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1. 05:00 AM - Re: brake questions (jerb)
2. 05:54 AM - power of prayer (Paul Petty)
3. 11:18 AM - Duplicates and Extra HTML in List Messages Solved!!! (Matt Dralle)
4. 11:25 AM - Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! (Ben Ransom)
5. 04:12 PM - Pile of stuff (jrodebush)
6. 05:41 PM - finishing tapes (Russell Phillips)
7. 06:10 PM - Re: finishing tapes (John Williamson)
8. 06:44 PM - Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! ()
9. 06:49 PM - Re: finishing tapes ()
10. 07:12 PM - Re: finishing tapes (Larry Bourne)
11. 07:30 PM - Re: finishing tapes (jerb)
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| Subject: | Re: brake questions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
I know that feeling. Initially we had some problems with the brakes
grabbing on our FireFly until we upgraded the wheel bearing from the China
junk ones to some Japanese made bearings. That helped tighten things
up. If I were to do over I would incorporate the Azusa brand brakes rather
than their internal expansion brakes. They still use the same drum but the
external bands are smoother and seem to work better. To put them on might
require a simple modification to the gear leg axle bracket by welding on a
small flange to hold the bands pivot bolt.
jerb
(hop-a-long FireFly)
At 12:25 AM 10/11/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
>
>When I assembled the brakes (wheelbarrow wheels and go-kart brakes as
>supplied by Kolb) I took a lot of time and pain to get the drums mounted
>onto the
>wheel rims symetrically. But all the effort still resulted in having a
>"high"
>spot, so when I roll the plane out of the hangar I can hear the shoes
>scrape the
>drum intermittantly. The quality of the parts are such that I don't think it
>can be made any better without major machining and/or modification. Still,
>they do the job that Ralph says he wants to do, hold the plane back going
>down
>hill on hard surfaces and safely taxing around other craft.
>
>Bill Varnes
>Original FireStar
>9.5 years flying
>412 hours
>Audubon, NJ
>
>
>In a message dated 10/09/= 2003 9:46:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>firestarii@hotmail.com writes:
>
>sale that have the internal drum brakes. According to him they are not
>strong brakes, but they do the job for ground handling and taxiing. You
>couldn't do a full-power runup with them.
>
>
>I can vouch for that. I can run up to about 4200 RPM if I stop the whe=
>els against a slight rise on the turf and hold the brakes as snugly as
>possi= ble. Otherwise on a flat area I can only get about 3800 RPM before
>the= wheels start turning.
>
>Another problem I have experienced, which would probably be the same with
>an= y brake system, is that the aluminum gear legs tend to vibrate, or
>"wobble",= ie. spring fore and aft when applying brakes on hard
>surfaces. This i= n turn starts the tail wheel rod flexing and then the
>whole plane gets into=20= an up and down bounce which won't stop until I
>stop forward motion, or let g= o of the brakes. Makes me feel like a
>bobble head :) Don't have=20= this problem on turf.
>
>When I assembled the brakes (wheelbarrow wheels and go-kart brakes as
>suppli= ed by Kolb) I took a lot of time and pain to get the drums mounted
>onto the=20= wheel rims symetrically. But all the effort still resulted
>in having a= "high" spot, so when I roll the plane out of the hangar I can
>hear the shoe= s scrape the drum intermittantly. The quality of the parts
>are such th= at I don't think it can be made any better without major
>machining and/or mo= dification. Still, they do the job that Ralph says
>he wants to do, hol= d the plane back going down hill on hard surfaces and
>safely taxing around o= ther craft.
>
>Bill Varnes
>Original FireStar
>9.5 years flying
>412 hours
>Audubon, NJ
>
<html>
I know that feeling. Initially we had some problems with the brakes
grabbing on our FireFly until we upgraded the wheel bearing from the
China junk ones to some Japanese made bearings. That helped tighten
things up. If I were to do over I would incorporate the Azusa brand
brakes rather than their internal expansion brakes. They still use
the same drum but the external bands are smoother and seem to work
better. To put them on might require a simple modification to the
gear leg axle bracket by welding on a small flange to hold the bands
pivot bolt.<br>
jerb<br>
(hop-a-long FireFly)<br><br>
<br><br>
At 12:25 AM 10/11/03 -0400, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>--> Kolb-List message posted by:
WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com<br>
<br>
When I assembled the brakes (wheelbarrow wheels and go-kart brakes as
<br>
supplied by Kolb) I took a lot of time and pain to get the drums mounted
onto the <br>
wheel rims symetrically. But all the effort still resulted in
having a "high" <br>
spot, so when I roll the plane out of the hangar I can hear the shoes
scrape the <br>
drum intermittantly. The quality of the parts are such that I don't
think it <br>
can be made any better without major machining and/or modification.
Still, <br>
they do the job that Ralph says he wants to do, hold the plane back going
down <br>
hill on hard surfaces and safely taxing around other craft.<br><br>
Bill Varnes<br>
Original FireStar<br>
9.5 years flying<br>
412 hours<br>
Audubon, NJ<br><br>
<br>
In a message dated 10/09/= 2003 9:46:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
firestarii@hotmail.com writes:<br><br>
<dl>
<dd>sale that have the internal drum brakes. According to him they are
not
<dd>strong brakes, but they do the job for ground handling and taxiing.
You
<dd>couldn't do a full-power runup with them.
</dl><br><br>
I can vouch for that. I can run up to about 4200 RPM if I stop the
whe= els against a slight rise on the turf and hold the brakes as snugly
as possi= ble. Otherwise on a flat area I can only get about 3800
RPM before the= wheels start turning. <br><br>
Another problem I have experienced, which would probably be the same with
an= y brake system, is that the aluminum gear legs tend to vibrate, or
"wobble",= ie. spring fore and aft when applying brakes on hard
surfaces. This i= n turn starts the tail wheel rod flexing and then
the whole plane gets into=20= an up and down bounce which won't stop
until I stop forward motion, or let g= o of the brakes. Makes me
feel like a bobble head :) Don't have=20= this problem on
turf.<br><br>
When I assembled the brakes (wheelbarrow wheels and go-kart brakes as
suppli= ed by Kolb) I took a lot of time and pain to get the drums
mounted onto the=20= wheel rims symetrically. But all the effort
still resulted in having a= "high" spot, so when I roll the
plane out of the hangar I can hear the shoe= s scrape the drum
intermittantly. The quality of the parts are such th= at I don't
think it can be made any better without major machining and/or mo=
dification. Still, they do the job that Ralph says he wants to do,
hol= d the plane back going down hill on hard surfaces and safely taxing
around o= ther craft.<br><br>
Bill Varnes<br>
Original FireStar<br>
9.5 years flying<br>
412 hours<br>
Audubon, NJ<br><br>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Thanks Guy's great advice. And I plea no contest to Beauford's position.
Guy's and Gal's, I know this is not Kolb related, but I need to ask for
your prayers. My good friend and fellow student pilot Johnny Dees wife
is going for her third operation for cancer. Johnny and his wife Jane
are truly fine folk's and Johnny lost his first lady to cancer. Your
prayers will be greatly appreciated. If any care to e-mail Johnny his
address is planedeesigns@yahoo.com
God bless you all.
ps Thanks Matt
pp
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Thanks Guy's great advice. And I plea
no contest to
Beauford's position.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Guy's and Gal's, I know this is not
Kolb related,
but I need to ask for your prayers. My good friend and fellow student
pilot
Johnny Dees wife is going for her third operation for cancer. Johnny and
his
wife Jane are truly fine folk's and Johnny lost his first lady to
cancer. Your
prayers will be greatly appreciated. If any care to e-mail Johnny his
address is
<A
href"mailto:planedeesigns@yahoo.com">planedeesigns@yahoo.com</A> =
</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>God bless you all.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>ps Thanks Matt</FONT></DIV>
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| Subject: | Duplicates and Extra HTML in List Messages Solved!!! |
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com, yak-list@matronics.com
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Well, I apologize. I discovered today why the extra HTML tags and odd
repeating of messages was occuring. About 1-2 weeks ago I was
troubleshooting a different problem and had commented out the section in
the incoming message filter that strips out MIME enclosures and other HTML
data. Duh, then I forgot to put it back! Other filters were stripping
out a good deal of the stuff, but still some stuff was getting through!
I've reinstated the MIME filter and things should be back to normal as of
about 11am pdt on Saturday. Again, my apologies!!!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Denny,
Thanks for the info, and the note from the FF owner is good to hear for
reference also.
have fun with your new airplane!
-Ben
do not archive
--- rowedl@highstream.net wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Denny,
> > Pardon if I slept thru earlier info on your this, but...
> >
> > What were you using for gap seal before the book binding tape? I
> want
> > to know what the big performance gain is compared to.
> > thanks,
> > -Ben Ransom
>
> Ben,
> Before the tape I was using no tape. My bird is newly completed and
> today I
> flew for 2.2 hrs and hit 29.7 hrs total time.
> Up till a few days ago I had flown with no control gap seals at all
> because
> I had never taken the time to install the 3M tapes, partly because a
> fellow
> lister that has a Firefly told me he did not notice much difference
> in
> performance with or without the tape, and partly because of my own
> lazyness.
> Anyway, I am hear to tell ya that it makes a very big differance on
> my Mk-3.
> This may be due in part to the fact that my hinge gaps are a little
> wider
> than the plans call for. Hey, don't blame me, I purchased my kit
> after the
> hinges had been located, when I discovered that they were a little
> off, I
> made the decision to leave it alone instead of replacing the rear
> spar tube.
> OK so maybe you can blame me.
> Anyway the tapes make a nice handling airplane into an exceptionally
> nice
> handling airplane, and cut down on drag very noticably.
> I am sure that the fabric tape method that the plans and Jim and
> Dondi
> endorse will work as good or better than the 3M tape, I just chose to
> use
> the 3M
> Denny Rowe
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report
>
>
>
>
>
>
=====
http://mae.ucdavis.edu/~ransom
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jrodebush" <jrodebush@cinci.rr.com>
With what passes for art these days you could probably think of a clever name &
sell it as abstract sculpture to some city or collector for big bucks...
Do not archive
"From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ps
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Paul:
Ya gotta have pile of stuff out back that WILL NOT fit on the other side to
enter the competition.... "
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Russell Phillips" <rphillip1999@hotmail.com>
Help,
I am trying to put finishing tapes on the trailing edges of the control surfaces
(elevators, ailerons, flaps and rudder). I think it might be a mistake. After
attempting to do this on one elevator I see a huge problem. Trying to get thefinishing
tape to lay against the wing material where the ribs meet the 5/16
trailing edge is nearly impossible. Has anyone else out there tried this or am
I the first fabric challenged rivet-head to do this? Any help is appreciated.
Russ Phillips
Mark III Classic (Someday, but if this keeps up I'll be as long as that Lar fella
:)
Southwestern N.Y.
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| Subject: | Re: finishing tapes |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Russ, and Homer Hump fabric coverers,
There is a way to get straight tapes over the ribs. Give Jim or Dondi Miller
a call and they can talk you thru the procedure.
Aircraft Technical Support, Inc 1-877-877-3334
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 487 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
No problemo Ben, glad to be of help.
Put another 9/10ths of an hour on her this evening, the leaves are just
starting to get nice uo here, looks like the next week or two will be
beutiful so I hope this flyable weather sticks around for a little while
longer.
Regards,
Denny Rowe, Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L, PA
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap Gap tapes, WOW!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
>
> Denny,
> Thanks for the info, and the note from the FF owner is good to hear for
> reference also.
> have fun with your new airplane!
> -Ben
> do not archive
>
> --- rowedl@highstream.net wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > Denny,
> > > Pardon if I slept thru earlier info on your this, but...
> > >
> > > What were you using for gap seal before the book binding tape? I
> > want
> > > to know what the big performance gain is compared to.
> > > thanks,
> > > -Ben Ransom
> >
> > Ben,
> > Before the tape I was using no tape. My bird is newly completed and
> > today I
> > flew for 2.2 hrs and hit 29.7 hrs total time.
> > Up till a few days ago I had flown with no control gap seals at all
> > because
> > I had never taken the time to install the 3M tapes, partly because a
> > fellow
> > lister that has a Firefly told me he did not notice much difference
> > in
> > performance with or without the tape, and partly because of my own
> > lazyness.
> > Anyway, I am hear to tell ya that it makes a very big differance on
> > my Mk-3.
> > This may be due in part to the fact that my hinge gaps are a little
> > wider
> > than the plans call for. Hey, don't blame me, I purchased my kit
> > after the
> > hinges had been located, when I discovered that they were a little
> > off, I
> > made the decision to leave it alone instead of replacing the rear
> > spar tube.
> > OK so maybe you can blame me.
> > Anyway the tapes make a nice handling airplane into an exceptionally
> > nice
> > handling airplane, and cut down on drag very noticably.
> > I am sure that the fabric tape method that the plans and Jim and
> > Dondi
> > endorse will work as good or better than the 3M tape, I just chose to
> > use
> > the 3M
> > Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: finishing tapes |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Russell,
John Williamson is right, call Jim and Dondi Miller for advise on this pain
in the butt area. We got a pretty good job of it on ours but it was a
little brutal. Convinced me to build the control surfaces with sheet metal
ribs if I ever build another Kolb.
Sincerely,
Denny Rowe
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Phillips <rphillip1999@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: finishing tapes
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Russell Phillips"
<rphillip1999@hotmail.com>
>
> Help,
> I am trying to put finishing tapes on the trailing edges of the control
surfaces (elevators, ailerons, flaps and rudder). I think it might be a
mistake. After attempting to do this on one elevator I see a huge problem.
Trying to get thefinishing tape to lay against the wing material where the
ribs meet the 5/16 trailing edge is nearly impossible. Has anyone else out
there tried this or am I the first fabric challenged rivet-head to do this?
Any help is appreciated.
>
> Russ Phillips
> Mark III Classic (Someday, but if this keeps up I'll be as long as that
Lar fella :)
> Southwestern N.Y.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: finishing tapes |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Mercy..........another county heard from - must be a long time lurker, eh ??
Actually I've been trying, if I can get that cussed landing gear done.
Sorry I can't help with the tape problem, but there's others on the List
that'll make it simple for ya. Lar. Do
not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Phillips" <rphillip1999@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: finishing tapes
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Russell Phillips"
<rphillip1999@hotmail.com>
>
> Help,
> I am trying to put finishing tapes on the trailing edges of the control
surfaces (elevators, ailerons, flaps and rudder). I think it might be a
mistake. After attempting to do this on one elevator I see a huge problem.
Trying to get thefinishing tape to lay against the wing material where the
ribs meet the 5/16 trailing edge is nearly impossible. Has anyone else out
there tried this or am I the first fabric challenged rivet-head to do this?
Any help is appreciated.
>
> Russ Phillips
> Mark III Classic (Someday, but if this keeps up I'll be as long as that
Lar fella :)
> Southwestern N.Y.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: finishing tapes |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
You may need to use a bias tape rather than a linear tape.. It's often
used when doing curves or corners like on elevators. The diagonal bias of
the material makes it able to lay flat and assume the shape of the surface
upon which it is being applied. I agree discuss this with the Millers.
jerb
At 08:11 PM 10/11/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
>Russ, and Homer Hump fabric coverers,
>
>There is a way to get straight tapes over the ribs. Give Jim or Dondi Miller
>a call and they can talk you thru the procedure.
>
>Aircraft Technical Support, Inc 1-877-877-3334
>
>
>John Williamson
>Arlington, TX
>
>Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 487 hours
>http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
>
>do not archive
>
>
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