---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/17/03: 38 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:36 AM - kolb ultrastar (garvelink) 2. 05:07 AM - do your Facets ever stop running? (Jim Gerken) 3. 05:30 AM - Re: do your Facets ever stop running? (Richard Pike) 4. 05:46 AM - Doorless flying (Rex Rodebush) 5. 06:38 AM - Re: W&B / Tail Weight (Denny Rowe) 6. 08:34 AM - exhaust springs (boyd young) 7. 08:34 AM - fly with doors off (boyd young) 8. 09:12 AM - "B" box running 3 blade Warp? (Jim Gerken) 9. 09:59 AM - Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com) 10. 10:32 AM - Re: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! (John Hauck) 11. 11:02 AM - Mark-3 W&B (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM) 12. 11:43 AM - Re: Mark-3 W&B (Aaron Hollingsworth) 13. 11:58 AM - Re: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 14. 12:30 PM - Re: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! (John Hauck) 15. 01:20 PM - Re: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 16. 02:18 PM - the fuel pump deal (Paul Petty) 17. 02:31 PM - Re: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! (John Hauck) 18. 02:44 PM - faucet (Paul Petty) 19. 03:11 PM - Re: facet (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com) 20. 03:34 PM - Re: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! () 21. 03:48 PM - do not archive? (Aaron Hollingsworth) 22. 04:45 PM - Re: do not archive? (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 23. 04:53 PM - Re: Ultra-Com helmet for sale (CaptainRon) 24. 05:12 PM - Happy idiot with facet pump (Duncan McBride) 25. 05:16 PM - Re: do not archive? (Aaron Hollingsworth) 26. 05:50 PM - Re: Ultra-Com helmet for sale (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com) 27. 05:54 PM - facet (Bob Bean) 28. 07:24 PM - Re: flaps (Richard Pike) 29. 07:44 PM - Re: Ultra-Com helmet for sale (John Hauck) 30. 07:52 PM - Re: do not archive? (Aaron Hollingsworth) 31. 07:58 PM - Re: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! (ul15rhb@juno.com.PLING_QUERY.Subject.has.exclamation.mark.and.question.mark (0.1 points)) 32. 08:04 PM - [ Craig Nelson ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 33. 08:07 PM - [ Craig Nelson ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 34. 08:10 PM - [ Craig Nelson ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 35. 08:25 PM - Re: Ultra-Com helmet for sale (Aaron Hollingsworth) 36. 08:29 PM - Re: [ Craig Nelson ] Fuel Tank (John Hauck) 37. 08:38 PM - Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE (John Hauck) 38. 08:51 PM - Do Not Archive and Kolb-List Useage Guidelines (John Williamson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:13 AM PST US From: "garvelink" Subject: Kolb-List: kolb ultrastar --> Kolb-List message posted by: "garvelink" looking for a kolb ultrastar to rebuild preferably around the kentucky Georgia tennessee alabama area Steve Garvelink ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:28 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: do your Facets ever stop running? From: Jim Gerken 11/17/2003 07:07:10 AM --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken For you guys running Facet pumps: Do these pumps quit when they come up to pressure, or do they keep clicking away, with a slightly different sound? I thought they'd actually stop clicking once they had reached full pressure. I have a Honda tractor and that's how that works. It pumps a bunch of clicks, slows down the rate of the clicks and finally stops once it has reached pressure. Then it clicks as needed to maintain pressure. Facets must be different. Jim Gerken ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:40 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: do your Facets ever stop running? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Mine clicks a bit slower. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 07:07 AM 11/17/03 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken > >For you guys running Facet pumps: Do these pumps quit when they come up to >pressure, or do they keep clicking away, with a slightly different sound? >I thought they'd actually stop clicking once they had reached full >pressure. I have a Honda tractor and that's how that works. It pumps a >bunch of clicks, slows down the rate of the clicks and finally stops once >it has reached pressure. Then it clicks as needed to maintain pressure. >Facets must be different. > > >Jim Gerken > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:42 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Doorless flying From: "Rex Rodebush" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rex Rodebush" I remember someone from the factory (not sure who) stated that the Mark III Xtra flew great without the doors. Don't know if the back was covered or not. Might be worth a call to TNK to get their comments. Rex Rodebush ............ I've decided that to fly door less in my MKIIIex I'm going to enclose the back of the cabin. I don't want to have to mess with the windows to remove the doors. I'll make it accessible through the window behind my head and I have baggage doors in the sides. Thanks again. Uncle Craig MKIIIex912uls Arizona ..................... ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:38 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: W&B / Tail Weight --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: W&B / Tail Weight > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" > > you mention your empty weight is ~485... mine is 559. What engine? That is a > big difference. 559 is no gas, but I keep my headsets, com etc in the > cockpit (few pounds at most). It does have a larger battery in it though. > > aaron > - My empy weight is officially 475 pounds, but I have since added headsets and intercom along with 800-6 Mungo tires and tubes which I estimate to have brought it up to 485. I have a 2SI 690L-70 engine which is the same all up weight as a 582 rotax with a B gearbox. My battery fits in the stock location with room to spare, some day when I have $100 burning a hole in my pocket, I would like to buy one of those super light batteries for her. I built with total attention to weight savings, and made my own Gull wing doors with aluminum frames. Since my doors are only .090 lexan and they eliminated the .125 thich windshield I saved a little weight there also. I also built a full rear enclosure using 1/16" lexan. All my lexan is attatched with plastic P-clamps. No carpeted floor or ectra interior trim, just a pretty basic package overall. I'll try to send you a photo. Sincerely, Denny Rowe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:52 AM PST US From: "boyd young" Subject: Kolb-List: exhaust springs --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" In more than 600 hours on the 912S system, I have had two springs break. The first had nothing securing it and went through the prop. This last one was saturated with silicone seal, to include the hooks. It broke in the center of the spring, but remained in position until I replaced it during a post flight inspection. Take care, john h when puting on the springs i have used the safty wire, silicone, and also put a piece of tie wire from center of spring to center of spring with enough tention as to deflect the springs slightly out of colum. that was to keep down the movement... as of the last inspection. i could see no visible wear on the springs or the loop they hook to. boyd ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:52 AM PST US From: "boyd young" Subject: Kolb-List: fly with doors off --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" It could make a difference. Any M3X drivers flying with the doors off?? not sure on the extra but on my clasic there is an area between the doors and the bulkhead behind my head.... i just leave this area open and get enough air. boyd ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:07 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: "B" box running 3 blade Warp? From: Jim Gerken 11/17/2003 11:11:50 AM --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken >--> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy >Can anyone tell me what is the recommended prop diameter for a Firestar >running a 503 with a B-type gearbox? I have a 2 blade 66" Warp Drive but am >considering changing to a Three Blade Warp. What is the optimum diameter >when running a 3 blade vs. the Two Blade?? Thanks G. Murphy/ 89 Firestar/ >Alpine, Alabama George, If I am not mistaken, a "B" box will not allow you to run a Warp 3-blade. The 3-blade Warp being heavier, has a rotational inertia value which greatly exceeds Rotax requirements for the "B" box. If you want to run three blades, your choices are Ivo and Powerfin. I suppose another alternative is to trade up to a "C" box. Jim Gerken ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:29 AM PST US From: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com Hi all ...been watching this thread for a while ... I ran a VW Shop for many years and I must say I had a REAL problem with FACET Fuel Pumps They would quit and strand my customers on a regular Basis !!! (Other shops had failures also)Made me look pretty bad .... I sure hope they have improved since then .... Just my 2 cents ...Dave In a message dated 11/17/03 8:31:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, rwpike@charter.net writes: << Mine clicks a bit slower. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 07:07 AM 11/17/03 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken > >For you guys running Facet pumps: Do these pumps quit when they come up to >pressure, or do they keep clicking away, with a slightly different sound? >I thought they'd actually stop clicking once they had reached full >pressure. I have a Honda tractor and that's how that works. It pumps a >bunch of clicks, slows down the rate of the clicks and finally stops once >it has reached pressure. Then it clicks as needed to maintain pressure. >Facets must be different. > > >Jim Gerken > >> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:33 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Hi all ...been watching this thread for a while ... I ran > a VW Shop for many years and I must say I had a REAL > problem with FACET Fuel Pumps They would quit and strand > my customers on a regular Basis !!! (Other shops had > failures also)Made me look pretty bad .... I sure hope > they have improved since then .... Just my 2 cents > ...Dave Hi Dave/All: Wow! That sounds bad. I on the other hand have had excellent service with Facet pumps for the last 20 years, whether they are sold under the Facet, Purolator, or whatever name. I use them as back up on a 351W powered boat, as well as, my airplane. One thing I found out about the Facet was it does not like salt water. The Facet in the boat did not last long because of salt water corrosion. Remedy was find a dry place to mount it. Then keep it doused with some kind of anticorrosive spray. Maybe that is what the problem was with your application. In the airplane, out of the weather, the Facet provides good reliable service for me. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:18 AM PST US From: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM Subject: Kolb-List: Mark-3 W&B --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM "Aaron Hollingsworth" wrote: << I just remembered reading about the angle of attack on on the wing for doing a W&B. I hope like hell that all three wheels on the ground is ~ the angle of attack needed.. >> Aaron - You'll have to re-do your weight & balance. For calculating W&B, the wing must be at the FLIGHT angle of attack. For a Mark-3, this is 9 degrees. To do this on the ground, the leading edge must be 7.5 inches higher than the trailing edge. You need to raise your tail a bit to get this angle. Dennis Kirby Mark-3, Verner-powered in Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:36 AM PST US From: "Aaron Hollingsworth" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark-3 W&B --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" Thanks for the info. I redid it at the right AOA. See later posts for the results. regards, aaron - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM" Subject: Kolb-List: Mark-3 W&B > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM > > "Aaron Hollingsworth" wrote: > << I just remembered reading about the angle of attack on on the wing > for doing a W&B. I hope like hell that all three wheels on the ground is ~ > the angle of attack needed.. >> > > Aaron - > You'll have to re-do your weight & balance. > For calculating W&B, the wing must be at the FLIGHT angle of attack. > For a Mark-3, this is 9 degrees. > To do this on the ground, the leading edge must be 7.5 inches higher than > the trailing edge. You need to raise your tail a bit to get this angle. > Dennis Kirby > Mark-3, Verner-powered in > Cedar Crest, NM > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:14 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" I agree. I put one on for a replacement for a $200.00 Honda car fuel pump and it lasted for app 100 miles before it quit. I also had one on my VW powered MKIII that I used a priming/backup pump over three years it had maybe 3 hours total time on it when it quit. I will NEVER use a Facet pump on a airplane as a primary pump. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com > > Hi all ...been watching this thread for a while ... I ran a VW Shop for many > years and I must say I had a REAL problem with FACET Fuel Pumps They would > quit and strand my customers on a regular Basis !!! (Other shops had failures > also)Made me look pretty bad .... I sure hope they have improved since then .... > Just my 2 cents ...Dave > > In a message dated 11/17/03 8:31:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, > rwpike@charter.net writes: > > << > Mine clicks a bit slower. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > do not archive > > At 07:07 AM 11/17/03 -0600, you wrote: > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken > > > >For you guys running Facet pumps: Do these pumps quit when they come up to > >pressure, or do they keep clicking away, with a slightly different sound? > >I thought they'd actually stop clicking once they had reached full > >pressure. I have a Honda tractor and that's how that works. It pumps a > >bunch of clicks, slows down the rate of the clicks and finally stops once > >it has reached pressure. Then it clicks as needed to maintain pressure. > >Facets must be different. > > > > > >Jim Gerken > > >> > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:30 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > I agree. I put one on for a replacement for a $200.00 > Honda car fuel pump and it lasted for app 100 miles > before it quit. I also had one on my VW powered MKIII > that I used a priming/backup pump over three years it had > maybe 3 hours total time on it when it quit. I will > NEVER use a Facet pump on a airplane as a primary pump. > > Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc Rick/All: Either I am doing something right and you all are doing something wrong, or maybe you are having "Hauck Luck" and got that one out of a million that crap out. I don't know about swapping one for a $200 Honda replacement, or letting it sit idle for three years (three hours operation in three years is idle). Mine sees a lot of use and keeps on ticking. The last one I replaced is still good. Plan to use it in another application on my Dodge/Cummins. The only reason I swapped it out was the 2000 Alaska flight. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:55 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" John I'm sure there are bad pumps in any brand but I have personally seen two Facet failures in different applications and that concerns me. The car in Michigan may have seen some salt since they spread that crap all over our roads in the winter. Trust me the Facet in my airplane hasn't been exposed to very much of it. I replaced the airplane pump with another Facet because it is so cheep and I only use it for back up and priming the carbs but I don't feel comfortable using one as a primary pump. It's always possible I'm doing something wrong but short of hooking them up backwards, feeding them dirty fuel, and yes salty water there isn't much you can do wrong. And now I hear I'm not the only one. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > > > I agree. I put one on for a replacement for a $200.00 > > Honda car fuel pump and it lasted for app 100 miles > > before it quit. I also had one on my VW powered MKIII > > that I used a priming/backup pump over three years it had > > maybe 3 hours total time on it when it quit. I will > > NEVER use a Facet pump on a airplane as a primary pump. > > > > Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc > > Rick/All: > > Either I am doing something right and you all are doing > something wrong, or maybe you are having "Hauck Luck" and > got that one out of a million that crap out. > > I don't know about swapping one for a $200 Honda > replacement, or letting it sit idle for three years (three > hours operation in three years is idle). Mine sees a lot of > use and keeps on ticking. The last one I replaced is still > good. Plan to use it in another application on my > Dodge/Cummins. The only reason I swapped it out was the > 2000 Alaska flight. > > Take care, > > john h > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:13 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: the fuel pump deal --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" A while back someone from this list asked me about the pumps that NAPA sells and in order to help the person with that particular application I had to phone the tech line and ask a pro. Don't remember what the question was but did learn something I didn't know. Most electric fuel pumps require a constant flow of fuel through them to cool the coils. Otherwise the unit over heats and causes failure. That's why cars have a fuel return system. It keeps a constant flow of fuel through the pump regardless of fuel consumption. for what it's worth. pp ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:51 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > I replaced the airplane pump with another Facet because > it is so cheep and I only use it for back up and priming the carbs but I > don't feel comfortable using one as a primary pump. And now I > hear I'm not the only one. > > Rick Neilsen Rick/All: Maybe it would be a good idea for someone to check with Aircraft Spruce, and some of the other homebuilt aircraft parts houses that sell this pump. If there is a problem, we need to know about it. I use my Facet as boost/backup pump should the engine driven pump on the 912S go belly up on me. If there is a chance of the Facet now performing when asked at that urgent time, then I need another pump with more reliability. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:37 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: faucet --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Maybe it would be a good idea for someone to check with Aircraft Spruce, and some of the other homebuilt aircraft parts houses that sell this pump. I have a hotline to the company I can use will let ya know tomorrow when it's open pp do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:01 PM PST US From: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: facet --> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com I want to know more about the pump on vamoose ... Rotary's are pretty good but must NOT be left Idle or allow water ingestion ... seizes up the rollers ... I know I need a new pump on my K-75 Motorcycle ...Dave ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:44 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Two comments : First , I believe the facet pumps used on autos should not be confused with the low pressure pumps we use . Higher pressure pumps seem to stop completely at pressure , while lower pressure pumps seem to keep running at a slightly different tone equal to high pressure pumps just before they stop. Maybe we're not comparing oranges , just a thought . Second , On the W& B issue , this may be useful to some , after installing floats on my FS II , I opted to hang the assembled bird , including floats , from the clevis pins at the main spar and fusalage connection , ( which is at the desired CG ) by means of a homemade spreader made from leftover control cable and stainless steel tangs . By hoisting the bird by means of a $ 20.00 cumalong till pilot (yours truly ) and floats were off the ground and adding weights according as required till the wings reached the 7 1/2" / 9 degress , I was able to achieve the proper W & B . The first taxi resulted in a perfect lift off and once airborn discovered the control stick to be in what I consider to be the optimum position at cruise ( 75 IAS ). After the proverbial gonads began to expand , found I could lift off in approx 200' . I have since used this method to check / do various W & B on other birds ( terra -firma s and the like ) to find somewhat of an error in the results of using the formular to calculate W & B . Maybe this method will help in double checking or doing W & B on those unorthodox flying machines . Thanks for your time JJP FS II on floats 503 DCDI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" > > I agree. I put one on for a replacement for a $200.00 Honda car fuel pump > and it lasted for app 100 miles before it quit. I also had one on my VW > powered MKIII that I used a priming/backup pump over three years it had > maybe 3 hours total time on it when it quit. I will NEVER use a Facet pump > on a airplane as a primary pump. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIIIc > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com > > > > Hi all ...been watching this thread for a while ... I ran a VW Shop for > many > > years and I must say I had a REAL problem with FACET Fuel Pumps They would > > quit and strand my customers on a regular Basis !!! (Other shops had > failures > > also)Made me look pretty bad .... I sure hope they have improved since > then .... > > Just my 2 cents ...Dave > > > > In a message dated 11/17/03 8:31:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > rwpike@charter.net writes: > > > > << > > Mine clicks a bit slower. > > > > Richard Pike > > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > do not archive > > > > At 07:07 AM 11/17/03 -0600, you wrote: > > > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken > > > > > >For you guys running Facet pumps: Do these pumps quit when they come up > to > > >pressure, or do they keep clicking away, with a slightly different > sound? > > >I thought they'd actually stop clicking once they had reached full > > >pressure. I have a Honda tractor and that's how that works. It pumps a > > >bunch of clicks, slows down the rate of the clicks and finally stops > once > > >it has reached pressure. Then it clicks as needed to maintain pressure. > > >Facets must be different. > > > > > > > > >Jim Gerken > > > >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:56 PM PST US From: "Aaron Hollingsworth" Subject: Kolb-List: do not archive? SMTPD_IN_RCVD --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" I received this email: >You should have added do not archive to most of your posts. You have now >injected a large amount into the archives for others to fight thru to find >useful info. Just something that you were unaware of I would suppose. >>>snip. WTF is the criteria for 'useful' vs. not useful? hell, I find the discussion useful or I wouldn't have posted to begin with. I hope the next person that buys a used Kolb can find all the information exchanged here. I know that I find the archive very helpful. Aaron --- "OH PLEASE, PLEASE, DO NOT ARCHIVE" ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:00 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: do not archive? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Aron This was useful information for the archive. This topic hasn't been kicked around before and needed to be archived. There are some topics that get beat to death all too often and end up on the archive like seaf.... Someone suggested a while back that we delete the old parts of the E-mail when a topic gets kicked around allot so that you don't see the same information in the archive over and over again. I think that is a good guide line. Ignore the do not archive comment. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Hollingsworth" Subject: Kolb-List: do not archive? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" > > I received this email: > > > >You should have added do not archive to most of your posts. You have now > >injected a large amount into the archives for others to fight thru to find > >useful info. Just something that you were unaware of I would suppose. > >>>snip. > > WTF is the criteria for 'useful' vs. not useful? hell, I find the discussion useful or I wouldn't have posted to begin with. I hope the next person that buys a used Kolb can find all the information exchanged here. I know that I find the archive very helpful. > > Aaron > > --- DO NOT ARCHIVE" ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:25 PM PST US From: CaptainRon Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultra-Com helmet for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon Got to a dead end on the link. do not archive =================================== --- Timandjan@aol.com wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com > > I am selling an ultra-com helmet and patch cord on > Ebay for the widow of a > club member who was killed in a crash a few weeks > back. It's like new if anyone > needs a helmet, sorry to advertise here but it's a > great deal if anyone needs > one and the funds go to his wife. Other club members > sold most of his other > stuff and I volunteered to sell this for them on > ebay. Here is the link, bidding > starts at $150.00 > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=26436& > item=2443418125 > > thanks > > Tim > > > > Click on the > this > generous > _-> > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== Ron Building M3X Southern Arizona __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:58 PM PST US From: "Duncan McBride" Subject: Kolb-List: Happy idiot with facet pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" For what it's worth, I have 112 hours on 319DM (912) and I run the facet about half the time. Test it in preflight, use it to start, turn it off to test the main pump during warmup, and back on to takeoff. I usually turn it off above 1000 feet which is about half the time I've been flying, but sometimes I forget. Still ticking like a champ. Maybe there's just a bad one now and then, but I took my direction from the fact that everybody sells them, and the guys I trusted were using them. So far so good. That's why I keep reading the list. And throw in my two cents worth from time to time. If (when?) it fails, I'll let y'all know. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" > > John > > I'm sure there are bad pumps in any brand but I have personally seen two > Facet failures in different applications and that concerns me. The car in > Michigan may have seen some salt since they spread that crap all over our > roads in the winter. Trust me the Facet in my airplane hasn't been exposed > to very much of it. I replaced the airplane pump with another Facet because > it is so cheep and I only use it for back up and priming the carbs but I > don't feel comfortable using one as a primary pump. It's always possible I'm > doing something wrong but short of hooking them up backwards, feeding them > dirty fuel, and yes salty water there isn't much you can do wrong. And now I > hear I'm not the only one. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIIIc > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hauck" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > > > > > > I agree. I put one on for a replacement for a $200.00 > > > Honda car fuel pump and it lasted for app 100 miles > > > before it quit. I also had one on my VW powered MKIII > > > that I used a priming/backup pump over three years it had > > > maybe 3 hours total time on it when it quit. I will > > > NEVER use a Facet pump on a airplane as a primary pump. > > > > > > Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc > > > > Rick/All: > > > > Either I am doing something right and you all are doing > > something wrong, or maybe you are having "Hauck Luck" and > > got that one out of a million that crap out. > > > > I don't know about swapping one for a $200 Honda > > replacement, or letting it sit idle for three years (three > > hours operation in three years is idle). Mine sees a lot of > > use and keeps on ticking. The last one I replaced is still > > good. Plan to use it in another application on my > > Dodge/Cummins. The only reason I swapped it out was the > > 2000 Alaska flight. > > > > Take care, > > > > john h > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:10 PM PST US From: "Aaron Hollingsworth" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: do not archive? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" BTW, thanks for the external ant info on your site. I picked up the radioshack misc parts and went from REALLY bad radio transmit to clear. I did a couple radio checks on climbout at full rpm, others could hear me just fine. I even skimped on finding the 'right' rc pushpull rod and used a old coat hanger... straighten right up filed down an end to fit into the bnc. makes a great poor man special! BTW, I'm interested in your flap mod, but the pictures on your site are a bit hard to see. Mind taking a couple new close-up shots? Thanks, aaron - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: do not archive? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" > > Aron > > This was useful information for the archive. This topic hasn't been kicked > around before and needed to be archived. There are some topics that get beat > to death all too often and end up on the archive like seaf.... > > Someone suggested a while back that we delete the old parts of the E-mail > when a topic gets kicked around allot so that you don't see the same > information in the archive over and over again. I think that is a good guide > line. > > Ignore the do not archive comment. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIIIc > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:09 PM PST US From: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultra-Com helmet for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com I love my ultra Comm ! ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:57 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Kolb-List: facet --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Well ya got me mumbling to myself .....ASC lists 4 part numbers for the solid state type and 4 for the interrupter (boost) type. It doesn't seem right to lump them all together for reliability. I Myself use the low 2-4 pounder SS followed by a regulator as my antique carb reputedly doesn't like much more than gravity. I would guess that the different pressures are decided by internal relief. Has anyone popped one open or actually discovered what the failure cause was? Coil? spring? obstruction? corrosion? Inquiring minds want to know. -BB , only one of 'em but then only one heart too ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:48 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flaps --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Let me see what I can do. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 05:16 PM 11/17/03 -0800, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" > >BTW, thanks for the external ant info on your site. I picked up the >radioshack misc parts and went from REALLY bad radio transmit to clear. I >did a couple radio checks on climbout at full rpm, others could hear me just >fine. I even skimped on finding the 'right' rc pushpull rod and used a old >coat hanger... straighten right up filed down an end to fit into the bnc. >makes a great poor man special! > >BTW, I'm interested in your flap mod, but the pictures on your site are a >bit hard to see. Mind taking a couple new close-up shots? > >Thanks, > >aaron ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:40 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultra-Com helmet for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck BMWBikeCrz@aol.com wrote: > I love my ultra Comm ! Gang: This is a good example of what needs the DO NOT ARCHIVE tacked on the bottom of the post. Information should be of general interest to the group, at least. Even then, if it does not pertain to Kolbs, building or flying them, aviation information that would be of interest to the majority of the group, it should have the DO NOT ARCHIVE tacked on the bottom of the post. I am not the "list monitor" as I have been accused of by some. Just one of the gang that makes the same mistakes everybody else does after almost six years of reading and writing to the Kolb List. It's for our benefit............ john h PS: Not picking on BMWBikeCrz. His post just happened to pop up at the right/wrong time. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:54 PM PST US From: "Aaron Hollingsworth" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: do not archive? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" ooops.. wrong Richard. I was referring to Richard Pike's site: http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg2.htm - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Hollingsworth" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: do not archive? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" > > BTW, thanks for the external ant info on your site. I picked up the > radioshack misc parts and went from REALLY bad radio transmit to clear. I > did a couple radio checks on climbout at full rpm, others could hear me just > fine. I even skimped on finding the 'right' rc pushpull rod and used a old > coat hanger... straighten right up filed down an end to fit into the bnc. > makes a great poor man special! > > BTW, I'm interested in your flap mod, but the pictures on your site are a > bit hard to see. Mind taking a couple new close-up shots? > > Thanks, > > aaron > - > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: do not archive? > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" > > > > > Aron > > > > This was useful information for the archive. This topic hasn't been kicked > > around before and needed to be archived. There are some topics that get > beat > > to death all too often and end up on the archive like seaf.... > > > > Someone suggested a while back that we delete the old parts of the E-mail > > when a topic gets kicked around allot so that you don't see the same > > information in the archive over and over again. I think that is a good > guide > > line. > > > > Ignore the do not archive comment. > > > > Rick Neilsen > > Redrive VW powered MKIIIc > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facets stop running ? Of Course they do !!! From: ul15rhb@juno.com.PLING_QUERY.Subject.has.exclamation.mark.and.question.mark (0.1 points) --> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com PLING_QUERY (0.1 points) Subject has exclamation mark and question mark If a facet pump is connected in series with the mechanical pump, will it still work if the mechanical pump diaphragm ruptures? The reason it may not, is the facet will pump fuel through the ruptured diaphragm, via the pulse port, into the crankcase killing the engine. I would suggest someone with a facet pump connected in series, take an old mechanical pump and purposely rupture the diaphragm, install it, and check it out. A parallel arrangement will bypass the mechanical pump and be a surefire method of getting fuel to the carb(s) when needed the most. Ralph Original Firestar 16 years flying it ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:04 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: [ Craig Nelson ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Craig Nelson Subject: Gap Seal http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/vitalfx0@msn.com.1.11.17.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:07 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: [ Craig Nelson ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Craig Nelson Subject: Firewall http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/vitalfx0@msn.com.2.11.17.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:30 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: [ Craig Nelson ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Craig Nelson Subject: Gas Tank / Firewall http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/vitalfx0@msn.com.3.11.17.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:39 PM PST US From: "Aaron Hollingsworth" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultra-Com helmet for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" Not to be unreasonable, but I don't really follow the archive/don't archive train of thought.... searching archives, I would only find the message below if I searched for 'love' (which I would be in the wrong list) or Ultra comm.. in which case I may 'love' to find a post from someone that 'loves' their Ultra Comm and 'loves' using it in their Kolb... I may even want to email the 'lover' of his ultracomm to inquire about what type of kolb its being used in, what other equip he uses. With drive space being near free, I cant see it being a drive issue... if it is, I'm sure I could dig up a spare 120gig... should last a while (20 years or so at this lists volume). A good example: I used the archives to search for all msgs with my planes NNumber, the last owner, or the builders name. I learned a ton about my plane's history... many (most maybe) of those msgs would have been DO NOT ARCHIVE to most people. I am damn glad they were not. 'Obligatory DO NOT ARCHIVE' aaron - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultra-Com helmet for sale > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > > BMWBikeCrz@aol.com wrote: > > > I love my ultra Comm ! > > Gang: > > This is a good example of what needs the DO NOT ARCHIVE > tacked on the bottom of the post. > > Information should be of general interest to the group, at > least. Even then, if it does not pertain to Kolbs, building > or flying them, aviation information that would be of > interest to the majority of the group, it should have the DO > NOT ARCHIVE tacked on the bottom of the post. > > I am not the "list monitor" as I have been accused of by > some. Just one of the gang that makes the same mistakes > everybody else does after almost six years of reading and > writing to the Kolb List. > > It's for our benefit............ > > john h > > PS: Not picking on BMWBikeCrz. His post just happened to > pop up at the right/wrong time. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:15 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Craig Nelson ] Fuel Tank --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Craig/All: You said as near as you could figure you were going to have 22 fuel capacity. Does that mean you have not pressure and/or water tested the fuel tank? Did you slosh it? I water tested my fuel tank so Bro Jim could get the leaks that showed up. During the water test, I used one gal milk jugs to fill the tank. Took 25 or those little fellers to fill it to the top. I could drain out all 25 of the also. After we repaired all existing leaks, I sloshed my tank four times (once a day for four days). With 1,952 hours on the tank, it has leaked nary a drop. Wish I could have said that for the Firestar tank. However, what we learned from mistakes made on it were applied to the MK III tank. john h ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:39 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: DO NOT ARCHIVE --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Aaron Hollingsworth wrote: > Not to be unreasonable, but I don't really follow the > archive/don't archive train of thought.... Aaron/All: Hang in there. You are relatively new to the Kolb List. You are bound to catch on after while. I am sure that anyone that flies a MK III powered with a 618, off a 6,800 ASL airfield, with DA approaching 7,500 feet, overloaded by two people that weight almost as much as the airplane will be able to understand. hehehe I am tired and going to bed. Somebody else can try and explain to Aaron about The Kolb Builders List. Good night, :-) john h PS: Aaron, the subject should also reflect what we are talking about. I am bad about neglecting to change it also. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:20 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Kolb-List: Do Not Archive and Kolb-List Useage Guidelines --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Aaron and all, All of us have subscribed to this list for a variety of reasons. Because we are associated with Kolb aircraft should be the first reason. When we first signed on to this list and at regular intervals the List Administrator post the Usage Guidelines for this and all the other lists that Matt maintains. If you forgot to read it initially or in the recent past, here is the link to it: http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm If you don't want to take the time to read about all the capabilities of the Kolb List, then here is an extract of the **************************************************************************** ** Kolb-List Usage Guidelines **************************************************************************** ** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Kolb-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. *************************** If you made it to here I thank you. Remember there is no such thing as a dumb question. It does get a little old getting questions that are readily available in print or on the web. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra: Jabiru 2200, 500 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/ do not archive