---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/20/03: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:13 AM - Re: 2SI bows out, another victim of our legal system (Dave Rains) 2. 05:40 AM - Re: Firestar gross wt (Thom Riddle) 3. 09:18 AM - Trailer for Firestar (Gray, Mark) 4. 10:39 AM - Re: 912 Convert (Eugene Zimmerman) 5. 11:11 AM - engines, debate over which is better (Jim Gerken) 6. 12:09 PM - Re: engines, debate over which is better (John Hauck) 7. 01:41 PM - Re: engines, debate over which is better (Jack & Louise Hart) 8. 01:49 PM - Re: Firestar gross wt (SR3SA2L1@aol.com) 9. 02:56 PM - Re: Trailer for Firestar (owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com) 10. 02:57 PM - Re: Trailer for Firestar (owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com) 11. 04:56 PM - enclosure (ron wehba) 12. 05:16 PM - Re: 2SI bows out (CaptainRon) 13. 05:50 PM - Ultra Star landing gear (Dale Sellers) 14. 06:02 PM - 2Si (Lawrence M. Rice) 15. 06:43 PM - Re: 2Si (Olenik Aviation) 16. 07:33 PM - hirth (woody) 17. 07:35 PM - Re: engines, debate over which is better (Richard Pike) 18. 07:57 PM - Re: Show and Tell (CRAIG M NELSON) 19. 08:05 PM - Re: 2Si (Robert Laird) 20. 08:52 PM - 912 FOR SALE (William Herren) 21. 08:55 PM - Re: Show and Tell (John Hauck) 22. 09:02 PM - Re: enclosure (John Hauck) 23. 09:07 PM - Rotax and Aircraft Engines (John Hauck) 24. 09:10 PM - Re: Ultra Star landing gear (John Hauck) 25. 09:29 PM - Re: Rotax and Aircraft Engines (Robert Laird) 26. 09:30 PM - Re: Ultra Star landing gear (Robert Laird) 27. 09:59 PM - Re: Rotax and Aircraft Engines (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:49 AM PST US From: Dave Rains Subject: RE: Kolb-List: 2SI bows out, another victim of our legal system --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains Sure would like to see a looser pays system. Would sure make an attorney think twice before filing a frivolous suite. And don't get started about how poor people won't get justice, being poor does, (and should) have some disadvantages, but attorneys will still take cases of clear merit. One more thing, I think attorneys who are working within the criminal justice system are decent honorable people, it's the bottom feeders (have you been injured? call....) that screw things up. Off my soapbox Dave Rains do not archive Every once in a while I read something on this list and I just feel compelled to respond. It might be the subtlety of your analysis, it might be your obvious grasp of the complexity of the economic and legal issues surrounding experimental aviation and how they are intertwined. Or maybe its your penetrating insight into Japanese tort law. But a little background first . . . and I'll summarize . . . I'm a lawyer and I represented Kolb Aircraft for many years. If it wasn't for me you'd be flying a Kitfox. I can see that you are obviously torn up about 2SI's decision to leave the aviation market. But have no fear, the country needs folks like you to use your good ol' common sense to straighten things out. And the helpful and well considered attitude you display suggests you might be just the sort of guy your local courthouse and stand on the front steps. When you see a guy with a tie on (could be a lawyer or a judge) tell him you have THE ANSWERS and can solve this aviation lawsuit problem. Like this guy with the 2SI suit for example. Its simple. Just throw the greedy bastard out on his butt. Naturally, the judges, who as a group are a very hard working and smart bunch of guys, will be enormously grateful for your help. In fact, you might want to do a little something to make yourself stand out from the early morning crowd at the courthouse, I dunno, a big pointed hat maybe, just so they see you. Alot of us in the aviation defense bar are getting tired. You know how it is, endlessly watching our clients getting slapped upside the head by greedy plaintiffs who got a hangnail or lost their self esteem because of some alleged defect in the product. So you have come along at just the right time. I need a break. In fact, the Lawyer Pilots Bar Association is meeting in Tucson this winter, maybe you'd like to give a little speech to the group. Just one thing, we make speakers wear, uh, really, really big red shoes. So I'm just gonna put my feet up on my desk and take it easy for a bit, now that you have made my job so much easier, then I'll get back to work on installing that 912 in my Mark III. Thanks again for all the help. Mark R. Sellers Kolb Twinstar Mark III, N496BM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:37 AM PST US From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar gross wt --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" My early FS 377 w/ BRS weighs 318 lbs. empty with full enclosure, aux. 5 gal tank, and who knows how many years of accumulation of dirt etc. My winter flying weight is 205#, so with full tanks (10 gal) my Take-Off Wt. is 583 lbs. With 5 gallons it is 553 lbs. I have not been flying it very long, about 25 hours but have not broken it yet. I've had one hard landing while catching a nasty down draft on short final which resulted in a high bounce, recovery and smooth landing. No signs of damage at all. Thom in Buffalo do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:23 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Trailer for Firestar From: "Gray, Mark" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gray, Mark" Does anyone have a design or know of one for an enclosed trailer that will fit the Firestar. I am likely losing my runway and the only option, until I can find a new home, is to trailer to a friendly field and unfold for each flight. Thank Mark Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:19 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912 Convert --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Richard Pike wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > I know a stranger thing than that: > I got that snug, firm, secure feeling -and incredibly more- when got I > converted from hippie heathen to trusting my Jewish Carpenter Boss for > salvation 30 years ago. > Compared to that, any conversion on my MKIII is trivial. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Preach it brother! You may even convert a lawyer someday. Amen? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:56 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: engines, debate over which is better From: Jim Gerken 11/20/2003 01:11:37 PM --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken I am sure glad you guys are all in love with the engine you chose. Just think how much BMW engines would cost if you all wanted one. Competition is a good thing. Too bad there is little economic reward for the pioneers. Jim ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:11 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: engines, debate over which is better --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > I am sure glad you guys are all in love with the engine you chose. Just > think how much BMW engines would cost if you all wanted one. Competition > is a good thing. Too bad there is little economic reward for the pioneers. > > > Jim Jim/All: Thanks! I for one am. Makes life and flying much more enjoyable. If you are in it for the money, you are in it for the wrong thing. That takes the fun out of it. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:41:25 PM PST US From: Jack & Louise Hart Subject: Re: Kolb-List: engines, debate over which is better --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart At 01:11 PM 11/20/03 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken > >I am sure glad you guys are all in love with the engine you chose. Jim, I believe most are a little more practical about such a choice. Things like size, weight and cost all figure into it. If someone would come out with a 30 to 40 hp four cycle engine that weighed dry and dressed around 75 pounds and priced around two to three thousand dollars, I am sure some of them would show up on FireFlys and Firestars. But until that happens, we are stuck with which brand of two cycle engine to purchase that best fits our needs and our pocket book. Maybe Rad-Cam will leave four cylinders off and sell a 30 hp two cycle engine, or perhaps remove only two and sell a 45 hp engine. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO Jack & Louise Hart jbhart@ldd.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:33 PM PST US From: SR3SA2L1@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar gross wt --> Kolb-List message posted by: SR3SA2L1@aol.com Thanks Thom. Steve ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:06 PM PST US From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer for Firestar --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dear Mark Look to my webpage, you can find a drawing for my Kolb-Tvinstar trailer there. I can send you more information if you need Bestu kvejur/Best regards hjalmar *********************************** Hjlmar Jhannesson Urarteig 6 740 Neskaupsta URL: http://hjalmar.ismennt.is Email: hjalm@ismennt.is MobTel: (354) 895 11 70 Tel: (354) 477 11 70 ********************************** -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gray, Mark Subject: Kolb-List: Trailer for Firestar --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gray, Mark" Does anyone have a design or know of one for an enclosed trailer that will fit the Firestar. I am likely losing my runway and the only option, until I can find a new home, is to trailer to a friendly field and unfold for each flight. Thank Mark Do not archive = == == == == ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:35 PM PST US From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer for Firestar --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dear Mark Im sorry, forgot to send my webside http://hjalmar.ismennt.is/Vagn.htm Bestu kvejur/Best regards hjalmar *********************************** Hjlmar Jhannesson Urarteig 6 740 Neskaupsta URL: http://hjalmar.ismennt.is Email: hjalm@ismennt.is MobTel: (354) 895 11 70 Tel: (354) 477 11 70 ********************************** -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gray, Mark Subject: Kolb-List: Trailer for Firestar --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gray, Mark" Does anyone have a design or know of one for an enclosed trailer that will fit the Firestar. I am likely losing my runway and the only option, until I can find a new home, is to trailer to a friendly field and unfold for each flight. Thank Mark Do not archive = == == == == ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:38 PM PST US From: "ron wehba" Subject: Kolb-List: enclosure --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" anyone built or know of a winter enclosure on a ultrastar?,,,yea its old (1985) but i love it!! ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:03 PM PST US From: CaptainRon Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2SI bows out --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon Good lead, It has been book marked. do not archive ================================ --- Kirk Smith wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > > > > ----- > However 70hp at D.A of around 7800-9000 in > the warmer > > season knocked them out of contention. > > Ron, > Might want to look into the MZ engine. > http://www.compactradialengines.com/ > > > Do not archive > > > > Click on the > this > generous > _-> > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== Ron Building M3X Southern Arizona __________________________________ Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:15 PM PST US From: "Dale Sellers" Subject: Kolb-List: Ultra Star landing gear --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wanted, desperately, one set of original landing gear legs for an Ultra Star. I wiped mine out this afternoon. Can anyone help me? Dale Sellers Georgia do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:52 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: 2Si From: "Lawrence M. Rice" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Lawrence M. Rice" This is a real disappointment, as I was looking to buy a 2Si for my Micro Mong. If we get to the point that nothing is made here, it's a financial disaster for the USA. We can all balme lawyers when we hear of silly lawsuits, but it takes somebody who wants to get a bunch of money they know they didn't deserve hiring a lawyer to make it happen. The basidc problem is greed. Greed causes ridiculous and manipulative lawsuits. It causes a lot of other problems, too. I did notice on 2Si's website that they still list all the same products they always sold, they just don't talk about airplanes........ Peace, Larry the MicroMong guy do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:44 PM PST US From: "Olenik Aviation" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: 2Si --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" Larry, Ironically, it was a Micro Mong that the guy was flying when he crashed.....you can read about that particular plane in Experimenter Magazine from February of 2001..... it mentions in the article that he had to make several modifications to the engine and EXHAUST SYSTEM to make the engine fit nicely on that airplane because it was not the recommended engine for that plane...... we all know how exhaust mods can cause piston failures...right??? Tom Olenik Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation. Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell...... DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lawrence M. Rice Subject: Kolb-List: 2Si --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Lawrence M. Rice" This is a real disappointment, as I was looking to buy a 2Si for my Micro Mong. If we get to the point that nothing is made here, it's a financial disaster for the USA. We can all balme lawyers when we hear of silly lawsuits, but it takes somebody who wants to get a bunch of money they know they didn't deserve hiring a lawyer to make it happen. The basidc problem is greed. Greed causes ridiculous and manipulative lawsuits. It causes a lot of other problems, too. I did notice on 2Si's website that they still list all the same products they always sold, they just don't talk about airplanes........ Peace, Larry the MicroMong guy do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:10 PM PST US From: "woody" Subject: Kolb-List: hirth --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" Hey Ron What happened to the F 30 you were thinking of buying? Sounded like a great deal aerialron@yahoo.com> > > Well i was inclined to buy the Simonini anyway. and > now it looks like a virtual certainty. > > do not archive. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:12 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: engines, debate over which is better --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike There is currently a Rotax 906 on ebay with exactly those specs. Go for it. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 03:31 PM 11/20/03 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart > >Jim, > > If someone would come out with a 30 to 40 hp four cycle engine that > weighed dry and dressed around 75 pounds and priced around two to three > thousand dollars, I am sure some of them would show up on FireFlys and > Firestars. >Jack B. Hart FF004 >Jackson, MO > > >Jack & Louise Hart >jbhart@ldd.net > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:09 PM PST US From: "CRAIG M NELSON" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Show and Tell --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck Subject: Kolb-List: Show and Tell --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Hi Gang: The mail man came riding up this morning on the Titus Post Office Mail Mule. John; Thanks for the share!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! makes me know I made the right decision to go with a Kolb. the shots with tie huge mountains and ominous weather----wow!!!! the picture over the water sends chills up my spine!! and I really like the mug shot!! Thanks again Uncle Craig MKIII912uls Arizona DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:42 PM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2Si --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird At 06:31 PM 11/20/2003, you wrote: >I did notice on 2Si's website that they still list all the same products >they always sold, they just don't talk about airplanes........ I think that's there way around all the liability issues... Even Rotax says their engines are not for use in an aircraft. Sounds to me like you can still buy the engine, but it has to be for your, ahem, go-cart! -- R DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:31 PM PST US From: "William Herren" Subject: Kolb-List: 912 FOR SALE --> Kolb-List message posted by: "William Herren" Roger & Mary wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger & Mary" I am parting out my 601HDS due to medical / family issues. The following items are for sale: 1) Rotax 912 UL, 80HP, S/N 4403275, 50HR Total Time ZAC supplied muffler, oil tank and oil cooler $7,500.00 2) Airplast PV 50 Prop and spinner, 66", black, 4 Hours Total Time $2,000.00 3) Warp Drive Prop and spinner, 68", with nickel leading edge tapered blades, 46 HR Total Time $450.00 4) King KY97A Comm, with CI-401-31KC Comm Antenna $750.00 5) King KT-76A Transponder $800.00 6) Ameri-King AK-350 Altitude Encoder $100.00 7) Ameri-King AK-450 ELT W/aircraft antenna $125.00 Do not archive The props are likely tractor applications. Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list? MSN Shopping has lined up some good bets! http://shopping.msn.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:15 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Show and Tell --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck John; Thanks for the > share!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! makes me know I made the right > decision to go with a Kolb. the shots with tie huge > mountains and ominous weather----wow!!!! the picture over > the water sends chills up my spine!! and I really like > the mug shot!! Thanks again Uncle Craig MKIII912uls Thank you Craig: The little Kolb will take you almost anywhere you want to go, with a good engine (two or four stroke) properly maintained and an adventurous soul at the controls. For some of you all on the Kolb List that did not know, my first flight to around the US and up to Alaska was to be done with Miss P'fer and the 582. Unfortunately, or fortunately, the 582 seized at a little over 200 hours. That brought about everyone else wanting me to do the flight with the 912. Course no one had any money to help me, and I didn't have any either. But we found a way to do it and the flight was a great success, even though we missed our turn around point (Pt Barrow) by 205 miles. That gave me an opportunity to make two more attempts before I finally go it right and took the picture over the water north of Point Barrow, Alaska. Appreciate the good comments. Was getting weary with the other kind. :-) When I departed Anaktuvuk Pass for Galbraith Lake, about 65 miles east on the north side of the Brooks Range, over the North Slope, I really got myself into some nasty weather, the weather you see sitting on the north east of Anaktuvuk. No one would believe where and in what conditions my little airplane has carried me over the years. Sometimes the hair raises on my arms when I go back and relive some of those adventures. Funny thing though. When a long flight is completed, I am ready to get up and go again in a couple weeks. Can not wait until 1 July 2004, for our flight back to Alaska. Please pardon my long post. john h PS: I have lots of pictures I would like to share, but sometimes time runs out before I get around to digging them out, scanning, and uploading to the index page. That kind of work for me is really time intensive. Right now, that is what I have the least of. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:11 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: enclosure --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck ron wehba wrote: anyone built or know of a winter > enclosure on a ultrastar?,,,yea its old (1985) but i love > it!! Ron/All: Personally, I think an enclosure would ruin what the Ultrastar is all about, wide open, light weight, and a super flying little airplane. For winter flying in my Ultrastar I bought a snowmobile suit, some elk skin mittens that came almost to my elbows, and some kind of kinky foam and nylon snow boots they were selling back in 1984. I also had a balaclava that covered everything on my head but my eyeballs, and a full face BMW helmet with swing up front so I could wear it with my glasses. Did a pretty good job of keeping me from freezing for a little while. On the ground I could also raise the front of the BMW helmet and spit my Beechnut if I forgot to before I got ready to fly. :-) Would have been nice to have the Chilly Vest to keep me warm back then. I believe the Cuyuna alternator would have had plenty power to operate it. That little vest does everything an efficient cabin heater does with out all the plumbing and other hardware. I have seen several attempts to enclose the Ultrastar, but miserable failures and ruined good birds IMHO. Want to get out of the weather, buy a Firestar. Then when you get older, get a Mark III, fully enclose it, and enjoy the comfort of not getting blasted by warm or cold air. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:57 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax and Aircraft Engines --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > I think that's there way around all the liability > issues... Even Rotax says their engines are not for use > in an aircraft. > -- R Robert/All: Sorry to disagree, but check this out: When only the best will do, a genuine ROTAX Aircraft Engine is the only option. Then go to this url and check out the page where I got it: http://www.rotec.com/ While you are at it, check out this page: http://www.kodiakbs.com/index.htm From what I can tell, they make no bones about it. Rotax sells aircraft engines. Take care, john h PS: I took the liberty to change the subject line. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:32 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultra Star landing gear --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck !!!!!!!!!!!! > > Wanted, desperately, one set of original landing gear > legs for an Ultra Star. I wiped mine out this afternoon. > Can anyone help me? > > Dale Sellers Georgia do not archive Dale/All: Did you get both of them? I did that on my first Ultrastar landing, which was also my first fixed wing landing. Got both those little suckers. After that, when I broke a landing gear it was usually just one, the first one to hit the ground. When I would load up just one gear and slap it pretty hard on the ground, it was going to break. Have done go arounds with the right gear sticking straight out to the side like an amphibian. john h ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:42 PM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax and Aircraft Engines --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird Sorry, John, you're right... my 912S Installation Manual clearly says "Aircraft Engine" on it. I think I simply remembered that, a couple of years ago, I ran across a Rotax manual for a 2-stroke engine that stated 'not for use on aircraft' or something similar. I jumped the gun and responded too quickly. I think that there are Rotax aircraft engines, and there are Rotax non-aircraft engines. -- Robert DO NOT ARCHIVE At 11:06 PM 11/20/2003, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > > > I think that's there way around all the liability > > issues... Even Rotax says their engines are not for use > > in an aircraft. > > -- R > >Robert/All: > >Sorry to disagree, but check this out: > >When only the best will do, a genuine ROTAX Aircraft Engine >is the only option. > >Then go to this url and check out the page where I got it: > >http://www.rotec.com/ > >While you are at it, check out this page: > >http://www.kodiakbs.com/index.htm > > From what I can tell, they make no bones about it. Rotax >sells aircraft engines. > >Take care, > >john h > >PS: I took the liberty to change the subject line. > > ------------------------- EZ Dock Texas Gulf Coast Office Phone: 281-752-9096 Cell Phone: 713-503-2949 Fax: 425-928-3369 Web : www.EZDockTexGulf.com EMail: robert@EZDockTexGulf.com Personal web pages: http://www.rlaird.net http://www.texas-flyer.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:40 PM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultra Star landing gear --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird At 11:10 PM 11/20/2003, you wrote: >Have done go arounds with the right gear >sticking straight out to the side like an amphibian. Well, then... you should have broken the other one the same way, then landed in a puddle! -- Robert DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:05 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax and Aircraft Engines --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > I think that > there are Rotax aircraft engines, and there are Rotax > non-aircraft engines. > > -- Robert Robert/All: If I am not to badly mistaken, Rotax powers See Doo's and Ski Doo's. Rotax engines are also used in other utility applications. One of them, related to me by a former Army Helicopter Pilot at Oshkosh, was a platform mounted 503 that powered 5 circular saw blades. This "contraption" was hung on a 100 ft line from a Hughes 500 helicopter. His job was to trim trees on power line right of ways in inaccessible areas, such as the big swamps in Louisiana and the Rocky Mountains. He told me they would crank the 503, set it for what ever RPM they operated it at, let it run until he returned from his mission. Said those rigs got knocked around quite a bit, as one can imagine, but kept on ticking. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE