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1. 06:03 AM - what pressure do the pulse pumps see at their input? (Jim Gerken)
2. 06:07 AM - Re: Exhaust Mounting Bolts (Richard Pike)
3. 08:02 AM - Re: tailpost (johnjung@compusenior.com)
4. 08:41 AM - Re: tailpost (Ben Ransom)
5. 10:51 AM - Re: what pressure do the pulse pumps see at their input? (Christopher J Armstrong)
6. 11:55 AM - Re: what pressure do the pulse pumps see at their input? (Jim Clayton)
7. 01:56 PM - [Fw: www.matronics.com] (Bob N.)
8. 02:20 PM - Landing Gear (Larry Bourne)
9. 02:54 PM - Re: what pressure do the pulse pumps see at their (jerb)
10. 03:21 PM - FLY IN (Paul Petty)
11. 03:30 PM - private pilot (Paul Petty)
12. 04:02 PM - Re: FLY IN (John Williamson)
13. 04:25 PM - Re: private pilot (Robert Laird)
14. 04:33 PM - Re: private pilot (Larry Cottrell)
15. 04:49 PM - Re: Vortex generators installed (HShack@aol.com)
16. 05:08 PM - Re: [Fw: www.matronics.com] (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
17. 05:51 PM - where's John H.? (Bob Bean)
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| Subject: | what pressure do the pulse pumps see at their input? |
10/16/2003 07:57:39 AM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
Does anyone know what the pressure pulses which drive the pulse pump
measure at their source (the crankcase fitting)? I am trying to decide if
I can drive a pulse pump with the BMW crankcase. It has a bunch of volume,
but the actual pressure is unknown because I haven't run the engine yet.
For clarity, I am interested in the crankcase pulses, not the fuel
pressure. Thanks!
Jim Gerken
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Mounting Bolts |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Not exactly sure which bolts you mean, or where they go. If they go between
the bracket and the muffler like some do, in a spot where there is a rubber
bushing, (guessing here) I like AN bolts or stainless, because they wear
the same way every time. Hardened bolts tend to wear the bracket they go
through, and also are more brittle. If you can easily modify your mounting
bracket to accept them, I like auto exhaust hanger rubber mounts, they are
tough, don't wear the bolts, and easily replaced once a year during the
annual. Here's a picture:
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg2.htm
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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I recently pulled the exhaust system off my 377 Rotax to check for carbon
build-up. There is a bracket on the head of the engine that the muffler is
bolted to and I see some wear on the threads and would like to replace
these bolts. Anybody know if I need AN grade bolts or if hardened bolts
will do. Thanks for your input.
>Jim Turner
>Firestar
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "johnjung@compusenior.com" <johnjung@compusenior.com>
Steve and Group,
I suggest that you just keep removing material with whatever size drills
that work. But stay away from the steel. Then use a drill that is full
size, (is that 3/4"?) to clean up the material near the steel. Have
patience, and it can be done. Now that you have a crooked hole, you may
want to remove a few inches of materal out to the edges, and then go deeper.
John Jung
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
I wonder if you could use something like a grinding bit on a dremmel
tool. At least that way you'd know when you're coming up against the
steel. You'd need a loooong bit shaft, but maybe that could be done by
the flex line from Dremmel and holding that in a tube to keep it mostly
straight as you bore away. It might also be that the dremmel could
clean up the hole inside about an inch and then you could go back to a
drill bit.
-Ben Ransom
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--- Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hello Everyone.
>
> I own Mk2-171 and I suffered some damage to the fiberglass
> tailspring. I want to take out the old spring and replace it with
> the newer spring aluminum rod. Anybody have any experience doing this
> with their Kolb and how did you accomplish it?
>
> Thanks up front for any help with this.
>
> Steve Kroll
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| Subject: | what pressure do the pulse pumps see at their input? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher J Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
Jim I would guess that the BMW has a single space for both pistons. If
they were both moving in and out on the same throw you would get no
pressure change, but apposed engines are nearly always on separate
throws so they would be moving in and out together, doubling the amount
of volume change that you would get with a single cylinder worth of
stroke. So my bet is you will have way plenty pressure pulse, but is
just a guess.
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Subject: Kolb-List: what pressure do the pulse pumps see at their input?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
Does anyone know what the pressure pulses which drive the pulse pump
measure at their source (the crankcase fitting)? I am trying to decide
if I can drive a pulse pump with the BMW crankcase. It has a bunch of
volume, but the actual pressure is unknown because I haven't run the
engine yet. For clarity, I am interested in the crankcase pulses, not
the fuel pressure. Thanks!
Jim Gerken
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| Subject: | Re: what pressure do the pulse pumps see at their input? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
Hi Jim,
I suspect you could be unhappy with a pulse pump on a
4 stroke engine:
A 2 stroke engine uses the crankcase to pressurize the
intake fuel/air charge for delivery into the cylinder.
Because of that the crankcase to designed to be
sealed from atmospheric pressure. If the seal was
compromised, such as when a crank seal fails, engine
will run poorly if at all. This design makes it a
good candidate to doing useful work with that pressure
pulse: generally no pulse pressure=no engine function.
A 4 stroke engine's crankcase has lots of opening to
atmospheric pressure: oil caps, crankcase vents, etc.
If one of the caps/vents was to come loose, you would
be facing a scenario where the engine could function
just fine, but no fuel would be pumped. Also a 4
stroke depends on the venting of crankcase pressure to
keep the oil from blowing through every seal and
gasket on the engine. If you have ever seen a worn
out engine with low compression because the rings are
shot, the pressure blowing by the rings will overwhelm
the crankcase vents, pressurizing the crankcase and
making it look like every gasket has failed at the
same time!
Assuming no engine driven pump is available, I would
suggest something like an electrically driven facet
pump. They come with various pressure outputs, so be
sure to consider the two or three feet of lift, and
measure the pressure at the carb, not the pump outlet!
Hope this helps.
-Jim
Jim Clayton
California
Mark-3X, Building...at 10%
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken
<gerken@us.ibm.com>
Does anyone know what the pressure pulses which drive
the pulse pump
measure at their source (the crankcase fitting)? I am
trying to decide if
I can drive a pulse pump with the BMW crankcase. It
has a bunch of volume,
but the actual pressure is unknown because I haven't
run the engine yet.
For clarity, I am interested in the crankcase pulses,
not the fuel
pressure. Thanks!
Jim Gerken
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
There's been a fair amount of interest in the "bent" landing gear, so I went ahead
and built the web page. Keep in mind that this is a work in progress, nothing
is painted or fine finished yet, (some may never be) and pieces are still
being modified. As the gear is completed, I'll bring the page up to date. Since
the purchase of the FireStar trailer was the cause and/or inspiration of
a lot of this mighty headache, I've combined trailer and landing gear on the same
page. This portion of the project has been a source of pride, inspiration............and
Pain. What a tangle, but I think it's gonna work out OK. I
hope.
Take a look at: http://www.biglar.homestead.com/larry.html . Go to "Building Vamoose," then to "Trailer & Landing Gear."
I hope you enjoy...........let me know what you-all think. Inventive
Lar.
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Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
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| Subject: | Re: what pressure do the pulse pumps see at their |
input?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> input?
Folks,
On a four stroke your more likely to use the intake vacuum rather than
crank case pressure pulses. I've seen it done on HKS engines and it works
fine.
jerb
At 11:49 AM 10/16/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>I suspect you could be unhappy with a pulse pump on a
>4 stroke engine:
>
>A 2 stroke engine uses the crankcase to pressurize the
>intake fuel/air charge for delivery into the cylinder.
> Because of that the crankcase to designed to be
>sealed from atmospheric pressure. If the seal was
>compromised, such as when a crank seal fails, engine
>will run poorly if at all. This design makes it a
>good candidate to doing useful work with that pressure
>pulse: generally no pulse pressure=no engine function.
>
>A 4 stroke engine's crankcase has lots of opening to
>atmospheric pressure: oil caps, crankcase vents, etc.
>If one of the caps/vents was to come loose, you would
>be facing a scenario where the engine could function
>just fine, but no fuel would be pumped. Also a 4
>stroke depends on the venting of crankcase pressure to
>keep the oil from blowing through every seal and
>gasket on the engine. If you have ever seen a worn
>out engine with low compression because the rings are
>shot, the pressure blowing by the rings will overwhelm
>the crankcase vents, pressurizing the crankcase and
>making it look like every gasket has failed at the
>same time!
>
>Assuming no engine driven pump is available, I would
>suggest something like an electrically driven facet
>pump. They come with various pressure outputs, so be
>sure to consider the two or three feet of lift, and
>measure the pressure at the carb, not the pump outlet!
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>-Jim
>
>Jim Clayton
>California
>Mark-3X, Building...at 10%
>
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken
><gerken@us.ibm.com>
>
>
>Does anyone know what the pressure pulses which drive
>the pulse pump
>measure at their source (the crankcase fitting)? I am
>trying to decide if
>I can drive a pulse pump with the BMW crankcase. It
>has a bunch of volume,
>but the actual pressure is unknown because I haven't
>run the engine yet.
>For clarity, I am interested in the crankcase pulses,
>not the fuel
>pressure. Thanks!
>
>Jim Gerken
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Just a reminder that Ronnie Smith's fly in (South Mississippi Light Aircraft) is
this weekend. There will be a few Kolb's there and lots of good times to be
had by all. John W. are you coming?
pp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Can one receive a check ride in an Experimental aircraft for a Private Pilot certificate
or does it have to be done in a certified GA airplane? Pop's sold the
150 today to one of our friends that has been allowed to use it for his flight
training (for free) and the new owner has extended the offer to me but I don't
know if I feel good about flying it solo for the rest of my training. Insurance,
bending something ect.....
pp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Hi Paul and Gang,
Won't make the Fly-In. Still playing with the Verner 133M .
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 489 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
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| Subject: | Re: private pilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
At 05:28 PM 10/16/2003, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
>Kolbers,
>Can one receive a check ride in an Experimental aircraft for a Private
>Pilot certificate or does it have to be done in a certified GA
>airplane? Pop's sold the 150 today to one of our friends that has been
>allowed to use it for his flight training (for free) and the new owner has
>extended the offer to me but I don't know if I feel good about flying it
>solo for the rest of my training. Insurance, bending something ect.....
Yes, it's perfectly legal. The only issue is, finding someone to do
it. Many FAA types and their non-FAA counterparts have insurance that
doesn't cover them in a non-certified aircraft, so they may elect not to
give you the check ride in such a plane. But, if you can find someone that
doesn't care about that, then you can get a check ride in an Experimental,
as long as it is equipped with the basic VFR flight instrumentation.
-- Robert
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
I can tell you how it is here, Since I just went through that whole thing.
The answer for me at least is that they will not allow you to take your
check ride in a Kolb. If it was a RV or something of that sort then most
likely yes.
Larry, Oregon
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From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: private pilot
> Kolbers,
> Can one receive a check ride in an Experimental aircraft for a Private
Pilot certificate or does it have to be done in a certified GA airplane?
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex generators installed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 10/13/03 9:11:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rwpike@charter.net writes:
> Flight testing was with mixed results, mainly because I think my airspeed
> indicator is terribly non-linear below about 40 indicated, so I can't tell
> if it is flying/stalling any slower or not. It feels like it is, for what
> that's worth. It still stalls at the same indicated airspeed as before (26
> indicated, 35 actual according to the GPS), but at a much higher apparent
> deck angle. The stall is slightly more aggressive than before, it has a
> clean break, both straight ahead, power off and accelerated, but still
> fairly mild & easy to live with.
>
>
I believe Vortex Generators help mostly where there is a higher stall speed
[before they are installed]. If your stall speed is already low, then their
effect is not as great.
I'll be surprised if your top speed decreased because of the VG's; since they
allow your wing to fly at less of an angle of attack there should be less
drag.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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Yeah, I got it too. Didn't answer.
AzDave
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
He and Nell are parked on the middle of my runway.....they made a
surprise visit
after coming through Watkins Glen, Hammondsport (Curtiss museum),
Corning, etc.
Yakked a bit, showed him de plane. Tomorrow they're headed to Niagara
Falls where,
hopefully, weather will permit a good ride on the "maid of the mist".
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