Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:01 AM - weight and balance (bryan green)
2. 07:18 AM - EIS effect on Compass? (Terry Davis)
3. 07:35 AM - kolb flyin out west (monument valley) (boyd young)
4. 08:05 AM - Re: kolb flyin out west (monument valley) (John Hauck)
5. 08:49 AM - Monument Valley 2004 (John Williamson)
6. 09:52 AM - southwest trip (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com (by way of Matt Dralle)
7. 10:02 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (John Hauck)
8. 10:33 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (ron wehba)
9. 10:43 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (ron wehba)
10. 10:48 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (John Williamson)
11. 10:53 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (ron wehba)
12. 11:15 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (Robert Laird)
13. 11:45 AM - Law Stuff 2si crash (Bruce n' Kathy)
14. 12:20 PM - Monument Valley 2004 (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
15. 03:43 PM - Checklists? (Jo and Larry)
16. 03:49 PM - engine (Paul Petty)
17. 04:36 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
18. 04:38 PM - filter inspection (Paul Petty)
19. 05:06 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (Dave Rains)
20. 05:09 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (Larry Bourne)
21. 05:18 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (CRAIG M NELSON)
22. 05:52 PM - Re: building (Richard Harris)
23. 05:55 PM - Re: filter inspection (Richard Harris)
24. 06:19 PM - Re: filter inspection (John Hauck)
25. 06:35 PM - Re: filter inspection (Denny Rowe)
26. 07:02 PM - Re: Law Stuff 2si crash (Denny Rowe)
27. 07:05 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (Larry Bourne)
28. 07:08 PM - filter (Paul Petty)
29. 07:27 PM - Re: filter (John Hauck)
30. 08:07 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
31. 08:16 PM - Re: filter (Don Gherardini)
32. 08:35 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (kuffel)
33. 08:35 PM - Re: filter inspection (woody)
34. 08:39 PM - Re: 912 engine oil, filters and oil analysis (Jim Clayton)
35. 08:42 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (Larry Bourne)
36. 08:47 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (Larry Bourne)
37. 09:52 PM - Copy part of a message (Richard Pike)
38. 11:01 PM - Last Minute...? (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | weight and balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Thank you very much possums this was missing from the material I have. Do not archive
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
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| Subject: | EIS effect on Compass? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry Davis" <davistcs@eoni.com>
Thanks for all the info, this is where the list really shines. I use the compass
very little when flying, but it is nice to be able to trust it if needed.
The compass will go in the panel as planned and I'll save the view out the front.
Terry Davis, FS2, Eastern Oregon DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | kolb flyin out west (monument valley) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
. We should also be churning up something on the order of last years'
Monument Valley fly-in for those of us who won't be doing the Alaska flight.
Larry and all
you have tken the words out of my mind...... i have been thinking of a trip next
spring and what format and location it should take. When Eric and myself
met for the first time it was on a trip around southern ut. the trip was
to start at one location..... fly 150 milesin the cool morning air, set up
camp in the afternoon...at evening we were going to fly around that area and
explor.... the next morning another 150 miles etc. etc. this way we would be
able to see many parts of the area. our ground support consisted of a couple
of tucks that would bring gas, oil, camping suplies, and other needful things
so that the planes could be flown lighter. what do you think of the concept.
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: kolb flyin out west (monument valley) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> tucks that would bring gas, oil, camping suplies, and
> other needful things so that the planes could be flown
> lighter. what do you think of the concept.
>
> boyd
Boyd/All:
When are we going to do this one. Might be able to squeeze
a "warm up flight" into my schedule prior to departure for
Alaska, 1 July 2004.
john h
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| Subject: | Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
I suggest 16 & 17 May 2004 to be at Monument Valley (UT25).
I have changed the subject so we can keep track of who wants to do what and
want to include everyone's information in the archive.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra: Jabiru 2200, 503 hours (Soon to be Rotax 912 ULS)
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com (by way of Matt Dralle
<nospam@matronics.com>)
Anywhere in the southwest is fine by me as well, so long as its got the
scenery. Southern Utah and Grand Canyon area are awfully hard to beat. Do
we need to have a home base, or should we have a planned flight route?
Erich Weaver
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I suggest 16 & 17 May 2004 to be at Monument Valley (UT25).
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
John W/All:
How about 14 through 17 May 2004. That is Friday, 14 May
through Monday 17 May 2004.
How many days did we stay last time? Three?
This is the same way last year's flight originated. Bet we
can get a lot more folks involved this year.
I like the idea of traveling around the area, rather than
sitting in one spot. But I will miss the creature comforts
of Gouldings, swimming pool, resturante, service station,
grocerie store, air strip, et al.
But the sense of adventure, flying to new and unknown places
is calling. I'm ready to go. :-)
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
just where is monument valley, Nevada?
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> > I suggest 16 & 17 May 2004 to be at Monument Valley (UT25).
>
> > John Williamson
> > Arlington, TX
>
> John W/All:
>
> How about 14 through 17 May 2004. That is Friday, 14 May
> through Monday 17 May 2004.
>
> How many days did we stay last time? Three?
>
> This is the same way last year's flight originated. Bet we
> can get a lot more folks involved this year.
>
> I like the idea of traveling around the area, rather than
> sitting in one spot. But I will miss the creature comforts
> of Gouldings, swimming pool, resturante, service station,
> grocerie store, air strip, et al.
>
> But the sense of adventure, flying to new and unknown places
> is calling. I'm ready to go. :-)
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
just where is monument valley, Nevada?
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> > I suggest 16 & 17 May 2004 to be at Monument Valley (UT25).
>
> > John Williamson
> > Arlington, TX
>
> John W/All:
>
> How about 14 through 17 May 2004. That is Friday, 14 May
> through Monday 17 May 2004.
>
> How many days did we stay last time? Three?
>
> This is the same way last year's flight originated. Bet we
> can get a lot more folks involved this year.
>
> I like the idea of traveling around the area, rather than
> sitting in one spot. But I will miss the creature comforts
> of Gouldings, swimming pool, resturante, service station,
> grocerie store, air strip, et al.
>
> But the sense of adventure, flying to new and unknown places
> is calling. I'm ready to go. :-)
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
How about starting this gathering at Canyonlands airport (KCNY) on about the
May 14 or 15 and work our way down to Monument Valley. We can get fuel and
spend the night if needed at Monticello and/or Blanding on the way down.
I have been reworking my Spring 2004 and Summer 2004 flying trips With a MV
trip I can knock off two trip at the same time. Here is what they will look
like for me:
http://home.comcast.net/~KolbraPilot3/Spring/gky-ut25-dvo.gif
http://home.comcast.net/~KolbraPilot3/Spring/gg-vn-gky.gif
As usual, everyone is welcome to join and leave the flight at any time and
the more the merrier.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra: Jabiru 2200, 503 hours (Soon to be 912 ULS)
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
just where is monument valley, Nevada?
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> > I suggest 16 & 17 May 2004 to be at Monument Valley (UT25).
>
> > John Williamson
> > Arlington, TX
>
> John W/All:
>
> How about 14 through 17 May 2004. That is Friday, 14 May
> through Monday 17 May 2004.
>
> How many days did we stay last time? Three?
>
> This is the same way last year's flight originated. Bet we
> can get a lot more folks involved this year.
>
> I like the idea of traveling around the area, rather than
> sitting in one spot. But I will miss the creature comforts
> of Gouldings, swimming pool, resturante, service station,
> grocerie store, air strip, et al.
>
> But the sense of adventure, flying to new and unknown places
> is calling. I'm ready to go. :-)
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
At 12:28 PM 11/25/2003, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>
>just where is monument valley, Nevada?
very southern edge of Utah/northern edge of Arizona, just west of the Four
Corners area.
2943de90.jpg
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| Subject: | Law Stuff 2si crash |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce n' Kathy" <n3nrr@erols.com>
sitting back!
Lawyers, doctors, congressmen and especially us, fellow citizens are the
problem,
There are 20 percent who do the work of 80 Percent, and always will be.
If the guy has a legitimate case fine, I have heard no details as to
cause of failure or crash. Parachute, radio, gas, Unskilled, etc.....
I don not understand why we are trying to treat the sympthoms not the
cause. Who is Sueing 2si and for what reason.
Is there someone out there knows anything about 2si and the actual
lawsuit?
Maybe we could all go there as witnesses and storm the court room and
explain the ultralight pilot version.
Ya fly, Ya might Die, anyone who buys an ultralight!
My instructors Teach Engine out)(Unpowered landings ONLY" But that won't
mean I wont have an accident.
Lets attack the problem! The Case that is going against 2si and putting
them out of business, Lets be constructive.
Being a newbie pilot, so Far all the crashes I have seen or heard of
show lack of skill or poor judgment. My biggest concern is the people
flying too low for contitions, and people who dont know anything about
engines or have any common sense. Most fixed wing accidents due to fuel
problems, and they do stall spins at low altitudes. Most trike
accidents caused by people who have never flown a trike but have flown
fixed wing.
Just my take!
Trike pilot
training in QS
and PPC
IF you reply Quoted" or Partial" Please use the "DNA"
--
Bruce n' Kathy
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| Subject: | Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
> Personally, I'm divided - I thoroughly enjoyed last years' Monument Valley
trip, and
> wouldn't at all mind doing it again. Any others feel like that ??
Big Lar, and other Kolbers -
I vote for doing the Monument Valley trip again in 2004.
Plenty of fantastic scenery to see nearby (Lake Powell, Canyon deChelly,
etc.)
And best of all (for me), I'll fly up in my own Kolb this time!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3 in
New Mexico
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
Would anyone care to share a set of their checklists for a Firestar II with
a 503 DCDI, electric start and oil injection?
Thanks,
You can email them to me if you like.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Well folks I'm happy to report that my 912UL is warm and tucked away in it's new
home here in MS. Got all kinda goodies with it! What a find. I love the internet.
Now to clear out some room to set the saw horses and get busy on those wings.
Paul Petty
Building King Kolbra/912UL
Miss. Dixie
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Like I said, I'm happy with MV. By the way, how do you reply to a message
and only "coyp" part of it instead of the whole thing?
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM
<Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
> > Personally, I'm divided - I thoroughly enjoyed last years' Monument
Valley
> trip, and
> > wouldn't at all mind doing it again. Any others feel like that ??
>
> Big Lar, and other Kolbers -
> I vote for doing the Monument Valley trip again in 2004.
> Plenty of fantastic scenery to see nearby (Lake Powell, Canyon deChelly,
> etc.)
> And best of all (for me), I'll fly up in my own Kolb this time!
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-3 in
> New Mexico
>
>
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| Subject: | filter inspection |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Just sitting here fixing to head to the shop thinking about my new engine and wondering
about a few thing's. First is filter cutting and inspection. Do you guy's
cut your filters and look for metal? Second, are there any expert's on the
list that have knowledge of engine oil's? The fellow I bought the 912 from ran
Valvoline dura blend oil for the 50 hrs or so it was in the Zenith. I'm a Pennzoil
man myself.... My experience in the automotive market of some 23 years
has proven to me that changing "brands" of engine oil does not "hurt" an engine.
Neither changing viscosity depending on the climate. The old wise tale of
"don't change brands or weight in my experience is false these days.That came
from the day's of engines running non-detergent oils for say 70 thousand miles
(and skipping oil changes) then switching to a detergent oil causing deposits
to cut lose and stopping up oil veins in the engine and resulting in some parts
not getting vital lubrication. However I am a believer in sticking to original
equipment filters and recommended weights from the manufacturer.
We have hashed out the filter deal so not trying to rekindle that argument.Some
aftermarket companies do make better filters. Some do meet or exceed the manufactures
specs. But, 23 years of selling oil filter's to the public has taught
me one thing. If you drive a Toyota you better use a OEM filter. Same goes for
Nissan. These Rotax engines are built by Germans right? Their some pretty smart
fellas! My new engine has a (sorry John H) Fram screwed on it. If it had been
a high hour engine I would had passed.
But the oil deal still has me thinking....
I have to get to work...... Have a ton of stuff to move..........
Paul Petty
Building King Kolbra/912UL
Miss. Dixie
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| Subject: | Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
May sounds good! Let me know what to bring.
I can bring a Mexican, a German, or Mexican , or German beer or......
Flying Dave Rains.
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck [SMTP:jhauck@elmore.rr.com]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I suggest 16 & 17 May 2004 to be at Monument Valley (UT25).
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
John W/All:
How about 14 through 17 May 2004. That is Friday, 14 May
through Monday 17 May 2004.
How many days did we stay last time? Three?
This is the same way last year's flight originated. Bet we
can get a lot more folks involved this year.
I like the idea of traveling around the area, rather than
sitting in one spot. But I will miss the creature comforts
of Gouldings, swimming pool, resturante, service station,
grocerie store, air strip, et al.
But the sense of adventure, flying to new and unknown places
is calling. I'm ready to go. :-)
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Sounds like we're already getting a good group together. What about the
possibility of staging at Page, AZ., and using it as a base for the
surrounding area ?? Many more options for the non-pilots, as well as a
change of scenery for all, as well as being able to re-visit the same
scenery. Dennis, I might even be able to join you as having my own plane
there this time. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> I suggest 16 & 17 May 2004 to be at Monument Valley (UT25).
>
> I have changed the subject so we can keep track of who wants to do what
and
> want to include everyone's information in the archive.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra: Jabiru 2200, 503 hours (Soon to be Rotax 912 ULS)
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
Count Uncle Craig in. we can get a helicopter to bring a grill for a pancake breakfast
one day too. No matter the date Milow Tim and I will be there with a least
one kold.
Uncle Craig
MKIIIex912uls
Arizoma
Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Hang in there Paul.... Homer told me at s&f one year when I was building..
to take the advertised build time and double it... and then double again and
you are getting close to what it takes a first time builder....
I know yours will be something special from what big Lar told me about
you... However there are a lot of rivets to be pulled...and its all fun...
Richard Harris
MK3 N912RH
Lewisville, Arkansas
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: building
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
> Kolbers,
> Just for giggles, I added up my hours so far and was shocked at the total.
Had the kit 79 days now and have worked 50 of those for a total of 80.7 hrs
and the net is a complete tail section less the fly wires. I bought some
pretty cool tools from Roger Kilby along with my engine to do the rigging.
Also hit a light snag in the L brackets. The 3/16" x 1/4" wont tighten down
all the way before they snap. Guess I will get some shorter ones. Built my
sawhorses yesterday and are getting ready to start the wings.
> Having a ball here in south Mississippi!
>
> Paul Petty
> Building Kolbra 012/912UL
>
> "Miss. Dixie"
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: filter inspection |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Paul, put Mobil one in that 912..it likes it.
c-ya
Richard Harris
MK3 N912RH
Lewisville, Arkansas
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: filter inspection
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
> Kolbers,
> Just sitting here fixing to head to the shop thinking about my new engine
and wondering about a few thing's. First is filter cutting and inspection.
Do you guy's cut your filters and look for metal? Second, are there any
expert's on the list that have knowledge of engine oil's? The fellow I
bought the 912 from ran Valvoline dura blend oil for the 50 hrs or so it was
in the Zenith. I'm a Pennzoil man myself.... My experience in the automotive
market of some 23 years has proven to me that changing "brands" of engine
oil does not "hurt" an engine. Neither changing viscosity depending on the
climate. The old wise tale of "don't change brands or weight in my
experience is false these days.That came from the day's of engines running
non-detergent oils for say 70 thousand miles (and skipping oil changes)
then switching to a detergent oil causing deposits to cut lose and stopping
up oil veins in the engine and resulting in some parts not getting vital
lubrication. However I am a be!
> liever in sticking to original equipment filters and recommended weights
from the manufacturer.
> We have hashed out the filter deal so not trying to rekindle that
argument.Some aftermarket companies do make better filters. Some do meet or
exceed the manufactures specs. But, 23 years of selling oil filter's to the
public has taught me one thing. If you drive a Toyota you better use a OEM
filter. Same goes for Nissan. These Rotax engines are built by Germans
right? Their some pretty smart fellas! My new engine has a (sorry John H)
Fram screwed on it. If it had been a high hour engine I would had passed.
> But the oil deal still has me thinking....
>
> I have to get to work...... Have a ton of stuff to move..........
>
> Paul Petty
> Building King Kolbra/912UL
> Miss. Dixie
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: filter inspection |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Paul, put Mobil one in that 912..it likes it.
>
> c-ya
>
> Richard Harris
Richard:
I used Mobil I 15W50 for both 912 and 912S. The last
hundred hours I have been using Shell Rotella T Full
Synthetic 5W40. Wal*Mart usually has it for less than $13 a
gal. Rotella has better numbers than Mobil I, especially
flash point.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: filter inspection |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris"
<rharris@magnolia-net.com>
>
> Paul, put Mobil one in that 912..it likes it.
>
> c-ya
>
> Richard Harris
> MK3 N912RH
> Lewisville, Arkansas
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Paul,
I think John H has said he uses Mobil One also. With all the hours he has on
his 912s and the fact that he reports pretty much zero wear, I think that
may be a no brainer.
Like you, I am also a Pennzoil beleiver and am sure their equivilent oil
would be a good choice, but why mess with success.
Dennis Rowe
2SI 690L powered Mk-3, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Law Stuff 2si crash |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce n' Kathy" <n3nrr@erols.com>
> , I have heard no details as to
> cause of failure or crash.
Engine quit, PILOT flew aircraft into the planet at a steep angle, severely
damaging both. (pilot & aircraft) "planet escaped with minor scrapes"
> I don not understand why we are trying to treat the sympthoms not the
> cause. Who is Sueing 2si and for what reason.
> Is there someone out there knows anything about 2si and the actual
> lawsuit?
2SI: Manufacture located in Beaufort,SC. Makers of several types of
military, industrial, and commercial internal combustion engines.
Lawsuit: Man builds an aircraft, man chooses a powerplant, man makes
extensive modifications to exhaust and other systems to fit engine into
aircraft, powerplant allegedly fails on one particular take - off, man
pilots unpowered aircraft into the ground at an angle that is beyond the
airframes ability to disipate his kinetic energy, man and aircraft
experience structural failure. Man waits nearly two years to file lawsuit,
aircraft and engine reported to be unavailable for inspection
> Maybe we could all go there as witnesses and storm the court room and
> explain the ultralight pilot version.
Maybe we should.
>
> Ya fly, Ya might Die, anyone who buys an ultralight!
No doubt, kind of like roller skates and bass boats.
>
> My instructors Teach Engine out)(Unpowered landings ONLY" But that won't
> mean I wont have an accident.
>
Life gives only one guarantee, we all will die.
> Lets attack the problem! The Case that is going against 2si and putting
> them out of business,
2SI is not going out of buisness, they will defend themselves and most
likely win this case. They are simply leaving our small market for greener
pastures with fewer green onions.
Lets be constructive.
Thats how this poor sap got paralyzed, he constructed an airplane.
>
> Being a newbie pilot, so Far all the crashes I have seen or heard of
> show lack of skill or poor judgment. My biggest concern is the people
> flying too low for contitions, and people who dont know anything about
> engines or have any common sense. Most fixed wing accidents due to fuel
> problems, and they do stall spins at low altitudes. Most trike
> accidents caused by people who have never flown a trike but have flown
> fixed wing.
> Just my take!
>
Pretty clear take on things the way I see it. But accidents can and do
happen even to very careful and intellegent folks, life is a dangerous
thing, more so for folks who choose not to live in fear of dying.
Denny Rowe
Mk-3, PA, 2SI powered
>
> Trike pilot
> training in QS
> and PPC
>
> IF you reply Quoted" or Partial" Please use the "DNA"
> --
> Bruce n' Kathy
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I hope it's not contagious.................?? :-) Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Count Uncle Craig in. we can get a helicopter to bring a grill for a
pancake breakfast one day too. No matter the date Milow Tim and I will be
there with a least one kold.
> Uncle Craig
> MKIIIex912uls
> Arizoma
> To: 'kolb-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
K guys but what about the filter cuting for inspection? do you do this?
do not archive
pp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> K guys but what about the filter cuting for inspection? do you do this?
> do not archive
> pp
Paul/All:
If I had some reason to believe there might be a problem,
I'd cut the filter.
Normally, I don't.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Lar
Are you suggesting something like static display.......
If you really are going to fly Vamoose. I might just have to fly my VW down
there to see that.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Sounds like we're already getting a good group together. What about the
> possibility of staging at Page, AZ., and using it as a base for the
> surrounding area ?? Many more options for the non-pilots, as well as a
> change of scenery for all, as well as being able to re-visit the same
> scenery. Dennis, I might even be able to join you as having my own plane
> there this time.
Do not Archive.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Paul,
Anytime I get ahold of an used engine....
Anytime We get a low time failure here for inspection....
Anytime I am in the feild and I am asked for an evaluation on a failure..or
a smoker...
Everytime I hotrod an Engine and change the oil and filter....
I cut the filter and use use a magnifying glass...and a magnet on the
element.
if I have to pull one apart...I use a paper towel and wipe the gunk out of
the crankcase where ever it has settled and then fold it up so as to hold
any material inside and wash it out with WD-40...gasoline...whatever...and
look over whatever is left.....Even if it was running fine....
this is the first and a very important step in an inspection for wear. If
you see steel.....then you know where to look for wear...if you see
alum....then you know where to look....if you find rubber.....then you know
where to look .....
You have no insturment on the panel that indicates premature wear
You have no better chance to avert an upcoming failure
You have no reason NOT to..(unless ya dont like gettin oil under your
fingernails)
I would NEVER even consider NOT doing this any time I'm inside an
engine....nor would anyone else who works in the building that I do.
The kid at the speedylube quickchange even knows to ask me "Do ya wanna look
at the filter this time"... in my company vehicle!
DO not archive.....just remember it
Don Gherardini
Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
800-626-7326
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Dave,
<<I can bring a Mexican, a German, or Mexican , or German beer
or......>>
Won't the Mexican, the German and the other Mexican drink all the German
beer? Afraid there won't be enough left for me.
If we do decide on a gypsy tour, the Prospector can take the place of
the support trucks.
Of course, it's not an issue since Big Lar will be driving his truck
(still).
Do Not Archive.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
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| Subject: | Re: filter inspection |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
But, 23 years of selling oil filter's to the public has taught me one
thing. If you drive a Toyota you better use a OEM filter. Same goes for
Nissan. These Rotax engines are built by Germans right? Their some pretty
smart fellas! My new engine has a (sorry John H) Fram screwed on it. If it
had been a high hour engine I would had passed.
> But the oil deal still has me thinking....
My girl friends brother owns an auto parts store. We tried to cross
reference a Bosh oil filter for a british import but the only cross
reference he had was for a Fram. He did not have a high opinion of them and
I would hate to damage an expensive car for the sake of spending an extra 5
or 10 bucks on a filter and I am a notorious tightwad. So now I am looking
for a proper bosh filter.
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| Subject: | 912 engine oil, filters and oil analysis |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
Hi Paul/ everyone,
I changed the subject line a little:
At Oshkosh I attended both Phil Lockwood's Rotax
engine classes, and he arranged for a Shell oil
chemist/engineer to address the group, and it was very
interesting and informative! I caught it on tape and
listened later on, several times to be sure I had it
right: Long story short, his message was, synthetic
oil is best for high temp. lubrication, however, if
you are running 100LL instead of mogas, then you are
faced with a problem dispersing the lead that builds
up in the oil. Synthetic oil is very bad at keeping
lead in solution, so it precipitates onto the insides
of the engine (oil passages etc.) and can cause many
well documented problems. The engineer believes
running TCP in the fuel will not help with this
problem of lead in the oil supply. TCP is great at
keeping the lead in solution in the combustion
chamber, but not effective enough to stop the problems
from developing in the oil supply of an engine on a
steady diet of 100LL (crankcase temps too low).
However, mineral based oils, while not as good in high
temp conditions, is very good at keeping lead in
solution. His recommendation: run a semi-synthetic
oil so you get the best of both oil types. In
addition, because the 912 series is structured very
much like a high performance motorcycle engine (common
oil supply for engine, gearbox, and clutch) the best
place to look for oils that meet all the requirements,
are racing motorcycle oils. Castrol makes a
semi-synthetic oil with all these qualities that is
called, of all things GPS! It is imported from Europe
by Castrol, and costs around $7 or $8 per quart. I
was already aware of the Castrol GPS oil, and when I
brought it up to the (Shell) engineer, he agreed that
would be the best oil he is aware of for the 912
series (also listed in Rotax SB on recommended oils).
He also mentioned Shell is putting out much effort to
blend up an oil specifically for the 912 series
engines, but it is awhile off. Another point the
engineer made is in addition to semi synthetic oil, he
said the next best way to deal with lead buildup is to
change the oil more often than the standard 100 hours,
something I understand many folk do.
Paul, if others are interested, are you able to get
the Castrol GPS through automotive channels for a more
reasonable price?
I see many on this list with much more experience
driving the 912 than I have, have had good service
using the automotive synthetics, so I offer this as
theoretical info. My formative years were spent
building and destroying high performance motorcycle
engines, and VW/Porsche engines, and everything the
oil engineer said fit with my past experiences. Make
your own assessment please.
Regarding the oil filters, IMHO cutting the filter
open every time gives valuable trend info: most
engines throw metal for awhile before failing. Also
it's a habit learned from the GA world :) I am also a
big fan of oil analysis. Over the internet, several
quality labs will send many sample jars, offering
quantity discounts so it can make sense to test the
oil, most every time, at oil change time....or at
least every 200 hours or so ;-)
So there is my 75 cents worth. Happy Thanksgiving
everyone!
-Jim
Jim Clayton
California
Mark-3X, Building
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty"
<ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Just sitting here fixing to head to the shop thinking
about my new engine and wondering about a few thing's.
First is filter cutting and inspection. Do you guy's
cut your filters and look for metal? Second, are there
any expert's on the list that have knowledge of engine
oil's? The fellow I bought the 912 from ran Valvoline
dura blend oil for the 50 hrs or so it was in the
Zenith. I'm a Pennzoil man myself....
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Oh, ye of little faith..................! ! ! (have I said that before
about this project ??) Gotta get ahold of that A&P guy tomorrow. He
promised (again) to have the gear legs ready for heat treating by last
Friday. Do not Archive. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
<NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
> Lar
>
> Are you suggesting something like static display.......
>
> If you really are going to fly Vamoose. I might just have to fly my VW
down
> there to see that.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> > Sounds like we're already getting a good group together. What about the
> > possibility of staging at Page, AZ., and using it as a base for the
> > surrounding area ?? Many more options for the non-pilots, as well as a
> > change of scenery for all, as well as being able to re-visit the same
> > scenery. Dennis, I might even be able to join you as having my own
plane
> > there this time.
>
> Do not Archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Too ! ! ! Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "kuffel" <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net>
>
> Dave,
>
> <<I can bring a Mexican, a German, or Mexican , or German beer
> or......>>
>
> Won't the Mexican, the German and the other Mexican drink all the German
> beer? Afraid there won't be enough left for me.
>
> If we do decide on a gypsy tour, the Prospector can take the place of
> the support trucks.
>
> Of course, it's not an issue since Big Lar will be driving his truck
> (still).
>
> Do Not Archive.
>
> Tom Kuffel
> Whitefish, MT
> Building Original FireStar
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Everything you don't want - left click, drag and highlight - then hit the
"delete" key.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 05:36 PM 11/25/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
><pelletier@cableone.net>
>
><snip>
> By the way, how do you reply to a message
>and only "copy" part of it instead of the whole thing?
>AzDave
>
>Do Not Archive
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