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1. 06:11 AM - Re: Vortex Generators (Thom Riddle)
2. 07:58 AM - Re: (Alaska) (John Hauck)
3. 08:04 AM - Re: Vortex Generators (John Hauck)
4. 08:58 AM - Kolb crew (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com)
5. 10:54 AM - [ Ted Cowan ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
6. 12:14 PM - KXP For Sale (rwash)
7. 12:51 PM - Re: bent 4130 steel gear legs (Larry Cottrell)
8. 03:20 PM - Re: (Alaska) (John Williamson)
9. 03:36 PM - Re: bent 4130 steel gear legs (chris davis)
10. 04:12 PM - Re: bent 4130 steel gear legs (John Hauck)
11. 04:32 PM - Re: bent 4130 steel gear legs (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
12. 04:32 PM - Re: bent 4130 steel gear legs (Mid-State Sandblasting)
13. 09:06 PM - Re: (Alaska) (CaptainRon)
14. 09:06 PM - Re: (Alaska) (CaptainRon)
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
John H.
Thanks for the Firestar history. I did not build this aircraft and the previous
owner does not know who did nor did the owner previous to him, and that is as
far back as we were able to trace this bird. There is no documentation at all
on this aircraft and I was told that it was an 84 model but did not know the
history and can not find the serial number. Can you tell me where to look for
the serial number on early Firestars? I would like to get a set of plans for
this or similar aircraft, just in case.
As I thought of the idea you mentioned of cutting the pitot tube at an angle I
realized that the vertical angle mis-alignment in many situations is likely to
be less a factor than the airflow mis-alignment due to cross winds, at least
while on the ground. In any case, you are correct in the statement about whatever
the IAS says under x condition will always be repeated under the same circumstances.
BTW, before it started raining yesterday I got the opportunity to do
two slowly accelerating take-off runs w/o VGs and both times it jumped off the
ground at 32mph IAS at a take-off weight of 537# with full up elevator. Next
time weather permits I will check the IAS accuracy with GPS headwind and tailwind
average at 35mph IAS. And I will start installing the VGs and do some more
take-off speed tests.
I'll keep the list posted on my results.
Do Not Archive
Thom R.
Early FS 377
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> We second all of John's suggestions about places to visit
> in Alaska. Betty & I are not wedded to any route but
> suggest we use the Flathead valley here as an assembly
> point. We have beds for 8 guests and serve world famous
> Kuffel Kakes in the morning.
> We also have friends in both Fairbanks and Anchorage who
> will be able to provide the group with logistical
> support.
>
> Tom Kuffel Whitefish, MT Building Original FireStar
> Flying the Prospector Pickemup
Tom/All:
And I'll second your suggestions.
Whitefish is a great place to meet up. It is on the way to
Alaska for anyone coming from the SE, E, and even folks from
the SW and W. hehehe
Friends in Fairbanks and Anchorage are worth their weight in
gold when you are flying a little airplane, all you have is
what you have with you in the airplane, and once on the
ground you are a ground pounder, 2.5 mph.
This flight is looking better all the time. I now have some
experience flying with others, i.e., John Williamson for a
couple days in July and the "five musketeers" on the Kitty
Hawk/London flight for three days. After having flown cross
countries solo for the last 19 years, it take a little time
to adjust to all the company. However, company is great
when one has a problem along the way, when the weather turns
sour, and someone else to share the fun and excitement of
doing long cross countries in Kolb or other makes of little
airplanes.
I'm ready to go!
john h
1991/2 MKIII, 1,937.4 hours airframe, 591.5 hours engine
(912S), 2.5 hours starter hehehe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Can you tell me where to look for the serial number
on early Firestars?
> BTW, before it started raining yesterday I
> got the opportunity to do two slowly accelerating
> take-off runs w/o VGs and both times it jumped off the
> ground at 32mph IAS at a take-off weight of 537# with
> full up elevator.
> Thom R. Early FS 377
Thom/All:
Early Firestars had no serial number.
Curious why you used full up elevator for take off?
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
Hi all ...
My shot of the Kolb Crew is on photoshare ...somthing happend in
the translation ...but .... Thanks again ... Dave
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| Subject: | [ Ted Cowan ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Ted Cowan <tcowan1917@direcway.com>
Subject: Kolb SlingShot
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/tcowan1917@direcway.com.10.26.2003/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
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4) One line Subject description:
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6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "rwash" <rwash@copper.net>
Hello List,
Due to illness I'm offering my KXP Firestar for sale. It has a loaded panel
with a 503 DCDI, brakes, partial enclosed, electric start, electric trim, wingtip
& belly strobes [wingtip double flash], chute, 113 TT, always hangered,
pristine condition, yellow & maroon. Asking 10,900. If interested I will email
you pictures. I built this plane over a 2 1/2 yr period with extra care & using
all butted joints with gussets. Located in North Central Ohio.
Ron Washburn
rwash@copper.net
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| Subject: | Re: bent 4130 steel gear legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs
If not, here is Braddock's url:
>
> http://braddockmt.com/
>
> For the Firestar I cut the gear legs to 35.5" and inserted
> them all the way in the gear leg socket until they bottomed
> out at the intersection
I too would like to have a pair of the 4130 gear legs. (actually the ones
that I have are fine, buttttttt, I would still like a pair) The big problem
facing most of us it the difficulty of ordering the 4130, making the welds
for the wheels, then sending it off to somewhere to hopefully be done
properly and then having them shipped back. I don't suppose that you or your
brother Jim, would be interested in making a few of them, sending them off
to be treated and then to us? Seems to me to be the perfect solution.
Larry,Oregon
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
John H, Tom K and all,
I can't find half the places you name on a map.
I have been playing with a route to get me around where I need to go. Here
is what it looks like:
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/gky-big-gky.gif
I am only going as far north as Fairbanks then turning south.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 497 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: bent 4130 steel gear legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
why doesn't new kolb just offer them as an optional gear?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs
>
>
> If not, here is Braddock's url:
> >
> > http://braddockmt.com/
> >
> > For the Firestar I cut the gear legs to 35.5" and inserted
> > them all the way in the gear leg socket until they bottomed
> > out at the intersection
>
>
> I too would like to have a pair of the 4130 gear legs. (actually the
ones
> that I have are fine, buttttttt, I would still like a pair) The big
problem
> facing most of us it the difficulty of ordering the 4130, making the welds
> for the wheels, then sending it off to somewhere to hopefully be done
> properly and then having them shipped back. I don't suppose that you or
your
> brother Jim, would be interested in making a few of them, sending them off
> to be treated and then to us? Seems to me to be the perfect solution.
> Larry,Oregon
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: bent 4130 steel gear legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Larry C/All:
> The big problem facing most of
> us it the difficulty of ordering the 4130,
Call Aircraft Spruce. You'll have it in a couple days.
They have a 800 number.
> making the
> welds for the wheels,
Take the old gear leg/axle socket off. Measure the angle
and length of leg you would like. Weld an axle socket
(tube) to the end of the gear leg. Do all the wheel
alignment and bolt drilling.
> then sending it off to somewhere to
> hopefully be done properly and then having them shipped
> back. Larry,Oregon
Get the address of Braddock Metal Treating off the internet.
Use Google. Send the gear legs to them UPS. Insert a
note on what you want done, heat treat to RC 48, and return
to you by UPS.
When you get them back, clean'em up, prime and paint. :-)
Not all that much to it if you really want a pair.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: bent 4130 steel gear legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Kolb does offer spring steel gear for the MKIII as a $395 option. They are
only app. two inches longer than the stock gear. If you want some thing else
you need to make your own.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
>
> why doesn't new kolb just offer them as an optional gear?
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| Subject: | Re: bent 4130 steel gear legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mid-State Sandblasting" <plane@rtmc.net>
I put a set of over load springs on my ultrastar after installing Subaru
engine. they worked great. never bent the landing gear after that.there are
a few pictures on my web site Http://soobydoonc.tripod.com Look on page
two for the ultrastar photos. This may give you some other ideas to work
with.
Randy sold the soobydoo and I sure miss it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs
>
>
> If not, here is Braddock's url:
> >
> > http://braddockmt.com/
> >
> > For the Firestar I cut the gear legs to 35.5" and inserted
> > them all the way in the gear leg socket until they bottomed
> > out at the intersection
>
>
> I too would like to have a pair of the 4130 gear legs. (actually the
ones
> that I have are fine, buttttttt, I would still like a pair) The big
problem
> facing most of us it the difficulty of ordering the 4130, making the welds
> for the wheels, then sending it off to somewhere to hopefully be done
> properly and then having them shipped back. I don't suppose that you or
your
> brother Jim, would be interested in making a few of them, sending them off
> to be treated and then to us? Seems to me to be the perfect solution.
> Larry,Oregon
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
John I went over to your site and watched the movies.
Did you try both engines on your kolbra?
How was the Verner?
I saw it on static display at Copper State, couldn't
make up my mind about it. Looked kinda rough built.
=====
Ron
Building M3X
Southern Arizona
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
John I went over to your site and watched the movies.
Did you try both engines on your kolbra?
How was the Verner?
I saw it on static display at Copper State, couldn't
make up my mind about it. Looked kinda rough built.
=====
Ron
Building M3X
Southern Arizona
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