---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/26/03: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:11 AM - Re: Vortex Generators (Thom Riddle) 2. 07:58 AM - Re: (Alaska) (John Hauck) 3. 08:04 AM - Re: Vortex Generators (John Hauck) 4. 08:58 AM - Kolb crew (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com) 5. 10:54 AM - [ Ted Cowan ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 6. 12:14 PM - KXP For Sale (rwash) 7. 12:51 PM - Re: bent 4130 steel gear legs (Larry Cottrell) 8. 03:20 PM - Re: (Alaska) (John Williamson) 9. 03:36 PM - Re: bent 4130 steel gear legs (chris davis) 10. 04:12 PM - Re: bent 4130 steel gear legs (John Hauck) 11. 04:32 PM - Re: bent 4130 steel gear legs (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 12. 04:32 PM - Re: bent 4130 steel gear legs (Mid-State Sandblasting) 13. 09:06 PM - Re: (Alaska) (CaptainRon) 14. 09:06 PM - Re: (Alaska) (CaptainRon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:36 AM PST US From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generators --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" John H. Thanks for the Firestar history. I did not build this aircraft and the previous owner does not know who did nor did the owner previous to him, and that is as far back as we were able to trace this bird. There is no documentation at all on this aircraft and I was told that it was an 84 model but did not know the history and can not find the serial number. Can you tell me where to look for the serial number on early Firestars? I would like to get a set of plans for this or similar aircraft, just in case. As I thought of the idea you mentioned of cutting the pitot tube at an angle I realized that the vertical angle mis-alignment in many situations is likely to be less a factor than the airflow mis-alignment due to cross winds, at least while on the ground. In any case, you are correct in the statement about whatever the IAS says under x condition will always be repeated under the same circumstances. BTW, before it started raining yesterday I got the opportunity to do two slowly accelerating take-off runs w/o VGs and both times it jumped off the ground at 32mph IAS at a take-off weight of 537# with full up elevator. Next time weather permits I will check the IAS accuracy with GPS headwind and tailwind average at 35mph IAS. And I will start installing the VGs and do some more take-off speed tests. I'll keep the list posted on my results. Do Not Archive Thom R. Early FS 377 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:12 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: (Alaska) --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > We second all of John's suggestions about places to visit > in Alaska. Betty & I are not wedded to any route but > suggest we use the Flathead valley here as an assembly > point. We have beds for 8 guests and serve world famous > Kuffel Kakes in the morning. > We also have friends in both Fairbanks and Anchorage who > will be able to provide the group with logistical > support. > > Tom Kuffel Whitefish, MT Building Original FireStar > Flying the Prospector Pickemup Tom/All: And I'll second your suggestions. Whitefish is a great place to meet up. It is on the way to Alaska for anyone coming from the SE, E, and even folks from the SW and W. hehehe Friends in Fairbanks and Anchorage are worth their weight in gold when you are flying a little airplane, all you have is what you have with you in the airplane, and once on the ground you are a ground pounder, 2.5 mph. This flight is looking better all the time. I now have some experience flying with others, i.e., John Williamson for a couple days in July and the "five musketeers" on the Kitty Hawk/London flight for three days. After having flown cross countries solo for the last 19 years, it take a little time to adjust to all the company. However, company is great when one has a problem along the way, when the weather turns sour, and someone else to share the fun and excitement of doing long cross countries in Kolb or other makes of little airplanes. I'm ready to go! john h 1991/2 MKIII, 1,937.4 hours airframe, 591.5 hours engine (912S), 2.5 hours starter hehehe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:00 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generators --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Can you tell me where to look for the serial number on early Firestars? > BTW, before it started raining yesterday I > got the opportunity to do two slowly accelerating > take-off runs w/o VGs and both times it jumped off the > ground at 32mph IAS at a take-off weight of 537# with > full up elevator. > Thom R. Early FS 377 Thom/All: Early Firestars had no serial number. Curious why you used full up elevator for take off? john h ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:32 AM PST US From: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb crew --> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com Hi all ... My shot of the Kolb Crew is on photoshare ...somthing happend in the translation ...but .... Thanks again ... Dave ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:14 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: [ Ted Cowan ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Ted Cowan Subject: Kolb SlingShot http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/tcowan1917@direcway.com.10.26.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:18 PM PST US From: "rwash" Subject: Kolb-List: KXP For Sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "rwash" Hello List, Due to illness I'm offering my KXP Firestar for sale. It has a loaded panel with a 503 DCDI, brakes, partial enclosed, electric start, electric trim, wingtip & belly strobes [wingtip double flash], chute, 113 TT, always hangered, pristine condition, yellow & maroon. Asking 10,900. If interested I will email you pictures. I built this plane over a 2 1/2 yr period with extra care & using all butted joints with gussets. Located in North Central Ohio. Ron Washburn rwash@copper.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:25 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs If not, here is Braddock's url: > > http://braddockmt.com/ > > For the Firestar I cut the gear legs to 35.5" and inserted > them all the way in the gear leg socket until they bottomed > out at the intersection I too would like to have a pair of the 4130 gear legs. (actually the ones that I have are fine, buttttttt, I would still like a pair) The big problem facing most of us it the difficulty of ordering the 4130, making the welds for the wheels, then sending it off to somewhere to hopefully be done properly and then having them shipped back. I don't suppose that you or your brother Jim, would be interested in making a few of them, sending them off to be treated and then to us? Seems to me to be the perfect solution. Larry,Oregon do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:20 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: (Alaska) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" John H, Tom K and all, I can't find half the places you name on a map. I have been playing with a route to get me around where I need to go. Here is what it looks like: http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/gky-big-gky.gif I am only going as far north as Fairbanks then turning south. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Jabiru 2200, 497 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:21 PM PST US From: "chris davis" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs --> Kolb-List message posted by: "chris davis" why doesn't new kolb just offer them as an optional gear? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hauck" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs > > > If not, here is Braddock's url: > > > > http://braddockmt.com/ > > > > For the Firestar I cut the gear legs to 35.5" and inserted > > them all the way in the gear leg socket until they bottomed > > out at the intersection > > > I too would like to have a pair of the 4130 gear legs. (actually the ones > that I have are fine, buttttttt, I would still like a pair) The big problem > facing most of us it the difficulty of ordering the 4130, making the welds > for the wheels, then sending it off to somewhere to hopefully be done > properly and then having them shipped back. I don't suppose that you or your > brother Jim, would be interested in making a few of them, sending them off > to be treated and then to us? Seems to me to be the perfect solution. > Larry,Oregon > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:10 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Hi Larry C/All: > The big problem facing most of > us it the difficulty of ordering the 4130, Call Aircraft Spruce. You'll have it in a couple days. They have a 800 number. > making the > welds for the wheels, Take the old gear leg/axle socket off. Measure the angle and length of leg you would like. Weld an axle socket (tube) to the end of the gear leg. Do all the wheel alignment and bolt drilling. > then sending it off to somewhere to > hopefully be done properly and then having them shipped > back. Larry,Oregon Get the address of Braddock Metal Treating off the internet. Use Google. Send the gear legs to them UPS. Insert a note on what you want done, heat treat to RC 48, and return to you by UPS. When you get them back, clean'em up, prime and paint. :-) Not all that much to it if you really want a pair. john h ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:10 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Kolb does offer spring steel gear for the MKIII as a $395 option. They are only app. two inches longer than the stock gear. If you want some thing else you need to make your own. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris davis" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "chris davis" > > why doesn't new kolb just offer them as an optional gear? ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:27 PM PST US From: "Mid-State Sandblasting" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mid-State Sandblasting" I put a set of over load springs on my ultrastar after installing Subaru engine. they worked great. never bent the landing gear after that.there are a few pictures on my web site Http://soobydoonc.tripod.com Look on page two for the ultrastar photos. This may give you some other ideas to work with. Randy sold the soobydoo and I sure miss it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hauck" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent 4130 steel gear legs > > > If not, here is Braddock's url: > > > > http://braddockmt.com/ > > > > For the Firestar I cut the gear legs to 35.5" and inserted > > them all the way in the gear leg socket until they bottomed > > out at the intersection > > > I too would like to have a pair of the 4130 gear legs. (actually the ones > that I have are fine, buttttttt, I would still like a pair) The big problem > facing most of us it the difficulty of ordering the 4130, making the welds > for the wheels, then sending it off to somewhere to hopefully be done > properly and then having them shipped back. I don't suppose that you or your > brother Jim, would be interested in making a few of them, sending them off > to be treated and then to us? Seems to me to be the perfect solution. > Larry,Oregon > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:01 PM PST US From: CaptainRon Subject: Re: Kolb-List: (Alaska) --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon John I went over to your site and watched the movies. Did you try both engines on your kolbra? How was the Verner? I saw it on static display at Copper State, couldn't make up my mind about it. Looked kinda rough built. ===== Ron Building M3X Southern Arizona __________________________________ Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:37 PM PST US From: CaptainRon Subject: Re: Kolb-List: (Alaska) --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon John I went over to your site and watched the movies. Did you try both engines on your kolbra? How was the Verner? I saw it on static display at Copper State, couldn't make up my mind about it. Looked kinda rough built. ===== Ron Building M3X Southern Arizona __________________________________ Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/