responding to........ And what is with all the formatting gibberish that's become the norm lately? Just a request ;^) Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:52 AM PST US From: "James, Ken" Subject: Kolb-List: HKS 700e --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" Is anyone flying with a HKS 700e Power plant? If so you can contact me on or off the site, I have the usual questions. Ken Kdjames@berkscareer.com HKS 700e

Is anyone flying with a HKS 700e Power plant?

If so you can contact me on or off the site, I have the usual questions.

Ken

Kdjames@berkscareer.com

________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:08 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Kolb-List: Message Echos --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Has other list members noticed that some messages appearing now has the text of the message repeated twice, like an echo. Is this associated to what the user is doing or the mail program being used? Has this developed since Matt has added additional virus protection? jerb ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:29 AM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Kolb-List: Incommunicado --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." Y'all--My ISP has some kinda major problems. Said my mailbox was "too full"--had 98 msgs plus "several with multi-mag pictures." If anyone has sent me anything in last three day, pls wait a coupla days and resend. I'm on aux. site now. thanks, Bob N. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:58 AM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: John W.s website --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" Thanks Steven it works that way. do not archive Bryan Green Elgin SC Firestar I 377 BRS ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: John W.s website > --> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com > > > Bryan, > Try copying and pasting the address. I copied and pasted the address from > your reply and it worked. > > Steven Green > > > > No workie workie. do not archive > > Bryan Green Elgin SC > > Firestar I 377 BRS > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Subject: Kolb-List: John W.s website > > > > > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com > > > > > > > > > Click here: > > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/ > > > > > "Arial" LANG"0">
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> > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Message Echos From: Gene Ledbetter --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gene Ledbetter My Mac doesn't have this problem.... Gene On Thursday, Oct 9, 2003, at 15:33 US/Eastern, jerb wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > > Has other list members noticed that some messages appearing now has the > text of the message repeated twice, like an echo. > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:45 PM PST US From: "Johann" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Message Echos --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Johann" Hello Jerb, Yes I have also noticed that in my mail. Do not archive. Johann G. Iceland. --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Has other list members noticed that some messages appearing now has the text of the message repeated twice, like an echo. Is this associated to what the user is doing or the mail program being used? Has this developed since Matt has added additional virus protection? jerb ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:47 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: chrome --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Kolbers, Someone posted a company on here that provides chrome plating with out the "nitro embedding" problem. I thought I saved it but I guess I didn't. If whom ever posted that company or web site could re post I would appreciate it. pp Building King Kolbra 012 Harley Davidson Power www.c-gate.net/~ppetty do not archive
Kolbers,
Someone posted a company on here that provides chrome plating with out the "nitro embedding" problem. I thought I saved it but I guess I didn't. If whom ever posted that company or web site could re post I would appreciate it.
 
pp
Building King Kolbra 012
Harley Davidson Power
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
 

do not archive
________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:41 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: exhaust --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Kolbers, I have a question for the list about exhaust into the prop. I notice on just about all engine applications on Kolb's the exhaust is sent right through the prop.Really close! Where is the line drawn on where the exhaust is directed into the prop wash? I am working, during the day, on the HD and the exhaust from the engine differ's somewhat from muffled engines in that it is a way bigger "puff" of air per stroke of the crank. Pulses of exhaust from the HD can be felt and even blow the hat off your head from as far away as 5 feet away so I'm wondering what affect this will have on the prop. Also there is the heat factor. With short headers say 8" or so, flames are present at full throttle... not good... The exhaust pipes I am working on will be 12 to 16 inches long and may even emit some flames but I'm thinking of pointing them straight down at the rear of the fuselage between the flaps. Sure don't want to burn the prop off. just thinkin.... pp Building King Kolbra 012 Harley Davidson Power www.c-gate.net/~ppetty do not archive
Kolbers,
I have a question for the list about exhaust into the prop. I notice on just about all engine applications on Kolb's the exhaust is sent right through the prop.Really close!  Where is the line drawn on where the exhaust is directed into the prop wash? I am working, during the day, on the HD and the exhaust from the engine differ's somewhat from muffled engines in that it is a way bigger "puff" of air per stroke of the crank. Pulses of exhaust from the HD can be felt and even blow the hat off your head from as far away as 5 feet away so I'm wondering what affect this will have on the prop. Also there is the heat factor. With short headers say 8" or so, flames are present at full throttle... not good... The exhaust pipes I am working on will be 12 to 16 inches long and  may even emit some flames but I'm thinking of pointing them straight down at the rear of the fuselage between the flaps. Sure don't want to burn the prop off.
 
just thinkin....
 
pp
Building King Kolbra 012
Harley Davidson Power
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
 

do not archive
________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:29 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Message Echos --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." Neither of my old Macs do that. Bob N. Neither of my two old Macs does that. Bob N. do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:07 PM PST US From: "J.L.Turner" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: chrome Received: ...with SMTP id h99NnxN25743\n\t\234Thu, 9 Oct 2003... ^ --> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.L.Turner" Paul: Here is the site: www.spraychrome.com Jim Turner 377 Firestar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: chrome > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > > Kolbers, > Someone posted a company on here that provides chrome plating with out > the "nitro embedding" problem. I thought I saved it but I guess I > didn't. If whom ever posted that company or web site could re post I > would appreciate it. > > pp > Building King Kolbra 012 > Harley Davidson Power > www.c-gate.net/~ppetty > > > do not archive > > > > > > >
Kolbers,
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Someone posted a company on here that > provides > chrome plating with out the "nitro embedding" problem. I thought I saved > it but > I guess I didn't. If whom ever posted that company or web site could re > post I > would appreciate it.
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Building King Kolbra > 012
Harley Davidson > Power
href"http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty">www.c-gate.net/~ppetty >
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> > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:18 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Woody wrote> > > I still do not understand the big fuss about book binding tape( Costly, > hard to find and needs replacing). Ask the Millers how they do it. Simple, > Free and permanent > Woody, I am famialar with how Jim and Dondi do the tapes, however, I chose to paint the aircraft before installing the control surfaces and decided that the clear tape solution would be best for me. If I ever need to remove the control surfaces, the tapes will not be a big deal. Expensive? I am one of the biggest cheapskates on this list and I did not think the 3M tape was pricey at all. Differant strokes ;;; Sincerely Denny Rowe Mk-3 PA ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:44 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: thinking in the rain --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron You seemed to be onto somthing interesting until you got to the NOSE - GEAR part, Don't you know thats a bad word around here? Denny rowe > do not archive > as it don't rain much round here, I was sittin' in my hanger looking at > my US, and thinking !! wonder how a cage would be if made from sheet > alum.W/ sides and a windshield maybe even doors?? course built with the > correct structures. "nose gear" basically get away from the welding of > tubing, riveted structure, I know I have been thinking way too much in > the WONDERFUL RAIN. idea's guys blast away. who knows I may get onto my > cad prog's tonite and play???? ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:24 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Message Echos --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Jerry, I have had a few of the "repeats" as you describe..but not from everyone...and I have also has some of the Formatting stuff come thru after a message..again..not on all , but on a few..kinda strange. http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Don Gherardini- FireFly 098 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:08 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: exhaust --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Seems to me this was discussed quite a while back, and the general consensus was that it wouldn't hurt the prop, cause it's spending so much more time in cool air - unless you REally get extreme. If you do decide to turn the stacks, I would think about pointing the stacks straight up, or at an angle up, rather than down, tho'...............think of how much less noise it will make for those on the ground, when you fly over. A serious thought for these times. A thought filtering in from long ago............if the stacks are too short, and you have a long overlap cam, it can suck cool air back to the exhaust valve, and warp it. There's been extensive research done on "tuned" stacks, and for our RPM range I think you'll find that your most efficient length will be somewhere around 20 - 30 inches. (my pore ol' memory's fading) Seems to me that properly tuned stacks are also much quieter, and the concept is solidly proven. You might also look into a "balance tube" between the stacks. In some cases they can make a significant difference. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: exhaust > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > > Kolbers, > I have a question for the list about exhaust into the prop. I notice on > just about all engine applications on Kolb's the exhaust is sent right > through the prop.Really close! Where is the line drawn on where the > exhaust is directed into the prop wash? I am working, during the day, on > the HD and the exhaust from the engine differ's somewhat from muffled > engines in that it is a way bigger "puff" of air per stroke of the > crank. Pulses of exhaust from the HD can be felt and even blow the hat > off your head from as far away as 5 feet away so I'm wondering what > affect this will have on the prop. Also there is the heat factor. With > short headers say 8" or so, flames are present at full throttle... not > good... The exhaust pipes I am working on will be 12 to 16 inches long > and may even emit some flames but I'm thinking of pointing them > straight down at the rear of the fuselage between the flaps. Sure don't > want to burn the prop off. > > just thinkin.... > > pp > Building King Kolbra 012 > Harley Davidson Power > www.c-gate.net/~ppetty > > > do not archive > > > > > > >
Kolbers,
>
I have a question for the list about > exhaust into > the prop. I notice on just about all engine applications on Kolb's the > exhaust > is sent right through the prop.Really close!  Where is the line > drawn on > where the exhaust is directed into the prop wash? I am working, during > the day, > on the HD and the exhaust from the engine differ's somewhat from muffled > engines > in that it is a way bigger "puff" of air per stroke of the crank. Pulses > of > exhaust from the HD can be felt and even blow the hat off your head from > as far > away as 5 feet away so I'm wondering what affect this will have on the > prop. > Also there is the heat factor. With short headers say 8" or so, flames > are > present at full throttle... not good... The exhaust pipes I am working > on will > be 12 to 16 inches long and  may even emit some flames but > I'm thinking of pointing them straight down at the rear of the > fuselage > between the flaps. Sure don't want to burn the prop off.
>
 
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Building King Kolbra > 012
Harley Davidson > Power
href"http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty">www.c-gate.net/~ppetty >
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> > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:36 PM PST US From: "ron wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: thinking in the rain --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" ok danny i'll retract that "nose gear" thingie!!I really love the ultrastar cause of the thrust line handleing,just thinking it is time for a upgrade on the basic plane.just me thinkin' ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: thinking in the rain > --> Kolb-List message posted by: > > Ron > You seemed to be onto somthing interesting until you got to the NOSE - GEAR > part, > Don't you know thats a bad word around here? > Denny rowe > > do not archive > > as it don't rain much round here, I was sittin' in my hanger looking at > > my US, and thinking !! wonder how a cage would be if made from sheet > > alum.W/ sides and a windshield maybe even doors?? course built with the > > correct structures. "nose gear" basically get away from the welding of > > tubing, riveted structure, I know I have been thinking way too much in > > the WONDERFUL RAIN. idea's guys blast away. who knows I may get onto my > > cad prog's tonite and play???? > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:40 PM PST US From: Jim Clayton Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Message Echos --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton The "echos" are HTML. Some e-mail clients send messages in both plain text and HTML (Often Microsoft products, and many webmail services: Yahoo, Hotmail etc.). Perhaps the Matronics list servers were/could-be stripping the html content. For Microsoft clients, you can go to Format, and choose "Plain text", before posting, to prevent your e-mail client from sending html. I'll submit this to the list owner as well. Jim Clayton California Mark-3X, Building...at 10% ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:57 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: exhaust --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike You are planning to put a Supertrapp on it, aren't you? But if not, at least point them straight up so the people on the ground have one less noisy airplane to curse. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 06:34 PM 10/9/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > >Kolbers, >I have a question for the list about exhaust into the prop. I notice on >just about all engine applications on Kolb's the exhaust is sent right >through the prop.Really close! Where is the line drawn on where the >exhaust is directed into the prop wash? I am working, during the day, on >the HD and the exhaust from the engine differ's somewhat from muffled >engines in that it is a way bigger "puff" of air per stroke of the >crank. Pulses of exhaust from the HD can be felt and even blow the hat >off your head from as far away as 5 feet away so I'm wondering what >affect this will have on the prop. Also there is the heat factor. With >short headers say 8" or so, flames are present at full throttle... not >good... The exhaust pipes I am working on will be 12 to 16 inches long >and may even emit some flames but I'm thinking of pointing them >straight down at the rear of the fuselage between the flaps. Sure don't >want to burn the prop off. > >just thinkin.... > >pp >Building King Kolbra 012 >Harley Davidson Power >www.c-gate.net/~ppetty > > >do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:10 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Nose Gear? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Lighten up, now - The first year I had my MKIII, instead of the skid hoop on the front, I made a lightweight nose gear with a lightweight go cart wheel, no pivot or swivel, it just pointed straight ahead. Know how you can lock the brakes on a Kolb, run up the throttle and tip it on it's nose? Well, I could lock the brakes, run up the throttle, and tip it up to a tri gear stance, and start my takeoff roll at full throttle instead of having to start at part throttle and then firewall after I got some air flowing across the tail. Trying to shorten the takeoff roll. Inconclusive results (and it looked funny) so I took it off. It's still sitting on the shelf, if anybody wants it, I can bring it to the next Kolb Homecoming next year, just let me know. It even has the pitot tube and static air ports built in, and attaches at the normal points. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 08:23 PM 10/9/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: > >Ron >You seemed to be onto somthing interesting until you got to the NOSE - GEAR >part, >Don't you know thats a bad word around here? >Denny rowe ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:58 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: thinking in the rain --> Kolb-List message posted by: Thats Denny. :-) I'll let you slide though since you retracted the nose gear deal. Your idea sounds kinda cool. Denny Rowe Mk-3, N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, 68" Powerfin F model, Leeckburg, PA do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: ron wehba > ok danny i'll retract that "nose gear" thingie!!I really love the ultrastar > cause of the thrust line handleing,just thinking it is time for a upgrade on > the basic plane.just me thinkin' ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:00 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: exhaust --> Kolb-List message posted by: Paul Petty wrote: > I'm wondering what affect this will have on the prop. Also there is the heat factor. >don't want to burn the prop off. > > > >just thinkin.... Paul, Just use a Warp Drive, havn't you heard? Warps are impervious to stones, rocks, nuts, bolts, chipmunks, livestock, skydivers, Hugos, "Thunderbirds (aka F 16s)", and all sorts of farm implements. They oughta be able to handle babtism by fire. :-0 Just kidding, Warps really are top shelf. please do not archive Denny Rowe Mk-3, 2SI 690L, and "powerfin" ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:10 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Nose Gear? --> Kolb-List message posted by: ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Nose Gear? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > Lighten up, now - The first year I had my MKIII, instead of the skid hoop > on the front, I made a lightweight nose gear with a lightweight go cart > wheel, no pivot or swivel, it just pointed straight ahead. Ron, Now look what we've done, we went and got the preacher saying the bad word! Denny Rowe Feeling giddish thinking about flying my taildragger tomorrow. do not archive