Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 12:02 AM - Re: M3X throttle configuration (Larry Bourne)
2. 03:20 AM - airport complaints (Airgriff2@aol.com)
3. 05:30 AM - Airport complaints (Rex Rodebush)
4. 06:04 AM - Re: [ Craig Nelson ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Denny Rowe)
5. 07:42 AM - Firestar Accident (John Hauck)
6. 08:02 AM - dual Facet fuel pumps, how best to plumb? (Jim Gerken)
7. 08:30 AM - Paul's Solo (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
8. 08:34 AM - Re: dual Facet fuel pumps, how best to plumb? (Larry Bourne)
9. 08:53 AM - fly in (Paul Petty)
10. 09:45 AM - Re: M3X throttle configuration (Jim Clayton)
11. 10:21 AM - Re: dual Facet fuel pumps, how best to plumb? (CaptainRon)
12. 10:35 AM - Re: dual Facet fuel pumps, how best to plumb? (Bob Bean)
13. 11:08 AM - Re: M3X throttle configuration (Larry Bourne)
14. 11:13 AM - Re: dual Facet fuel pumps, how best to plumb? (Larry Bourne)
15. 11:19 AM - Re: dual Facet fuel pumps, how best to plumb? (Don Gherardini)
16. 11:44 AM - Re: dual Facet fuel pumps, how best to plumb? (Robert Laird)
17. 11:47 AM - Re: M3X throttle configuration (Larry Bourne)
18. 12:26 PM - Mrk IIIX baggage door (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com)
19. 12:26 PM - Re: M3X throttle configuration (Jim Ballenger)
20. 12:32 PM - Fw: M3X throttle configuration (Jim Ballenger)
21. 12:33 PM - Throttles and Fuel Pumps (John Hauck)
22. 01:19 PM - Craig's Plane (Paul Petty)
23. 01:45 PM - John Hauck-Question for (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
24. 02:36 PM - Re: John Hauck-Question for (John Hauck)
25. 02:48 PM - rudder horn (Paul Petty)
26. 03:43 PM - Re: Mrk IIIX baggage door (ron wehba)
27. 03:56 PM - Re: rudder horn (James and Cathy Tripp)
28. 05:04 PM - Re: Throttles and Fuel Pumps (Duncan McBride)
29. 05:46 PM - Re: Craig's Plane (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com)
30. 05:55 PM - Re: John Hauck-Question for (Bob Bean)
31. 09:20 PM - Re: rudder horn (Don Gherardini)
32. 09:30 PM - Re: Craig's Plane (Don Gherardini)
33. 09:43 PM - Re: Craig's Plane (CaptainRon)
34. 10:23 PM - Re: rudder horn (CRAIG M NELSON)
Message 1
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: M3X throttle configuration |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
You're prob'ly gonna get as many opinions as there are people building, but
here's my .02................ when I 1st started fooling with this, it felt
uncomfortable reaching across my stomach for the throttle, so I built a new
throttle position on the left, giving me left hand for throttle, right hand
for stick. I've since been told that you quickly get used to reaching, but
I'm still gonna stick with one on each side. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Clayton" <jspc78@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: M3X throttle configuration
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
>
> Greetings all,
>
> The factory demonstrator and the drawings have a
> throttle lever for each seat, but some of the pictures
> of completed Mark 3's I've seen on the web have a
> traditional single throttle lever in the center, which
> I would prefer. Since my cage is about to be welded
> up, any advice to best prepare the cage for the
> single, center throttle? Should I ask TNK to skip
> installing the dual throttles?
>
> -Jim
>
> Jim Clayton
> California
> Mark-3X, Building
>
>
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | airport complaints |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
Thanks for the great responce to my questions in regards to neighbors
complaining of our flying of our small grass strip. There were alot of good thoughts
and ideas that I will take back to the club to see what we can to to improve
relationships with neighboring homes.
This is what makes this "list" priceless!
Fly Safe
Bob Griffin
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Airport complaints |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush@tema.net>
Another idea might be to fly high, throttle down & practice "engine outs" as a
routine on landing. At least you guys don't have homes on the strip. The story
about the rich old lady shutting down an airport community is scary.
Do not archive.
Rex Rodebush
................................................
Time: 11:28:27 AM PST US
From: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: airport complaints
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
If you have a private strip you can fly whatever
pattern you like. Even in the AIM the pattern we fly
is a recommended pattern. Off a Golf course you guys
can fly anything you wish......................
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: [ Craig Nelson ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
SMTPD_IN_RCVD
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> A new Email List Photo Share is available:
>
> Poster: Craig Nelson <vitalfx0@msn.com>
>
>
> Subject: MkIIIex Baggage Door
>
Wow Craig,
Thats one NICE F%
&*IN airplane!
Dennis Rowe, MK-3, PA
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Firestar Accident |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Morning Gang:
Just saw where a Firestar belonging to Paul "Bart"
Bartholomew, one of the original JAARS pilots, was involved
in an accident at Wax Haw, NC, home base for the JAARS
operation. The Firestar was registered in 1987. Once
before Bart accidentally hit the kill switch and thought he
had an engine out. The best he could do was put the
Firestar in the top of a big pine tree. The fall from the
top of the tree resulted in the injury of Bart's back.
For years, at Sun and Fun and Oshkosh, Bart was the narrator
for the JAARS Demonstration Team, doing a superb job of
describing the capabilities of Ole Serial Number 1, the
first Heliocurrior.
I gave him a call at home, but got the answering machine.
When I find out more info I will share with you all.
Take care,
john h
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | dual Facet fuel pumps, how best to plumb? |
11/04/2003 10:02:35 AM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
Well, it is not my first choice but I believe I will be running two Facet
low pressure electric fuel pumps. Driving a pulse pump from the BMW looks
problematic, if possible, due to the oil collection in the pulse line
(there's a lot more oil concern due to the engine's tendency to blow oil
out at every opportunity because both pistons hit bottom dead center at the
same time). So, that said, what is the consensus on how two Facet electric
pumps would be best connected together, serial or parallel? Will one pump
through the other (if serial) without problems? I can accept a slight loss
of pressure, these are 2.5-4.5 LBS pumps and they will be lifting 14 inches
on their inlets and 30 inches on their outlets. I would run one or the
other in normal operation, by using separate electrical switches. This
kind of requires a gauge then, to actually check the operation of each in
turn, for preflight check. And maybe I adopt the use-both-for-takeoff
procedure. I like the simplicity of the serial plumbing, there are fewer
connections. If doing something else (some parallel concept), it seems a
check valve (or two) would be needed to ensure one pump wouldn't pump
backwards through the other in the case of a pump failure.
Thanks for any thoughts you might have!
Jim Gerken
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Paul P -
Congrats on you first solo - that'll be an experience you'll never forget!
But one better will be when you take your homebuilt Kolb for its maiden
flight.
For all the excitement, fright, exhiliration, anxiety, etc. that you
experienced when soloing a Cessna-150, it will be DOUBLE that when you fly
your Kolb!
(And worth all of it!)
Fly safe -
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, Verner-powered in
New Mexico
do not archive
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: dual Facet fuel pumps, how best to plumb? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
A couple of weeks ago someone explained why pulse pumps wouldn't work on a 4
stroke. Made sense, so I think you've made the right decision. You might
want to check and see if the Facets have non-return valves built in. I know
the rotary pumps on Vamoose do, and it makes the parallel arrangement much
more feasible. The problem with serial pumps is that debris from the 1st
one can stop or restrict the flow of fuel thru the 2nd one. Aftermarket
non-returns may be available, too. At work we use simple, light, ball-check
valves on the chemical feeders for the cooling tower and the boilers. Seems
that if they'll work with the highly caustic additives, and with the
sulphuric acid that we use, they should just hold gasoline, and they last
about forever. We get 'em from Nalco, Inc., and I believe they have a large
presence in the Phoenix area................might be worth checking out.
You can see my fuel pumps in "Building Vamoose," and go to the fuel section.
It's a pretty simple hook-up. Your Uncle Craig's plane looks
great............show material for sure. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Gerken" <gerken@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: dual Facet fuel pumps, how best to plumb?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
>
>
> Well, it is not my first choice but I believe I will be running two Facet
> low pressure electric fuel pumps. Driving a pulse pump from the BMW looks
> problematic, if possible, due to the oil collection in the pulse line
> (there's a lot more oil concern due to the engine's tendency to blow oil
> out at every opportunity because both pistons hit bottom dead center at
the
> same time). So, that said, what is the consensus on how two Facet
electric
> pumps would be best connected together, serial or parallel? Will one pump
> through the other (if serial) without problems? I can accept a slight
loss
> of pressure, these are 2.5-4.5 LBS pumps and they will be lifting 14
inches
> on their inlets and 30 inches on their outlets. I would run one or the
> other in normal operation, by using separate electrical switches. This
> kind of requires a gauge then, to actually check the operation of each in
> turn, for preflight check. And maybe I adopt the use-both-for-takeoff
> procedure. I like the simplicity of the serial plumbing, there are fewer
> connections. If doing something else (some parallel concept), it seems a
> check valve (or two) would be needed to ensure one pump wouldn't pump
> backwards through the other in the case of a pump failure.
> Thanks for any thoughts you might have!
>
> Jim Gerken
>
>
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Looking for somewhere to go this weekend? There is a fly in in central Mississippi near Jackson. The central MS light flyers is hosting their 9th annual fly in and fish fry this Saturday. details can be found at http://www.centralmississippilightflyers.com/
Was a good time last year. There are 2 Kolb's on this field.
pp
do not archive
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | M3X throttle configuration |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
Hi Lar/all,
Sounds like the classic comes with a single, center
throttle, yes? And you have modified it to have a
throttle on the left side of the left seat, and and
keeping the center throttle for the right seat?
Take care, Jim
Jim Clayton
California
Mark-3X, Building
---> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne"
<biglar@gogittum.com>
when I 1st started fooling with this, it felt
uncomfortable reaching across my stomach for the
throttle, so I built a new
throttle position on the left, giving me left hand for
throttle, right hand
for stick. I've since been told that you quickly get
used to reaching, but
I'm still gonna stick with one on each side.
Lar.
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: dual Facet fuel pumps, how best to plumb? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
Well it seems that you pretty much deduced that
parallel is best.
In all cases I would do both pumps in parallel.
For true redundancy, I would also have both with their
own intake line and filter. Make sure you have a good
return line, and happy flying. I see 0 advantage, and
a few problems at running the pumps in serial.
In fact I may go the same route once I get around to
engine install and configuration.
==================================
So, that said, what is the consensus on
> how two Facet electric
> pumps would be best connected together, serial or
>
>
=====
Ron
Building M3X
Southern Arizona
__________________________________
http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: dual Facet fuel pumps, how best to plumb? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Jim Gerken wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
>
>
>Well, it is not my first choice but I believe I will be running two Facet
>low pressure electric fuel pumps.
>Jim Gerken
>
Can't offer any advice on the two-pump piping as I'm only running
one...the lowest
pressure pump Facet sells, and then reducing it to 2 psi after.
If you can locate the pump at the same level as the bottom of your tank
you can
eliminate any gravity related lifting problems.
I have a copper dip tube from the tank top to eliminate any leakage
possibilities,
to a plastic throwaway filter just before the pump and the reg right
after that.
-works fine. -BB
>
>
>
>
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: M3X throttle configuration |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yup, Classic comes with a single center throttle; I modified it (the new
one's on my website) and nope - no longer any center throttle. I guess it
would be fairly simple to provide 2 throttles, but I'll be flying alone most
of the time, and can operate the throttle for the passenger, if need be. I
also stayed with the center stick.........early on, when I looked at the
plane that gave me the gull wing idea, it was set up with dual sticks. They
work well - once you've climbed in over them, but I'm getting a little
creaky and stiff for that. Once again, my .02. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Clayton" <jspc78@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: M3X throttle configuration
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Lar/all,
>
> Sounds like the classic comes with a single, center
> throttle, yes? And you have modified it to have a
> throttle on the left side of the left seat, and and
> keeping the center throttle for the right seat?
>
> Take care, Jim
>
> Jim Clayton
> California
> Mark-3X, Building
>
>
> ---> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne"
> <biglar@gogittum.com>
> when I 1st started fooling with this, it felt
> uncomfortable reaching across my stomach for the
> throttle, so I built a new
> throttle position on the left, giving me left hand for
> throttle, right hand
> for stick. I've since been told that you quickly get
> used to reaching, but
> I'm still gonna stick with one on each side.
> Lar.
>
>
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: dual Facet fuel pumps, how best to plumb? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Thanks Bob..............you just triggered a thought. I have the plastic
throwaway fuel filter on the Baja Bug, and it'd only been on there about 6
months when I had some work done on it last week. (went to dual Webers)
The filter snapped like a dry twig. It might just be a good idea to tweak
yours a bit on each pre-flight, and have a spare handy. Apparently they
don't like ultraviolet. Surprised Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: dual Facet fuel pumps, how best to plumb?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
>
> Jim Gerken wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
> >
> >
> >Well, it is not my first choice but I believe I will be running two Facet
> >low pressure electric fuel pumps.
> >Jim Gerken
> >
> Can't offer any advice on the two-pump piping as I'm only running
> one...the lowest
> pressure pump Facet sells, and then reducing it to 2 psi after.
> If you can locate the pump at the same level as the bottom of your tank
> you can
> eliminate any gravity related lifting problems.
> I have a copper dip tube from the tank top to eliminate any leakage
> possibilities,
> to a plastic throwaway filter just before the pump and the reg right
> after that.
> -works fine. -BB
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: dual Facet fuel pumps, how best to plumb? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Jim/gang
I wont venture in to whether or not running your pumps in serial or
parrallel is the better way. I can certainly see advantages and
disadvantages to both methods. But..I wouild like to clear up a few things
here I have noticed that are not exactly correct.
1. Crankcase Pulse pumps will in fact work fine on 4-strokes. And all the
current production small industrial 4-stroke use them as factory equipment
because we have found that this is the most dependable method.(read that
less warranty..lower failure rates..and not dependant on other than engine
factors. et al switch failures..broken wires..electricity failures)
Remember...we attempt to get 3500 to 4000 hours without failures in this
industry.
2. "Facet" style electric pumps have little if no flow resistance when not
running...and Mikuni style pulse pumps have no flow resistance either..so
one can pump thru the other in serial fashion.
3 . The "new " style mikuni polymer bodied pulse pumps have significantly
more volume than the old cast aluminum bodied ones, and also are less prone
to vapor lock problems. They also vent excess oil that comes from the pulse
line better..in fact they are virtually impossible to "oil lock" when
mounted with the vent down. However, they are not rebuildable or repairable.
You mentioned that in the BMW engine, both pistons hit BDC/TDC together. OK
so this would likely give a very strong impulse. What information do you
have that suggests this would inhibit the use of a pulse pump?
I have searched my available info and cannot come up with "maximum or
minimum" impulse requirements and I am very curious on this subject.
thx....
Don Gherardini
Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
800-626-7326
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: dual Facet fuel pumps, how best to plumb? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
At 01:25 PM 11/4/2003, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
>2. "Facet" style electric pumps have little if no flow resistance when not
>running...and Mikuni style pulse pumps have no flow resistance either..so
>one can pump thru the other in serial fashion.
Empirically, I can tell you from first-hand experience, that a Facet _can_
create enough of a restriction to keep sufficient fuel from reaching the
carbs. I pitched the errant Facet, thus I didn't dissect it to find out
whether it was a particle caught in the pump, or if the built-in one-way
valves got jammed, but, regardless, when the pump was off and it was in
series, it (after 3 years of excellent use) failed in some way enough to
slow the flow so that when I wanted full power, it wouldn't deliver. (I
figured this out because I had a flow meter.)
From that point on, I run all my pumps in parallel. (But I still use
Facet's... I just leave 'em on all the time, now!)
-- Robert
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: M3X throttle configuration |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Hmmm................thought there was a picture of that thing on my site.
There is now..............look under "Building Vamoose," "Single Pictures,"
and open "Left Hand Throttle." Sorry 'bout that. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: M3X throttle configuration
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> You're prob'ly gonna get as many opinions as there are people building,
but
> here's my .02................ when I 1st started fooling with this, it
felt
> uncomfortable reaching across my stomach for the throttle, so I built a
new
> throttle position on the left, giving me left hand for throttle, right
hand
> for stick. I've since been told that you quickly get used to reaching,
but
> I'm still gonna stick with one on each side. Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Mrk IIIX baggage door |
11/04/2003 03:25:49 PM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
Craig:
Thats the best looking Kolb I have seen. Please stop - you are making some
of us look bad!
Erich Weaver
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: M3X throttle configuration |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Jim
The dual throttle is an option. I would confirm with TNK my preference.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Clayton" <jspc78@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: M3X throttle configuration
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
>
> Greetings all,
>
> The factory demonstrator and the drawings have a
> throttle lever for each seat, but some of the pictures
> of completed Mark 3's I've seen on the web have a
> traditional single throttle lever in the center, which
> I would prefer. Since my cage is about to be welded
> up, any advice to best prepare the cage for the
> single, center throttle? Should I ask TNK to skip
> installing the dual throttles?
>
> -Jim
>
> Jim Clayton
> California
> Mark-3X, Building
>
>
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | M3X throttle configuration |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: M3X throttle configuration
> Jim
> I was thinking the control stick. The throttle is as you stated .
> Jim Ballenger
> Flying a FS KXP 447
> Building a MK III X
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: M3X throttle configuration
>
>
> > Jim
> > The dual throttle is an option. I would confirm with TNK my preference.
> > Jim Ballenger
> > Flying a FS KXP 447
> > Building a MK III X
> > Virginia Beach, VA
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Clayton" <jspc78@yahoo.com>
> > To: "Kolb List posting" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:55 PM
> > Subject: Kolb-List: M3X throttle configuration
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > Greetings all,
> > >
> > > The factory demonstrator and the drawings have a
> > > throttle lever for each seat, but some of the pictures
> > > of completed Mark 3's I've seen on the web have a
> > > traditional single throttle lever in the center, which
> > > I would prefer. Since my cage is about to be welded
> > > up, any advice to best prepare the cage for the
> > > single, center throttle? Should I ask TNK to skip
> > > installing the dual throttles?
> > >
> > > -Jim
> > >
> > > Jim Clayton
> > > California
> > > Mark-3X, Building
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _-> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Message 21
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Throttles and Fuel Pumps |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Gang:
I use a center throttle and fly from the right seat.
MKIII's fly the same, one seat or the other. To make it
work real nice from the right seat, I have dual controls.
This provides me with a control stick between my legs.
I have flown the factory MKIII in the standard
configuration, center stick, center throttle. After 5
minutes I was I was comfortable with it, although, I don't
want my own airplane configured that way.
I can hold the stick with my knees, control the aircraft to
a limited degree with them, while I do other chores in the
cockpit, like unfolding charts, loading film in the camera,
feeding my face and getting a drink of water.
I had the same set up in my Firestar, throttle left and
stick between my legs.
I have used Facet fuel pumps since the original Firestar
days as a boost/backup pump for the engine driven pump,
whether mikuni pulse or engine driven diaphragm type. I
always plumb them in series. I use the boost pump for take
off and landings, plus when I am flying below 1,000 feet
AGL. Never worn out a Facet. Never had one block the
delivery of fuel.
I have had two engine failures because of pilot error for
not draining and checking fuel after refueling from
"unknown" type sources. One was water, the other was tiny
nylon bristles from the flushing of a new fuel pump filler
hose and a 1,000 gal fuel trailer.
I use a standard mesh finger strainer in the bottom of the
fuel tank, into the facet (located at the bottom level of
the tank), through a Purolator cartridge type fuel filter
that uses nylon cylindrical filter elements, through the
engine driven pump to a "T" and then to each carb. System
works great as long as pilot does his job. Close to 3,000
hours on this system in MKIII and Firestar without failure
of the system. The Puralator filter was first installed on
my Ultrastar in 1984. Wish I knew how many gallons of fuel
have been pumped through that little filter in the last 19
years. I did make one major modification to the Purolator.
I changed out the glass cylinder and replaced it with a
.058 X 7/8 or 1 inch aluminum tube. The original glass
cracked the first night I had it installed on the Ultrastar
and drained 6 gal of fuel on the ground.
I prefer to keep my systems as simple and user friendly as
possible. You can make yours as complicated as you desire.
It is the nature of our system!
Take care,
john h
Message 22
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
I second that remark! Wow what a fine airplane. Those seats! The cowl! The paint
job! I can't stop looking at her. Craig,post some more photo's
do not archive
pp
Message 23
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | John Hauck-Question for |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
Hey Hauck,
From your last posts, you seem to know Homer and Dennis Souder the best than all
of us from this list. Can you provide any insight on why we don't hear from
Dennis S. any longer on this list? I know he first agreed to stay with the New
Kolb on a consulting basis, and watched this list and occasionally provided
some posts with great advise.
I guess I'm asking you because you are still asked to fly company demo planes at
fly-ins and see and talk to the Kolb factory crew.
Regards,
Tim Gherkins
do not archive
Message 24
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: John Hauck-Question for |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Can you
>> provide any insight on why we don't hear from Dennis S.
>> any longer on this list? I know he first agreed to
>> stay with the New Kolb on a consulting basis, and
>> watched this list and occasionally provided some posts
>> with great advise.
> Tim Gherkins
Tim/All:
Sorry. I can not answer your question. Recommend you
contact Dennis directly through his email address. I have
not had contact with Dennis for some time.
I was not aware that Dennis Souder "agreed to stay with the
New Kolb on a consulting basis".
As far as I know, no one from Old Kolb came over with or did
any advising, once the initial "turn over" and "move" was
accomplished.
Take care,
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Message 25
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Did any of you rivet the rudder horn on to the rudder then cover. Or rivet the
horn on after covering? Or does it matter.
pp
Message 26
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Mrk IIIX baggage door |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
just wish mine had a pod to paint,,ron flying a original
ultrastar!!,yee'haw!
----- Original Message -----
From: <Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Mrk IIIX baggage door
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
>
>
> Craig:
>
> Thats the best looking Kolb I have seen. Please stop - you are making
some
> of us look bad!
>
> Erich Weaver
>
>
Message 27
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
Paul,
There's 2 control horns on the rudder. I riveted both in place before
covering. There's no way to do it afterwards, at least on the FS.
James Tripp
FSII
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: rudder horn
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
> Kolbers,
> Did any of you rivet the rudder horn on to the rudder then cover. Or rivet
the horn on after covering? Or does it matter.
>
> pp
>
>
Message 28
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Throttles and Fuel Pumps |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
I have the dual sticks and the center throttle. I'm left-handed, and have
no sense of tradition, so using my left hand on the stick and right on the
throttle works just fine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Throttles and Fuel Pumps
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Hi Gang:
>
> I use a center throttle and fly from the right seat.
> MKIII's fly the same, one seat or the other. To make it
> work real nice from the right seat, I have dual controls.
> This provides me with a control stick between my legs.
Message 29
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Craig's Plane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
NICE SHIP !!!!
Message 30
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: John Hauck-Question for |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
My guess is Dennis monitors the list from the viewpoint of a parent
watching his
semi-adult child. Curious but not intrusive. Guys like Craig probably
keep him
on the hook. -that is unless he has a new squeeze agoin'. Then the hell
wit
airplanes. -BB do not archive
Gherkins Tim-rp3420 wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
>
>Hey Hauck,
>
>>From your last posts, you seem to know Homer and Dennis Souder the best than
all of us from this list. Can you provide any insight on why we don't hear from
Dennis S. any longer on this list? I know he first agreed to stay with the
New Kolb on a consulting basis, and watched this list and occasionally provided
some posts with great advise.
>I guess I'm asking you because you are still asked to fly company demo planes
at fly-ins and see and talk to the Kolb factory crew.
>
>Regards,
>
>Tim Gherkins
>
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
Message 31
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
I riveted mine to the horn 1st..set it up and rigged it..the entire
plane....that away I could make any changes If needed to without bothering
the fabric..
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
Message 32
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Craig's Plane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Thats a beautiful bird Craig!...(APPLAUSE)...
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
Message 33
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Craig's Plane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
That is a gorgeous looking airplane. Its really a
poster child for the Mark 3 Xtra. That pod is really
great looking. Takes away that jungle of protrusions
that so typifies the engines of our class of
airplane.
=====
Ron
Building M3X
Southern Arizona
__________________________________
http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
Message 34
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
Paul,
Tim and I put the horn on first. that way you can put real nice reinforcing tape
around the horn. Just looks moor air-crafty to me.
Uncle Craig
MKIIIex912uls
Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Petty
Subject: Kolb-List: rudder horn
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Did any of you rivet the rudder horn on to the rudder then cover. Or rivet the
horn on after covering? Or does it matter.
pp
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|