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1. 05:20 AM - Re: filter (James, Ken)
2. 06:38 AM - laser level (Paul Petty)
3. 07:22 AM - Re: Checklists? (Richard Pike)
4. 07:42 AM - Monument Valley (ghaley@wt.net)
5. 08:02 AM - reply to message (boyd young)
6. 08:20 AM - Re: Monument Valley (John Hauck)
7. 08:38 AM - oil (boyd young)
8. 10:51 AM - Re: 912 engine oil, filters and oil analysis (CaptainRon)
9. 11:05 AM - Re: filter (CaptainRon)
10. 11:52 AM - Re: 912 engine oil, filters and oil analysis (John Hauck)
11. 12:28 PM - filters (Paul Petty)
12. 12:54 PM - Re: 912 engine oil, filters and oil analysis (John Hauck)
13. 01:09 PM - Static port ideas (Timandjan@aol.com)
14. 01:58 PM - Re: Static port ideas (Victor Catalanotto)
15. 02:38 PM - Re: Static port ideas (Denny Rowe)
16. 03:20 PM - aileron question (Eugene Zimmerman)
17. 03:26 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
18. 04:18 PM - Re: Static port ideas (Duncan McBride)
19. 04:25 PM - SEND MONEY! (Duncan McBride)
20. 04:51 PM - Re: aileron question (bryan green)
21. 05:00 PM - Re: Static port ideas (bryan green)
22. 05:20 PM - Thanksgiving (bryan green)
23. 05:32 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (CRAIG M NELSON)
24. 05:38 PM - Re: Thanksgiving (Larry Bourne)
25. 05:54 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (John Hauck)
26. 05:57 PM - Starter Options (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
27. 06:07 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (Larry Cottrell)
28. 06:28 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (possums)
29. 06:39 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (possums)
30. 06:58 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (Larry Bourne)
31. 07:03 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (Larry Bourne)
32. 07:05 PM - Re: 912 engine oil, filters and oil analysis (Bill Vincent)
33. 07:06 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (John Hauck)
34. 07:06 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (Larry Bourne)
35. 07:12 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (John Hauck)
36. 07:18 PM - Re: 912 engine oil, filters and oil analysis (CaptainRon)
37. 07:21 PM - Re: 912 engine oil, filters and oil analysis (John Hauck)
38. 07:33 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (possums)
39. 07:52 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (WillUribe@aol.com)
40. 08:02 PM - Re:facility at page (CRAIG M NELSON)
41. 08:04 PM - Synthetic Oil and 100 LL Gas (Lawrence M. Rice)
42. 08:22 PM - MV 2004 (John Hauck)
43. 09:15 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (Larry Bourne)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Better than cutting the filter is to take a sample of oil and send it out to
a lab cost about 50-75 dollars and have it analyzed , this will tell you
EXACTLY what is wearing. Eye balling is a rookie mistake, having done
thousands of engine oil sampling ( I ran a Heavy Mech Motor pool )A good lab
result is the only way to see what a engine is doing.
Ken
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From: John Hauck [mailto:jhauck@elmore.rr.com]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: filter
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> K guys but what about the filter cuting for inspection? do you do this?
> do not archive
> pp
Paul/All:
If I had some reason to believe there might be a problem,
I'd cut the filter.
Normally, I don't.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
If any of you are in the beginning stages of building (like me) get yourself a
laser level. Coolest tool I have ran up on yet! Pop's bought this thing to help
in building a green house. And I have used it to level my saw horses. I can
see where this tool would come in handy in a wide variety of places. When set
up on a tripod, you can strike a level beam of red laser light anywhere from 0
degrees horizontal to 90 degrees vertical. After clearing out my work area last
night I played with the thing for a half an hour. One word of caution though,
don't let the beam strike you in the eye! Ask me how I know this.I will post
a few photos in photoshare.
Happy Thanksgiving
pp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
I have one for my MKIII with a 582, but maybe it will give you some ideas -
First of all, the checklist is printed off on the computer so I can tape it
over one side of the "Remove Before Flight/Caution!" tag that is attached
to the parachute pin. That way, when I start the preflight, I have to pull
the safety pin for the parachute to do the preflight, that saves me
forgetting to remove the pin. The list itself looks like this:
Preflight
pitot tubes
gas cap
snake check
oil tanks
aileron trim
Start/runup
altimeter set
seat belts
doors
flaps/trim
avionics/switches
instruments
mag check
Shut down
flaps/trim normal
all switches off
GPS off
The "snake check" part of the preflight is because I have the center
section covered with rubber snakes most of the year to keep Tweetie Bird
from building his house in my airplane. It would not be good if I started
up & forgot to remove them.
I don't list all the numerous details of my preflight walkaround such as
the nuts, bolts, pins, etc. because I do it the same way every time and the
eye and the mind naturally flows from one item to the next. So I just have
on the list a few mandatory items that can vary from one flight to the
next. You may want to do this differently.
On the other side of the tag, I have taped on a list of all the local radio
frequencies.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 05:42 PM 11/25/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
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>Would anyone care to share a set of their checklists for a Firestar II with
>a 503 DCDI, electric start and oil injection?
>
>Thanks,
>You can email them to me if you like.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ghaley@wt.net
OK that does it! Right after Thanksgiving I will start the
rehab of old "Haley's Comet" and go along with you guys.
Hopefully I can clean it up some and be able to keep up this
time.
What about SWRFI? It's being held May 13,14,and 15th, 2004.
If you planned this trip a little later I could do both.
But, either way, I plan to do the Monument Valley trip or
what ever the group plans to do. I enjoyed the last trip I
made with John Hauck, John Williamson, John Bickham and
Steve Green to Kitty Hawk/London KY and have been itching to
go again ever since.
Gary Haley, Houston, TX
1997 Mark III/912, N100GH
320 Hours
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
. By the way, how do you reply to a message
and only "coyp" part of it instead of the whole thing?
AzDave
from the outlook express inbox screen hit the "tools" button then choose "options"
then the file tab "send" about 1/2 way down the page is a line that says
" include message in reply" UN check it. then click "ok"
When you want to reply to a message you will need to "click and drag" the mouse
to hilight the area you want to quote in the reply. then you need to copy that
by hitting "edit" then "copy" (control C is a shortcut) now when you hit
reply there will be no message in the window. but the "to and subjuct " lines
will be filled out. you may have to change the subject line to match your
needs. now click the mouse in the message window and hit " edit" and "paste"
(control V is the shortcut) then type your message.
the other option is to reply as usual then click and drag to hilight the area you
dont want to quote and hit "edit" "cut" you may have to do this befor and
after the area you want to quote.
if you follow the first example and want to quote the entire message you can "click
and drag" the entire message OR hit "edit" then "select all" (control A
for shortcut) then "copy , reply and paste" as per above.
I hope this helps
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I enjoyed the last trip I made with John Hauck, John
> Williamson, John Bickham and Steve Green to Kitty
> Hawk/London KY and have been itching to go again ever
> since. Gary Haley, Houston, TX 1997 Mark III/912, N100GH
> 320 Hours
Gary/All:
Now, we got to hear from John B and Steven Green. :-)
Will be time to do some more formation flight training in
preparation for the Kolb Reunion 2004.
Looking forward to the Spring Kolb Flight. If it is half
what the 2003 flight was, it will be a winner.
Take care,
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Kolbers,
Just sitting here fixing to head to the shop thinking about my new engine and wondering
about a few thing's. First is filter cutting and inspection. Do you guy's
cut your filters and look for metal? Second, are there any expert's on the
list that have knowledge of engine oil's? The fellow I bought the 912 from ran
Valvoline dura blend oil for the 50 hrs or so it was in the Zenith. I'm a Pennzoil
man myself.... My experience in the automotive market of some 23 years
has proven to me that changing "brands" of engine oil does not "hurt" an engine.
Paul Petty
yes i cut my filters apart.... if i were to fine metal chips it would be time to
overhaul..... my experience in changing oil types is that some oils dont mix
well.. when changing do your best to drain every drop and change the filter
boyd
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| Subject: | 912 engine oil, filters and oil analysis |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
Good post.
For similar reasons I switched to semi synthetic a
couple of years ago. I used Mobil-1 exclusively in 3
cars from new all of which made it past the century
mark before were sold. However in my current vehicles
I have been using semi synthetic since new. If I
recall correctly, full synthetic will not stick to
bare metal without running off as well as mineral oil.
Mobil-1 left the aviation market because of just those
problems in the 80's. The cams on continental engines
would go dry enough to be ruined, in addition to the
lead absorption problems. They ended up spending a lot
of money OH many engines for the users of their
Av-mobil-1.
Anyway I had some personal experience with mobil-1 in
aviation many years ago, and based on it I would not
use a full synthetic in any 4 stroke aviation motor.
(and now not even in my automobiles )
However semi synthetic *will* give you the benefits of
both. In fact I see no reason why you cannot in a 4-qt
sump dump 2 qt of Mobil-1 and 2 qt of brand A good
quality mineral oil. Make your own compatible mixture,
at least you'd be certain you get the oils that you
think are the best.
As to opening oil filters to check for metal I always
do in airplanes. I also send my oil for analyses.
Between the visual inspection of the filter element,
and what the lab is reporting I know exactly how my
motor is doing. By the way from my own testing the
best oil for Lycomings (probably others too) is the
new Aeroshell 100 + (note the plus). I have been using
both Chevron and phillips x/c 20w-50w for years.
However the wear patterns with the aeroshell 100+ was
markedly better, than even the semi synthetic Aero
Shell, and the Phillips X/C oils. I am told that the
Chevron 20-50 oil is the same as the Phillips XC. Now
the Rotax 912 may be just a bit too slender for the
heavy rough and tumble single grade Aeroshell-100. I
would if I had a 912 go to mixture of Mobil-1 and a
good mineral oil on a 50/50 in summer and if winters
are really cold and I wanna fly then 70S-30m ratio.
We have the flexibility to do whatever we want with
the experimental sticker on the side.
=======================================
--- Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton
> <jspc78@yahoo.com>
>
Synthetic oil is very bad at keeping
> lead in solution, so it precipitates onto the
> insides
> of the engine (oil passages etc.) and can cause many
> well documented problems. The engineer believes
> running TCP in the fuel will not help with this
> problem of lead in the oil supply. TCP is great at
> keeping the lead in solution in the combustion
> chamber, but not effective enough to stop the
> problems
> from developing in the oil supply of an engine on a
> steady diet of 100LL (crankcase temps too low).
> However, mineral based oils, while not as good in
> high
> temp conditions, is very good at keeping lead in
> solution. His recommendation: run a semi-synthetic
> oil so you get the best of both oil types.
=====
Ron
Building M3X
Southern Arizona
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
Dude i hope that was a typo. :-)
I have been using labs for years and the cost is
between 15 and 20 bucks. I would suggest that you all
switch your lab.
If you want a good lab that does both trucks and
airplanes let me know.
do not archive.
=================================
--- "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken"
> <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
>
> Better than cutting the filter is to take a sample
> of oil and send it out to
> a lab cost about 50-75 dollars and have it analyzed
>
=====
Ron
Building M3X
Southern Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: 912 engine oil, filters and oil analysis |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Ron/All:
Today's technology is great. I have more than 275,000 miles
on my Dodge/Cummins. Change the oil on schedule at 6,000
mile intervals. Also the filter, a standard Fram. Well,
the next change will be NAPA Gold filter because of the good
buy I got on them. Didn't think about it at the time, but I
could have gotten some for my 912S at the same time. The
Cummins has been run exclusively on Shell Rotella T 15W40
organic oil.
> I used Mobil-1 exclusively in 3
> cars from new all of which made it past the century
> mark before were sold.
> However in my current vehicles
> I have been using semi synthetic since new. If I
> recall correctly, full synthetic will not stick to
> bare metal without running off as well as mineral oil.
I used Mobil I 15W50 in the 912 for 1135 hours with no
visible wear, engine or gear box.
Used Mobil I 15W50 in the 912S for about 500 hours. Had the
gear box apart at 400 and 500 hours. No visible wear to any
part of gear box.
Changed to Shell Rotella T Full Synthetic 5W40 for the 912S
at about 500 hours. Seems to be running great on it. Cost
was the contributing factor for changing from Mobil to
Rotella. I get the full synthetic Rotella for less than $13
from Wal*Mart.
The 912/912S are designed to run on auto fuel and auto oil,
unless they have changed recently. Erick Tucker, Rotax
since day one, recommended I run Alcor TCP in the 912S when
I am on cross country flights and a steady diet of 100LL. I
have done that with the 912S, but did not when running 100LL
in the 912. As far as I could tell, there was no lead
problem with the 912. When I am flying cross countries, I
am putting a lot of hours on the engine in a short period of
time. Engine does not rest more than a few hours. Oil is
changed at normal intervals on long cross countries, but
much frequently when the airplane is not flying much, like
now in the colder weather.
> However semi synthetic *will* give you the benefits of
> both. In fact I see no reason why you cannot in a 4-qt
> sump dump 2 qt of Mobil-1 and 2 qt of brand A good
> quality mineral oil. Make your own compatible mixture,
> at least you'd be certain you get the oils that you
> think are the best.
I am not a petroleum/lubrication chemist/scientist, but I,
personally, would not try your homemade mixture of organic
and synthetic oil. The primary reason I use full synthetic
oil is the high temps I operate the engine oil. Shell
Rotella T full synthetic has a higher flash point and other
numbers than Mobil I. To cut the synthetic in half with
organic would also reduce the ability of the mixture to
compensate for high engine oil temps.
> Now
> the Rotax 912 may be just a bit too slender for the
> heavy rough and tumble single grade Aeroshell-100. I
> would if I had a 912 go to mixture of Mobil-1 and a
> good mineral oil on a 50/50 in summer and if winters
> are really cold and I wanna fly then 70S-30m ratio.
Still do not agree with the paragraph above, but like you
say in the following paragraph, "we have the flexibility to
to whatever we want with the experimental sticker on the
side", even if it kills us. :-)
> We have the flexibility to do whatever we want with
> the experimental sticker on the side.
And yes, I still use those terrible Fram oil filters that
most folks say are worthless. However, no one has offered
to answer my question of many moons ago and provide some
hard evidence that Fram is as bad as you all make them out
to be.
While I am on an oil roll, Rotax recommends 4 stroke
motorcycle oil to help lubricate the gears in the reduction
drive of the 912/912S. Motorcycle people say use motorcycle
oil to lubricate the gears in the 4 stoke transmissions. I
am having good luck with my Suzuki DRZ400E 4 stroke thumper
and Mobil I. However, I switched to Shell Rotella Synthetic
on the Suzuki at the same time I switched on the 912S.
To each his own,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
For those who care to, here is a site on the filters I sell.
http://www.wixfilters.com/productinformation/gff_oilfilters.html
pp
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| Subject: | Re: 912 engine oil, filters and oil analysis |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Today's technology is great. I have more than 275,000 miles
> on my Dodge/Cummins.
Hi Gang:
Forgot to mention in my previous post, the 275,000+ miles
equates to approximately 4,500 hours with zero failures.
Not bad on dinosaur fat. :-)
john h
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| Subject: | Static port ideas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
I put my winter enclosure back on the Firestar2 this week, and since my
normal summer flying is with an open cockpit my ASI is set up with out a static
port, seems to be pretty accurate when checked with my GPS etc. but now with the
enclosure it's way off, any ideas out there how to add a static port to my
exhisting system simply? Would one of those aluminum static port heads from
aircraft spruce work just attchaed to the outside of the nose cone. A simple second
line vented there??
The heater I built last winter sure works great, it's a whole different
airplane with doors.
thanks
Tim
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| Subject: | Static port ideas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Victor Catalanotto" <Victor@bellanca.us>
Tim
This one works great. See attached pictures.
Victor Catalanotto
1972 BSV 17-30A
Web Site www.bellanca.us
N8281R
KGPM
Mansfield, TX
Victor@bellanca.us
Mobile 817-925-2532
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Timandjan@aol.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Static port ideas
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
I put my winter enclosure back on the Firestar2 this week, and since my
normal summer flying is with an open cockpit my ASI is set up with out a
static port, seems to be pretty accurate when checked with my GPS etc. but
now with the enclosure it's way off, any ideas out there how to add a static
port to my exhisting system simply? Would one of those aluminum static port
heads from aircraft spruce work just attchaed to the outside of the nose
cone. A simple second line vented there??
The heater I built last winter sure works great, it's a whole different
airplane with doors.
thanks
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Static port ideas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <Timandjan@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Static port ideas
Would one of those aluminum static port heads from
> aircraft spruce work just attchaed to the outside of the nose cone. A
simple second
> line vented there??
>
>
>>
> thanks
>
> Tim
>
> Tim,
I have the combo Pitot/Static port Aircraft Spruce sells on the bottom of my
Mk-3s nose cone and it works fine, airspeed seems right on the money across
the whole speed range.
Dennis Rowe
Mk-3, PA
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| Subject: | aileron question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
All:
I have a question about how are the kolb ailerons mount?
The aileron ribs have one full span tube and one shorter tube that
rivets to the full span tube. This creates the famous Homer bumps.
Now my question is, are the ailerons mounted to the wings with the Homer
bumps on the top or on the bottom? I am repairing a firestar but I do
not have the original plans. The one I am repairing has them on the top.
Is this correct?
EZ
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Guys,
Keep in mind that wherever we go, I'll be trailering in and will have
the motorhome, Dunno if Eve wants to go or not, that depends on when we get
a hard date set up. But we can certainly use my facilities for cooking,
etc. If Eve doesn't go, then somebody else gotta cook the p-cakes or
whatever cuz I don't cook. Microwaves and crock pots are the only thing I
can handle. (I even need written directions on how to make coffee.)
AzDave
Do Not Archive
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > Count Uncle Craig in. we can get a helicopter to bring a grill for a
> pancake breakfast one day too. No matter the date Milow Tim and I will be
> there with a least one kold.
> > Uncle Craig
> > MKIIIex912uls
> > Arizoma
> > To: 'kolb-list@matronics.com'
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static port ideas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
I experimented with several static locations. It seemed wherever the static
port was located where a significant obstruction was close downstream I
couldn't get a reasonable reading. I stopped after trying a port from
aircraft spruce that I installed in the bottom of the nose cone - it was PN
15165. Drilled one hole, tightened it down, slid a 1/4 ID tube on it and
hooked it up to the ASI, ALT, and VSI. Works ok. It's near the centerline,
a few inches from the end of the nose cone. I tried a convenient location
first, and haven't tried another so far.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Timandjan@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Static port ideas
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
>
> I put my winter enclosure back on the Firestar2 this week, and since my
> normal summer flying is with an open cockpit my ASI is set up with out a
static
> port, seems to be pretty accurate when checked with my GPS etc. but now
with the
> enclosure it's way off, any ideas out there how to add a static port to my
> exhisting system simply? Would one of those aluminum static port heads
from
> aircraft spruce work just attchaed to the outside of the nose cone. A
simple second
> line vented there??
>
>
> The heater I built last winter sure works great, it's a whole different
> airplane with doors.
>
> thanks
>
> Tim
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
Without going through all the reasonable arguments, JUST SEND MONEY! WHAT
ARE YOU, CRAZY? You belong to EAA, or AOPA, or USUA, or AARP, for crying
out loud, what do you get from them that is worth a tenth of what you get
here? Send in some money. Sign up for paypal, join the 21st century, and
send the man 20 bucks. At least. If you even scan the headers for
something remotely related to your stage of construction, send in at least
20 bucks. Jeez. Do it. Now.
Now.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Last minute...
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Terry Watson"
<terry@tcwatson.com>
>
>
> I just posted this on the RV list and I didn't want any Aeroelectric list
> members who do not subscribe to the RV list to get away without having to
> see it ...
>
> Last minute
>
> It seems that in years past there has been more mention and discussion of
> the annual contribution drive than this year. I have no Idea how Matt is
> doing this year but I wanted to remind some of you who might not have
gotten
> around to it yet just what we get out of his lists, or at least what I get
> out of them:
>
> With a few minutes at the keyboard you can get attention to your question
or
> problem by some real experts on the subject who somehow all seem to be
true
> gentlemen too. Over the years I have developed a deep respect for any
> comments or answers posted by Eustace Bowhay or Doug Rozendaal or Kevin
> Horton or Robert Nuckolls (Aeroelectric List) or Pat Hatch or Randy Levold
> or Sam Buchanon (smiley face here) or maybe a dozen others who always seem
> to have been there and done that, or maybe wrote the book about it or
taught
> the class in it or maintain a website on it. Sometimes it takes a long
time
> to really appreciate the depth of knowledge of these guys, individually
and
> collectively. They never tell you that they wrote the book; they just
give
> you a courteous and detailed answer to your question. After awhile you
begin
> to realize what an extraordinary place we are in history where we can get
> such detailed answers to our questions from experts literally around the
> world.
>
> Matt's lists make it possible. We need to make sure he keeps on doing it.
> Send him some money.
>
> Terry Watson
> 6th year on an RV-8A; wires everywhere
> Seattle
>
> P.S. Don't miss Doug Rozendaal's article on "Surviving Engine Out in IMC"
> in the December issue of IFR magazine, even if you don't fly IFR
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: aileron question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eugene Zimmerman" <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: aileron question
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
<eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>
>
> All:
>
> I checked my plans and plane the long tube is on the bottom with the Homer
bumps on the bottom of the trailing edge same for the elevators. Do not
archive.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
>> Now my question is, are the ailerons mounted to the wings with the Homer
> bumps on the top or on the bottom?>
> EZ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static port ideas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Mine is set up this way and it seems to be in line with my GPS but I do not
have a full enclosure.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
----- Original Message -----
From: <Timandjan@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Static port ideas
Would one of those aluminum static port heads from
> aircraft spruce work just attchaed to the outside of the nose cone. A
simple second
> line vented there??
>
>
> thanks
>
> Tim
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
We want to wish a happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Do not archive
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
GANG:
Page is a great idea for non flyers and give them a chance to see Lar's static
display. along with milow Tim's. and to see everyone's plane. If there was an
activity like that before I was flying and it was as accessible as page and as
close to the lake as it is, ravishing Sheila might have even considered going
along. I'm telling you lake Powel is awesome .What moor could you ask for?
Kolb's lake Powel and the kick off breakfast. I volunteer Milows to organize
a killer pancake breakfast to fly or drive 3000 miles for. I'm for 14 to 17.
Uncle Craig
MKIIIex912uls
Arizona
----- >
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> > Sounds like we're already getting a good group together. What about the
> > possibility of staging at Page, AZ., and using it as a base for the
> > surrounding area ?? Many more options for the non-pilots, as well as a
> > change of scenery for all, as well as being able to re-visit the same
> > scenery. Dennis, I might even be able to join you as having my own
plane
> > there this time.
>
> Do not Archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Thanksgiving |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Me 3..................have a good turkey day all. I'll think about you
while I work. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Thanksgiving
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
>
> We want to wish a happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Do not archive
> Bryan Green Elgin SC
> Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> GANG: Page is a great idea for non flyers and give them a
> chance to see Lar's static display. along with milow
> Tim's. and to see everyone's plane.
> Uncle Craig MKIIIex912uls Arizona
Craig/All:
What kind of facility do they have at Page that would
compare to the facility at Gouldings, Monument Valley?
We need an easily accessed airport within short walking
distance of a food source, camping facility, shower, fuel,
etc. Gouldings had all that.
Need a place where we can sit around, at the airplanes, tell
lies, and grade everyone's landings, takeoffs, and airmanship.
Was nice at Gouldings to have Larry's camper with awning and
chairs to sit in the shade in the desert.
I'm not saying go back to Gouldings, I'm saying we need a
base camp equally as nice and convenient as Gouldings.
Thanks for the time and your attention...............
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
Hey Guys,
I would like some feedback or opinions on electric start options for
a 582 w/C gear box. Which one is the best/worst, pros/cons, anything?
Thanks -- Earl
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
So far, the wife and I are planning to attend. I will trailer the Firestar,
not sure if I can keep up, but I have been known to have a good time by my
self before.
Larry,Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 08:54 PM 11/26/2003, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>What kind of facility do they have at Page that would
>compare to the facility at Gouldings, Monument Valley?
>
>Was nice at Gouldings to have Larry's camper with awning and
>chairs to sit in the shade in the desert.
>
>Thanks for the time and your attention...............
>
>john h
Will Larry bring pictures of his plane to show us. Do we have to look at them
to sit in his camper??
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 09:28 PM 11/26/2003, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> >Was nice at Gouldings to have Larry's camper with awning and
> >chairs to sit in the shade in the desert.
>
>Will Larry bring pictures of his plane to show us. Do we have to look at them
>to sit in his camper??
Sorry - I thought you were talking about my pal "biglar@gogittum.com".
Not Larry Cottrell - who actually has a plane that "flys" and some great CDs.
But I know - E' Tu Brutus!
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I dunno...............sounds to me like Lar's gettin' all the
static..........?? :-) I really do like the idea of Page, as I've said,
and it sounds better the more I think of it. The idea of traveling from
airport to airport is appealing, but I think the logistics of keeping a
dozen or more airplanes co-ordinated and supplied, as well as moving all the
non-flyers and keeping them entertained would be tremendous. Maybe the
hard-core long distance-ers could use Page as a starting or ending point,
and that way could have their cake and eat it too. Lot's of neat
destinations in that area, too, from slot canyons and Lake Powell, to Marble
Canyon and Monument Valley, not to mention Rainbow Bridge, and much more.
Food for thought. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
>
> GANG:
> Page is a great idea for non flyers and give them a chance to see Lar's
static display. along with milow Tim's. and to see everyone's plane. If
there was an activity like that before I was flying and it was as accessible
as page and as close to the lake as it is, ravishing Sheila might have even
considered going along. I'm telling you lake
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yah, and I'll bring the camper again, too. Vamoose has a trailer for a home
now, and can come along for the ride, tho' I surely hope it won't be a
static display. I'll see about doing some sniffing around that area, and
see what I can find that satisfies our needs. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> > GANG: Page is a great idea for non flyers and give them a
> > chance to see Lar's static display. along with milow
> > Tim's. and to see everyone's plane.
> > Uncle Craig MKIIIex912uls Arizona
>
> Craig/All:
>
> What kind of facility do they have at Page that would
> compare to the facility at Gouldings, Monument Valley?
>
> We need an easily accessed airport within short walking
> distance of a food source, camping facility, shower, fuel,
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| Subject: | Re: 912 engine oil, filters and oil analysis |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net>
John:
Since the earth is approximately 24,000 miles in circumference I figure you
have driven around the earth approximately 11 times !
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Quinnesec, Upper Peninsula of Michigan
Do Not Archive
John Hauck wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> > Today's technology is great. I have more than 275,000 miles
> > on my Dodge/Cummins.
>
> Hi Gang:
>
> Forgot to mention in my previous post, the 275,000+ miles
> equates to approximately 4,500 hours with zero failures.
> Not bad on dinosaur fat. :-)
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Will Larry bring pictures of his plane to show us. Do we
> have to look at them to sit in his camper??
Possum/All:
Well......he did last year.
Well.......you'll have to ask him if he is going to bring
pictures this year. If he does, you will have to look at
them to sit under the awning.
It's worth it though. Sun gets pretty hot out there in the
desert.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
And THIS is a buddy. (???) Glad I don't have any
enemies...................! ! ! Do I ?? Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> At 09:28 PM 11/26/2003, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
> >
> > >Was nice at Gouldings to have Larry's camper with awning and
> > >chairs to sit in the shade in the desert.
> >
> >Will Larry bring pictures of his plane to show us. Do we have to look at
them
> >to sit in his camper??
>
> Sorry - I thought you were talking about my pal "biglar@gogittum.com".
> Not Larry Cottrell - who actually has a plane that "flys" and some great
CDs.
> But I know - E' Tu Brutus!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I really do like the idea
> of Page, as I've said, and it sounds better the more I
> think of it.
> much more. Food for thought. Lar.
Larry/Gang:
The question is: Can we be as comfortable at Page Airport,
or some airport in the general vicinity of the town of Page,
as we were at Gouldings? You can, I am sure, in your slide
out camper. But us travelers, by air, from afar, have many
needs that need to be taken into consideration. The most
important, of which, is comfort, convenience, then survival
and all the other stuff................
john h
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| Subject: | Re: 912 engine oil, filters and oil analysis |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
In regards to my home made brew. :-)
I kinda like it I was mixing Mobil-1 with regular
$1.20 mineral oil in my old Suburban, it run just fine
on it. Today at Walmart I figured out that I best
stick with my usual Syntec Blend oil as when I did the
math it turns out that Syntec is actually less
expensive per qt than if I made my own concoction. On
the other side of the coin I would know that at least
50% of the blend is synthetic where with my usual
Syntec I really have no idea what the ratios are.
==========================
>
> I am not a petroleum/lubrication chemist/scientist,
> but I,
> personally, would not try your homemade mixture of
> organic
> and synthetic oil. The primary reason I use full
> synthetic
> oil is the high temps I operate the engine oil.
> Shell
> Rotella T full synthetic has a higher flash point
> and other
> numbers than Mobil I. To cut the synthetic in half
> with
> organic would also reduce the ability of the mixture
> to
> compensate for high engine oil temps.
>
> > Now
> > the Rotax 912 may be just a bit too slender for
> the
> > heavy rough and tumble single grade Aeroshell-100.
> I
> > would if I had a 912 go to mixture of Mobil-1 and
> a
> > good mineral oil on a 50/50 in summer and if
> winters
> > are really cold and I wanna fly then 70S-30m
> ratio.
>
> Still do not agree with the paragraph above, but
> like you
> say in the following paragraph, "we have the
> flexibility to
> to whatever we want with the experimental sticker on
> the
> side", even if it kills us. :-)
>
> > We have the flexibility to do whatever we want
> with
> > the experimental sticker on the side.
>
> And yes, I still use those terrible Fram oil filters
> that
> most folks say are worthless. However, no one has
> offered
> to answer my question of many moons ago and provide
> some
> hard evidence that Fram is as bad as you all make
> them out
> to be.
==================================
You would never hear me say anything negative about
Fram as I use it myself. I started using Fram
exclusively after Consumer reports back 10 years ago
or more actually went and researched most all popular
oil filters. Fram came up number one back then, they
have improved their filters since then even more. So
if anyone says to you their filter is better ask them
how small a particle it traps on the first oil pass.
Mobile came out with a new Filter a couple of years
ago (guess what they called it) which has also a real
good micron trapping capability. But in my opinion
when you get to below 3 or 4 microns I don't think it
really makes any difference for longevity. Simply the
stuff is too small to cause any meaningful damage.
If you are happy with full synthetic then stay with
it. If I were you though I would not worry about the
flash point of the oil. If your oil (mineral) has
reached its flash point in your engine somehow, you
have bigger problems to worry about than the oil
breaking down.
======================================
======================================
> While I am on an oil roll, Rotax recommends 4 stroke
>
> motorcycle oil to help lubricate the gears in the
> reduction
> drive of the 912/912S. Motorcycle people say use
> motorcycle
> oil to lubricate the gears in the 4 stoke
> transmissions. I
> am having good luck with my Suzuki DRZ400E 4 stroke
> thumper
> and Mobil I. However, I switched to Shell Rotella
> Synthetic
> on the Suzuki at the same time I switched on the
> 912S.
>
> To each his own,
>
> john h
>
>
=====
Ron
Building M3X
Southern Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: 912 engine oil, filters and oil analysis |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Since the earth is approximately 24,000 miles in
> circumference I figure you have driven around the earth
> approximately 11 times !
>
> Bill Vincent
Hi Bill/All:
Really hadn't thought of it that way. That makes it seem
like a longgggggggggggg way.
The only maintenance, other than oil and filter changes,
valve adjustments at 50,000 mile intervals (that's really a
check because they rarely need any adjustment), and air
filter changes, was replacement of the water pump at 175,000
miles when the seal went back because of normal anti freeze.
When to the long life no silicate, no phosphate antifreeze
and had no more problems.
I do run Marvel Mystery Oil through her now and then, as I
do all my other stuff. Don't know if it works, but it
smells good.
With a smaller hot end on the turbo, big Lucas injectors,
and the fuel screw on the injector pump screwed all the way
in full rich, plus a new high performance exhaust manifold
and straight 3.5 inch exhaust, she pumps 38 psi boost. Only
problem is keeping my eye on the EGT when she's working
hard. EGT redline is 1300F. Doesn't take long to get to
1300 at those kind of power settings. This 160 hp Cummins,
when it rolled off the show room floor in 1992, is now
putting out about 300 hp. She's a beast pulling, and a
dragster when solo.
Sorry about the long spout on one of my favorite subjects,
diesel engines.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 10:06 PM 11/26/2003, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>And THIS is a buddy. (???) Glad I don't have any
>enemies...................! ! ! Do I ?? Do not Archive.
Gee Larry, you are an inspiration to us all. When I landed/crashed my
Firestar into Lake Allatoona in June of 1997, I thought about being done
with this whole flying thing =96 15 years of ultralighting down the drain.. I
didn't think I had another plane in me. Then I accidentally found the
matroniics link and I saw =93Biglar=94 had been working on his plane for months
& months - and even though he didn't seem to know what the hell he was
doing- he seemed never to give up, never to stop asking questions, never to
take no for an answer. So I after six months of feeling sorry for myself -
I thought, well, even though I only have the =93nosecone=94, the =93stick=94 and
some hardware left, maybe I can make a go of it. I could rebuild the cage
like I wanted =96 4 inches wider, throttle where I wanted it, removable
windshield, comfortable seat, air scoops, bigger engine =96 you know =96 like
=93Larry=94. And 18 months/600 hours later =96 it was done!!! Larry, you=92re my
hero.
http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Greetings.
I have flow into Page in my FireStar. I think Page has too many commuter
airlines flying in and out for my comfort. My vote is for Monument Valley.
Regards,
Will Uribe
do not archive
In a message dated 11/26/2003 8:12:54 PM Mountain Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
The question is: Can we be as comfortable at Page Airport,
or some airport in the general vicinity of the town of Page,
as we were at Gouldings? You can, I am sure, in your slide
out camper. But us travelers, by air, from afar, have many
needs that need to be taken into consideration. The most
important, of which, is comfort, convenience, then survival
and all the other stuff................
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> GANG: Page is a great idea for non flyers and give them
What kind of facility do they have at Page that would
compare to the facility at Gouldings, Monument Valley?
John &Gang
page has an air strip I need to check on what's there I know fuel is not a problem.
and it's close to town and the lake. I think cap. Ron might be able to tell
us about the airport. I'm sure there are plenty a Kolb builder that would be
willing to give ground support I know of two builders that would come. and I'm
sure there is plenty of squat room to spread out tell lies and have lots of
fun. there just isn't much for greenery there. but the rock formations and the
lake!!!!!!
uncle Craig
MKIIIex912uls
Arizona
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Lawrence M. Rice" <tailwind5@juno.com>
Remember the Philips full synthetic aviation oil that was teken off the
market some years ago? It was because it did not handle lead deposits
well, especially in engines that sat a lot.
Larry the MicroMong guy
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Gang:
The beauty of Gouldings at Monument Valley was the
convenience for us fly in guys. Absolutely every thing we
needed to make us comfortable and take care of our needs and
the needs of the airplanes.
We had laundromat, restaurant, 93 octane fuel at the service
station across the street from the airstrip, a grocery
store, nice camp ground, plenty area and relaxed atmosphere
to hang out with the airplanes during the day, even had a
medical facility there.
I'm not trying to push Gouldings and MV on you guys, but
would like to have a base camp equally as nice and
convenient as Gouldings was.
Does not take much training to be miserable.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Awwwww, shucks. Now it's gettin' awful thick and deep. :-)
..............but one thing you said has caused me no end of grief. What
does "no" mean ?? My boss and his #2 will tell you I'm the stub-Bourne-est,
bull-headed-est character (SOB) they've ever met. Causes pretty serious
sparks from time to time. Way back in my 'teens, my girl-friends
despaired of ever teaching me that word, too. What Fun ! ! ! You my
bud, Possum. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> At 10:06 PM 11/26/2003, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> >And THIS is a buddy. (???) Glad I don't have any
> >enemies...................! ! ! Do I ?? Do not Archive.
> Gee Larry, you are an inspiration to us all. When I landed/crashed my
> Firestar into Lake Allatoona in June of 1997, I thought about being done
> with this whole flying thing =96 15 years of ultralighting down the
drain.. I
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