Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:33 AM - List Fund Raiser - Wow, Have You Seen The Free Gifts? (Matt Dralle)
2. 05:44 AM - Re: List Fund Raiser - Wow, Have You Seen The Free Gifts? (Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com)
3. 06:20 AM - Original Firestar Totalled (John Hauck)
4. 07:47 AM - Craig Nelson (Clay Stuart)
5. 08:58 AM - insert (Paul Petty)
6. 09:43 AM - Re: insert (John Hauck)
7. 09:51 AM - Re: insert (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
8. 11:20 AM - Re: insert (Paul Petty)
9. 11:34 AM - painting tip (woody)
10. 12:28 PM - Dual Facet fuel pumps (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
11. 12:33 PM - Re: insert (John Hauck)
12. 12:55 PM - Re: M3X throttle configuration (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
13. 01:54 PM - Re: insert (Paul Petty)
14. 02:30 PM - Re: painting tip (John Hauck)
15. 03:25 PM - shuting down private strips (boyd young)
16. 03:25 PM - paterns at private strips (boyd young)
17. 05:32 PM - Re: Craig Nelson (CRAIG M NELSON)
18. 06:09 PM - Re: Craig Nelson (John Hauck)
19. 07:34 PM - Re: painting tip (woody)
20. 08:35 PM - Re: epoxy primer (CRAIG M NELSON)
21. 10:16 PM - Re: insert (CaptainRon)
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| Subject: | List Fund Raiser - Wow, Have You Seen The Free Gifts? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
The List Fund Raiser is going well so far this year and I wanted to say
"Thank You" to everyone that has made a Contribution already this year!
Though the generous support of Andy Gold and the Builders Bookstore (
http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I'm able to offer some truly awesome gifts
with qualifying Contributions this year. There's quite a line up and a
rather diverse set of options - certainly something for every taste and
personality. Here's a list of this year's fine options:
* List Archive CD
* Aircraft Builder's Log
* Pilot Flashlight System
* Pro Pilot Logbook
* FAR/AIM on CD
* Jeppesen Flight Bag
* Aviation History Book
* Techstar Flight Computer
Please support your Email List Community AND pick up a really slick Gift at
the same time! The SSL Secure Contribution web site can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Once again, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously supported
the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists Services here on the
Matronics servers!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: List Fund Raiser - Wow, Have You Seen The Free Gifts? |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com
Matt, I just sent in a contribution to your fine publication. I did
notice one thing though. The time stamp is three hours earlier than I am
here in the central time zone. So either you have not turned your clock
back yet or you are in the Alaska time zone.....
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| Subject: | Original Firestar Totalled |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Morning Gang:
Just got off the phone with Paul "Bart" Bartholomew, Wax
Hax, NC. Was good to talk to him. Been a long time.
The Original Firestar was built by Bart and three other
JAARS people in 1987. They shared ownership in the
ultralight. It was registered experimental, the only one I
know of sporting an "N" number.
JAARS is the acronym for Jungle Air and Radio Service. They
support translators for the Wycliff Bible Society,
translating the Bible into some languages that do not have
written words. In these cases, they must develop the
written language in order to translate the Bible. They work
primarily in South American, the Pacific, and other remote
countries of the world. Here is a link to their web site:
http://www.jaars.org/
This is the link to the aviation side of JAARS:
http://www.jaars.org/aviation.shtml
Neil was flying the Firestar when it went down. He was
doing the classic low level, slow flight around a group of
friends on the ground. Got to slow, too tight, stalled the
aircraft and went into the woods. Left wing made contact
with a tree trunk about 6" in diameter, just to the left of
the fuselage. This caused the aircraft to spin left helping
dissipate a lot of energy while it was still crashing. Neil
ended up with a cut on his forehead only. Another Kolb
survivor. However, the Firestar is now history. Bart said
it was too far gone for rebuild.
This Firestar was still powered by the original 377 Rotax
and had 870 hours time on airframe and engine. Bart told me
if you take care of the engine, watch those temps, that they
will last a long time. This is probably record time for a
377 without a crank rebuild. Their flights were made
primarily at 4,300 rpm. Not in a hurry to go anywhere, they
sorta levitated over the trees and mountains, enjoying what
God has given them. This was Homer Kolb's idea of what the
Ultrastar and Firestar were to be used for.
They have acquired a Firestar II and are in the process of
getting it flyable. It is powered by a 503 and is "N" numbered.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Man, I'm never going to get my plane finished after seeing Craig's work. I just
ordered a joggle tool to make my fuel doors flush mounted. I hadn't thought
of that before. I am planning on using Hartwell flush mount cowl latches to
secure the doors instead of Craig's cam-locks. Should they be OK?
Craig can you detail all the switches on the panel below your instrument pod?
I plan on using the stock Mark IIIXtra pod inverted to look much like Craig's,
but maybe put my GPS on a stalk mount off to my left. I don't believe that there
is enough room for the GPS on the stock pod.
Craig, what is the little scooped out place on your nose cone for? How did you
fabricate that change?
Craig, when are you going to start taking orders for engine cowlings?
Thanks,
Clay Stuart
Building Xtra, but losing ground because of Craig's inspiring craftsmanship
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Last night I was finishing up the rudder and when I got to the part of installing
the rudder's leading edge insert or spar insert as the plans call it I realized
that I wound up with 2 6"x.750x.058 tubing instead of 1 12" piece that the
plans call for. Would any of you use the 2 pieces in there or order a 12" piece
from somewhere?
pp
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Paul/All:
Think about that piece a minute, what its purpose in life
is, then decide what to do.
If you have anymore questions, let'em fly.
john h
Would any
> of you use the 2 pieces in there or order a 12" piece
> from somewhere?
>
> pp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Paul
Been there and done that. Order a 12" piece. Don't second guess the designer
on structural issues. It is a good lesson that I'm sure you know now but
read very carefully and read ahead. There are a number of places were you
have to cut you stock just right so that you have the right length for a
later piece.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: insert
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
> Kolbers,
> Last night I was finishing up the rudder and when I got to the part of
installing the rudder's leading edge insert or spar insert as the plans call
it I realized that I wound up with 2 6"x.750x.058 tubing instead of 1 12"
piece that the plans call for. Would any of you use the 2 pieces in there or
order a 12" piece from somewhere?
>
> pp
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Well.... the insert is where the rudder horn rivet's to the rudder...soooo I
assume it's purpose in life is to add strength to that section of the
rudder. But I was wondering if the extra strength was in it's length or
thickness. Guess I better order a new piece... bummer more waiting oh well..
Not going to have the painted steel parts back for week anyway. Did you all
let the epoxy primer cure for 7 days like Jim has suggested ?
pp
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: insert
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Paul/All:
>
> Think about that piece a minute, what its purpose in life
> is, then decide what to do.
>
> If you have anymore questions, let'em fly.
>
> john h
>
> Would any
> > of you use the 2 pieces in there or order a 12" piece
> > from somewhere?
> >
> > pp
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
I looked at the photo of Craigs plane today. I remembered an old tip to
make paint design more artisticly pleasing. If you outline the colours in
black either with a small paint brush or 1/16 or 1/8 pinstipping tape the
design will be a lot more dramatic. Check it out . Print a copy of craigs
plane and then ink in an outline between each colour. A good paint scheme
becomes a great paint scheme.
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| Subject: | Dual Facet fuel pumps |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Jim Gerken wrote:
<<what is the consensus on how two Facet electric
pumps would be best connected together, serial or parallel? Will one pump
through the other (if serial) without problems?>>
Jim, and Kolbers -
My vote would be install in series.
My Verner (2cyl, 4-stroke, horiz opposed) came equipped with a mechanical
pump, but I installed a Facet in series with it. I turn the Facet on for
takeoffs & landings. The Facet will still allow fuel to pass if failed or
turned off. No need for a check valve, which would only introduce more
failure points. The solid-state nature of the Facet makes it simple and
reliable for many (hundreds, probably thousands) of hours. Two Facets
should give you plenty of redundancy.
Good luck with the BMW installation!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, s/n-300
Cedar Crest, NM
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Well.... the insert is where the rudder horn rivet's to
> the rudder...soooo I assume it's purpose in life is to
> add strength to that section of the rudder. But I was
> wondering if the extra strength was in it's length or
> thickness. Guess I better order a new piece... bummer
> more waiting oh well.. Not going to have the painted
> steel parts back for week anyway. Did you all let the
> epoxy primer cure for 7 days like Jim has suggested ?
>
> pp
Paul/All:
If I am not badly mistaken, you are right.
There is a tremendous about of stress put on the rudder at
the point the rudder horn is attached. This is caused
primarily by the load of the rudder cables. During normal
operation, the load is normal. However, as the stress
factor is increased on the pilot, so it is on the rudder
pedals, cables, horn, and leading edge of the rudder.
If you installed two 6" pieces instead of one 12" piece, the
inserts would not do much good when the pilot got scared and
pushed the rudder pedals through the nose cone.
Take care,
john h
PS: What size is that tube?
PSS: Don't forget to put the sleeves (inserts) in the
trailing edge of the horizontal and vertical stabilizer. I
also added inserts in the leading edges of the horizontal
and upper vertical stabilizer. One of these days I am going
to put some 1/16" SS cable on them to stabilize the leading
edges which do move around a bit during flight.
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| Subject: | Re: M3X throttle configuration |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Big Lar wrote:
<< it felt uncomfortable reaching across my stomach for the throttle, so I
built a new throttle position on the left, giving me left hand for throttle,
right hand for stick. Lar.>>
I did the same thing on my Mark-3 Classic.
During construction, I sat for many hours in the left seat of the cockpit
and could not get comfortable reaching across my stomach with my left hand
to grasp the throttle. Felt very awkward. Welded a small tab on the left
side of the cockpit for a new throttle quadrant mount. Glad I did it! I
find that my throttle hand (left) is on the throttle 90 percent of the time.
Dennis Kirby
N93DK
New Mexico
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
I called Travis and ordered a new piece..
do not archive
pp
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: insert
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> > Well.... the insert is where the rudder horn rivet's to
> > the rudder...soooo I assume it's purpose in life is to
> > add strength to that section of the rudder. But I was
> > wondering if the extra strength was in it's length or
> > thickness. Guess I better order a new piece... bummer
> > more waiting oh well.. Not going to have the painted
> > steel parts back for week anyway. Did you all let the
> > epoxy primer cure for 7 days like Jim has suggested ?
> >
> > pp
>
> Paul/All:
>
> If I am not badly mistaken, you are right.
>
> There is a tremendous about of stress put on the rudder at
> the point the rudder horn is attached. This is caused
> primarily by the load of the rudder cables. During normal
> operation, the load is normal. However, as the stress
> factor is increased on the pilot, so it is on the rudder
> pedals, cables, horn, and leading edge of the rudder.
>
> If you installed two 6" pieces instead of one 12" piece, the
> inserts would not do much good when the pilot got scared and
> pushed the rudder pedals through the nose cone.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> PS: What size is that tube?
>
> PSS: Don't forget to put the sleeves (inserts) in the
> trailing edge of the horizontal and vertical stabilizer. I
> also added inserts in the leading edges of the horizontal
> and upper vertical stabilizer. One of these days I am going
> to put some 1/16" SS cable on them to stabilize the leading
> edges which do move around a bit during flight.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: painting tip |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
If you outline the colours in
> black either with a small paint brush or 1/16 or 1/8 pinstipping tape the
> design will be a lot more dramatic. Check it out . A good paint scheme
> becomes a great paint scheme. Woody
Woody of the North (South Canada)/All:
Thanks a lot.
I think you hurt Miss P'fer's feelings.
She ain't got no black outline on her paint scheme.
Her pilot felt that made the paint job look to busy.
Shucks!
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | shuting down private strips |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Thanks for the great responce to my questions in regards to neighbors
complaining of our flying of our small grass strip. There were alot of good thoughts
a few years ago there was a simular problem...... 20 miles from here there is
a private airport on a hilside and a developer wanted to put a subdivision on
one end of the airport thus causing the airport to be closed. the owner
of the private strip petitioned the faa to have a buffer zone at the end of the
runway, to my knowledg the faa inspected the airport and found it to be installed
legaly and the subdivision is not there. in short if you were to check
with your local fsdo office maybe they can give you some sugestions.
also the tremonton municipal airport was closed because the city no longer wanted
it and there was nothing the fbo opperator could do about it. go figure
good luck
boyd
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| Subject: | paterns at private strips |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
If you have a private strip you can fly whatever
pattern you like. Even in the AIM the pattern we fly
is a recommended pattern. Off a Golf course you guys
can fly anything you wish......................
this is probably true.... but you should inform the faa of the patterns you are
using so that it can be added to or updated in the airport directory. thay
way if anyone were to visit they would not cause you a problem. there has also
been complaints from golfers.. with that possibility it is or could be a
catch 22 problem.
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Craig Nelson |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
Clay,
thanks for the kind words---It's not just me, Milow Tim has helped also. He is
the man behind the HVLP paint sprayer. We hope to get our web sight up again.
the Hartwell latches will work fine.
as far as the switches below the panel, first is the intercom below that is the
com radio and then the transponder. IN the next row the far right switch is
the avionics master it will power the gps radio transponder. and eis. each of
which has a circuit barker underneath. the next switch is the strobe switch, which
also has a circuit barker on the bottom row, the switch to the right of that
is an aux, fuel pump which is also protected by a circuit barker. the next
hole is for the master switch. I haven't decided where to pot the mag switches
or the starter switch. I think I will use switches instead of keys because I
don't think I'm going to do the new starter for the uls. The Rotax distributor
here in the Phoenix area has shown me how to start without the slipper clutch
and moor powerful starter. Turn the engine over with throttle closed and mags
off for 3 seconds.poower up the mags and it fires right up no shake no rattle
no roll. and no there isn't enough room for a gps that's why the new pod.
The scoop is a naca air duct (copied from an Indy car) for ventilation in the hot
desert. just cut a hole in the fiber glass and bonded it in. I'm going to sell
cowlings just need to see the performance first.
Uncle Craig MKIIIex912uls
Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: Clay Stuart
Subject: Kolb-List: Craig Nelson
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Man, I'm never going to get my plane finished after seeing Craig's work. I just
ordered a joggle tool to make my fuel doors flush mounted. I hadn't thought
of that before. I am planning on using Hartwell flush mount cowl latches to
secure the doors instead of Craig's cam-locks. Should they be OK?
Craig can you detail all the switches on the panel below your instrument pod?
I plan on using the stock Mark IIIXtra pod inverted to look much like Craig's,
but maybe put my GPS on a stalk mount off to my left. I don't believe that there
is enough room for the GPS on the stock pod.
Craig, what is the little scooped out place on your nose cone for? How did you
fabricate that change?
Craig, when are you going to start taking orders for engine cowlings?
Thanks,
Clay Stuart
Building Xtra, but losing ground because of Craig's inspiring craftsmanship
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| Subject: | Re: Craig Nelson |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I think I
> will use switches instead of keys because I don't think
> I'm going to do the new starter for the uls. The Rotax
> distributor here in the Phoenix area has shown me how to
> start without the slipper clutch and moor powerful
> starter. Turn the engine over with throttle closed and
> mags off for 3 seconds.poower up the mags and it fires
> right up no shake no rattle no roll.
Uncle Craig
Uncle Craig/All:
I started my 912S for 600 hours with the little starter and
minus the slip clutch.
I knew how to start it and very seldom ever got it into the
shakes. Got used to that way of starting.
Updated to new starter and slip clutch recently. Cost was
$651.00. Lot of money, but worth every penny of it. I'll
never look back. Hit the new starter, hear a short
zippp!!!!!!!!!! and the 912S is idling.
The slip clutch is a great improvement over the original
spring loaded dogs. Torsional vibration dampening is taken
care of much better than the older system. Most engine
vibrate feedback in the airframe is gone. What else can I
say? There is more to it than simply start up!
john h
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| Subject: | Re: painting tip |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Didn't mean to hurt the little ladys feelins. On my Twinstar I did all
but one wing with the tape ( ran out of tape for the last wing) The
difference is very noticeable but the reason it is noticeable is not readily
apparent. Perhaps you southern gents have a different perspective on art
:).
>
> I think you hurt Miss P'fer's feelings.
>
> She ain't got no black outline on her paint scheme.
>
> Her pilot felt that made the paint job look to busy.
>
> Shucks!
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: epoxy primer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Petty
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: insert
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" ppetty@c-gate.net
Did you all
let the epoxy primer cure for 7 days like Jim has suggested ?
pp
We primed lots of parts whale we were building the wings and control surfaces but
the cowl and nose pieces we primed and waited about 15 to 20 min for them to
tack up then sprayed aero-thane right over it.
uncle Craig MKIIIex 912uls
Arizona
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
As soon as the paint was dry, I don't remember how
long I worked with it. The only thing i would want to
add is that do not over coat with epoxy, it could make
things impossible to fit. :-)
Ain't nothing more irritating than have to grind that
tough paint off after you just spent a bunch of time
mixing aging, and painting.
do not archive
Did you all
> let the epoxy primer cure for 7 days like Jim has
> suggested ?
>
> pp
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John HaHauck<jhjhaucklelmorerrrom>
> To: <kokolbist@mamatronicsom>
> Subject: Re: KoKolbist: insert
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> > --> KoKolbist message posted by: John HaHauck>
<jhjhaucklelmorerrrom>
> >
> > Paul/All:
> >
> > Think about that piece a minute, what its purpose
> in life
> > is, then decide what to do.
> >
> > If you have anymore questions, let'em fly.
> >
> > john h
> >
> > Would any
> > > of you use the 2 pieces in there or order a 12"
> piece
> > > from somewhere?
> > >
> > > pp
> >
> >
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