---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/28/03: 42 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:26 AM - Re: HKS engine (Airgriff2@aol.com) 2. 06:24 AM - Re: HKS engine (Kirk Smith) 3. 06:44 AM - Oil Injection Ratio? (Earl & Mim Zimmerman) 4. 06:49 AM - HKS (Bill Vincent) 5. 07:25 AM - Re: filter (Thom Riddle) 6. 07:29 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (ALLENB007@aol.com) 7. 07:34 AM - Re: HKS (Kirk Smith) 8. 08:21 AM - Re: Homers Bumps (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 9. 08:34 AM - Re: Oil Injection Ratio? (John Hauck) 10. 08:41 AM - Re: tip's (jtripp@elmore.rr.com) 11. 08:50 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 (John Hauck) 12. 08:54 AM - Re: tip's (John Hauck) 13. 09:38 AM - Re: tip's (Dale Sellers) 14. 10:07 AM - battery (boyd young) 15. 10:07 AM - monument valley 2004 (boyd young) 16. 10:35 AM - Re: monument valley 2004 (John Hauck) 17. 10:47 AM - Re: tip's (Don Gherardini) 18. 11:16 AM - What Listers Are Saying III (Matt Dralle) 19. 11:27 AM - Re: tip's (Don Gherardini) 20. 11:34 AM - What Listers Are Saying III (Matt Dralle) 21. 12:08 PM - Re: HKS (Olenik Aviation) 22. 12:32 PM - Transparent Fuel Tubing (Richard Pike) 23. 01:15 PM - Re: tip's - Why drip 3/16" rivets (jerb) 24. 01:19 PM - Re: Transparent Fuel Tubing (John Hauck) 25. 01:32 PM - Re: tip's - Why drip 3/16" rivets (Paul Petty) 26. 01:34 PM - Re: tip's (jtripp@elmore.rr.com) 27. 01:57 PM - Re: tip's - Why drip 3/16" rivets (jtripp@elmore.rr.com) 28. 01:59 PM - Re: tip's (John Hauck) 29. 02:39 PM - Re: HKS engine (Joe Allman) 30. 02:45 PM - Re: Oil Injection Ratio? (SGreenpg@aol.com) 31. 02:53 PM - Re: tip's - Why drip 3/16" rivets (Guy Morgan) 32. 03:34 PM - Re: Transparent Fuel Tubing (G. T. Alexander, Jr.) 33. 03:51 PM - Now that's a quote. (Scott Olendorf) 34. 04:30 PM - Re: tip's - Why drip 3/16" rivets/CherryMax (Bob Noyer) 35. 05:17 PM - Re: monument valley 2004 (Larry Bourne) 36. 05:33 PM - Re: Now that's a quote. (Larry Bourne) 37. 05:50 PM - Re: SEND MONEY! - List Fund Raising (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com) 38. 05:54 PM - Visitor (Larry Bourne) 39. 06:37 PM - Re: tip's - Why drip 3/16" rivets (CaptainRon) 40. 06:37 PM - Re: star's tip's (CRAIG M NELSON) 41. 08:34 PM - 25% COST SAVINGS - MIL-T-4345B Electronic Lacing Cord (Garey Wittich) 42. 09:17 PM - Re: tip's - Why dip 3/16" rivets (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:56 AM PST US From: Airgriff2@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com Kirk and list, on our field there are 2 Flight Stars. One-582 and one-hks. I have flown them both. These numbers are not exact but: With 2 on board, the Rotax power had us off in about 150 ft. and climbing out at 800 fpm. The HKS had us off in 200 ft. and climbing out at 5-600 fpm.. Still producing it's hp at the high rpm's, the HKS was probably not much quieter but did sound nice and smooth. Didn't quite have the snap of the 582 but the HKS did a fine job. When looking at things such as cost, fuel burn?, not mixing and burning oil, dependability, etc., The HKS may be worth looking into? I enjoyed the Flight Star flights with either one, keeping in mind that these planes are built very light. http://www.ultralightflyer.com/hks/ Here is a link to more info on the HKS Fly Safe Bob Griffin MK3 618 powered upstate NY ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:36 AM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" Bob/ List A good comparison. I wonder how much weight difference there is between the Flightstar and a Mark 3? Those are pretty good figures. Not a 912 but not bad. Do you know how many hours are on HKS engine and if the guy has any problems with it? Thanks! Kirk " there are 2 Flight Stars. One-582 and one-hks. I > have flown them both. These numbers are not exact but: With 2 on board, the > Rotax power had us off in about 150 ft. and climbing out at 800 fpm. The HKS > had us off in 200 ft. and climbing out at 5-600 fpm.." ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:31 AM PST US From: Earl & Mim Zimmerman Subject: Kolb-List: Oil Injection Ratio? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman Hey Guys, I have a lot of 2 stroke experience, but not with oil injection. I was wondering what the actual average fuel/oil ratio is? I thought that I read somewhere in the manual that it could range from 50-70:1. My fuel capacity will be 18 gal. and the current oil reservoir is 44 oz. Are most of you 2 strokers using the big 2.5 liter rotax oil tank? -- Earl ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:51 AM PST US From: Bill Vincent Subject: Kolb-List: HKS --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent Bob Do they use the HKS as a pusher ? Will it work on the back of a firestar II ? Bill Vincent Do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:42 AM PST US From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: filter --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" Cutting the filter is an essential element in detecting wear as early as possible. Don is absolutely correct, with the possible exception of using a magnifying glass. All 4-stroke engines wear some and generate some very small particles of metal between oil changes, and the normal amount can be seen with the naked eye. If you see chunks larger than specks or a lot more than normal then it is time to look for where it is coming from. But tiny speck size (visible with the naked eye) bits of metal are absolutely normal. You will only know "how much is normal" after you've cut and examined a few filters when there is no problem. Oil analysis is an okay thing to do if you want but not nearly as good or useful as cutting and examining the filter. Oil analysis won't tell you there is a big chunk of aluminum sitting at the bottom of the sump or in the screen or in the filter. Oil analysis is good for establishing a baseline metal content in your oil. Once you have a base line future oil analyses might enable you to spot changes. I used to do oil analysis on every oil change on our Cherokee but stopped doing it because I kept getting inconsistent reports from the same lab which led me to believe the results had limited value. Cutting and examining the filter, though is a must at every oil change. Thom Riddle FAA Mechanic Certificate #2227907 Buffalo, NY early FS 377 , for fun Cherokee 140, for going places ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:50 AM PST US From: ALLENB007@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004 --> Kolb-List message posted by: ALLENB007@aol.com Please remove me from your list ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:25 AM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > > Do they use the HKS as a pusher ? I know they use them on trikes.....Kirk ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:36 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Homers Bumps --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Paul I'm not a structural engineer but I would be very careful eliminating the bumps from the leading edges. There can be allot of torque on that connection to the control surfaces. It would seem that if it was strong enough they would suggest it as a option like they do on the trailing edge. Set up a test and compare the strengths of both joints on a section of a control surface and measure the maximum pressure before failure. You may also want to consider the fatigue resistance of your design change. My $.02 cents worth Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Homers Bumps > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Kolbers, > Last night while preparing to start wing construction a thought hit me. (scary concept I know) However here it goes.... During my control surface construction I chose the "radius" method to eliminate the bumps on the trailing edges. Why not use small square gussets on the leading edges instead of the way the plans call for. I made up one out of scrap and used four rivets. Two on the leading edge and two on the rib. Looks real nice! But is it as strong? Looks stronger. More work but hey, whole lot cleaner looking. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:43 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oil Injection Ratio? --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > capacity will be 18 gal. and the current oil reservoir is 44 oz. Are > most of you 2 strokers using the big 2.5 liter rotax oil tank? -- Earl Earl/All: Figuring at a straight 50 to 1, 44 oz is good for 17.2 gal. That seems to work out just a tad on the shy side, but if you figure in warmup, taxi, and descent time, it would probably be just about right. I would no hesitate to fly in that configuration. john h ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:04 AM PST US From: jtripp@elmore.rr.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's --> Kolb-List message posted by: jtripp@elmore.rr.com Speaking of tips, is there an easy way to mask things like stars for painting? Will freezer paper work? I'm using the good poly tape but there's still some bleeding under the tape where 2 pieces overlap. James Tripp FSII DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Petty Subject: Kolb-List: tip's > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Kolbers, > Perhaps it's just the Kolbra plans, but after a day of building > and talking via phone line to others, maybe we could create a > thread about building tip's. One where future builder's could > search the archives buy typing "Tip's" if you will. > > Not knocking Kolb, however, there is a lot of things that they > left unmentioned........ Things like "dip them 3/16" rivets in oil > before snapping, or like "Hey that tail post may be a really tight > fit and it may require machining" It's the little thing's that I > have to ask as a first time builder that would have come in handy > had I had this wonderful source of information.... > Tip's like gluing the saw horses to the floor. The Laser Level was > a sweet find... > > This list has provided me with great info and the archives have > been helpful but building "tip's" from factory folks and you guy's > are the only thing that has kept me from bailing out and going "GA" > > ben a long day........... > > > Paul Petty > Building Ms. Dixie > Kolbra/912UL/Warp driven > > > do not archive > ps.. thanks Matt > > > _- > _-> _- > _- > _- > _- > ======================================================================== > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:47 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004 --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck ALLENB007/All: > Please remove me from your list You are officially removed from the hauck's holler kolb builders and breakers list, but you need to go down to the bottom of this message and click on the url that says something about subscribe/unsubscribe and follow the directions to get off the Kolb Builders List. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:53 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Speaking of tips, is there an easy way to mask things like stars for painting? Will freezer paper work? I'm using the good poly tape but there's still some bleeding under the tape where 2 pieces overlap. > > James Tripp James/All: Use your finger nail to crease the polytape down where it intersects another piece of tape. This will help prevent bleeding under. john h ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:34 AM PST US From: "Dale Sellers" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" Try blue painter's tape available at yourlocal hwd or paint store. I've never had bleed under. DALE SELLERS Georgia Ultra Star ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > > > Speaking of tips, is there an easy way to mask things like stars for painting? Will freezer paper work? I'm using the good poly tape but there's still some bleeding under the tape where 2 pieces overlap. > > > > James Tripp > > > James/All: > > Use your finger nail to crease the polytape down where it > intersects another piece of tape. This will help prevent > bleeding under. > > john h > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:16 AM PST US From: "boyd young" Subject: Kolb-List: battery --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" FYI stoped in at harbor frt today and they have a jumpstart model 08884 for sale for 39.99.... it has a 18 amp hour batery.. sealed lead acid no maintaince.... the sale price is about 1/2 price of just a battery..... it has a volt meter cigerate lighter adpter, aircompressor, and emergency light. boyd do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:16 AM PST US From: "boyd young" Subject: Kolb-List: monument valley 2004 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" tho' I suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurely hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooope it woooooooooooon't beeeeeeeeeeeeeee a staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatic displaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. laaaaaaaaaaaaaaar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sounds to me that you are setting yourself up for just that........ I want you to say "I WILL FLY THERE IN VAMOOSE! THE TRUCK STAYES HOME THIS YEAR!!!!!! " say it over and over till you are convinced. boyd do not archive ps Well.......you'll have to ask him if he is going to bring pictures this year. If he does, you will have to look at them to sit under the awning. It's worth it though. Sun gets pretty hot out there in the desert. john h john he IS going to fly this year...... we wont let him off. we WILL have to sit under his wing to get out of the sun. by ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:55 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: monument valley 2004 --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > sounds to me that you are setting yourself up for just > that........ I want you to say "I WILL FLY THERE IN > VAMOOSE! THE TRUCK STAYES HOME THIS YEAR!!!!!! " > boyd Boyd/All: Do not think Big Lar will leave home without his queen size bed and AC. IIRC he once or twice told me he does not like to sleep on the ground. Guess that means he is going to trailer the airplane instead of fly it. We shall see, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:08 AM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" James, Depending on what paint you use, and how much the backround color coats have filled the weave. If the weave is still very visable..bleeding will be more likely than if it is filled to the point where it cant be seen. Also a very good precaution is to shoot a coat of the backround color after you mask the object. For instance..IF you are doing...say..a white star on a blue backround, mask the star , then shoot a coat of blue along the edge of your tape. If it is going to bleed, you wont see it...this effectively seals the edge of the tape better..then after thats is dry...shoot the white for the star over it. If it is a stripe...the same method will apply. using poly-tone with extra reducer and retarder to get a better gloss will also enhance the paints bleeding under the tape edges. I think its the slower drying maybe..or that its just thinner in viscosity maybe...but it bleeds easier, so be careful here. I also have found that vinyl pinstriping tape for a cleaner edge works better than the "Blue" or "Purple" painters tape (Poly-eethelene sumpthin or other stuff)...but that blue is alot better than regular white of beige paper masking tape. After many struggles with bleeding while painting the "FlagFly"...I went to decalzone.com and ordered vinyl stars and found it alot better..cheaper...easier...and prettier than masking them. I used the blue 3-M vinyl pinstripe tape for the edges of all the stripes, as it also lays a curve better, seals better, and removes better than any painters tape you can find. Then use the blue painters tape over the pinstripe tape to widen and fill Plus shot a coat of base color over every single edge.I got really nice clean edges then..(finally) I think I must have had about 4700 feet of "edges" in my paint job...and I didnt get it right the first time. No amount of extra steps to make sure you have a good tape edge seal is too much compared to rubbing off an entire paint job on a control surface or a stabilizer with a case of paper towels and a gallon of MEK Thinner. I have a few pics in the painting section of my website... Don Gherardini FireFly 098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:39 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: What Listers Are Saying III --> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Wow, Wednesday was a great day with lots of Listers getting online and making their contributions!! Thanks to a number of you that jumped up to carry the flag and rally support for the cause! Your efforts are much appreciated and best of all - very effective! Normally I post two "What Lister's Are Saying" messages during the Fund Raiser, but this year, so many people have been expressing their pleasure and satisfaction with the Lists that I have more than enough to post a third WLAS! Guys, I really appreciate your nice comments. It warms my heart to hear how much the Lists mean to you and how much you enjoy them. Your feedback and support make it all worth it! 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I can't imagine building my plane without the list. Clay S. I look forward to reading the List daily. William C. ...great builder support... Clay K. [There is] a wealth of information on the List. Ford F. It's Black Friday -- time to go shopping. This was my first stop. Curtis H. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:28 AM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" James...my son just reminded me that we also used a small paint brush (pinstripe brush) and dobbed the corners where tapes overlapped with base color also to help seal those gaps too! Don Gherardini FireFly 098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:25 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: What Listers Are Saying III --> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:13 PM PST US From: "Olenik Aviation" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: HKS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" You bet, the HKS has been used on the Summit PPC quite a bit. Go to www.summitppc.com to see some pictures of that set up. 30 MPH pusher cools just fine. Tom Olenik Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation. Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell...... DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vincent Subject: Kolb-List: HKS --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent Bob Do they use the HKS as a pusher ? Will it work on the back of a firestar II ? Bill Vincent Do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:30 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Transparent Fuel Tubing --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Can anyone recommend any 1/4" and 5/16" fuel line tubing that does not discolor? I use see-through tubing as part of my fuel system to see the fuel level when it gets down to the last 2.5 gallons, and every year I replace it because it turns dark and hard to see through. If anyone knows of any that stays transparent, who did you buy it from, and what do I ask for? Thanks Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:14 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's - Why drip 3/16" rivets --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb What is the reason for and benefit to dipping the 3/16" rivets in oil? jerb snip... > Things like "dip them 3/16" rivets in oil before snapping ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:00 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Transparent Fuel Tubing --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > If anyone knows of any that stays transparent, who did you buy it from, and > what do I ask for? > > Thanks > Richard Pike Richard/All: I use Tygon. Get from Acft Spruce. It will stain a little, but last many years. I use it for my fuel sight gauge. john h ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:48 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's - Why drip 3/16" rivets --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" I had and still have a problem with one of my L brackets on the fuselage tube. The rivets snap before the tighten down. Travis at TNK told me that ray dips his in oil and they would pull down all the way. Tried it didn't work..... pp ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerb" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's - Why drip 3/16" rivets > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > > What is the reason for and benefit to dipping the 3/16" rivets in oil? > jerb > > snip... > > Things like "dip them 3/16" rivets in oil before snapping > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:07 PM PST US From: jtripp@elmore.rr.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's --> Kolb-List message posted by: jtripp@elmore.rr.com Listera, Thanks for all the great painting tips. I'm sure I'll have better luck the next time I try it. James Tripp FS II DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Gherardini Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" eleven.net> > James, > Depending on what paint you use, and how much the backround color > coats have > filled the weave. If the weave is still very visable..bleeding > will be more > likely than if it is filled to the point where it cant be seen. > Also a very good precaution is to shoot a coat of the backround > color after > you mask the object. > > _- > _-> _- > _- > _- > _- > ======================================================================== > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:32 PM PST US From: jtripp@elmore.rr.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's - Why drip 3/16" rivets --> Kolb-List message posted by: jtripp@elmore.rr.com Paul, My 3/16" rivets did the same thing so I left them that way. They seem pretty secure so I figured they were seated good enough. James Tripp FS II ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Petty Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's - Why drip 3/16" rivets > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > I had and still have a problem with one of my L brackets on the > fuselagetube. The rivets snap before the tighten down. Travis at > TNK told me that > ray dips his in oil and they would pull down all the way. > Tried it didn't work..... > > > > > _- > _-> _- > _- > _- > _- > ======================================================================== > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:24 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Listera, Thanks for all the great painting tips. I'm sure > I'll have better luck the next time I try it. > > James Tripp FS II James/Gang: No matter how many times we paint airplanes, we still have screwups. Some major, and some minor. I can usually wait until the final coat is shot, then without thinking, after the tape and masking paper is removed. Raise an aileron until it bottoms out on the trailing edge of the wing, permanently scarring the almost perfect paint job. Another time I was concerned, after I had finished shooting and pulling masking, took the tape measure to make sure I had the right dimensions on the wing sunburst, accidentally let the tape get into the "green" aerothane. Oops! Screwed up again. The best feeling in the world, bar none, is when the last cup of paint is shot, the masking is removed, and the paint is cured for a week without flaws. Doubt that will ever happen to me though. :-) john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:51 PM PST US From: "Joe Allman" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: HKS engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" Lurker here: Seems like I read in the archives that Kolb tried an HKS on a slingshot. Best I remember they said it performed like a 503. Joe -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kirk Smith Subject: Kolb-List: HKS engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" Anybody heard anything much about the HKS engine, good or bad? Kirk Do not archive ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:28 PM PST US From: SGreenpg@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oil Injection Ratio? --> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com In a message dated 11/28/03 9:45:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, emzi@supernet.com writes: I was wondering what the actual average fuel/oil ratio is? I thought that I read somewhere in the manual that it could range from 50-70:1. My fuel capacity will be 18 gal. and the current oil reservoir is 44 oz. Are most of you 2 strokers using the big 2.5 liter rotax oil tank? -- Earl Earl, I kept track of my oil to fuel consumption very closely for the first 50 hours or so and it averaged about 62 to 1 . I called Lockwood, where I purchased the engine, and they said that was about right. My engine is a 582. Steven G. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:06 PM PST US From: "Guy Morgan" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's - Why drip 3/16" rivets --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" I had and still have a problem with one of my L brackets on the fuselagetube. The rivets snap before the tighten down. Travis at TNK told me that ray dips his in oil and they would pull down all the way. Tried it didn't work..... What kind of rivets are you using? Sounds like the grip is too short. Not sure, though, without knowing what you're using. We use CherryMax mostly on our helos if you can't get to 'em to buck 'em. Where the stem breaks off tells you if the grip is too short, too long, or correct on a Cherry. I don't know about any rivet that would snap pulling it. Don't think I'd want to be using them on a structural joint. Maybe it's just me, but I'm a stickler where structural integrity is concerned. Bad thing about Cherry's is they require a special pneumatic puller that costs around $1000. Don't think you can do it with a hand puller. You sure couldn't snap one off by hand. Guy Morgan Galveston, TX (wanna-be Kolber) ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:48 PM PST US From: "G. T. Alexander, Jr." Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Transparent Fuel Tubing --> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. T. Alexander, Jr." Poops et al: I know it may be overkill for some, but I use the heavy duty (pulse line) for ALL my fuel lines. It "yellows" a bit over time, but doesn't discolor to a point where you can't see the fuel level. Plus don't give it a thought about collapsing. I change it out periodically anyway. The price difference of a few dollars is well worth it to me. George Alexander Original Firestar http://gtalexander.home.att.net DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike .................. Can anyone recommend any 1/4" and 5/16" fuel line tubing that does not discolor? .................... -----End of Original Message----- ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:38 PM PST US From: "Scott Olendorf" Subject: Kolb-List: Now that's a quote. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Scott Olendorf" "life is a dangerous thing, more so for folks who choose not to live in fear of dying", Denny Rowe I think I'll print this on a t-shirt. I think the same thought at least once a week. ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's - Why drip 3/16" rivets/CherryMax From: Bob Noyer --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer I have pulled several hundred CM rivets with common Craftsman pop puller. It'll last about maybe a 100, then back to the store. My cow-milking days more than 70 yrs ago was good training. I've seen the pneumatic pullers, and they are fine for production or big shops with lots of sheet metal repairs, BUTT too much money. As for the the common AL pops breaking--most likely too short grip length. Bob N. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:33 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: monument valley 2004 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" No no no no...........aaaaannd...................NO ! ! ! Lar loves and needs his comforts - Vamoose is gonna have a free ride up there in the trailer, so Lar can kick back in the camper at night. I'm not sure about Page now myself, after reading Will Uribe's post about the commuter airline traffic there. I don't mind too much, but there's likely many who don't want to play in that environment. Gotta check that out. Monument Valley, here we come. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "boyd young" Subject: Kolb-List: monument valley 2004 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" > > tho' I suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurely hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooope it woooooooooooon't beeeeeeeeeeeeeee a staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatic displaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. > > laaaaaaaaaaaaaaar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > sounds to me that you are setting yourself up for just that........ I want you to say "I WILL FLY THERE IN VAMOOSE! THE TRUCK STAYES HOME THIS YEAR!!!!!! " > > say it over and over till you are convinced. > > boyd > do not archive > > > ps > > Well.......you'll have to ask him if he is going to bring > pictures this year. If he does, you will have to look at > them to sit under the awning. > > It's worth it though. Sun gets pretty hot out there in the > desert. > > john h > > john he IS going to fly this year...... we wont let him off. we WILL have to sit under his wing to get out of the sun. > > by > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:49 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Now that's a quote. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I think I'm gonna frame that and hang it on the front of my house. In a similar vein, I recently saw a ceramic plaque to go on a wall. I'm sure you've all seen the one that says, "Mi Casa es Su Casa ??" (My House is Your House)............This one read, "Mi Casa es MI Casa." They wanted 30 bucks for a 6"x8". I'm looking for one at a reasonable price. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Olendorf" Subject: Kolb-List: Now that's a quote. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Scott Olendorf" > > "life is a dangerous thing, more so for folks who choose not to live in fear of dying", Denny Rowe > > I think I'll print this on a t-shirt. I think the same thought at least once a week. > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:08 PM PST US From: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: SEND MONEY! - List Fund Raising --> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com I contribute regulerly :-) Do not archive In a message dated 11/27/2003 3:20:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, aerialron@yahoo.com writes: > Subj:Re: Kolb-List: SEND MONEY! - List Fund Raising > Date:11/27/2003 3:20:38 PM Eastern Standard Time > From:aerialron@yahoo.com > Reply-to:kolb-list@matronics.com > To:kolb-list@matronics.com.BAYES_20 > Sent from the Internet > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon > > I agree I already sent my contribution to Matt. 30 > bucks aint gonna put a big dent into anyones pocket. > This list is priceless for the help/info we get here. > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:03 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: Visitor --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Had an interesting visit with Al & Beth from Wisconsin today. They're visiting kids and grandkids here in Palm Springs for Thanksgiving, and will be back home again by tomorrow night. Nice folks, and they were nice enuf to spend a good part of their day with me, 1st at the Mexican resaurant, and then up to visit Vamoose. That guy up there actually got the new gear bent, so there's some progress. Al's been a lurker on the List for about a month now, and is seriously thinking about building a Kolbra. He had some interesting things to say..............one of which is that he was a commercial helicopter pilot out of Fairbanks for 28 years, until recently retiring. What a life THAT must have been ! ! ! I'm not envious - uh uh. He had some thoughts about safety for those going on the flight next summer, but I'll let him talk to you after he gets home. Aaaaaand........for the 2 Johns...........he was a chopper pilot in 'Nam, too. Sure would like to hear the BS session when you-all get together. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:29 PM PST US From: CaptainRon Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's - Why drip 3/16" rivets --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon Well that shouldn't happen. Check make sure you are using a SS rivet. an aluminum rivet may do that snap early,, but SS rivet should not. If it is an AL rivet check all your other rivets to make sure they aint AL. If they are replace. ============================== --- Paul Petty wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > > I had and still have a problem with one of my L > brackets on the fuselage > tube. The rivets snap before the tighten down. > Travis at TNK told me that > ray dips his in oil and they would pull down all the > way. > Tried it didn't work..... > > pp > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jerb" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's - Why drip 3/16" > rivets > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > > > > > What is the reason for and benefit to dipping the > 3/16" rivets in oil? > > jerb > > > > snip... > > > Things like "dip them 3/16" rivets in oil > before snapping > > > > > > > > Click on the > this > generous > _-> > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== Ron Building M3X Southern Arizona __________________________________ Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:56 PM PST US From: "CRAIG M NELSON" Subject: Re: Kolb-List:star's tip's --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's if you want to do stars or other effects use kitchen cupboard self adhesive backed vinyl it can be had at any grocery store. 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SUPPLIES LIMITED If interested, E-mail me off-line at- gareywittich2000@yahoo.com __________________________________ Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:29 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip's - Why dip 3/16" rivets --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com In a message dated 11/28/03 4:33:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, ppetty@c-gate.net writes: > The rivets snap before they tighten down. Paul/others, Check to be sure the item being riveted, is held tightly against the item being riveted to. In other words, make sure there is no gap between the two pieces, because if there is even the slightest gap, when the rivet begins to expand, it will expand somewhat between the two pieces and then the rivet cannot possibly pull the two pieces tightly together before the stem breaks off. Bill Varnes Kolb FireStar Audubon, NJ