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     1. 03:58 AM - giberish included in many posts?  (Airgriff2@aol.com)
     2. 04:31 AM - Re: {Spam?} giberish included in many posts?  (ron wehba)
     3. 07:03 AM -  Another one of my ramblings :-) Zenair Arirfoil  (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com)
     4. 07:22 AM - Re: giberish included in many posts?  (Larry Bourne)
     5. 07:33 AM - Re: Another one of my ramblings :-) Zenair Arirfoil  (Larry Bourne)
     6. 08:02 AM - Re: Zenair Airfoil  (Jack & Louise Hart)
     7. 09:12 AM - Fall Flying  (John Williamson)
     8. 09:58 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 10/09/03  (ALEMBIC7@aol.com)
     9. 11:33 AM - Re: Another one of my ramblings :-) Zenair Arirfoil  (Richard Pike)
    10. 12:00 PM - Re: Another one of my ramblings :-) Zenair Arirfoil  (James, Ken)
    11. 12:41 PM - Re: Another one of my ramblings :-) Zenair Arirfoil  (John Cooley)
    12. 12:58 PM - Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW!  (Ben Ransom)
    13. 02:12 PM - Re: Another one of my ramblings :-) Zenair Arirfoil  (Richard Pike)
    14. 04:21 PM - October Experimenter  (Paul Petty)
    15. 05:25 PM - Pickin' on tha new guy  (Paul Petty)
    16. 05:37 PM - ps  (Paul Petty)
    17. 06:19 PM - Re: ps  (Beauford)
    18. 07:01 PM - Re: Pickin' on tha new guy  (Richard Harris)
    19. 07:21 PM - Re: Heat treating 4130 landing gear/  (Richard Harris)
    20. 07:34 PM - Re: Heat treating 4130 landing gear/  (Bob N.)
    21. 07:48 PM - Re: Pickin' on tha new guy  (Richard Pike)
    22. 08:24 PM - Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW!  ()
    23. 08:30 PM - Re: October Experimenter  ()
    24. 08:35 PM - Re: Pickin' on tha new guy  ()
    25. 08:52 PM - Head set cushion  ()
    26. 09:07 PM - Keyed up  ()
    27. 09:25 PM - Re: brake questions  (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
    28. 10:10 PM - Re: brake questions  (Richard Pike)
 
 
 
________________________________  Message 1  _____________________________________


Time: 03:58:54 AM PST US
From: Airgriff2@aol.com
Subject: Kolb-List: giberish included in many posts?

--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com


> Below is just a piece of a post, typicle of what I have been recieving 
> lately. Is there something we are doing wrong or a way to clean this up? Also
I 
> think if we hylite the 1st sentance or main topic of the post we are 
> responding to and copy and paste it into our message, then we dont have to continually

> see the whole post over and over again.  Bob Griffin
> >> <DIV></DIV>
>>       <P>Take care,</P>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <P>Guy<BR><BR></P>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV><BR><BR><BR>--Eat one live toad first thing in the morning

>> and nothing
>>       
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>worse will happen to you the rest of the day. 
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Well, I'm back home in 90-degree, 90% humid 
>> Florida, and while
>>       I'm 
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; feeling pretty good about it, Honey B is back to

>> rusting.
>>       This was my 
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; first airplane, and I thought I did a decent job

>> of sandblasting
>>       the 
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; cage and spraying it with epoxy primer, but 
>> there are thin
>>       areas where 
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; faint rust is showing, and some scrapes and 
>> scratches that
>>       I have to 
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; attend to. Some of these scrapes are down in the

>> bottom of
>>       the cage and 
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; I'd like to sand down to bare metal and prime 
>> with something
>>       more rust 
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; preventive than the PolyFibre Epoxy (which 
>> doesn't seem to
>>       adhere well 
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; unless the surface is darn near perfect), then 
>> cover the inside
>>       of the 
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; cage frame with PolyFiber tape, PolyBrush, and 
>> PolyTone. This
>>       would 
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; keep moisture away from the tubing and be easer 
>> to keep clean
>>       . Any 
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; suggestions on cleaners, primers, etc., that 
>> would be compatible
>>       with 
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       <DIV></DIV>
>>       
> 


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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPECITE style"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Below is just a piece of a post=
ing wrong or a way to clean this up? Also I think if we hylite the 1st senta=
nce or main topic of the post we are responding to and copy and paste it int=
o our message, then we dont have to continually see the whole post over and=20=
over again.&nbsp; Bob Griffin<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPECITE style"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;P&gt;Take care,&lt;/P&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
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>
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t;BR&gt;--Eat one live toad first thing in the morning and nothing<BR>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;worse will happen to y=
ou the rest of the day. <BR>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; <BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Well=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm <BR>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This was my <BR>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
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like to sand down to bare metal and prime with something<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; more rust <BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; prev=
entive than the PolyFibre Epoxy (which doesn't seem to<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; adhere well <BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; unle=
ss the surface is darn near perfect), then cover the inside<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; of the <BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; cage=
 frame with PolyFiber tape, PolyBrush, and PolyTone. This<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; would <BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; keep=
 moisture away from the tubing and be easer to keep clean<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; . Any <BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; sugg=
estions on cleaners, primers, etc., that would be compatible<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; with <BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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________________________________  Message 2  _____________________________________


Time: 04:31:27 AM PST US
From: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
Subject: Re: {Spam?} Kolb-List: giberish included in many posts?

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>

have you changed any settings on your computer?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Airgriff2@aol.com>
Subject: {Spam?} Kolb-List: giberish included in many posts?


> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
>
>
> > Below is just a piece of a post, typicle of what I have been recieving
> > lately. Is there something we are doing wrong or a way to clean this up?
Also I
> > think if we hylite the 1st sentance or main topic of the post we are
> > responding to and copy and paste it into our message, then we dont have
to continually
> > see the whole post over and over again.  Bob Griffin
> > >> <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <P>Take care,</P>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <P>Guy<BR><BR></P>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV><BR><BR><BR>--Eat one live toad first thing in the
morning
> >> and nothing
> >>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>worse will happen to you the rest of the day.
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Well, I'm back home in 90-degree, 90% humid
> >> Florida, and while
> >>       I'm
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; feeling pretty good about it, Honey B is
back to
> >> rusting.
> >>       This was my
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; first airplane, and I thought I did a decent
job
> >> of sandblasting
> >>       the
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; cage and spraying it with epoxy primer, but
> >> there are thin
> >>       areas where
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; faint rust is showing, and some scrapes and
> >> scratches that
> >>       I have to
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; attend to. Some of these scrapes are down in
the
> >> bottom of
> >>       the cage and
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; I'd like to sand down to bare metal and
prime
> >> with something
> >>       more rust
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; preventive than the PolyFibre Epoxy (which
> >> doesn't seem to
> >>       adhere well
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; unless the surface is darn near perfect),
then
> >> cover the inside
> >>       of the
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; cage frame with PolyFiber tape, PolyBrush,
and
> >> PolyTone. This
> >>       would
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; keep moisture away from the tubing and be
easer
> >> to keep clean
> >>       . Any
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; suggestions on cleaners, primers, etc., that
> >> would be compatible
> >>       with
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>       <DIV></DIV>
> >>
> >
>
>
> <HTML><FONT FACEarial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE2 FAMILY"SANSSERIF" FACE=
> "Arial" LANG"0"><BR>
> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPECITE style"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
> : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Below is just a piece of a
post=
> ing wrong or a way to clean this up? Also I think if we hylite the 1st
senta=
> nce or main topic of the post we are responding to and copy and paste it
int=
> o our message, then we dont have to continually see the whole post over
and=20=
> over again.&nbsp; Bob Griffin<BR>
> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPECITE style"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
> : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;P&gt;Take care,&lt;/P&gt;<BR>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&lt;P&gt;Guy&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/P&gt;<BR=
> >
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&l=
> t;BR&gt;--Eat one live toad first thing in the morning and nothing<BR>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;worse will happen to
y=
> ou the rest of the day. <BR>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>
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Time: 07:03:07 AM PST US
From: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
Subject:  Kolb-List: Another one of my ramblings :-) Zenair Arirfoil

--> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com


Been looking into a Mark - 3 But with a twist ... I Like the Form Factor of a 
KOLB But really like the Zenair concept of its STOL wing ... 

                                        What Cha' Think ...
                                                  Dave


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________________________________  Message 4  _____________________________________


Time: 07:22:33 AM PST US
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: giberish included in many posts?

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>

You can do it that way, or, what I find a little simpler - since this's how
I've always done it - is to click and highlight the parts you DON'T want,
then go up and click "Cut," assuming you use Outlook Express.   The
highlighted part will vanish, leaving you with the edited message.  If you
click at the top of the unwanted portion; hold the button down, and pull the
mouse toward you, it'll scroll itself, and highlight a large area very
quickly, as I did with this very long message.  I try to do this on most
posts, but, being sadly imperfect, do forget once in a while.
Lar.

Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose  N78LB
www.gogittum.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <Airgriff2@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: giberish included in many posts?


> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
>
>
> > Below is just a piece of a post, typicle of what I have been recieving
> > lately. Is there something we are doing wrong or a way to clean this up?
Also I
> > think if we hylite the 1st sentance or main topic of the post we are
> > responding to and copy and paste it into our message, then we dont have
to continually






________________________________  Message 5  _____________________________________


Time: 07:33:06 AM PST US
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re:  Kolb-List: Another one of my ramblings :-) Zenair Arirfoil

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>

That's one of the great benefits of "Experimental."...............but you'd
BETTER know what you're doing as regards weight and balance, center of lift,
etc.  I know - I like to play outside the box, too.  If you like the Zenair
high lift airfoil, you might want to check out the "Pegazair" (sp ??) wings
with their automatically extending and retracting leading edge slats.  They
look like a dandy toy.  Haven't seen anything on them for a while, tho'.
Lar.

P.S. - Go into "Format" at the top of your page, and click "Plain Text."
It'll eliminate the garbage at the bottom of your post that is upsetting
some people.  For regular emails, go back to "HTML."              Lar.

Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose  N78LB
www.gogittum.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <BMWBikeCrz@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Another one of my ramblings :-) Zenair Arirfoil


> --> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
>
>
> Been looking into a Mark - 3 But with a twist ... I Like the Form Factor
of a
> KOLB But really like the Zenair concept of its STOL wing ...
>
>                                         What Cha' Think ...
>                                                   Dave
>
>
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________________________________  Message 6  _____________________________________


Time: 08:02:01 AM PST US
From: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Zenair Airfoil

--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>

At 10:02 AM 10/10/03 EDT, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
>
>
>Been looking into a Mark - 3 But with a twist ... I Like the Form Factor of a

>KOLB But really like the Zenair concept of its STOL wing ... 
>
>                                        What Cha' Think ...
>                                                  Dave
>

Dave,

Go ahead and do it and report back on how it worked out.

Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO


Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net






________________________________  Message 7  _____________________________________


Time: 09:12:48 AM PST US
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Fall Flying

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>

Hello Kolbers,

I just received these photos from Bill Vincent, a Firestar II pilot at
Quinnesec, Upper Peninsula of Michigan ( Yopper land ).
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/ST007.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/ST008.jpg
I love the color changes but don't get to see much of it in my part of
Texas. Thanks Bill.

I met Bill and his wife Anna last July on the way to Oshkosh at Scott
Trask's house. The location is on final approach to runway 16 at Scotty's
Twinstar Patch, Iron Mountain, MI.

Anybody else have some good flying photos from their area?  I'll make them
available for viewing if you email them to me.


John Williamson
Arlington, TX

Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 487 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/

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________________________________  Message 8  _____________________________________


Time: 09:58:28 AM PST US
From: ALEMBIC7@aol.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 10/09/03

--> Kolb-List message posted by: ALEMBIC7@aol.com


In a message dated 10/10/03 7:01:25 AM, kolb-list-digest@matronics.com writes:

<< Is anyone flying with a HKS 700e Power plant?

If so you can contact me on or off the site, I have the usual questions.

Ken
 >>
I would also like to hear your experience w/ this power plant...
Steve >alembic7@aol.com< thanks






________________________________  Message 9  _____________________________________


Time: 11:33:06 AM PST US
From: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Another one of my ramblings :-) Zenair Arirfoil

--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>

I just took Vince Nicely (Firestar II owner/list member) for a ride in my 
MKIII, we got off the ground in about 300', and then out flying around with 
both of us and full fuel, we checked it out and it stalled at about 33 
indicated. And I have not yet installed the vortex generators. (next 
project) Cruise is anywhere from 55 to 80, top end is around 90, and it 
handles great. We landed and got stopped in about 500' of runway, but 
didn't use the first 150'.

Just what sort of STOL improvements do you think a Zenair wing will provide?

Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)


At 10:02 AM 10/10/03 -0400, you wrote:

>--> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
>
>
>Been looking into a Mark - 3 But with a twist ... I Like the Form Factor of a
>KOLB But really like the Zenair concept of its STOL wing ...
>
>                                         What Cha' Think ...
>                                                   Dave

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________________________________  Message 10  ____________________________________


Time: 12:00:15 PM PST US
From: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Another one of my ramblings :-) Zenair Arirfoil

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>


If you don't mind what was your weight plus the passenger, and how many
gallons did you have ?

Ken


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________________________________  Message 11  ____________________________________


Time: 12:41:03 PM PST US
From: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Another one of my ramblings :-) Zenair Arirfoil

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>

Hi Richard, Dave and Gang,

Maybe a helicopter should be considered to shorten up the landing distance.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. 

"do not archive"

Later,
John Cooley

 
 
We landed and got stopped in about 500' of runway, but
didn't use the first 150'.
 
Just what sort of STOL improvements do you think a Zenair wing will provide?
 
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
 
 
At 10:02 AM 10/10/03 -0400, you wrote:
 
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
>
>
>Been looking into a Mark - 3 But with a twist ... I Like the Form Factor of
a
>KOLB But really like the Zenair concept of its STOL wing ...
>
> What Cha' Think ...
> Dave
 
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________________________________  Message 12  ____________________________________


Time: 12:58:43 PM PST US
From: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW!

--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>

Denny,
Pardon if I slept thru earlier info on your this, but... 

What were you using for gap seal before the book binding tape?  I want
to know what the big performance gain is compared to.
thanks,
-Ben Ransom


--- rowedl@highstream.net wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
> 
> 
> Kolbers,
> OK, I finally broke down today and installed the book binding tapes
> in
> the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and flaps. Well truth be told,
> Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to be busy,
> :-) I
> hate that arts and crafts type of work.
> Upon taking off for the first time with the tapes I was astounded at
> the
> change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as if someone released the
> emergency brake and installed power steering.
> The climb rate is close to 200 fpm better solo, the roll response is
> way
> quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is slower, and one notch of
> flaps feels like it used to with no flaps.  The plane even floats a
> little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much stop
> as
> soon as you rounded out.
> I ran her up to full throttle in level flight solo and actually saw
> 90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing the tapes.
> Now I am wondering how the factory guys at TNK were able to install
> their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and bubbles?
> I am going to try to locate white book binding tapes to replace these
> clear ones, figure that way the prints won't show.
> Sincerely,
> 
> Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is supposed to handle) Rowe
> 
>  Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, PA
> 
> PS: We used the 3M 845, 3 inch wide with the 1.5 inch face to face
> with
> it.
> 
> 
> <HTML><HEAD>
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> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Kolbers,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>OK, I finally broke down today and
> installed the
> book binding tapes in the gaps between the wing, ailerons, and flaps.
> Well truth
> be told, Linda did it while I changed spark plugs and pretended to be
> busy, :-)
> I hate that arts and crafts type of work.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Upon taking off for the first time with
> the tapes I
> was astounded at the change in performance of my Mk-3. It feels as if
> someone
> released the emergency brake and installed power steering.
> </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>The climb rate is close to 200 fpm
> better solo, the
> roll response is way quicker and much lighter, the sink rate is
> slower,
> and one
> notch of flaps feels like it used to with no flaps.&nbsp; The plane
> even
> floats
> a little on round out to landing, before it would just pretty much
> stop
> as soon
> as you rounded out.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I ran her up to full throttle in level
> flight solo
> and actually saw 90mph, thats 8 mph more than I had before installing
> the
> tapes.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Now I am wondering how the factory guys
> at TNK were
> able to install their tapes so nicely with no fingerprints and
> bubbles?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I am going to try to locate white book
> binding
> tapes to replace these clear ones, figure that way the prints won't
> show.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Sincerely,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Denny (Now I understand how a Kolb is
> supposed to
> handle) Rowe</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>&nbsp;Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70,
> PA</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>PS: We used the 3M 845, 3
> inch&nbsp;wide with the
> 1.5 inch face to face with it. </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> 
> 
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report
>
>
> 
> 
> 
> 


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________________________________  Message 13  ____________________________________


Time: 02:12:50 PM PST US
From: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Another one of my ramblings :-) Zenair Arirfoil

--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>

Empty weight aound 520, I weigh about 190, and Vince probably about 180. 
Fifteen gallons of gas. Air temp about 70.

Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

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At 02:56 PM 10/10/03 -0400, you wrote:

>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
>
>
>If you don't mind what was your weight plus the passenger, and how many
>gallons did you have ?
>
>Ken






________________________________  Message 14  ____________________________________


Time: 04:21:42 PM PST US
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: October Experimenter

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>


Kolbers, Went to the mail box hoping to find my medical certificate. Not
there but this month's Experimenter.
Way to go John W.! Nice article in the EAA Experimenter this month. And
Ronnie's Wet Trike got rear cover.

Speaking of tail draggers... That Sky Raider looks like it would be a
hand full...


pp
Building King Kolbra 012
Harley Davidson Power
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty


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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Kolbers, Went to the mail box hoping to
find my
medical certificate. Not there but this month's
Experimenter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Way to go John W.! Nice article in the
EAA
Experimenter this month. And Ronnie's Wet Trike got rear cover.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Speaking of tail draggers...
That&nbsp;Sky Raider
looks like it would be a hand full...</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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________________________________  Message 15  ____________________________________


Time: 05:25:20 PM PST US
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Pickin' on tha new guy

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>


Ok guy's go ahead and get ready. Last night I completed the right hand
elevator. After fighting the pesky small tubing all week it was finally
finished. So I sat there, as I do after every building stage, evaluating
my work. I'm sitting there, looking at the part, looking at the plans
and Bang!! It hit me... Man I built it upside down erggggg.... Man I was
upset. All that work and time and it was bass ackwards... So I shut the
lights off tossed the part in the truck and came home to show my lovley
wife my pretty but screwed up part. "Can't see the forest for the
trees"..... She said " Baby, why can't you use it on the other
side...... Man did I feel stupid!!! It works great for the left side. So
go ahead have your fun. There that is! Was wondering why the plans call
to build a "mirror" image of the first part. Taking tonight off...

pp
Building King Kolbra 012
Harley Davidson Power
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty


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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Ok guy's go ahead and get ready. Last
night I
completed the right hand elevator. After fighting the pesky small tubing
all
week it was finally finished. So I sat there, as I do after every
building
stage,&nbsp;evaluating my work. I'm sitting there, looking at the part,
looking
at the plans and Bang!! It hit me... Man I built it upside down
erggggg.... Man
I was upset. All that work and time and it was bass ackwards... So I
shut the
lights off tossed the part in the truck and came home to show my lovley
wife my
pretty but screwed up part. "Can't see the forest for the trees".....
She said "
Baby, why can't you use it on the other side...... Man did I feel
stupid!!! It
works great for the left side. So go ahead have your fun. There
that&nbsp;is!
Was wondering why the plans call to build a "mirror" image of the first
part.
Taking tonight off...&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
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________________________________  Message 16  ____________________________________


Time: 05:37:35 PM PST US
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: ps

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>


Move over Beaford....

pp
Building King Kolbra 012
Harley Davidson Power
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty


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________________________________  Message 17  ____________________________________


Time: 06:19:08 PM PST US
From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ps

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>


Paul:
Ya gotta have pile of stuff out back that WILL NOT fit on the other side to
enter the competition.... I planted flowers and built a sidewalk around
mine.... It's still out there... I sit out beside it in a lawn chair and
stare at it on warm evenings...
Hang in there...
Best Regards,
Beauford
The aluminum butcher of Brandon...
FF #076
P.S.  Accepting help from wives is an automatic disqualifier....
b.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: ps


> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
>
> Move over Beaford....
>
> pp
> Building King Kolbra 012
> Harley Davidson Power
> www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
>
>
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> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Move over Beaford....</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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________________________________  Message 18  ____________________________________


Time: 07:01:41 PM PST US
From: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pickin' on tha new guy

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>

You know Paul, we would have never known about this If someone hadn't posted
it. We know now, so welcome to the building world..Your are not the first to
do this sort of thing, we just don't admit are wives pointed it out to us..
Hang in there ...

        c-ya


Richard Harris
MK3  N912RH
Lewisville, Arkansas
DO NOT ARCHIVE

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Pickin' on tha new guy


> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
>
> Ok guy's go ahead and get ready. Last night I completed the right hand
> elevator. After fighting the pesky small tubing all week it was finally
> finished. So I sat there, as I do after every building stage, evaluating
> my work. I'm sitting there, looking at the part, looking at the plans
> and Bang!! It hit me... Man I built it upside down erggggg.... Man I was
> upset. All that work and time and it was bass ackwards... So I shut the
> lights off tossed the part in the truck and came home to show my lovley
> wife my pretty but screwed up part. "Can't see the forest for the
> trees"..... She said " Baby, why can't you use it on the other
> side...... Man did I feel stupid!!! It works great for the left side. So
> go ahead have your fun. There that is! Was wondering why the plans call
> to build a "mirror" image of the first part. Taking tonight off...
>
> pp
> Building King Kolbra 012
> Harley Davidson Power
> www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
>
>
> do not archive
>
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> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Ok guy's go ahead and get ready. Last
> night I
> completed the right hand elevator. After fighting the pesky small tubing
> all
> week it was finally finished. So I sat there, as I do after every
> building
> stage,&nbsp;evaluating my work. I'm sitting there, looking at the part,
> looking
> at the plans and Bang!! It hit me... Man I built it upside down
> erggggg.... Man
> I was upset. All that work and time and it was bass ackwards... So I
> shut the
> lights off tossed the part in the truck and came home to show my lovley
> wife my
> pretty but screwed up part. "Can't see the forest for the trees".....
> She said "
> Baby, why can't you use it on the other side...... Man did I feel
> stupid!!! It
> works great for the left side. So go ahead have your fun. There
> that&nbsp;is!
> Was wondering why the plans call to build a "mirror" image of the first
> part.
> Taking tonight off...&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>pp<BR>Building King Kolbra
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________________________________  Message 19  ____________________________________


Time: 07:21:45 PM PST US
From: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heat treating 4130 landing gear/

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>

Gene, The guy you need to talk to is John Haulk's brother Jim.  He
sometimes monitors the list.  He can tell you the temperature and time and
cooling time and all necessary info to do Rockwell 48, which is what you for
4130 I think..  What about Jim are you there...

        c-ya

Richard Harris
MK3  N912RH
Lewisville, Arkansas
DO NOT ARCHIVE

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eugene Zimmerman" <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Heat treating 4130 landing gear/


> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
<eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>
>
> Hey guys,
> Any one know of a good place to get heat treating done? Or perhaps
> someone know the procedure to do it. I have a local shop that has a
> digital furnace that is used for stress relieving reground crankshafts
> but they do not have the technological specs for how to harden 4130. Can
> any one steer me in the right direction please.
>
> Gene
>
>






________________________________  Message 20  ____________________________________


Time: 07:34:11 PM PST US
From: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heat treating 4130 landing gear/

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>

Jim Hauck<jmh474@velocityonline.net>

Bob N.






________________________________  Message 21  ____________________________________


Time: 07:48:10 PM PST US
From: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pickin' on tha new guy

--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>

If you get "careless" enough, you could have TWO Kolbras...

Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

At 07:29 PM 10/10/03 -0500, you wrote:

>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
>
>Ok guy's go ahead and get ready. Last night I completed the right hand
>elevator. After fighting the pesky small tubing all week it was finally
>finished. So I sat there, as I do after every building stage, evaluating
>my work. I'm sitting there, looking at the part, looking at the plans
>and Bang!! It hit me... Man I built it upside down erggggg.... Man I was
>upset. All that work and time and it was bass ackwards... So I shut the
>lights off tossed the part in the truck and came home to show my lovley
>wife my pretty but screwed up part. "Can't see the forest for the
>trees"..... She said " Baby, why can't you use it on the other
>side...... Man did I feel stupid!!! It works great for the left side. So
>go ahead have your fun. There that is! Was wondering why the plans call
>to build a "mirror" image of the first part. Taking tonight off...
>
>pp
>Building King Kolbra 012
>Harley Davidson Power
>www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
>
>
>do not archive






________________________________  Message 22  ____________________________________


Time: 08:24:32 PM PST US
From: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW!

--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>


> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
>
> Denny,
> Pardon if I slept thru earlier info on your this, but...
>
> What were you using for gap seal before the book binding tape?  I want
> to know what the big performance gain is compared to.
> thanks,
> -Ben Ransom

Ben,
Before the tape I was using no tape. My bird is newly completed and today I
flew for 2.2 hrs and hit 29.7 hrs total time.
Up till a few days ago I had flown with no control gap seals at all because
I had never taken the time to install the 3M tapes, partly because a fellow
lister that has a Firefly told me he did not notice much difference in
performance with or without the tape, and partly because of my own lazyness.
Anyway, I am hear to tell ya that it makes a very big differance on my Mk-3.
This may be due in part to the fact that my hinge gaps are a little wider
than the plans call for. Hey, don't blame me, I purchased my kit after the
hinges had been located, when I discovered that they were a little off, I
made the decision to leave it alone instead of replacing the rear spar tube.
OK so maybe you can blame me.
 Anyway the tapes make a nice handling airplane into an exceptionally nice
handling airplane, and cut down on drag very noticably.
I am sure that the fabric tape method that the plans and Jim and Dondi
endorse will work as good or better than the 3M tape, I just chose to use
the 3M
Denny Rowe






________________________________  Message 23  ____________________________________


Time: 08:30:16 PM PST US
From: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: October Experimenter

--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>

Paul and gang,
I feel that was one of the better Experimenter issues I have seen, with the
possible exception of the April 98 issue. :-)
It was nice to see Mike Loehle pull down a major award, he is another one of
the good guys in this industry, major kudos Cy.
Denny Rowe
Mk-3, Loehle Sport Parasol, PA
do not archive


> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
> Kolbers, Went to the mail box hoping to find my medical certificate. Not
> there but this month's Experimenter.
> Way to go John W.! Nice article in the EAA Experimenter this month. And
> Ronnie's Wet Trike got rear cover.
>
> Speaking of tail draggers... That Sky Raider looks like it would be a
> hand full...






________________________________  Message 24  ____________________________________


Time: 08:35:26 PM PST US
From: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pickin' on tha new guy

--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>

Paul,
I wouldn't pick on you for that one, but I would warn you to take good care
of that wife of yours, you just made most of the guys on this list wish they
were married to her. Take it from a fellow that also has been bailed out on
occasion by his better half.
Denny Rowe
do not archive


> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
> Ok guy's go ahead and get ready. Last night I completed the right hand
> elevator. After fighting the pesky small tubing all week it was finally
> finished. So I sat there, as I do after every building stage, evaluating
> my work. I'm sitting there, looking at the part, looking at the plans
> and Bang!! It hit me... Man I built it upside down erggggg.... Man I was
> upset. All that work and time and it was bass ackwards... So I shut the
> lights off tossed the part in the truck and came home to show my lovley
> wife my pretty but screwed up part. "Can't see the forest for the
> trees"..... She said " Baby, why can't you use it on the other
> side...... Man did I feel stupid!!! It works great for the left side. So
> go ahead have your fun. There that is! Was wondering why the plans call
> to build a "mirror" image of the first part. Taking tonight off...
>
> pp
> Building King Kolbra 012
> Harley Davidson Power
> www.c-gate.net/~ppetty






________________________________  Message 25  ____________________________________


Time: 08:52:15 PM PST US
From: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Head set cushion

--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>


Richard,
After flying for 2+ hours today, I headed for my local WalMart for the
Outback Headset Cushion you described the other day.
Sure enough, there they were mislabled as seatbelt cushions just like at
your local store. They even had the choice of white or black. We opted
for black. Thanks a ton for the heads up. When Linda was flying with me
on Wednesday she complained that the headset dug into her head, and my
buddy that flew with me this afternoon had the same problem.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA


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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>After flying for 2+ hours today, I
headed for my
local WalMart for the Outback Headset Cushion you described the other
day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Sure enough, there they were mislabled
as seatbelt
cushions just like at your local store. They even had the choice of
white or
black. We opted for black. Thanks a ton for the heads up. When Linda was
flying
with me&nbsp;on Wednesday she complained that the headset dug into her
head, and
my buddy that flew with me this&nbsp;afternoon had the same
problem.</FONT></DIV>
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PA</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>






________________________________  Message 26  ____________________________________


Time: 09:07:25 PM PST US
From: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Keyed up

--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>


Kolbers,
Flew 2.2 hrs today, most of it with a friend that is thinking about
taking flying lessons.
Had a great time and let him do a lot of the flying. It was a blast
sharing my bird with someone who has a real interest in learning to fly.
He brought his digital camera / video thingy with him and took a lot of
photos and video he promised to put on a CD and VHS tape for me, I hope
to post some when I get them.
I also shot a whole roll of 35 mm film of the plane to try to get some
photos suitable for the completions sections of the magazines. Dropped
the film at Walmart tonight and checked the CD option  so I hope to post
some of them to the PhotoShare also.
Anyway, for as crappy as this summer has been weather wise, it has sure
been nice to do some serious Kolb aviating the past few days, this is
living.
Denny Rowe
Mk-3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA


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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Flew 2.2 hrs today, most of it with a
friend that
is thinking about taking flying lessons.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Had a great time and let him do a lot
of the
flying. It was a blast sharing my bird with someone who has a real
interest in
learning to fly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>He brought his digital camera / video
thingy with
him and took a lot of photos and video he promised to put on a CD and
VHS tape
for me, I hope to post some when I get them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I also shot a whole roll of 35 mm film
of the plane
to try to get some photos suitable for the completions sections of the
magazines. Dropped the film at Walmart tonight and checked the CD
option&nbsp;
so I hope to post some of them to the PhotoShare also.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Anyway, for as crappy as this summer
has been
weather wise, it has sure been nice to do some serious Kolb aviating the
past
few days, this is living.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Denny Rowe</FONT></DIV>
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________________________________  Message 27  ____________________________________


Time: 09:25:41 PM PST US
From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: brake questions

--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com


In a message dated 10/09/2003 9:46:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
firestarii@hotmail.com writes:


> I also have a friend who has a set of wheels from an original Firestar for 
> sale that have the internal drum brakes. According to him they are not 
> strong brakes, but they do the job for ground handling and taxiing. You 
> couldn't do a full-power runup with them.
> 

I can vouch for that.  I can run up to about 4200 RPM if I stop the wheels 
against a slight rise on the turf and hold the brakes as snugly as possible.  
Otherwise on a flat area I can only get about 3800 RPM before the wheels start

turning.  

Another problem I have experienced, which would probably be the same with any 
brake system, is that the aluminum gear legs tend to vibrate, or "wobble", 
ie. spring fore and aft when applying brakes on hard surfaces.  This in turn 
starts the tail wheel rod flexing and then the whole plane gets into an up and

down bounce which won't stop until I stop forward motion, or let go of the 
brakes.  Makes me feel like a bobble head :)  Don't have this problem on turf.

When I assembled the brakes (wheelbarrow wheels and go-kart brakes as 
supplied by Kolb) I took a lot of time and pain to get the drums mounted onto the

wheel rims symetrically.  But all the effort still resulted in having a "high"

spot, so when I roll the plane out of the hangar I can hear the shoes scrape the

drum intermittantly.  The quality of the parts are such that I don't think it 
can be made any better without major machining and/or modification.  Still, 
they do the job that Ralph says he wants to do, hold the plane back going down

hill on hard surfaces and safely taxing around other craft.

Bill Varnes
Original FireStar
9.5 years flying
412 hours
Audubon, NJ


<HTML><FONT FACEarial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE2>In a message dated 10/09/=
2003 9:46:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, firestarii@hotmail.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPECITE style"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I also have a friend who has a=20=
set of wheels from an original Firestar for <BR>
sale that have the internal drum brakes. According to him they are not <BR>
strong brakes, but they do the job for ground handling and taxiing. You <BR>
couldn't do a full-power runup with them.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
I can vouch for that.&nbsp; I can run up to about 4200 RPM if I stop the whe=
els against a slight rise on the turf and hold the brakes as snugly as possi=
ble.&nbsp; Otherwise on a flat area I can only get about 3800 RPM before the=
 wheels start turning.&nbsp; <BR>
<BR>
Another problem I have experienced, which would probably be the same with an=
y brake system, is that the aluminum gear legs tend to vibrate, or "wobble",=
 ie. spring fore and aft when applying brakes on hard surfaces.&nbsp; This i=
n turn starts the tail wheel rod flexing and then the whole plane gets into=20=
an up and down bounce which won't stop until I stop forward motion, or let g=
o of the brakes.&nbsp; Makes me feel like a bobble head :)&nbsp; Don't have=20=
this problem on turf.<BR>
<BR>
When I assembled the brakes (wheelbarrow wheels and go-kart brakes as suppli=
ed by Kolb) I took a lot of time and pain to get the drums mounted onto the=20=
wheel rims symetrically.&nbsp; But all the effort still resulted in having a=
 "high" spot, so when I roll the plane out of the hangar I can hear the shoe=
s scrape the drum intermittantly.&nbsp; The quality of the parts are such th=
at I don't think it can be made any better without major machining and/or mo=
dification.&nbsp; Still, they do the job that Ralph says he wants to do, hol=
d the plane back going down hill on hard surfaces and safely taxing around o=
ther craft.<BR>
<BR>
Bill Varnes<BR>
Original FireStar<BR>
9.5 years flying<BR>
412 hours<BR>
Audubon, NJ</FONT></HTML>






________________________________  Message 28  ____________________________________


Time: 10:10:08 PM PST US
From: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: brake questions

--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>

Moto Tool with the little sanding drum, and take down the high spots. Or if 
you have a side grinder, that works good too, low tech, & amazing how much 
it helped mine.

Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)


At 12:25 AM 10/11/03 -0400, you wrote:

>--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 10/09/2003 9:46:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>firestarii@hotmail.com writes:
>
><snip>
>When I assembled the brakes (wheelbarrow wheels and go-kart brakes as
>supplied by Kolb) I took a lot of time and pain to get the drums mounted 
>onto the
>wheel rims symetrically.  But all the effort still resulted in having a 
>"high"
>spot, so when I roll the plane out of the hangar I can hear the shoes 
>scrape the
>drum intermittantly.
>Bill Varnes
>Original FireStar
>9.5 years flying
>412 hours
>Audubon, NJ