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1. 08:07 AM - Aircraft Noise (Larry Bourne)
2. 08:14 AM - Re: Loss of RPM on Takeoff (NealMcCann@aol.com)
3. 08:21 AM - Re: Aircraft Noise (Bob Bean)
4. 09:14 AM - Warp Drive Props (John Hauck)
5. 09:14 AM - Noise Again (Larry Bourne)
6. 09:18 AM - Re: Left Rudder? (Aaron Hollingsworth)
7. 09:21 AM - Re: tail weight (Aaron Hollingsworth)
8. 09:35 AM - Radio REALLY sucks (Aaron Hollingsworth)
9. 09:58 AM - [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? (Matt Dralle)
10. 10:37 AM - Re: Aircraft Noise (Richard Pike)
11. 10:40 AM - Re: Left Rudder? (Richard Pike)
12. 10:44 AM - Re: tail weight (Richard Pike)
13. 10:49 AM - Re: Radio REALLY sucks (Richard Pike)
14. 10:52 AM - Re: Noise Again (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
15. 11:19 AM - Re: Radio REALLY sucks (Denny Rowe)
16. 11:46 AM - weight and bal (boyd young)
17. 11:58 AM - Re: Rod End Bearings and Fender Washers (CaptainRon)
18. 12:13 PM - Re: [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? (CaptainRon)
19. 12:22 PM - Re: Aircraft Noise (John Hauck)
20. 12:34 PM - Re: weight and bal (Aaron Hollingsworth)
21. 12:38 PM - rudder tab (Aaron Hollingsworth)
22. 12:43 PM - Re: Rod End Bearings and Fender Washers (John Hauck)
23. 12:48 PM - Re: weight and bal (John Hauck)
24. 12:50 PM - 1,000,000 Young Eagle rides! (Denny Rowe)
25. 01:02 PM - Re: 1,000,000 Young Eagle rides! (Bob N.)
26. 01:29 PM - Re: Warp Drive Props (John Clayton)
27. 01:34 PM - Re: weight and bal (Aaron Hollingsworth)
28. 01:44 PM - Re: rudder tab (Timandjan@aol.com)
29. 02:13 PM - Loss of RPM on Takeoff-problem solved! (John Raeburn)
30. 03:44 PM - NAPA (Paul Petty)
31. 03:50 PM - Re: weight and bal (John Hauck)
32. 03:56 PM - Re: Warp Drive Props (John Hauck)
33. 04:10 PM - Fw: rear windows (CRAIG M NELSON)
34. 04:18 PM - Vamoose Logo (Larry Bourne)
35. 04:32 PM - Re: Vamoose Logo (Larry Bourne)
36. 04:56 PM - Re: Fw: rear windows (CaptainRon)
37. 05:12 PM - Re: weight and bal (Aaron Hollingsworth)
38. 06:02 PM - Re: NAPA (HShack@aol.com)
39. 06:43 PM - Re: NAPA (Larry Bourne)
40. 07:32 PM - inquire about (ron wehba)
41. 08:09 PM - Re: Fw: rear windows (Richard Pike)
42. 08:25 PM - Re: weight and bal (Richard Pike)
43. 08:25 PM - Re: Fw: rear windows (Richard Pike)
44. 08:30 PM - Re: rudder tab (Richard Pike)
45. 08:34 PM - Re: Aircraft Noise (Richard Pike)
46. 09:11 PM - Re: Aircraft Noise (John Hauck)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Food for thought, and re-bringing up an old subject. I was kicked back in my recliner
a couple of minutes ago, relaxing after breakfast before the day's chores
and reading a book. A small plane flew over, out of Palm Springs International
(PSP) and you wouldn't believe the racket that little bugger made. I think
his airspeed must've been about 15 knots, cause it took him forever to go
past, and that loud, penetrating raspberry sound the whole way. It helps make
me really understand some of these people who scream so loud about noisy airplanes.
I don't think the 2 strokes with their mufflers are as bad, but if you
have, or ever get a 4 stroke, think long and hard about those straight stacks
pointing down. Yes, I know the 912's have mufflers, too. Irritated
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Re: Loss of RPM on Takeoff |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: NealMcCann@aol.com
-might also check that the carb floats don't bind and stick on climbout.
Rotax had a float modification a few years back due to this happening.
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Noise |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Ya oughta hear a pack of Harley's going down the thruway.....doesn't
bother me
because I'm far enough away, but I can't figure why anyone would want to
ride
on top of all that racket all day. I guess if you pulled up to a biker
nightspot on
a quiet ride you'd suffer from scorn and derision. -BB do not archive
Larry Bourne wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>Food for thought, and re-bringing up an old subject. I was kicked back in my
recliner a couple of minutes ago, relaxing after breakfast before the day's chores
and reading a book. A small plane flew over, out of Palm Springs International
(PSP) and you wouldn't believe the racket that little bugger made. I think
his airspeed must've been about 15 knots, cause it took him forever to go
past, and that loud, penetrating raspberry sound the whole way. It helps make
me really understand some of these people who scream so loud about noisy airplanes.
I don't think the 2 strokes with their mufflers are as bad, but if you
have, or ever get a 4 stroke, think long and hard about those straight stacks
pointing down. Yes, I know the 912's have mufflers, too. Irritated
Lar. Do not Archive.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
>www.gogittum.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Warp Drive Props |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Morning Gang:
Just got off the phone with Darrell at Warp Drive. He is
the guy that is going to answer the phone when you call. He
will be the one to recommend what prop to fly on your airplane.
Warp Drive has come a long way since the days Dennis Souder
shared with us, when Dennis would call Warp Drive and they
would try to figure out what was going to work best on that
particular application.
They have the numbers now on most all applications, except
some of the newer aircraft, and they will obtain figures for
them ASAP.
Warp has one of the best guarantees of the prop
manufacturers - lifetime customer satisfaction.
I called Darrell this morning to see if he would put white
tips on my blades. Also to confirm the new polished prop
hub will fit the 5" spinner. The last hub and spinner I got
from them, the hub was slightly smaller than the spinner.
This system did not work well in the pusher configuration.
Now, that problem has been eliminated. Does the spinner
improve performance in the pusher configuration? I don't
know, but it does make the airplane look better. I got a
chance to see the polished hub, spinner, and white tips at
Oshkosh. They are an improvement on what I have now.
With the new starter and slip clutch installed in my 912S, I
anxiously await the arrival of my new prop. I flew the
first 100 hours or so on the 912S with the 72" prop. It has
been three years ago, but I still remember the kick in the
butt those long blades made when I poured the coal to Miss
P'fer.
Check out Warp Drive's web site:
http://www.warpdriveprops.com/
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I guess I owe 4 banger pilots everywhere an abject apology. That idiot just went
over again for the 3rd or 4th time, so I finally cranked myself outa that comfy
chair, and went to take a look. (today is my Saturday) It was a Cessna
337 pushme/pullya twin, and I've rarely heard such a racket. Must be at full
throttle, with the props on fine pitch, I guess. No wonder non-pilots make a
fuss at times. Grumblin' Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Re: Left Rudder? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron@gamespeak.com>
Thanks for the info. I have been flying with a new GA instructor (working on
finishing my GA ticket) and have been flying with the mentioned extra tail
weight. We did power off stalls today. We found that in the 6 or so stall we
did that the left wing would always drop off. Not too drastically, but a
good 20 deg or so. Recovery was very easy, just let it nose down, gain
airspeed with leveling wings, add a little power and level nose. Pretty
uneventful.
One thing that the instructor and I are both noticing is that we are flying
most of the time with 30-50% left rudder to keep coordinated. My slip gauge
may be slightly off, but I doubt by that much. There is not any rudder trim
tab on the plane. Between 80% left rudder on fullpower takeoff and flying
around at 30%+, it sounds like my plane could sure use a rudder tab.
Being as inexperienced in the kolb as I am... I have no idea how to add one,
how big of one to buy... if it is recommended at all etc. Any suggestions?
Regards,
Aaron
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: landing with flaps / airspeed
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>
>
> -----
> Subject: Kolb-List: landing with flaps / airspeed
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
> >
> What is
> > the general opinion on Mk3 landings? None, one or full flaps?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> With the Mark III that I just sold, I found that when I was solo it was
> very difficult to land with two notches of flaps and not do a little
> dribbling. Nothing serious, just embarrassing. The approach was steep,
even
> the GA guys thought so, but not a problem. I always kept it at 60 mph on
> approach and generally at about 4000 rpms. I finally got tired of
dribbling
> in front of all my friends so I began landing without flaps when solo, no
> problem, nice and smooth. However when dual there was enough weight to
keep
> the plane penetrating enough that the full flap landing was as smooth as
no
> flaps solo. The airspeeds were the same 60 mph. Stall was 36 solo- 45
dual.
> I came to the conclusion (rightly or wrongly) that solo, I would
invariably
> flair too much and the airplane would stall causing the bounce. It seemed
> that with the extra weight it was much easier to land. Most likely too
heavy
> handed, and not enough experience with the plane.
> Larry, Oregon
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron@gamespeak.com>
Thanks for the feedback. I have been flying dual with the 10-15 pounds on
the tail both before and after I bought the plane. Stalls break slightly
left, but the nose does drop right down. I do notice landing is far easier
dual, but I have not tried dual without the weight. The previous owner has
tried this and found that he would always be flying with full up trim, and
still have to hold a good bit of back pressure on the stick. I will call TNK
and ask a few questions and try and perform a weight and balance this
weekend.
Thanks,
aaron
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tail weight
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
<NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
> Aaron
>
> Wow 10-15 pounds on the tail wheel tube. That's a lot and I don't think
that
> is normal. Yes do a weight and balance on your plane then for grins try it
> with that weight back there. You need to find out why they would do that.
> Kolbs have a wide CG range due to that long fuselage tube but when you add
> that much weight that far from the CG you are likely to make the plane
very
> tail heavy. The first symptom of being tail heavy would be a pitch up
> tendency, then difficulty to control pitch in turbulence then some thing
> major like not being able to lower the nose to get out of a stall.
>
> If you find that the CG is good without the tail weight (it should be) and
> you feel the need to reduce the stick/trim pressure when flying with
> passengers try raising the flaps and ailerons. A little goes a log ways
try
> 1/2 a turn on each aileron first. The starting point should be some were
> close to where the flaps and ailerons are even with the bottom of the
wing.
>
> Also check the rigging of the trim spring. When you are flying solo with
the
> lightest pilot you should be able to trim the airplane with the trim lever
> near the down position. With two heavy people you should be able to trim
> with the lever near the up and back position.
>
> My $.02 worth
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron@gamespeak.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: tail weight
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth"
> <aaron@gamespeak.com>
> >
> >
> > The previous two owners of my Kolb Mk3 always used a 10-15pound weight
> attached (taped securely) to the tail wheel tube when flying dual. I want
to
> know if this is a normal thing to do (adding tail weight for dual).. and
if
> anyone has a better way than taping weight. They mentioned that it does
fly
> ok without the weight but even with full trim you need quite a bit of back
> pressure on the elevator to fly. The dual load that I am talking about was
> pilot 220lbs, and pass 220... plane empty 550.. so right at gross or very
> slightly over. They put 180 hours on the plane, almost all dual w/ the
extra
> tail weight.
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> >
> > I will try and do a weight and balance this weekend and see where its
at.
> >
> > aaron
>
>
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| Subject: | Radio REALLY sucks |
SMTPD_IN_RCVD
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron@gamespeak.com>
ok.. In my challengerI my radio worked well. (JRC nav/com 520). for some reason
in my kolb mk3 no one can understand a work I say. My CH1 had an external antena
that I tied it into. That must be the key to the problem because we tried
an icom today too and it sounded as bad. I have tried with and without the intercom
with the same result so I think that the intercom is ok.
I dont know what type of ant. my ch1 had on it. Just that it was a stiff wire with
a bb sized ball at the end. Anyone have a place to recommend buying an ant.
from? Also, will the ant. come with whatever mounting and cabling needed to
run it?
Thanks,
Aaron
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| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Noise |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Last year I tried a Supertrapp muffler on my Suzuki 650 and they are a good
deal. It was a straight through glasspack with a stack of baffles that
bolts to the end, and as you add baffles, you increase the surface area for
the gas to exit through. Started out with just a couple, and it was quieter
than stock, (which was quiet) and similar performance. Kept adding baffles
and when I got enough, you could feel it quite noticeably, it had much
better torque and pull. Adding more baffles made more noise, but no more
performance, so I went back to the right number and have a very satisfying
power-to-noise ratio. There are a variety of them on e-bay, I think anyone
with a four stroke that wanted to cut their noise could get a light weight
aluminum one and readily adapt it to their setup.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 11:21 AM 11/14/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
>Ya oughta hear a pack of Harley's going down the thruway.....doesn't
>bother me
>because I'm far enough away, but I can't figure why anyone would want to
>ride
>on top of all that racket all day. I guess if you pulled up to a biker
>nightspot on
>a quiet ride you'd suffer from scorn and derision. -BB do not archive
>
>Larry Bourne wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> >Food for thought, and re-bringing up an old subject. I was kicked back
> in my recliner a couple of minutes ago, relaxing after breakfast before
> the day's chores and reading a book. A small plane flew over, out of
> Palm Springs International (PSP) and you wouldn't believe the racket that
> little bugger made. I think his airspeed must've been about 15 knots,
> cause it took him forever to go past, and that loud, penetrating
> raspberry sound the whole way. It helps make me really understand some
> of these people who scream so loud about noisy airplanes. I don't think
> the 2 strokes with their mufflers are as bad, but if you have, or ever
> get a 4 stroke, think long and hard about those straight stacks pointing
> down. Yes, I know the 912's have mufflers, too. Irritated
> Lar. Do not Archive.
> >
> >Larry Bourne
> >Palm Springs, CA
> >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> >www.gogittum.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Left Rudder? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Yep, you do need tabs. All MKIII's need tabs. Here's a picture of some.
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg6.htm
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:20 AM 11/14/03 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron@gamespeak.com>
>
><snip>
>
>One thing that the instructor and I are both noticing is that we are flying
>most of the time with 30-50% left rudder to keep coordinated. My slip gauge
>may be slightly off, but I doubt by that much. There is not any rudder trim
>tab on the plane. Between 80% left rudder on fullpower takeoff and flying
>around at 30%+, it sounds like my plane could sure use a rudder tab.
>
>Being as inexperienced in the kolb as I am... I have no idea how to add one,
>how big of one to buy... if it is recommended at all etc. Any suggestions?
>
>Regards,
>
>Aaron
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Assuming you have the same size springs that Kolb sent me, try rigging the
trim so that with the stick in neutral, and the trim lever fully forward,
there is no spring pressure. But as soon as you start to apply trim pulling
the lever back, the springs begin to make themselves known with the stick
neutral. See how that works for you.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:23 AM 11/14/03 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron@gamespeak.com>
>
>Thanks for the feedback. I have been flying dual with the 10-15 pounds on
>the tail both before and after I bought the plane. Stalls break slightly
>left, but the nose does drop right down. I do notice landing is far easier
>dual, but I have not tried dual without the weight. The previous owner has
>tried this and found that he would always be flying with full up trim, and
>still have to hold a good bit of back pressure on the stick. I will call TNK
>and ask a few questions and try and perform a weight and balance this
>weekend.
>
>Thanks,
>
>aaron
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| Subject: | Re: Radio REALLY sucks |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
You can make one pretty easily -
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg9.htm
take a look
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 10:36 AM 11/14/03 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron@gamespeak.com>
>
>ok.. In my challengerI my radio worked well. (JRC nav/com 520). for some
>reason in my kolb mk3 no one can understand a work I say. My CH1 had an
>external antena that I tied it into. That must be the key to the problem
>because we tried an icom today too and it sounded as bad. I have tried
>with and without the intercom with the same result so I think that the
>intercom is ok.
>
>I dont know what type of ant. my ch1 had on it. Just that it was a stiff
>wire with a bb sized ball at the end. Anyone have a place to recommend
>buying an ant. from? Also, will the ant. come with whatever mounting and
>cabling needed to run it?
>Thanks,
>
>Aaron
>-
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
The loudest noise maker is usually the prop. I have had neighbors come up to
me that are over a mile away and comment on how much quieter my airplane is
now. They claimed that they could hear me wind up for take off in their
house over a mile away. I used to have a muffled direct drive VW and it was
terrible. I now have a unruffled reduction drive VW that is significantly
quieter. I used to make radio calls at cruise power settings and I would get
" aircraft broad casting all I hear is noise" . I had to throttle back to
approach power settings to be able to use the radio. My 72 inch prop now
rarely turns more than 2100 RPMs and I think it is still the biggest noise
maker.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Noise Again
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> I guess I owe 4 banger pilots everywhere an abject apology. That idiot
just went over again for the 3rd or 4th time, so I finally cranked myself
outa that comfy chair, and went to take a look. (today is my Saturday) It
was a Cessna 337 pushme/pullya twin, and I've rarely heard such a racket.
Must be at full throttle, with the props on fine pitch, I guess. No wonder
non-pilots make a fuss at times. Grumblin' Lar. Do
not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Radio REALLY sucks |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> I dont know what type of ant. my ch1 had on it. Just that it was a stiff
wire with a bb sized ball at the end. Anyone have a place to recommend
buying an ant. from? Also, will the ant. come with whatever mounting and
cabling needed to run it?
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron
> -
>
>
> Aaron,
I installed a 10 inch dia. aluminum sheet plate on the inside bottom of my
nose cone. Through the center I installed a BNC thru connectorand attached
the ICOM rubber-duckie antenna to the underside and a 50 ohm BNC cable to my
ICOM on the top. This acts as a ground plane and I have exceptional nav and
com performance in my MK3. The key is the external antenna.
Denny Rowe, PA
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
The previous two owners of my Kolb Mk3 always used a 10-15pound weight attached
(taped securely) to the tail wheel tube when flying dual. I want to know if this
is a normal thing to do (adding tail weight for dual)..
aaron
i dont know anyone who has done this.... but i have considered it..... i just
crunched some numbers and hope i have not tried to make it too simple and goofed
in the process.
lets assume that the cg of the airplane is at 20 inches behind the leading edge.
to make the calculations easy let us move the datum to 20 inches behind
the leading edge. ( that way we wont have to calculate the weight of the plane
in our example.) if we add a passenger of 200 lbs. the moment arm would
be -24 inches providing the passenger cg is 4 inches ahead of the leading edge.
-24 X 200 -4800 inch pounds. assuming that we did not want to change the
cg from the point we started at ( 20 ) we will ne a 4800 inch pound moment
arm to counter. 4800 / 186 25.8 where 186 is the moment arm from the
original 20 inch datum. leaving 25.8 pounds needed at the tail wheel. maybe
this is too simplistic of an approach.... what think all?
boyd
summary datum at 20 inches behind leading edge
moment weight moment arm
0 600 0
-24 200 -4800
186 25.8 4800
---------------------------------------------
0 825.8 0
datum at leading edge (double checking the work)
20 600 12000
-4 200 -800
206 25.8 5314.8
---------------------------------------------
19.998 825.8 16514.8
using the same weights added to the plane with the different datum line showes
the cg at 19.998 inches which for all intent and pourposes the same as the 20
inch ( behind the leading edge) datum in the first example.
this poses a question.... if by adding the weight on the tail it should eliminate
the need for the horizontal to apply that force to keep the plane level..
would it or would it not create a clime performande penality? or would there
be an increase due to decreased drag?
puzzeled minds want to know.
i end again boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Rod End Bearings and Fender Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
Thanks for pointing that out. However as you noted the
AC is not a requirement. I also have the large washers
on my rod ends, as the plans call for them.
======================
--- John Williamson <kolbrapilot@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
> <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> AC65-15A, Airframe & Powereplant Mechanics Airframe
> Handbook has a couple of
> paragraphs on the subject on page 68. Here is a scan
> of that page.
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/TMP1.JPG
>
> Sportplane Construction Techniques, A Builder's
> Handbook also goes into a
> little more detail with the kinds of rod end
> bearings we deal with and
> specifically the large diameter washer to prevent
> disconnection in event of
> bearing failure. Here is a scan of pages 136 and
> 137:
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/TMP2.JPG
>
> This are just a good maintenance practice, I can't
> find a requirement for
> for the use of the large diameter washer.
>
> As an aside, I use and like the large washers.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Noise |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> There are a variety of them on e-bay, I think anyone
> with a four stroke that wanted to cut their noise could get a light weight
> aluminum one and readily adapt it to their setup.
>
> Richard Pike
Richard/All:
I flew with a SuperTrap Silencer on my 912 for a short time.
The retaining bolt with a z bend on the end to secure it
to the system always worried me. Quickly did a trade off
for a small silencer of the conventional type that I still
use today on the 912S.
I believe John Bickham posted to the List his experience
with the same set up on his MK III, 912. During our Kitty
Hawk flight, the Super Trap Silencer, with all those discs
and z bolt, nut and cap, departed the aircraft. We were
over very inhospitable terrain at the time. John B was
extremely lucky. He received damage to all three IVO blades
and none to any other part of the aircraft. A very luck man
indeed. Ask him if he wants another Super Trap on a pusher.
Also, ask him what prop he is going to run on the 912.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: weight and bal |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron@gamespeak.com>
My used mark3 has 180 hours from the previous owners. They almost
exclusively flew with a heavy 2 person load and with the 10+ pound tail
wheel weight. I have flown a few hours in this configuration and it seems
very stable. I take the weight off for solo. It feels great solo too.
Even with the 10 pound extra in the tail, it feels perfect to use full
elevator trim on takeoff. only 1/2 so to cruise and land. That seems right.
It trims to hands off flight.
I did just call TNK and they asked me to do a W&B and call them back because
you shouldn't need a tail weight. I will be doing the W&B this weekend and
will get back to them. I'll post my findings. I hope I can figure something
simple like ailerons are drooped a little etc that is causing the nose heavy
two person situation. I would love to ditch the tail weight.... just don't
want to fly around pulling hard back on the stick w/ full trim to stay
level.
aaron
-
----- Original Message -----
From: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: weight and bal
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
>
> The previous two owners of my Kolb Mk3 always used a 10-15pound weight
attached
> (taped securely) to the tail wheel tube when flying dual. I want to know
if this
> is a normal thing to do (adding tail weight for dual)..
>
> aaron
>
> i dont know anyone who has done this.... but i have considered it..... i
just crunched some numbers and hope i have not tried to make it too simple
and goofed in the process.
> lets assume that the cg of the airplane is at 20 inches behind the
leading edge. to make the calculations easy let us move the datum to 20
inches behind the leading edge. ( that way we wont have to calculate the
weight of the plane in our example.) if we add a passenger of 200 lbs.
the moment arm would be -24 inches providing the passenger cg is 4 inches
ahead of the leading edge. -24 X 200 -4800 inch pounds. assuming that
we did not want to change the cg from the point we started at ( 20 ) we
will ne a 4800 inch pound moment arm to counter. 4800 / 186 25.8
where 186 is the moment arm from the original 20 inch datum. leaving 25.8
pounds needed at the tail wheel. maybe this is too simplistic of an
approach.... what think all?
>
> boyd
>
>
> summary datum at 20 inches behind leading edge
>
> moment weight moment arm
> 0 600 0
> -24 200 -4800
> 186 25.8 4800
> ---------------------------------------------
> 0 825.8 0
>
> datum at leading edge (double checking the work)
>
> 20 600 12000
> -4 200 -800
> 206 25.8 5314.8
> ---------------------------------------------
> 19.998 825.8 16514.8
>
> using the same weights added to the plane with the different datum line
showes the cg at 19.998 inches which for all intent and pourposes the same
as the 20 inch ( behind the leading edge) datum in the first example.
>
> this poses a question.... if by adding the weight on the tail it should
eliminate the need for the horizontal to apply that force to keep the plane
level.. would it or would it not create a clime performande penality? or
would there be an increase due to decreased drag?
>
> puzzeled minds want to know.
>
> i end again boyd
>
>
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SMTPD_IN_RCVD
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron@gamespeak.com>
I want to go ahead and put a rudder tab on my mark3. I was planning on just going
over to a hardware store and buying a small piece of alumnium. What should
the deminsions be? My logic tells me that the tab should need to be bent to the
right (looking from behind tail to cockpit). I have a 618. Is this correct?
about how many degrees of bent should I start with?
Thanks
aaron
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| Subject: | Re: Rod End Bearings and Fender Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Thanks for pointing that out. However as you noted the
> AC is not a requirement. I also have the large washers on
> my rod ends, as the plans call for them. Ron
Ron/John W/Denny R/Rick N/and the rest of you all:
Just got back from Gantt International Airport. Did a
thorough check of my aileron push/pull tube rod end
bearings. The lower right showed a little wear. The lower
left no wear. Both dry as bones. Failed to relube after I
gunked the engine last week.
Upper rod end bearings are inside a clevis, so, if they fail
they will be kept in place. My aileron horns are one of a
kind prototypes Brother Jim designed and fabricated in Feb
1991. I have decided to put washers on the bottom rod ends
slightly larger than the bronze bushing. No need to risk a
failure, even though chances are slim to none.
As for flap p/p tube rod end bearings, I won't put washers
on them. They are direct inline pull only. Get used once
per landing. I don't think I need them there.
Please, listen carefully. I am not recommending anything to
anyone as far as AN970 fender washers go. If the plans call
for them, they should be on there. What I say is not
"gospel", simply sharing what I do or don't do, period. I
don't have any authority to recommend anything to anyone. I
am one member of the Kolb List among many. As far as I
know, we have no rank structure on this List. Each and
everyone is the same, whether a "newbie" to Kolbs or an "old
fart". No one has to agree or disagree with me. I believe
this is a discussion group, which means sometimes I can do
the "devils advocate" thing. I can ask dumb questions, in
an attempt to get some of you thinking on your own. I can
have fun with the List. It eats up a lot of my time.
With that, I think I will fly to Circle C, about 60 miles
east of Gantt IAP. See if anyone has arrived for this
weekend's flyin. Got to hurry though. It gets dark at 1700
now.
Take care you all,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: weight and bal |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Aaron/All:
I experimented with aileron droop and reflex until I got my
MK III to fly the way I wanted it to.
When I droop the flaps the nose comes down. When I reflex
them, they pull the nose up.
Ailerons work the same way.
I adjusted both ailerons and flaps on my MK III to get the
airplane to fly the way I wanted it to.
john h
I hope I can figure something
> simple like ailerons are drooped a little etc that is causing the nose heavy
> two person situation. I would love to ditch the tail weight.... just don't
> want to fly around pulling hard back on the stick w/ full trim to stay
> level.
>
> aaron
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| Subject: | 1,000,000 Young Eagle rides! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Just anounced yesterday, the EAA has gone over one million Young Eagle rides!
That is just PLANE wonderful.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: 1,000,000 Young Eagle rides! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Did about, or a little more than 100 until Plumb & Plumber, vascular
mechs did me in. Harder now with FireFly. Hope The Young Eagles keep flying.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Warp Drive Props |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Clayton" <jclayton@usamedia.tv>
John Hauck/and All,
I think you, and others, should get some sort of "sponsorship" from the
companies and products you have researched and flight tested. A web site
with links to tested and suggested equipment and building hints for Kolb
builders and flyers. Seriously, my son Jim (an IT guy) has categorized and
archived Kolb-list messages from you and others to be contemplated now and
accessed when needed. As the disassembled airplane story illustrated, it's
much better to anticipate modifications, electronics and stall issues while
building a MarkIII Extra with a Rotax 912S than to say OOPS! after it's
covered and painted. Many thanks to you and other frequent contributors who
take the time to make suggestions and answer inquiries.
John Clayton (Jim's dad)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck
Subject: Kolb-List: Warp Drive Props
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Morning Gang:
Just got off the phone with Darrell at Warp Drive. He is
the guy that is going to answer the phone when you call. He
will be the one to recommend what prop to fly on your airplane.
Warp Drive has come a long way since the days Dennis Souder
shared with us, when Dennis would call Warp Drive and they
would try to figure out what was going to work best on that
particular application.
They have the numbers now on most all applications, except
some of the newer aircraft, and they will obtain figures for
them ASAP.
Warp has one of the best guarantees of the prop
manufacturers - lifetime customer satisfaction.
I called Darrell this morning to see if he would put white
tips on my blades. Also to confirm the new polished prop
hub will fit the 5" spinner. The last hub and spinner I got
from them, the hub was slightly smaller than the spinner.
This system did not work well in the pusher configuration.
Now, that problem has been eliminated. Does the spinner
improve performance in the pusher configuration? I don't
know, but it does make the airplane look better. I got a
chance to see the polished hub, spinner, and white tips at
Oshkosh. They are an improvement on what I have now.
With the new starter and slip clutch installed in my 912S, I
anxiously await the arrival of my new prop. I flew the
first 100 hours or so on the 912S with the 72" prop. It has
been three years ago, but I still remember the kick in the
butt those long blades made when I poured the coal to Miss
P'fer.
Check out Warp Drive's web site:
http://www.warpdriveprops.com/
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: weight and bal |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron@gamespeak.com>
I assume that you did this without the need for tailweight (looks like I'm
the only fool with 10lbs strapped to my tail). Do you think the aileron
droop/reflex makes a large enough impact on the nose high/low to adjust out
my need for the tailweight?
I know any answer is likely speculation until I get this W&B done.. but just
curious how drastically adjusting the droop/reflex can change the nose heavy
characteristic I am seeing.... damn I hope that when I get to the hanger and
look at my ailerons and flaps that they are enough drooped to be causing the
problem. That would be an easier fix than trying to move battery from behind
seat to behind the tanks etc.
Thanks for the input,
aaron
-
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: weight and bal
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Aaron/All:
>
> I experimented with aileron droop and reflex until I got my
> MK III to fly the way I wanted it to.
>
> When I droop the flaps the nose comes down. When I reflex
> them, they pull the nose up.
>
> Ailerons work the same way.
>
> I adjusted both ailerons and flaps on my MK III to get the
> airplane to fly the way I wanted it to.
>
> john h
>
>
> I hope I can figure something
> > simple like ailerons are drooped a little etc that is causing the nose
heavy
> > two person situation. I would love to ditch the tail weight.... just
don't
> > want to fly around pulling hard back on the stick w/ full trim to stay
> > level.
> >
> > aaron
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
In a message dated 11/14/03 3:39:06 PM, aaron@gamespeak.com writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron@gamespeak.com>
>
>
> I want to go ahead and put a rudder tab on my mark3. I was planning on just
> going over to a hardware store and buying a small piece of alumnium. What
> should the deminsions be? My logic tells me that the tab should need to be bent
> to the right (looking from behind tail to cockpit). I have a 618. Is this
> correct? about how many degrees of bent should I start with?
>
> Thanks
>
> aaron
> -
>
How about a piece of lexan, can bend it in a brake for different angles and
experiment.
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| Subject: | Loss of RPM on Takeoff-problem solved! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Raeburn <raeburn@snowhill.com>
I had a feeling it had to be something simple (and it was). There was too
much pitch set in the new prop.
I now have the static RPM set to 6200 RPM and the RPM goes to 6400 on the
takeoff role. The EGTs and coolant temps.are in the normal range on climbout
and cruise.
Many thanks to everyone who helped in troubleshooting the problem.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Some time back I offered to sell to anyone on the list anything that NAPA offers
at a huge discount as a payback for all the help you have given me. In case
anyone missed that here it is again. In addition to thousands of parts we also
sell swimming pool supplies and Polaris pool cleaners and parts. I know winter
is upon us but for next year if any of you need anything just give me a call
or e-mail and I will be happy to quote you a price. If you are near a NAPA store
stop by and ask for a BALKAMP catalog. In there you can find all sorts of
stuff to maintain and build these airplanes. I think one guy called it "New Airplane
Parts & Accessories"
pp
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| Subject: | Re: weight and bal |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I assume that you did this without the need for
> tailweight (looks like I'm the only fool with 10lbs
> strapped to my tail). Do you think the aileron
> droop/reflex makes a large enough impact on the nose
> high/low to adjust out my need for the tailweight?
> aaron
aaron/gang:
I have found that the MK III is very susceptible to the high
thrust line of a pusher configuration. My MK III requires a
lot of nose up trim, especially if I have a passenger and a
very light load of fuel, when the aircraft is a cruise
power. If I pull the power back to idle or shut the engine
off and glide, I do not need nose up trim. More like a
little nose down trim. It is the nature of the beast.
Yes, reflexing the flaps and ailerons will most definitely
reduce the amount of nose up trim required during cruise
flight. I attack this problem a little at a time until I
get the aircraft rigged the way I want it. A couple turns
of the rod end bearings (with big ass washers), then test
fly to see if I have accomplished anything.
I have flown my MK III with little tailwheels, the old
Firestar snowmobile bogey wheel, and up to an 8" pneumatic
Maule tailwheel. Doesn't really seem to bother my airplane
one way or the other. I find my MK III, as well as
Ultrastar, and Firestar, have extremely wide cg ranges. I,
personally, have never had a cg problem on any of my Kolb
airplanes, in just about any configuration. The other day a
couple spins confirmed that. Feels like it is going over on
its back, the nose is so low in a spin.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Props |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> John Hauck/and All,
> I think you, and others, should get some sort of "sponsorship" from the
> companies and products you have researched and flight tested.
> John Clayton (Jim's dad)
John C/Gang:
Sounds like a good idea!
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Fw: rear windows |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: CRAIG M NELSON
Subject: rear windows
I'm planning to put windows in the rear of my MKIIIex. With the talk of windows
going through the prop I wanted to know how any of you have mounted windows in
an Extra or a mk III. I know the plans say not to fly with the doors off without
a window behind your head warning the rear windows will come off in flight,
but would you have to enclose the hole cabin to fly door less? Here in the
west I want the option to fly with no doors.
Uncle Craig MKIIIex912uls
Arizona
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
On my webpage showing the Moose cartoon, and Vamoose logo, I requested help in smoothing out the logo to be printed on vinyl. George Alexander came thru for me.........again..........and made several tries at figuring out just what I wanted. (I didn't even really know for sure) I think this looks great, and will look even better on Vamoose' tail. I went up to the high desert today, to the A&P's shop, ready to raise a fuss about the long delay on my landing gear. He actually had the things all jigged up, and almost ready to start heating and bending. I dummied up, and got outa the way. Ya know, something might actually come of all this. Good deal. Take a look at the final Vamoose logo under "The Moose," at http://www.flyingpictures.homestead.com/flyingpictureshome.html. Thanks very much, George - that's a heck of a job. Grateful Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Re: Vamoose Logo |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Aaaaarrrggghhh............that link should be -
http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/flyingpicshome.html . Sorry all.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Vamoose Logo
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> On my webpage showing the Moose cartoon, and Vamoose logo, I requested
help in smoothing out the logo to be printed on vinyl. George Alexander
came thru for me.........again..........and made several tries at figuring
out just what I wanted. (I didn't even really know for sure) I think this
looks great, and will look even better on Vamoose' tail. I
went up to the high desert today, to the A&P's shop, ready to raise a fuss
about the long delay on my landing gear. He actually had the things all
jigged up, and almost ready to start heating and bending. I dummied up, and
got outa the way. Ya know, something might actually come of all this. Good
deal. Take a look at the final Vamoose logo under "The Moose,"
at http://www.flyingpictures.homestead.com/flyingpictureshome.html. Thanks
very much, George - that's a heck of a job. Grateful Lar.
Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: rear windows |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
I am glad you brought this up. I was just eye balling
the rear cage wondering how to configure it. I would
guess a solution to the window on rear with no doors.
would be to mount the windows on the inside of the
cage with some reinforcing laces of aluminum strips
.040 at least on the outside of the glass. I can
imagine a lot of buffeting beating on the rear with no
doors.
I am also planning on flying in summer with the doors
off.
============================================
--- CRAIG M NELSON <vitalfx0@msn.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON"
> <vitalfx0@msn.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: CRAIG M NELSON
> To: kolblist@matronics.com
> Subject: rear windows
>
> I'm planning to put windows in the rear of my
> MKIIIex. With the talk of windows going through the
> prop I wanted to know how any of you have mounted
> windows in an Extra or a mk III. I know the plans
> say not to fly with the doors off without a window
> behind your head warning the rear windows will come
> off in flight, but would you have to enclose the
> hole cabin to fly door less? Here in the west I want
> the option to fly with no doors.
> Uncle Craig MKIIIex912uls
> Arizona
>
>
>
> Click on the
> this
> generous
> _->
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
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>
>
>
>
>
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Building M3X
Southern Arizona
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: weight and bal |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron@gamespeak.com>
Thanks for the input. I'll check the cg with a W&B to make sure something
isn't really screwed.. but I'm crossing fingers that a little reflex or
removing the droop of ailerons and or flaps will eliminate the need for the
tail wheel... and I'll kiss my 'big ass washers' while I'm playing with it
;)
aaron
-
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: weight and bal
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> > I assume that you did this without the need for
> > tailweight (looks like I'm the only fool with 10lbs
> > strapped to my tail). Do you think the aileron
> > droop/reflex makes a large enough impact on the nose
> > high/low to adjust out my need for the tailweight?
>
> > aaron
>
> aaron/gang:
>
> I have found that the MK III is very susceptible to the high
> thrust line of a pusher configuration. My MK III requires a
> lot of nose up trim, especially if I have a passenger and a
> very light load of fuel, when the aircraft is a cruise
> power. If I pull the power back to idle or shut the engine
> off and glide, I do not need nose up trim. More like a
> little nose down trim. It is the nature of the beast.
>
> Yes, reflexing the flaps and ailerons will most definitely
> reduce the amount of nose up trim required during cruise
> flight. I attack this problem a little at a time until I
> get the aircraft rigged the way I want it. A couple turns
> of the rod end bearings (with big ass washers), then test
> fly to see if I have accomplished anything.
>
> I have flown my MK III with little tailwheels, the old
> Firestar snowmobile bogey wheel, and up to an 8" pneumatic
> Maule tailwheel. Doesn't really seem to bother my airplane
> one way or the other. I find my MK III, as well as
> Ultrastar, and Firestar, have extremely wide cg ranges. I,
> personally, have never had a cg problem on any of my Kolb
> airplanes, in just about any configuration. The other day a
> couple spins confirmed that. Feels like it is going over on
> its back, the nose is so low in a spin.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 11/14/2003 6:45:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ppetty@c-gate.net writes:
Kolbers,
Some time back I offered to sell to anyone on the list anything that NAPA
offers at a huge discount as a payback for all the help you have given me. In
case anyone missed that here it is again. In addition to thousands of parts we
also sell swimming pool supplies and Polaris pool cleaners and parts. I know
winter is upon us but for next year if any of you need anything just give me a
call or e-mail and I will be happy to quote you a price. If you are near a NAPA
store stop by and ask for a BALKAMP catalog. In there you can find all sorts
of stuff to maintain and build these airplanes. I think one guy called it "New
Airplane Parts & Accessories"
pp
A great product that NAPA carries is "Bug-be-gone" [?] made by Seafoam.
Spray it on, wait 1 minute, wipe off bugs from your wing with a wet cloth. Great
stuff!!
Shack
FS II
SC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Sea Foam ?? Whazzat ?? Ooooooohhhhh................. Do not
Archive.
I will try your Bug B Gone, tho'. I've heard about it before - all good.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <HShack@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: NAPA
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 11/14/2003 6:45:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> ppetty@c-gate.net writes:
> Kolbers,
> Some time back I offered to sell to anyone on the list anything that NAPA
> offers at a huge discount as a payback for all the help you have given me.
In
> case anyone missed that here it is again. In addition to thousands of
parts we
> also sell swimming pool supplies and Polaris pool cleaners and parts. I
know
> winter is upon us but for next year if any of you need anything just give
me a
> call or e-mail and I will be happy to quote you a price. If you are near a
NAPA
> store stop by and ask for a BALKAMP catalog. In there you can find all
sorts
> of stuff to maintain and build these airplanes. I think one guy called it
"New
> Airplane Parts & Accessories"
>
> pp
> A great product that NAPA carries is "Bug-be-gone" [?] made by Seafoam.
> Spray it on, wait 1 minute, wipe off bugs from your wing with a wet cloth.
Great
> stuff!!
>
> Shack
> FS II
> SC
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
anyone know a steve gregory in N.C.has/had a ultrastar! it is in kitplanes in
sept.97
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: rear windows |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
If you take the doors all the way off, you will get a total hurricane
coming around the windshield, it is not tolerable. Make up a spare set of
doors that only come part way back and nothing behind them and you will
have a great summer open cockpit airplane. Take a look at the top picture
on this page,
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg2.htm
I flew to Oshkosh and back this way several years ago, plenty of air with
out getting beat to death, good summer setup.
I think the plans say that if you take the doors off, then you also better
have all the rear enclosure off first.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 05:10 PM 11/14/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: CRAIG M NELSON
>To: kolblist@matronics.com
>Subject: rear windows
>
>I'm planning to put windows in the rear of my MKIIIex. With the talk of
>windows going through the prop I wanted to know how any of you have
>mounted windows in an Extra or a mk III. I know the plans say not to fly
>with the doors off without a window behind your head warning the rear
>windows will come off in flight, but would you have to enclose the hole
>cabin to fly door less? Here in the west I want the option to fly with no
>doors.
>Uncle Craig MKIIIex912uls
>Arizona
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: weight and bal |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
At 02:36 PM 11/14/03 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron@gamespeak.com>
>
>I assume that you did this without the need for tailweight (looks like I'm
>the only fool with 10lbs strapped to my tail). Do you think the aileron
>droop/reflex makes a large enough impact on the nose high/low to adjust out
>my need for the tailweight?
Yep.
>I know any answer is likely speculation until I get this W&B done.. but just
>curious how drastically adjusting the droop/reflex can change the nose heavy
>characteristic I am seeing
Drastic. Major league. Big time.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: rear windows |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
I really don't think you want to fly with the rear glass in and no doors.
Seeing how the air works on and around that rear stuff strikes me as that
is a reeeally bad idea.
My back windows come completely off in about 2 minutes.
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg3.htm
There is an aluminum u channel the runs along the bottom of each side window.
The side windows are attached to the top surface window with piano hinge
along either top edge, and at the front, they tuck behind a little Lexan
flat piece which is permanent, it is in there just to make everything fit
right. If I pull the piano hinge pins along the top of either side window,
they come out in about 20 seconds and I drop them into the cargo space. Now
I have an upper surface window in place, but the rear sides are open. This
is for flying with the full size doors on in summer.
I also have half length doors for the really hot days. At that point, I
want the upper rear surface Lexan window gone also. The upper surface Lexan
is attached to the back of the windshield Lexan with piano hinge, and at
it's narrow lower back end with piano hinge, pull the pins, it is loose,
leave it home. Or if you want to just lay it down, then just pull the front
pin and it lays on top of the cargo area out of the wind.
If you think it is worth the trouble, I can add a detailed page to the
website detailing all the permutations.
But not tonight...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 04:56 PM 11/14/03 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
>
>I am glad you brought this up. I was just eye balling
>the rear cage wondering how to configure it. I would
>guess a solution to the window on rear with no doors.
>would be to mount the windows on the inside of the
>cage with some reinforcing laces of aluminum strips
>.040 at least on the outside of the glass. I can
>imagine a lot of buffeting beating on the rear with no
>doors.
>I am also planning on flying in summer with the doors
>off.
>============================================
>
>--- CRAIG M NELSON <vitalfx0@msn.com> wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON"
> > <vitalfx0@msn.com>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: CRAIG M NELSON
> > To: kolblist@matronics.com
> > Subject: rear windows
> >
> > I'm planning to put windows in the rear of my
> > MKIIIex. With the talk of windows going through the
> > prop I wanted to know how any of you have mounted
> > windows in an Extra or a mk III. I know the plans
> > say not to fly with the doors off without a window
> > behind your head warning the rear windows will come
> > off in flight, but would you have to enclose the
> > hole cabin to fly door less? Here in the west I want
> > the option to fly with no doors.
> > Uncle Craig MKIIIex912uls
> > Arizona
> >
> >
> >
> > Click on the
> > this
> > generous
> > _->
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/chat
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>=====
>Ron
>Building M3X
>Southern Arizona
>
>__________________________________
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Make it at least two rib spaces long, 2 inches wide, and try about a 25
degree bend to the right as your logic is correct. Go from there.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 01:40 PM 11/14/03 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron@gamespeak.com>
>
>I want to go ahead and put a rudder tab on my mark3. I was planning on
>just going over to a hardware store and buying a small piece of alumnium.
>What should the deminsions be? My logic tells me that the tab should need
>to be bent to the right (looking from behind tail to cockpit). I have a
>618. Is this correct? about how many degrees of bent should I start with?
>
>Thanks
>
>aaron
>-
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Noise |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
What difference does it make if you hang a Supertrapp onto your pusher or
that self-disassembling collection of sheet metal that Rotax sells for an
overpriced 2-cycle exhaust? The one is about as likely to throw stuff at
your prop as the other...maybe more.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 02:22 PM 11/14/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> During our Kitty
>Hawk flight, the Super Trap Silencer, with all those discs
>and z bolt, nut and cap, departed the aircraft. We were
>over very inhospitable terrain at the time. John B was
>extremely lucky. He received damage to all three IVO blades
>and none to any other part of the aircraft. A very luck man
>indeed. Ask him if he wants another Super Trap on a pusher.
<snip>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Noise |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> What difference does it make if you hang a Supertrapp onto your pusher or
> that self-disassembling collection of sheet metal that Rotax sells for an
> overpriced 2-cycle exhaust? The one is about as likely to throw stuff at
> your prop as the other...maybe more.
>
> Richard Pike
Richard/All:
I believe the primary difference is 10 wafers and disc
aprx'ly 3 or 4" in diameter, a zig-zag bolt and nut. Like a
small bomb when the bolt lets go. No problem in the tractor
config, but not good in the pusher config.
You must have lots of problems with you exh system. I don't
remember anything more than springs, fender washers, and
bolts departing my 2 stroke exh and finding its way into and
through my prop.
The Super Trap has one bolt with a z bend holding it in
place. When the bolt lets go, the whole kit and caboodle goes.
For some reason, last time I changed the four springs that
hold the silencer on my exhaust system, I saturated the
springs with silicone seal from one end to the other.
Especially the hooks. Couple days ago a spring broke right
in the middle, but stayed in place. With all the goop I had
on it, didn't have any other choice. Silicone seal is quick
and easy compared to safety wire and does a better job for me.
Take care,
john h
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