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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
This year's List Fund Raiser was pleasantly successful and I want to thank
everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the continued
operation and upgrade of these Lists! Below you will find the complete
list of this year's Contributors. Its these great guys that make it all
possible! All of the List members owe these special people a debt of
gratitude.
I would also like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder Bookstore (
http://www.buildersbooks.com ) for again this year providing free and
substantially discounted merchandise in support of the Fund Raiser. Andy
is a great guy and I encourage you to check out his very nice web
site. Thanks again, Andy!!
For those of you that ordered gifts with your Contribution, I will be
shipping these out over the next few weeks as the merchandise arrives and
as I can get all of the orders processed. Its quite a job so I appreciate
your patience! I hope to have everything on its way by the end of the
month if not sooner.
If you would still like to make a Contribution to support the Lists, please
feel free to do so! If you'd like to receive one of the awesome free
gifts, they will be available on the web page though the end of the
month. The Contribution web page can be found here:
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Finally, I would like to once again sincerely thank each and everyone of
you that took the time to make a Contribution to support the Lists this
year! Your kind support greatly appreciated!
THANK YOU!
Matt Dralle
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Adamson, Arden
Akin, Thomas
Alber, John
Alexander, Don
Alexander, George
Allender, Pat
Allison, Steven
Amick, Michael
Amundsen, Blair
Anderson, Douglas
Anderson, Edward
Andrews, Myles
Anthony, Bruce
Applefeld, Gerald
Aronson, David
Aschliman, Jim
Atkinson, Harold
Austin, Peter
Avant, David
Ayers, Jim
Babb, Tony
Bahrns, Stan
Bailey, Rick
Baker, Gary
Baker, James
Baker, Owen
Baker, Roger
Bales, Robert
Ballenger, Jim
Balmer, G
Banus, Mark
Barnett, William
Barrie, Darwin
Barter, Thomas
Basiliere, Richard
Bataller, Gary
Batte, W.Granville
Bean, James
Bean, Robert
Beard, Harley
Becker, Charles
Bell, BruceB.
Belted, Air Power, Ltd
Benham, Dallas
Benjamin, Hal
Benson, Lonn
Benson, Lonnie
Berg, Wayne
Bergeron, Daniel
Bernard, William
Berner, Walter
Bernier, Jim
Berry, Bruce
Bertelli, John
Bertrand, Carl
Berube, Bob
Bezzard, Richar
Bidle, Jerry
Bieberdorf, Roger
Bish, Dan
Blackwell, Charles
Blake, Peter
Blank, Steven
Blomgren, Jack
Bohannon, Larry
Bond, Charles
Bonsell, Edward
Booze, Greg
Borne, Chuck
Bosomworth, David
Boucher, Michel
Boulet, Paul
Bourne, Larry
Bowen, Larry
Bowhay, Eustace
Brame, Charles
Branstrom, Dan
Brasch, Glenn
Breckenridge, Bruce
Brick, John
Brogley, Michael
Brooks, Chris
Brooks, John
Brooks, Ken
Brooks, William
Broomell, Glenn
Brown, Gerald R.
Bruce, L.B.
Bruch, Stein
Brunke, Judy
Buchanan, Sam
Buchmann, Kenneth
Buess, Alfred
Bullock, Jack
Bumhoffer, Al
Burke, James
Burks, Terrell
Burns, John
Burton, Charlie
Burton, James
Burton, Ron
Butcher, James
Butcher, Ron
Butler, Francis
Butterfield, John
Buyse, Lieven
Calhoun, Ron
Calloway, Terry
Campbell, Greg
Cann, Robert
Cantrell, Jimmy
Capen, Ralph
Capra, Salvatore
Cardell, William
Carden, Richard
CarillonSr., Paul
Carney, William
Carpenter, Kenneth
Carr, David
Carroll, Randy
Carson, Rowland
Carter, David
Cary, William
Challgren, Stanley
Chambers, Ken
Champ, Nicolas
Chandler, Charles
Chandler, John
Ciolino, John
Clark, James
Clark, John
Clarkson, Scott
Clayton, James
Cliff, John
Cloud, Ralph
Clyma, Frank
Cochran, Jerry
Coffey, John
Coggins, Michael
Cole, Gary
Cole, Gerry
Colley, Larry
Colucci, Tony
Combined, Merchants
Combs, Doyle
Comer, Dave
Comfort, Gordon
Compton, Scott
Conaway, James
Condrey, Bob
Cone, James
Connell, Joseph
Conrad, Gerald
Conti, Richard
Cook, Craig
Cooley, John
Cooper, James
Corbalis, Leo
Corbette, Claude
Corder, Michael
Corner, Jim
Cotter, Tim
Cotton, David
Cottrell, Larry
Coulter, Carlin
Coursey, William
Courtney, Dean
Courtney, James
Couture, Wayne
Cribb, William
Croke, Jon
Crook, Tracy
Crosby, Harry
Crosley, Richard
Cruikshank, Bruce
D'Onofrio, John
Dalstrom, Douglas
Dalton, Bob
Daniel, Karie
Danielsen, HansJurgen
Darby, Frank
Daudt, Larry
Davenport, Jimmy
Davidson, Adam And Janet
Davidson, Jeff
Davies, Brian
Davis, Charles
Davis, Chris
Davis, Nathan
Davis, Peter
Davis, Terry
Dawson , Clif
Dawson, Garth
DeJong, Jan
Dearinger, William
Decramer, Dick
Deford, David
Denham, Bob
Dennis, Chris
Derouchey, Bill
Desmond, Richard
Devaney, Bob
Devere, Al
Diehl, Don
Diffenbaugh, Scott
Disher, John
Dixon, Thomas (Steve)
Dominy, Ken
Donaldson, Norman
Doran, Thomas
Dresden, Robert
Driscoll, Patrick
Dube, Bill
Dudley, Richard
Duffy, Russell
Dukerich, Thomas
Dumoret, Paul
Eagleston, Ron
Eckel, John
Edwards, Garland
Edwards, Joseph
Eginton, William
Eli, Robert
Ellenberger, Mike
Elliott, Andrew
Ellison, Craig
Enga, Wallace
Engh, Duncan
Enns, Dennis
Erb, Bob
Erickson, Alan
Erickson, Gerald
Erikson, Donald
Ervin, Tom
Erwin, Chip
Esterhuizen, Deon
Etherington, Al
Evans, Walt
Evenson, Roger
Fackler, Ken
Faris, Kevin
Farmer, Daniel
Fasching, John
Feldmann, StephenW.
Ferrer, Gabriel
Finley, John
Finley, Jon
Fischer, Doug
Fishe, JF
Fisher, Dru
Fisher, Michael
Fisher, Tom
Fitzpatrick, Robert
Flamini, Dennis
Flavin, John
Fleck, Joe
Foerster, James
Fogerson, Richard
Forrest, Gerald
Fox, Byron
Franz, Carl
Frazier, Ford
Frazier, Vince
Friedland, Thomas
Frizzell, Alex
Frye, Dwight
Fulgham, W.R.
Fulmer, JosephA
Fux, Franz
Gagnon, Laurent
Gagnon, Tim
Galati, Rick
Gallagher, Noel
Galley, Cy
Gantzer, Charles
Gardner, Albert
Gardner, Terrence
Garner, Mitchell
Gates, Leo
Gawronski, Brian
Gaylen Lerohl, Terminaltown
Geldermann, Dan
Genzlinger, Reade
George, William
Gerken, James
German, Mark
Gernetzke-hays, Jill
Gherardini, Don
Giacona, William
Giddens, Gerald
Gillespie, Dick
Giusti, Roberto
Glass, Roy
Golden, Shane
Gonzalez, Jorge
Goode, Richard
Goodings, John
Goodman, David
Goolsby, JamesE.
Gordon, Keith
Gott, Shelby
Goudinoff, Peter
Gowing, John
Grabb, Gary
Graber, Joel
Graham, Gary
Graham, Jim
Graham, W.Doyce
Grant, Jordan
Grebe, David
Green, Luther
Green, Roger
Greenough, Jim
Gregory, Michael
Griffin, Bill
Griffin, James
Griffin, Robert
Grosse, John
Gustafson, Aaron
Haertlein, Frank
Hagar, Steve
Haley, Gary
Hallsten, Keith
Hamer, Steve
Hamilton, William J
Hand, Chris
Hankins, Roger
Hankinson, Jimmy
Harbour, Keith
Hardaway, Mike
Harding, Joel
Harmon, John
Harrison, Nigel
Hartwig, Richard
Harvey, Dale
Hasper, Jim
Hatch, Pat
Hatcher, Edmund
Hatfield, Cecil Jr.
Hauck, JohnR
Haynes, Joel
Heath, Donald
Hefner, Jim
Heindl, Karl
Heitman, Christopher
Helming, Larry
Heritch, Ian
Herminghaus, John
Herren, Bill
Hetrick, Dale
Heykoop, John
Hibbing, William
Hill, Jeff
Hill, Ken
Hill, Stanley A
Himes, Joe
Hinrichsen, Jim
Hodgson, Mark
Hodgson, Robert
Hoffman, Carl
Hoffman, Curtis
Hoffmann, Thomas
Hohos, Charles
Holifield, Steve
Holland, Mike
Holland, Rick
Holmes, Tom
Hood, Bill
Hooper, Gerald
Hooper, Randy
Horton, Kevin
Hostetler, Donald
Howell, Pete
Howerton, Bill
Hubbard, Eugene
Hudson, Jeff
Hueltz, Wolfgang
Huff, Scott
Huft, John
Hughes, Robert
Hulen, Fred
Humbert, Robert
Humes, Hubert
Humes, Hugh
Humphrey, Roger
Hunt, Peter
Hunt, Wallace G
Hurd, James
Hurst, Kingsley
Hutchison, Tom
Hyde, David
Ice, Michael
Iddon, Richard
Irvin, Robert
Isler, Jerry
Jackson, Kevin
Jacobson, Marshall
Jannakos, Gregory
Jaussi, Curtis
Jenkins, John
Jensen, Jerry
Jewell, James
Johannsson, Johann G.
John Allen Hurn, Hurns Aircraft
Johnsen, Svein
Johnson, Bruce
Johnson, Dale
Johnson, Dennis
Johnson, Les
Johnson, Murray
Johnson, Robert
Johnston, Stephen
Jones, Eric
Joosten, Craig
Jordan, JR
Joyce, David
Jurotich, Matthew
Kahn, Steve
Kaluza, Charles
Karmy, Andrew
Kaser, Jim
Kayner, Dennis
Kellum, Mark
Kempthorne, Hal
Kent, John
Kerr, John
Kerr, Joseph
Kesterton, Donald
Kilburg, Larry
Killion, Clay
Kimsey, Thomas
Kinney, Kevin
Kirby, Graham
Kirk, Tony
Knepper, Harold
Knoll, Lynn
Kohn, Carl
Koonce, R.L.
Kosta, Michael
Kottke, Dwight
Kovac, Harold
Kramer, Ed
Krasinski, Jerzy
Krok, Peter
Krueger, Grant
Kunkel, Fred
Kuntz, Paul
Kyle, Fergus
Lahey, Jim
Laird, Dave
Laishes, Jeff
Lally, Sean
Lalonde, Bart
Landucci, Larry
Lannon, W.
Lasecki, Robert
Laurie, Kip
Laverty, Charles
Lavigne, Pat
Lawliss, James
Lawrence, Derek
Lawton, John
Ledbetter, Gene
Ledoux, Paul
Lee, Terrence
Lefler, Fabian
Lekven, Carl
Lemen, Ted
Lenton, Dennis
Leonard, Nicolas
Leslie, George
Lewis, Terry
Lewis, Tim
Licking, Larry
Lifer, Craig
Liming, Gary
Linebaugh, Jeff
Linse, Michael
Lloyd, Brian
Long, Charles
Long, Eugene
Long, Patrick
Loubert, Gary
Mack, Don
Mackay, Alex
Madden, Peter
Magsam, Del
Mahr, Egon
Mains, Ralph
Malich, Gunter
Markle, Jim
Markwell, Cleone
Marshall, F.R.
Marshall, Nigel
Marson, Thomas
Martin, Bryan
Martin, Clifford
Martin, Richard
Mason, Ron
Matteson, Robert
Maxson, Phillip
Maynor, Troy
Mcallister, Paul
Mcbride, Duncan
Mccallister, Donald
Mccallum, Bob
Mccutchan, Bruce
Mcfarland, Larry
Mcfarland, Randy
Mcfarlane, Lloyd
Mcgregor, Bruce
Mcintosh, Wayne
Mcintyre, Jay
Mckervey, Joseph
Mcleod, Neil
Mcmanus, Jim
Medeiros, Joel
Meehan, Don
Mekeel, DonaldE
Melenyzer, Charles IV
Merchant, Dean
Merrill, Dj
Messinger, Paul
Meyette, Brian
Michel, Riazuelo
Miller, David
Miller, Mark
Miller, Robert
Miller, Warren
Mills, Moe
Mills, William
Milner, Gregory
Milner, Red
Mineart, Stephen
Mitchell, HD
Moak, Ken
Montagne, Raymond
Montgomery, Dale
Moore, David
Moore, Glenn
Moore, Marbert
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Morawski, Brett
Morelli, William
Morin, Mauri
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Morrison, Malcolm
Morrow, Dan
Mosher, Doc
Mosier, Colby
Mrotzek, Dan
Muegge, James
Murphy, George
Murray, Ronald
Murrill, Robert
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Myhra, Donald
Nascimento, Marcio
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Neilsen, Richard
Nelson, William
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Nickson, Dennis
Nolan, Jim
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Noyer, Robert
Nyman, Stephen
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O'Donnell, David
O'Reilly, Colm
Oberst, James
Oconnor, Edward
Ohlinger, Judith
Ohlinger, Mark & Judy
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Oldford, David
Olendorf, James
Orear, Jeff
Otaola, Ricardo
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Red Dragon Aviation
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Reusser, Hans-Peter
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Rickman, Loy
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Rozendaal, Doug
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Sager, Truman
Salter, Phillip
Sanders, Andrew
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Sargent, Thomas
Satterlee, Robert
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Schertz, William
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Stewart, Shannon
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Vormbaum, John
Voss, Richard
Vranken, Karel
Wagoner, Richard
Waldal, Art B.
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Weber, Edward
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Weese, Brian
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Whittier, Lavoy (aka Bucky)
Wigney, John
Wiley, Robert
Williams , John
Williams, Hildred
Williams, Jeff
Williams, Lawrence
Williams, Terry
Williamson, John
Willig, Louis
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Wilson, Kelly
Wimmer, Thomas
Wingard, David
Winings, James
Winne, Edward
Woboril, David
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Wood, Larry
Woods, Donald
Woods, Harold
Wright, Roy
Wsiaki, Michael
Wymer, Jerry
Yager, Jack
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Young, Rollin
Zaric, Radomir
Zheng, Andrew
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Zollinger, Duane
Zuniga, Oscar
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 12/3/03 10:04:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
> > But their concern over the squadron
> >leader's statements was cut short by the scream of a dozen overlean
> >twostrokes diving on Surly-St. Gantt, Spandaus rattling...
> >
> >
> >To be continued..
>
> Morning Gang:
>
> Come on Duncan. What's gonna happen next. :-)
>
> john h
>
> PS: Got up laughing with my first cup of coffee this
> morning, as I read the adventures by Duncan McBride.
>
The Adventures of Duncan McBride....or ADB....since moving to the Villages
in Florida a month or so ago, I joined a group called the Hangar Flyers
here...ol WWII warriers, and Vietnam, and Korea... and was wondering what they
did.
Well, Hangar flyers tell stories...and I WANNA TELL YOU, all are very
interesting indeed, primarily because each story reveals a little of the life that
that
person lived in reality or the mind, only. Story telling is an art...and ADB
appears to have been honed already!
George Randolph
Firestar driver
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
All the pilots scatter as a hail of bullets strike the turf around their
planes! The scream of the racing engines is pierced by the rattle of the
guns and they dive for cover.
"Up and at 'em, boys!"
Squadron Leader Hawk dragged Pilot Officer Green to his feet and pushed him
towards his Twinstar. Untangling pilots Bickham and Williamson he points
them in the direction of their kites and rushes to his own brightly painted
fighter, Miss P'fer. All the pilots scramble for their craft in a mad rush
to take off before the enemy squadron can return for a second pass. But the
Tuned-Port Circus doesn't circle to follow up on their surprise attack, and
disappears over the horizon, the dentist's drill scream of their exhaust
slowly receding in the morning mist.
Only then do the pilots notice the pair of boots in the center of the field.
Squadron Leader Hawk leaped out of his scout and leads his men to the
scuffed footgear. From the boots he pulls a white note and reads aloud to
the assembled pilots, "Reims at 10? Some have to wait that long for their
sleepy engines to warm their crankcase. We don't"
Hawk tosses the boots in the back of his Twinstar. "All right boys, let's
go."
The pilots return to their planes and the squadron takes off for the fateful
rendevous.
............
The squadron circles in echelon formation over Reims. It is 10 AM.
Squadron Leader Hawk scans the clear morning skies, but no other planes are
in sight. He signals to his wingman that they'll continue to wait. But no
planes appear. Circling until they have only enough fuel to return to base,
the squadron never sees another fighter.
Determined to continue the battle, the squadron returns to Surly-St. Gantt
to refuel. But instead of the usual sleepy aerodrome, they find chaos. The
chateau they had made their quarters was a smoking ruin! Quickly they land
to find the mechanics still trying to put out the last of the flames. And
something looked odd about the little shed across the field that housed
their prisoner.
"What happened, Sergeant-General?"
The grizzled veteran looked over the assemble pilots, staring with dismay at
their ruined quarters.
"Well, looks like you boys will be sleeping in the hangar. While you were
waiting for a fight over Reims, the Tuned-Port Circus came back and bombed
your chateau. And while we were getting strafed, one of them landed and cut
loose your prisoner."
As one the pilots turned to look at the shed, and sure enough the door was
blown off it's hinges.
"Curses! That wily Padre has done it again!"
With greater determination than ever, but with grudging respect for their
clever enemy, the pilots slowly begin to sift through the wreckage of their
bombed-out chateau.
Back at Blountvilleshire Aerodrome, his happy mates greeted Larry as he
climbed out of the Padre's Twinstar.
"Hey, were you surprised to see us?" "What did you think when the chateau
blew up?"
Larry rolled out of the plane and grinned at his rescuers, only to grimace
in pain and grab at a thorn in his bare foot.
"First things first, guys. Where are my boots?"
what else..to be continued (maybe a while, I'm traveling for a week. See
ya)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
personally, I hate tv so sittin' here reading 60-70+ a day don't bother me,
good for lots of laughs also,a puter is a great tool and a place to relax if
used right, just my .02!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List Activity
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> So what's the problem - do you prefer a dead list? For the most part,
most
> post on are on the topic of building or flying Kolb's. If it is because
> you feel your getting to many messages you can change your status to
digest
> and go out and read them on demand. If you made a favorable contribution
> to Matt, you can get a CD with all messages from the groups beginning -
> that way you have all the information but not have to down load all the
> messages.
> jerb
> do not archive
>
> At 07:26 AM 12/3/03 -0600, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
> >
> >At 07:54 PM 12/2/03 -0600, you wrote:
> > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> > >
> > >Whether we can fly, have flown a Kolb or any
> > >other airplane or not. Every body is samo samo.
> > >
> > >We should all come here for the same purpose; to build and
> > >fly Kolb airplanes.
> > >
> > >I do believe we should be self policing or the List will
> > >literally turn to feces.
> > >
> >
> >John & List,
> >
> >After I read the Kolb emails, I delete them and they go into a trash
> >mailbox and remain there until I delete them in mass. I was about to
> >empty the trash mail, and then I decided to look at it again.
> >
> >In the last two months there were 1,386 emails to the Kolb list from 143
> >contributors. Or just a little less than 10 emails per contributor on the
> >average.
> >
> >During the two month period, ten contributors sent more than 30 emails to
> >the list, and they responded 669 times and made up 48% of the list
activity.
> >
> >During the two month period, the activity order for these ten
contributors
> >was:
> >
> >John Hauk - 157
> >Larry Bourne - 85
> >Richard Pike - 83
> >Captain Ron - 75
> >Paul Petty - 68
> >Aaron Hollingsworth - 57
> >Richard Neilsen - 42
> >Don Gherardini - 35
> >Denny Rowe - 34
> >Kirk Smith - 33
> >
> >I agree, some self policing may be desirable.
> >
> >Jack B. Hart FF004
> >Jackson, MO
> >
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >Jack & Louise Hart
> >jbhart@ldd.net
> >
> >
>
>
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12/04/2003 07:02:47 AM,
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com
Bryan, I have exactly what you are looking for. I fly an original Firestar
with a full enclosure. I copied a friends plans and made some of my own
changes. Up here in Minnesota an enclosure feels real good in the winter
time. As a matter of fact I leave it on all year around. There is a
problem though... you will have to wait until after Christmas for some
pictures. Santa is bring me a new digital camera. I have been a very
good boy!
P.S. to John Hauck, when I'm flying my Firestar around the corn fields and
ten thousand lakes of central Minnesota with my new digital camera, I will
be pretending I'm your wing man to Alaska. Hey, maybe you'll be passing
through my air space on your way up????
P.S. to Don Gherardini, we meet at Oshkosh. Glad to hear you are making
progress on the "Fly Honda" project. I am watching Northern Tool for a
freight damaged motor also.
Dwight Kottke
The Flying Farmer
Do Not Archive
"bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Sent by: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
12/03/2003 03:27 PM
Please respond to kolb-list
To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
cc: (bcc: Dwight Kottke/CNTR/HUT/HTI)
Subject: Kolb-List: enclosure
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Hey guys, if anyone on the list flying an original Firestar with a full
enclosure has any close up pics would you send me a couple off list. I
have the installation instructions for the old kit and would like to build
my own. Do not archive
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Glad to hear you've been good Dwight. The wait will be no problem. I moved up north(
South Carolina) from lower Alabama some 15 years ago and haven't gotten
used to the chilly weather yet. :-) Do not archive
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
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| Subject: | What is going wrong with the Kolb List lately? |
12/04/2003 07:34:38 AM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
Richard, you said it. The exchange of builder tips and information for
building, maintaining and safely flying is why I am here. Not for reading
fiction, reading seemingly endless posts of people's vacation plans (sorry,
they are not Kolb related to those of us not attending), and obviously not
for listening to people bitch at each other, I have a job for that stuff.
Today's Digest of 46 msgs was pitifully low on real Kolb content.
Is there a way that the bitching could be taken off-line, in emails direct
between people, not appended to the List? What good does it do the rest of
us? Why not send bitching replies directly to the person who offended you?
Same with the vacation planning. A couple posts to Kolb List offering a
group deal, great. Then the participaters each make a seperate list in
their address books or buddy lists to send mail to (each other)when making
firm plans.
If this doesn't work, soon it may be time for a new KOLB-TECHNICAL-ONLY
List request to Matt?
I am sorry that in order to post my opinion I have propogated the problem
again.
do not archive
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>
>Time: 06:51:57 PM PST US
>From: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: estrogen
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris"
<rharris@magnolia-net.com>
>Yea Topher, You, as usually, are right on the mark. I liked it when the
>list was for building infomation and help for those of us that need it..
> thank you.......
>Richard Harris
>MK3 N912RH
>Lewisville, Arkansas
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
>Subject: Kolb-List: estrogen
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong"
><tophera@centurytel.net>
>
>
> Did somebody put estrogen in the water at the last kolb list meeting? I
> have not heard so much whining since I was forced to go to a breast
> feeding class with my wife. I am tired of getting ten e-mails a day of
> girl talk.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Topher
>
>
do not archive
Jim
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
This gets better and better Duncan you should get a book deal. Do not archive
"First things first, guys. Where are my boots?"
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Gerken" <gerken@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: What is going wrong with the Kolb List lately?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
>
> Not for reading
> fiction, reading seemingly endless posts of people's vacation plans
(sorry,
> they are not Kolb related to those of us not attending),
>
Jim I enjoy the fiction and the vacation plans. What was that saying about
all work and no play?
>
>
> I am sorry that in order to post my opinion I have propogated the problem
> again.
Me too. :-)
>
> do not archive
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> >
> >Time: 06:51:57 PM PST US
> >From: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
> >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: estrogen
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris"
> <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
>
> >Yea Topher, You, as usually, are right on the mark. I liked it when the
> >list was for building infomation and help for those of us that need it..
> > thank you.......
>
>
> >Richard Harris
> >MK3 N912RH
> >Lewisville, Arkansas
> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
> >Subject: Kolb-List: estrogen
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong"
> ><tophera@centurytel.net>
> >
> >
> > Did somebody put estrogen in the water at the last kolb list meeting? I
> > have not heard so much whining since I was forced to go to a breast
> > feeding class with my wife. I am tired of getting ten e-mails a day of
> > girl talk.
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> > Topher
> >
> >
> do not archive
> Jim
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Perhaps a person to filter the messages before being posted, for Kolb
related content? I don't know how you could filter any other way.
Certainly Matt doesn't have time to do that.
> Today's Digest of 46 msgs was pitifully low on real Kolb content.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Airfoil Software Programs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Topher,
That's interesting to me. Do you have any links to URL's or maybe names of
programs that I could "google" out more information? I'm looking for
extremely "slow" stall speed characteristics, top end doesn't matter.
Thanks in advance,
Doug Lawton
NE Georgia & Whitwell TN
Topher wrote:
"...Nothing really wrong with the Kolb airfoil but better ones are
available. Higher lift to drag with better stall characteristics. I could
spend 30 minutes with a cfd program on my home computer starting from
scratch right now and come up with a better airfoil then the Kolb airfoil.
The tools available now just are so good (and free) that you
can do things that you couldn't do before. "
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| Subject: | What is going wrong with the Kolb List lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Man, this is great. I love this list! I love it because of the diversity, the fiction,
and the friction. Oh yeah, there's alot of damn good info here too. It
seems like there are alot of pots calling alot of kettles black lately. All the
bitchers are posting bitches about all the bitching, and so on....and so on.....
Please, all you old-timers do not stop posting your fiction, plans for Kolb
trips, anecdotes, stories, opinions, and most of all your wisdom and experience.
The rest of ya...if ya don't like it, change the friggin channel. There,
I've said my piece now I'll go back to lurking until I feel compelled to poke
my head up again. Probably when the smoke clears ;-)
Guy Morgan (Avionics tech, helicopter mechanic, and thick-skinned wanna-be Kolber)
Galveston, TX
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| Subject: | What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> The exchange of builder tips and information for
> building, maintaining and safely flying is why I am here.
Not for reading
> fiction, reading seemingly endless posts of people's
vacation plans (sorry,
> they are not Kolb related to those of us not attending),
and obviously not
> for listening to people bitch at each other, I have a job
for that stuff. Jim Gertken
> Perhaps a person to filter the messages before being posted, for Kolb
> related content? Kirk
Snuffy/Jim G/Gang:
I took the liberty to change the subject line to reflect a
more positive note. This post is more about people than
Kolbs, but people are what make up the Kolb Builders List.
Perhaps we could get the Federal Government involved in the
Kolb Builders List. That would provide jobs for several
people. Their primary duty would be to censor all incoming
messages to the Kolb List to insure they pertain only to
building and flying Kolb aircraft. Anyone caught sending
any info other than Kolb related to building and flying info
would have to face Federal Kolb List Enforcer. First
offenders will receive heavy fines, then confinement at hard
labor, and finally some type execution. Your choice.
Another alternative would be to change the subject line
above to "What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately?"
Not be so quick to "judge" others.
There is nothing in the "List Commandments" indicating I
have to read every single post to the List. That is what
the delete key is for. If a message holds no interest for
me, I delete before I read, but most of the time I end up
reading everything.
I can't find any where in the "List Commandments" that each
and everyone of us is to be entertained constantly. I don't
know how many people are on the List presently, but no way
all can be entertained, informed, and pacified the way they
want to be all the time.
Kolb List folks come in all stages of Kolb experience, from
the guy who is interested in the possibility of building a
Kolb and knows absolutely nothing about airplanes, flying,
and especially building them, to folks that have built and
are now flying.
Some of you all are busy trying to get alternative power
plants, other than Rotax. Great! I don't have much interest
in that area because I am happy with what I have. But that
does not make it wrong for you to discuss alternative power.
Some are building wings and need help understanding plans
and can benefit from tips and tricks we learn from having
already gone through this part of the building process.
Some folks are into covering and need some help with fabric
and finishing tips.
Then comes learning to fly our airplanes.
I think a valid part of the List is what we do with them
after we get them flying. I learn an awful lot about my
airplane when I am enjoying it on trips.
The Kolb List is "family" to me personally. I have a lot of
personal friends out there, many that I have met face to
face, spent time in the homes and with their families.
I think the Annual Kolb Home Coming should be shared on the
SF List. A lot of us have the opportunity to be there every
year. Many of us have never been and may never get to
attend because of work, financially, geographically, etc.
I believe the Annual Kolb Flight to MV should be shared with
the List. A lot of us fly out there from all over the
country. We can certainly share information about our
flights that will benefit others, it if is nothing more than
to reinforce in their minds that a person can build a Kolb
and fly it anywhere he wants to in the North American
Continent. Not to forget our family overseas. I'd like to
hear what they are doing, where they are flying, what they
are building.
The Kolb List is the members of the List. The individual
member all over the world is what makes up the Kolb Family.
The Kolb List takes on the personality of all those that
participate. I think we are all very special people. WE
are a little different from the average run of the mill
ultralighter and home builder. Those of us that build have
made a decision to take on a long, complicated, difficult
project. We didn't get our airplanes ready to fly right out
of the box. Most of us had never built anything so complex
as an airplane. I know I hadn't. Yes, I was afraid I could
not do all the tasks required to finish it up and make it
fly. But I did. And when it was completed and flying, I
could smile as I was flying and think to myself that this
little airplane was built in my basement by a true amateur.
I still think about my basement built airplane when I am
flying it all over God's creation. It is a good feeling. I
like that feeling. Maybe that is why I might get a little
sensitive when someone challenges what my little airplane
and my Kolb friends mean to me.
I guess what all the "too" long dissertation boils down to
is, if ya don't like what you see in a post, if you are
bored, if folks ain't writing what you want to be reading,
HIT THE DELETE KEY.
And remember you and I are not the only members of the List.
Now, if you have read this far, have some constructive
comment to make about what I have written, then by all means
let us all hear it. If not, then please keep it to yourself
or go bc to one of your buddies that is willing to listen to
you piss and moan about the individual members of the Kolb
Builders List.
My apologies to all who may have been hurt, annoyed,
angered, irritated, and turned off, by anything I have said
in the past, present, or future. I am a pretty direct
person. I need to work on tact. I come from a professional
military background, just like a lot of you all come direct
from a civilian background. I do not mean to hurt anyone's
feelings if I tell it like it is. There's a lot of
indicators left out of email correspondence. We can not see
the other person's face and eyes, or the situation he is in
when he writes an email and punched the send key. I don't
drink anymore and don't do drugs, other than a lot of
caffeine, so you can't blame my posts on that. :-)
Hopefully, we can all be a little more tolerant of each
other. I hang out with another group of folks that have
this motto as one among many, "Live and let live." If you
don't know what this means, send me an email bc and I will
try to explain it to you.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I'm amazed at how well those turned out. Nice prop and good work. John,
you crotchety ol' rascal, we gotta get you to join the digital age - you'll
love it. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Surprise
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Hi Gang:
>
> At 2300 tonight heard some noise outside. Stuck my head out
> the side door to see if it was raining. Sure enough was,
> and leaning up againsT the door was my new 72" Warp Drive
> Prop. Daryl and his gang did a beautiful job on it. The
> new HP hub is polished, it has a black anodized crush plate
> that the 5.125" spinner mounts on.
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| Subject: | Re: Airfoil Software Programs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Topher...
I like your idea also...although I dont know if an easier to build airfoil
would be the result. Still maybe I just need to learn how. I must say I have
always wondered about those concave bottom foils..like a kitfox. How do they
get the fabric to stick to them? I have also wondered about the 9deg angle
of incedence the kolb wing has. Would it fly faster if it was at a lower
angle?...surely..but alas the lift would be lessened. Your suggestion
certainly does make the ole gears grind tho!
Any suggestions on a CFD program that an engineer whos got his degree before
IBM invented the word "'PC"..? In other words , with a not to steep a
learning curve!
Don Gherardini
Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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| Subject: | Mark III Classic Launch |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Elder" <billelder@denver.net>
On Tuesday, 2 Dec, my Kolb flew for the first time. Needless to say, after 4 years
of building, it was a glorious sight and pretty emotional for me to watch.
I had a guy fly it for me as he does first flights for many in Colorado.
He took it up to 9000 MSL, so high I lost sight of it. After .7 hr, he returned
and landed - champagne all around. But he had two major concerns - aft CG
and elevator control stiffness. I knew the CG was aft, but less than 35%MAC.
I'll install some weight in the nose. CG problem due to heavy engine (912S)
and a third fuel tank I put in behind the two 5 gal tanks. Control stiffness
due to elevator control cables too tight (I was trying to prevent the wires slapping
in the tail boom). Relatively easy to fix these problems. Many thanks
to John Hauck for all your advice, also thanks to Big Lar. Without this list,
I'd still be building so thanks to you all! Bill
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| Subject: | Re: What is going wrong with the Kolb List lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Censorship doesn't sit well with me, and I too enjoy the by-plays, except
for the bitching. Generally, things like the Monument Valley planning are
clearly labeled, and those not interested can easily hit the 'delete' key,
letting the rest of us - a majority, I believe - enjoy all of the mail.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: What is going wrong with the Kolb List lately?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Perhaps a person to filter the messages before being posted, for Kolb
> related content? I don't know how you could filter any other way.
> Certainly Matt doesn't have time to do that.
>
> > Today's Digest of 46 msgs was pitifully low on real Kolb content.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: monument valley 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
i am getting to be like a kid " Is it May Yet??????"
it sounds like next year will be even better than last may....
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: geting rid of spam |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Woody and others....
the best way i found to get rid of spam is change your email address.. it
takes 6 months or so for spamers to get it in bulk........
second is to create some rules for messages... from the inbox window hit
MESSAGE CREATE RULE FROM MESSAGE in the top box i have
checked WHERE THS SUBJECT LINE CONTAINS SPECIFIC WORDS. in the center box
i have instructed it to NOT DOWNLOADFROM SERVER and the third box i put
in keywords that i find objectionable. ........ then i make another rule
in the same manner using the same keywords but the second box i put DELETE
FROM SERVER
this has eliminated 90% of the junk email from my inbox..... it is deleted
without even having to look at it.
boyd
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if you want my list of keywords i will send off list.
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| Subject: | Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
YEE HAWW! john, well said. now I gotta go make a dollar so's I can buy me
some of that thar' go juice! ron in west tx.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> > The exchange of builder tips and information for
> > building, maintaining and safely flying is why I am here.
> Not for reading
> > fiction, reading seemingly endless posts of people's
> vacation plans (sorry,
> > they are not Kolb related to those of us not attending),
> and obviously not
> > for listening to people bitch at each other, I have a job
> for that stuff. Jim Gertken
>
> > Perhaps a person to filter the messages before being posted, for Kolb
> > related content? Kirk
>
> Snuffy/Jim G/Gang:
>
> I took the liberty to change the subject line to reflect a
> more positive note. This post is more about people than
> Kolbs, but people are what make up the Kolb Builders List.
>
> Perhaps we could get the Federal Government involved in the
> Kolb Builders List. That would provide jobs for several
> people. Their primary duty would be to censor all incoming
> messages to the Kolb List to insure they pertain only to
> building and flying Kolb aircraft. Anyone caught sending
> any info other than Kolb related to building and flying info
> would have to face Federal Kolb List Enforcer. First
> offenders will receive heavy fines, then confinement at hard
> labor, and finally some type execution. Your choice.
>
> Another alternative would be to change the subject line
> above to "What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately?"
> Not be so quick to "judge" others.
>
> There is nothing in the "List Commandments" indicating I
> have to read every single post to the List. That is what
> the delete key is for. If a message holds no interest for
> me, I delete before I read, but most of the time I end up
> reading everything.
>
> I can't find any where in the "List Commandments" that each
> and everyone of us is to be entertained constantly. I don't
> know how many people are on the List presently, but no way
> all can be entertained, informed, and pacified the way they
> want to be all the time.
>
> Kolb List folks come in all stages of Kolb experience, from
> the guy who is interested in the possibility of building a
> Kolb and knows absolutely nothing about airplanes, flying,
> and especially building them, to folks that have built and
> are now flying.
>
> Some of you all are busy trying to get alternative power
> plants, other than Rotax. Great! I don't have much interest
> in that area because I am happy with what I have. But that
> does not make it wrong for you to discuss alternative power.
>
> Some are building wings and need help understanding plans
> and can benefit from tips and tricks we learn from having
> already gone through this part of the building process.
>
> Some folks are into covering and need some help with fabric
> and finishing tips.
>
> Then comes learning to fly our airplanes.
>
> I think a valid part of the List is what we do with them
> after we get them flying. I learn an awful lot about my
> airplane when I am enjoying it on trips.
>
> The Kolb List is "family" to me personally. I have a lot of
> personal friends out there, many that I have met face to
> face, spent time in the homes and with their families.
>
> I think the Annual Kolb Home Coming should be shared on the
> SF List. A lot of us have the opportunity to be there every
> year. Many of us have never been and may never get to
> attend because of work, financially, geographically, etc.
>
> I believe the Annual Kolb Flight to MV should be shared with
> the List. A lot of us fly out there from all over the
> country. We can certainly share information about our
> flights that will benefit others, it if is nothing more than
> to reinforce in their minds that a person can build a Kolb
> and fly it anywhere he wants to in the North American
> Continent. Not to forget our family overseas. I'd like to
> hear what they are doing, where they are flying, what they
> are building.
>
> The Kolb List is the members of the List. The individual
> member all over the world is what makes up the Kolb Family.
> The Kolb List takes on the personality of all those that
> participate. I think we are all very special people. WE
> are a little different from the average run of the mill
> ultralighter and home builder. Those of us that build have
> made a decision to take on a long, complicated, difficult
> project. We didn't get our airplanes ready to fly right out
> of the box. Most of us had never built anything so complex
> as an airplane. I know I hadn't. Yes, I was afraid I could
> not do all the tasks required to finish it up and make it
> fly. But I did. And when it was completed and flying, I
> could smile as I was flying and think to myself that this
> little airplane was built in my basement by a true amateur.
> I still think about my basement built airplane when I am
> flying it all over God's creation. It is a good feeling. I
> like that feeling. Maybe that is why I might get a little
> sensitive when someone challenges what my little airplane
> and my Kolb friends mean to me.
>
> I guess what all the "too" long dissertation boils down to
> is, if ya don't like what you see in a post, if you are
> bored, if folks ain't writing what you want to be reading,
> HIT THE DELETE KEY.
>
> And remember you and I are not the only members of the List.
>
> Now, if you have read this far, have some constructive
> comment to make about what I have written, then by all means
> let us all hear it. If not, then please keep it to yourself
> or go bc to one of your buddies that is willing to listen to
> you piss and moan about the individual members of the Kolb
> Builders List.
>
> My apologies to all who may have been hurt, annoyed,
> angered, irritated, and turned off, by anything I have said
> in the past, present, or future. I am a pretty direct
> person. I need to work on tact. I come from a professional
> military background, just like a lot of you all come direct
> from a civilian background. I do not mean to hurt anyone's
> feelings if I tell it like it is. There's a lot of
> indicators left out of email correspondence. We can not see
> the other person's face and eyes, or the situation he is in
> when he writes an email and punched the send key. I don't
> drink anymore and don't do drugs, other than a lot of
> caffeine, so you can't blame my posts on that. :-)
>
> Hopefully, we can all be a little more tolerant of each
> other. I hang out with another group of folks that have
> this motto as one among many, "Live and let live." If you
> don't know what this means, send me an email bc and I will
> try to explain it to you.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> > Perhaps a person to filter the messages before being posted, for Kolb
> > related content? Kirk
A statement designed to provoke thought .
> Perhaps we could get the Federal Government involved in the
> Kolb Builders List. That would provide jobs for several
> people. Their primary duty would be to censor all incoming
> messages to the Kolb List to insure they pertain only to
> building and flying Kolb aircraft. Anyone caught sending
> any info other than Kolb related to building and flying info
> would have to face Federal Kolb List Enforcer. First
> offenders will receive heavy fines, then confinement at hard
> labor, and finally some type execution. Your choice.
A thought provoked
Now, if you have read this far, have some constructive
> comment to make about what I have written, then by all means
> let us all hear it. to work on tact.
Tact: delicate skill in saying and doing exactly what is suitable in given
circumstances, especially in dealing with awkward situations without
offending.
Tactics: The science of disposing and maneuvering naval and military forces
in action, especially in regard to short range objectives.
Above definitions taken from Websters Dictionary.
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Launch |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> On Tuesday, 2 Dec, my Kolb flew for the first time.
> Bill
Hi Bill/All:
My hearty congratulations for first flight.
What amazes me is you MK III Classic flew during a time when
the air waves were so full of BS from the Kolb List it would
have downed a 747.
Don't be too quick to start loading the nose down with lead.
You may not need all that heavy ballast up there.
I don't know your test pilot, what kind of flight
conditions, maneuvers, airspeeds, etc., that he used to
determine you had an after CG problem. I would be glad to
discuss with him his test flight and see if I can glean more
info from him.
During slow flight, below 50 or 60 mph, the MK III will
squat in the tail and fly nose high. Pull in some flap and
the nose will rotate down and fly in a more level attitude.
My old bird really squats when she gets slowed down near the
stall, but let her stall and the nose will mildly drop. In
a spin the nose feels like it is pointing straight down.
Not being a trained test pilot I think the above would
indicate my MK III does not have an aft CG problem. Perhaps
someone with more training and experience, which would not
take much in my case, could straighten me out in that area.
Again good on ya. How did the 912S perform?
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Launch |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Hi Bill,
Congratulations, Bill! Now go have a blast, and keep us informed. Post some
pics
when you can, I'd like to see her.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Elder" <billelder@denver.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III Classic Launch
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Elder" <billelder@denver.net>
>
> On Tuesday, 2 Dec, my Kolb flew for the first time. Needless to say, after 4
years of
building, it was a glorious sight and pretty emotional for me to watch.
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| Subject: | Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Everyone:
The above greeting should have been on my previous msg of
the same subject.
I had Jim G and Snuffy's name on it along with "all" I
think. I was in no way attempting to point them out
individually. The only reason I put their names on it was
pure habit in the way I do my posts.
My post was intended for everyone of the members on the Kolb
List, to include, especially, me.
I know from personal experience, especially in the Army,
that it is easier to find fault than it is to help solve the
problem.
I hope I can do my share of helping us solve our problems.
That applies to "Mickey Mouse" ones to those of building and
flying Kolbs.
Thanks,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: What is going wrong with the Kolb List lately? |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kelvin Kurkowski" <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
Guy and Kolbers
Amen and alleluia!!!!! We sure get an insight of the different
personalities this way. As someone said recently its good to get together
and meet face to face. Some of us just can't get away to do that yet in our
"life situation", and this is as good as it gets, for us, for now.
Ol Tom Jefferson said " you can't have self government, without self
discipline" so my humble advice is, a bit of common sense is called for,
but other wise, don't change a thing.
And Duncan, my wife is even starting to follow along too, curiosity on why
I am rolling on the office floor in hysteria. Several of you guys amaze me.
I enjoy it all, keep the posts coming.
Thanks Kelvin K NE and thick skin also
No Kolb, Yet
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Man, this is great. I love this list! I love it because of the diversity,
the fiction, and the friction. Oh yeah, there's alot of damn good info here
too. It seems like there are alot of pots calling alot of kettles black
lately. All the bitchers are posting bitches about all the bitching, and so
on....and so on..... Please, all you old-timers do not stop posting your
fiction, plans for Kolb trips, anecdotes, stories, opinions, and most of all
your wisdom and experience. The rest of ya...if ya don't like it, change the
friggin channel. There, I've said my piece now I'll go back to lurking until
I feel compelled to poke my head up again. Probably when the smoke clears
;-)
>
>
> Guy Morgan (Avionics tech, helicopter mechanic, and thick-skinned wanna-be
Kolber)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hauck/rotax912/Warp List |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hans vanAlphen" <hva@bellsouth.net>
To all on Hauck's/ Rotax912/ Warp List,
For the last 3 years I have monitored and contributed to the Kolb list.
At the beginning I found this list extremely useful and helpful, but I have
seen a steady decline in the last year.
It used to be a list where ideas good or bad were tossed around and I liked
the excellent responses from Topher, Richard Pike, Dennis Souder, Richard
Neilsen and others.
In the last year I have seen a steady decline in the Kolb list, fewer and
fewer question are asked and the useless banter is increasing at an alarming
rate. And in my humble opinion this because of the caustic and belittling
remarks being made by the "Moderator"
I have flown my BMW successfully for 115 hours and I am proud of my less
than $3,000 four stroke engine.
No it is not a out of the box bolt on alternative, but just as good IMHO as
the Rotax at $12.000
I believe there are many very good and cheaper alternatives to the Rotax,
including VW, Geo, Verner and yes the Corvair. Tom Brownof Unity Wisc. and
Virl Deal have over 1000 hours on their Corvair engines. www.FlyCorvair.com
I think I was the pioneer for the BMW in the USA, although there are many
flying in Europe, South Africa and Australia. I get a lot of emails about
the BMW and happily share my info. and I have received several emails
expressing concern posting questions about the BMW on the Kolb List, because
if you don't have a 912 and a Warp prop the "Moderator" is going to have
something to say.... most unfortunate. Newcomers and "lurkers" are
intimidated.
I believe the Kolb list should have an open mind and encourage innovation,
not suppress it like the "Lawyers".
I hereby unsubscribe from the Hauck/ Rotax/ Warp List.
Please save your responses as I will also unsubscribe at the bottom.
Sincerely hope the Kolb List can regain its former usefulness.
Thank you.
Hans van Alphen
Kolb Mark III Xtra
BMW, 115 hours
Ivo inflight adjustable prop.
DO NOT ARCHIVE - DO NOT ARCHIVE - DO NOT ARCHIVE - DO NOT ARCHIVE.
snip...
> >I do believe we should be self policing or the List will
> >literally turn to feces.
> John Hauck - 157
> Larry Bourne - 85
> Richard Pike - 83
> Captain Ron - 75
> Paul Petty - 68
> Aaron Hollingsworth - 57
> Richard Neilsen - 42
> Don Gherardini - 35
> Denny Rowe - 34
> Kirk Smith - 33
>snip
> I agree, some self policing may be desirable.
> I feel like a little kid in his bedroom at night, hearing
> mom and dad fighting in the kitchen.....
>Duncan
>snip
> John H,
> You better straighten up or were going to have to send you to Nice
School.....
> jerb
> snip
> I have been mostly amused at this recent "unpleasantness". I never felt
>that Richard had done or said anything that would require an apology. .....
>Larry, Oregon
> snip
> Did somebody put estrogen in the water at the last kolb list meeting? I
> have not heard so much whining since I was forced to go to a breast
> feeding class with my wife. I am tired of getting ten e-mails a day of
> girl talk.
> Topher
> snip
> Yea Topher, You, as usually, are right on the mark. I liked it when the
> list was for building infomation and help for those of us that need it..
> thank you.......
> Richard Harris
> snip
> Richard,
> I read and re-read your Corvair msg and I can't quite figure out what you
> are aplogizing for.
> You may not be the list boss - but you are the big man on the list!
> Dennis
> snip
..................................................my new 72" Warp Drive
Prop.
> Daryl and his gang did a beautiful job on it...............
> Take care,
> john h
snip
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry Davis" <davistcs@eoni.com>
Woody,
By all means find an ISP that offers spam filtering. I get Postini for $1.00 a
month and get maybe 1 or 2 spam messages that slip through every now and then.
At the end of the week I mass delete 3 or 4 hundred of the %$#% things and
go on my way. Go for it, you can do it. Don't give up on the list, we enjoy
your stuff too much.
Terry Davis FS, working on instrument panel. DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
I have an idea regarding Kolb-list content: If all listers will send a
coupla bucks to my PayPal acct, I'll be the list Censor, and promise to keep
my Delete key taped down. Like the BBR classification used by the Patagonian
Navy during WWII. (you don't know BBR? ha! Burn Before Reading)
Bob N. jes' tryin' ta get along
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12/04/2003 12:23:38 PM,
Serialize complete at 12/04/2003 12:23:38 PM,
Itemize by SMTP Server on HUDOMGW1/HTI(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003)
at
12/04/2003 12:23:26 PM,
Serialize by Router on HUDOMGW1/HTI(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003)
at
12/04/2003 12:23:29 PM,
Serialize complete at 12/04/2003 12:23:29 PM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com
I tried to reply to Bryan Greens post looking for an enclosure for a
Firestar, but it did not go through. Anyhow, Bryan, I do fly a Firestar
with a full enclosure. I copied a friends plan and made some of my own
changes. It turned out nice and works great. Up here in Minnesota a full
enclosure sure feels nice, as a matter of fact I leave it on all year. I
can send you some pictures, but you will have to wait until after
Christmas. Santa is bring me a brand new digital camera. I was a very
good boy this year.
P.S. #1. John Hauck, while I'm flying over the central Minnesota corn
fields and ten thousand lakes with my new camera, I will be pretending I'm
your wing man on our way to Alaska. Hey, maybe you'll be flying through
my air space on your way up!
P.S. #2 Don Gherardini, I meet you at Oshkosh this summer, its great to
read about your "Fly Honda" report. I am watching my local Northern Tool
for a freight damaged motor also.
Dwight Kottke
The Flying Farmer
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| Subject: | Re: geting rid of spam |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
After a lot of complaining to my Two-Soup Cans-and-a-Slack-String ISP, they
installed SpamBloc (free) which takes out 92%(so far) of spam. SpamBloc has
a learning mode wherein it uses the missed spam to tighten its net . Users
return the misses to SpamBloc where it analyzes them.
Bob N.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Thank you John, well said.
I count it a privilege to be on this list and be numbered among those who
know you.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:08 AM 12/4/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>Snuffy/Jim G/Gang:
>
>I took the liberty to change the subject line to reflect a
>more positive note. This post is more about people than
>Kolbs, but people are what make up the Kolb Builders List.
<snip>
>Take care,
>
>john h
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
I guess what all the "too" long dissertation boils
down to
is, if ya don't like what you see in a post, if you
are
bored, if folks ain't writing what you want to be
reading,
HIT THE DELETE KEY.
================================
Well that's true John but the caveat is that you gotta
read it first.
Hey I hope you didn't take my roasting too serious. :-)
=====
Ron
Building M3X
Southern Arizona
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Here is what I did. Since I only use my primary e-mail for the list and good friends
i have made, I had my ISP block all e-mails except the addresses that I
send them. Works super.
pp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jam'n" <jghunter@nol.net>
hi
interesting on spam issue. it is such a pain!!
> I get Postini for $1.00 a month
is this a type of spam filtering? postini?
>and get maybe 1 or 2 spam messages that slip through every now and then.
>At the end of the week I mass delete 3 or 4 hundred of the %$#% things and
go on my way
please dont take this wrong... but how does 1 or 2 that slip by every now
and then... yield 3 or 4 hundred each week?
i had tried a spam service but i may have missed some i wanted and i still
got spam...
but i am interested in a solution other than changing emails etc. i have one
friend at Y-who... and they get absolutely -0-
others there say they do...
thanks for info and replys
jam'n
> Woody,
>
> By all means find an ISP that offers spam filtering. I get Postini for
$1.00 a month and get maybe 1 or 2 spam messages that slip through every now
and then. At the end of the week I mass delete 3 or 4 hundred of the %$#%
things and go on my way. Go for it, you can do it. Don't give up on the
list, we enjoy your stuff too much.
> Terry Davis FS, working on instrument panel. DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 10:08 AM 12/4/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>My apologies to all who may have been hurt, annoyed,
>angered, irritated, and turned off, by anything I have said
>in the past, present, or future. I am a pretty direct
>person. I need to work on tact. I come from a professional
>military background, just like a lot of you all come direct
>from a civilian background. I do not mean to hurt anyone's
>feelings if I tell it like it is. There's a lot of
>indicators left out of email correspondence. We can not see
>the other person's face and eyes, or the situation he is in
>when he writes an email and punched the send key. I don't
>drink anymore and don't do drugs, other than a lot of
>caffeine, so you can't blame my posts on that. :-)
>
>Hopefully, we can all be a little more tolerant of each
>other. I hang out with another group of folks that have
>this motto as one among many, "Live and let live." If you
>don't know what this means, send me an email bc and I will
>try to explain it to you.
>
Followed by the next message:
At 11:00 AM 12/4/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> On Tuesday, 2 Dec, my Kolb flew for the first time.
> Bill
>Hi Bill/All:
>
>My hearty congratulations for first flight.
>
>What amazes me is you MK III Classic flew during a time when
>the air waves were so full of BS from the Kolb List it would
>have downed a 747.
John,
What more is there to say? 52 minutes since your apology, and you stick the
knife and twist it. Is your previous apology and self analysis sincere? Is
this "Live and let live"?
Enough said, and I am off this topic.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
>>posted by: Richard Pike: Thank you John (Hauck),
>>well said. I count it a privilege to be on this
>>list and be numbered among those who
>>know you.
John/Richard/All,
I second that that motion! Thanks guys for taking the
time to put your thoughts down in an intelligent way.
I always appreciate the discussion of engine options,
from the Paul's Harley experimentation, to Richard's
always interesting posts on the VW side of things.
For me, and my situation, the 912S makes the most
sense, but I won't be buying the engine until the last
minute, and so always appreciate the hard work and
shared info from those of you pushing the engine
envelope to the benefit of the rest of us. I have
never gotten the feeling from this list that
alternative engines are frowned upon. I am here for
not only for the Kolb technical content, but also the
friendship and trip planning. Meeting a bunch of you
folks at Oshkosh, and benefiting from all the info and
advice since then has been a real pleasure. So much
so that my dad and I have discussed coming to Monument
valley even though my plane won't be ready by
then....as long as you guys don't mind a couple of
landlubbers begging for rides ;-)
-Jim
Jim Clayton
California
Mark-3X, Building
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Launch |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Way to go Bill, Congratulations!
Do not archive
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Elder" <billelder@denver.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III Classic Launch
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Elder" <billelder@denver.net>
>
> On Tuesday, 2 Dec, my Kolb flew for the first time. Needless to say,
after 4 years of building, it was a glorious sight and pretty emotional for
me to watch. I had a guy fly it for me as he does first flights for many in
Colorado. He took it up to 9000 MSL, so high I lost sight of it. After .7
hr, he returned and landed - champagne all around. But he had two major
concerns - aft CG and elevator control stiffness. I knew the CG was aft,
but less than 35%MAC. I'll install some weight in the nose. CG problem due
to heavy engine (912S) and a third fuel tank I put in behind the two 5 gal
tanks. Control stiffness due to elevator control cables too tight (I was
trying to prevent the wires slapping in the tail boom). Relatively easy to
fix these problems. Many thanks to John Hauck for all your advice, also
thanks to Big Lar. Without this list, I'd still be building so thanks to
you all! Bill
>
>
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| Subject: | Airfoil Software Programs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/index.htm
this website has a nice program called javafoil. It is easy and gives
fairly decent numbers. He has tons of neat information on his web site
and good links to other programs.
According to Possem the airfoil and rib design in the attached photos
is:
They've built about 6 or 7 now with that wing and 503 dual carbs.
Takes up two people easy. Cuts through the air better than mine
and is supposed to fly slower and faster than my ribs (Kolb ribs).
I know they can climb as well and fly at least as fast as me -
even with an extra three feet of wing.
They have the data at the farm and the name of the airfoil.
I'll check this weekend if you really want to know.
It's what "Highsmith" down in Fla. is flying with now, only his has
a 582 on his.
So they have already done most of what I would do.
On the Honda Project hen you get to desiging a flight worthy prop drive
I would toss in my two cents on what you should do.
If you pulled the fan and the shrouds off the engine could you save a
significant amount of weight? If you could get 50 hp out of it for 500
hours stock and keep the weight under 100 pounds with the prop drive you
could just throw the engine away and still be a good deal.
Topher
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Gherardini
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airfoil Software Programs
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini"
<donghe@one-eleven.net>
Topher...
I like your idea also...although I dont know if an easier to build
airfoil
would be the result. Still maybe I just need to learn how. I must say I
have
always wondered about those concave bottom foils..like a kitfox. How do
they
get the fabric to stick to them? I have also wondered about the 9deg
angle
of incedence the kolb wing has. Would it fly faster if it was at a lower
angle?...surely..but alas the lift would be lessened. Your suggestion
certainly does make the ole gears grind tho!
Any suggestions on a CFD program that an engineer whos got his degree
before
IBM invented the word "'PC"..? In other words , with a not to steep a
learning curve!
Don Gherardini
Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
=
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | as the smoke clears |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Thanks for all the tips on the wing construction. I can't believe that more folks
won't join in the Kolb chat room. It's fun and allows us to get to know each
other. I usually go there everyday around 5:45pm cst and hang out and chat with
James Tripp about what we are working on that day. Stay for 45 minutes or
sometime less. Then with fresh ideas and excitement I head off to the shop to
work on Ms.Dixie. I have met some nice folks in some of the other rooms. The
RV rooms the general room ect. One thing I discovered is that folks will go there
from the link at the bottom of each post without opening their browsers. When
you do this you will not see post in the room.
Before I got caught up in the exciting world of aviation, I rode motorcycles and
when it was to cold or wet to ride I would chat in Yahoo. I met folks from all
over the world that shared the same interest as I and we would all meet up
at the big rallies (Daytona) like you guys do in say MV.
Perhaps if Matt could add a place on the server for personal profiles, for those
who care to, post a photo of themselves and their plane with a little info.I
for one would like to be able to put faces to the many names on the list. Would
also like to put planes with the name. This way when I got to the flyins I
could hunt down the ones I want to meet.
I like the story telling to....
pp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
I got your message Dwight and sent a reply Thanks.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Enclosure
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com
>
> I tried to reply to Bryan Greens post looking for an enclosure for a
> Firestar, but it did not go through. Anyhow, Bryan, I do fly a Firestar
> with a full enclosure. >
> Dwight Kottke
> The Flying Farmer
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Jam';n/and everybody
I am not zactly sure just how it works,,but I can help you understand Terrys
post..
1st..the Postini method somehow pre-screens the mail..and its not at your
ISP's location..I think they must redirect it to their location because my
buddy at my ISP told me that they just had to do something because their
mail server was overloaded all the time untill they subscribed to this
service.
2nd... What terry meant about the several hundred deletions he makes...well
you get a email notice everytime someone sends you a virus infected
email...and from time to time you get a message that looks like this...
suspicious email messages since your last visit and directed them
to your One-Eleven Internet Message Center.
You can inspect your suspicious email at:.......(here a link to postini is
displayed).....................
( One-eleven is my ISP.)
Now this place saves all the messages for 30 days..then dumps them... at
anytime you want , you can go there and look at the messages...and delete
them...have them delivered...and/or approve addresses for future mail so the
ones you want to recieve wont be held up...(but they will be screened for
virus's)
for the first week or so...I went there everyday to see if it was holding
messages I wanted ..but dang few times have I needed to release them for
deliveries...after a couple of weeks...I quit even looking . now..about once
a month...I go there and see thousands of messages ...all junk...and delete
them all. You dont have to do this if you dont want to, as like I
mentioned..after 30 days it dumps the old junk to make room for the new
junk.
Heck the anti virus service is worth more than the buck a month...thats 12
bucks a year...cost me 15 to stay with Norton...and there is no way I could
update the definitions twice a day!..
yes..I still get a few junkers...maybe 2 or 3 a day out of 40 messages or so
I recieve.(unless the Kolb-list is un-usually hyperactive)
It has to do with the method some spammers are using where they pay people
to re-direct their junk from their personal computers at home..(or at
school) college kids are very susceptable to this, and every year at the
begining of school you see an increase in spam .
anyway, a few junkers sure dont bother me much...particularly when i go to
Postini and see how many they kept out of my hair!
I'm tellin ya men...these services are the best thing for the internet since
the mouse!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
I agree,
I use Yahoo and as you noted I get 0 spam on my Yahoo
emails. It in away explains why yahoo stock prices are
rising.
I would suggest to all members that refuse spam to
create a new account at Yahoo.
do not archive
==============================
--- jam'n <jghunter@nol.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jam'n"
> <jghunter@nol.net>
>
> hi
>
> interesting on spam issue. it is such a pain!!
>
> > I get Postini for $1.00 a month
>
> is this a type of spam filtering? postini?
>
> >and get maybe 1 or 2 spam messages that slip
> through every now and then.
> >At the end of the week I mass delete 3 or 4 hundred
> of the %$#% things and
> go on my way
>
> please dont take this wrong... but how does 1 or 2
> that slip by every now
> and then... yield 3 or 4 hundred each week?
>
> i had tried a spam service but i may have missed
> some i wanted and i still
> got spam...
> but i am interested in a solution other than
> changing emails etc. i have one
> friend at Y-who... and they get absolutely -0-
>
> others there say they do...
>
> thanks for info and replys
>
> jam'n
>
>
> > Woody,
> >
> > By all means find an ISP that offers spam
> filtering. I get Postini for
> $1.00 a month and get maybe 1 or 2 spam messages
> that slip through every now
> and then. At the end of the week I mass delete 3 or
> 4 hundred of the %$#%
> things and go on my way. Go for it, you can do it.
> Don't give up on the
> list, we enjoy your stuff too much.
> > Terry Davis FS, working on instrument panel.
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Click on the
> this
> generous
> _->
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
=====
Ron
Building M3X
Southern Arizona
__________________________________
Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
Go to www.postini.com. It's what we here at Internet Nebraska offer our
customers for $1/month, and it works for probably 95% of the spam.
J.D. Stewart
Internet Nebraska-Norfolk
www.inebraska.com
UltraFun AirSports
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
FlyChallenger E-mail list and Website Administrator
http://challenger.inebraska.com
TitanAircraft e-mail list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jam'n" <jghunter@nol.net>
>
> hi
>
> interesting on spam issue. it is such a pain!!
>
> > I get Postini for $1.00 a month
>
> is this a type of spam filtering? postini?
>
> >and get maybe 1 or 2 spam messages that slip through every now and then.
> >At the end of the week I mass delete 3 or 4 hundred of the %$#%
> things and
> go on my way
>
> please dont take this wrong... but how does 1 or 2 that slip by every now
> and then... yield 3 or 4 hundred each week?
>
> i had tried a spam service but i may have missed some i wanted and i still
> got spam...
> but i am interested in a solution other than changing emails etc.
> i have one
> friend at Y-who... and they get absolutely -0-
>
> others there say they do...
>
> thanks for info and replys
>
> jam'n
>
>
> > Woody,
> >
> > By all means find an ISP that offers spam filtering. I get Postini for
> $1.00 a month and get maybe 1 or 2 spam messages that slip
> through every now
> and then. At the end of the week I mass delete 3 or 4 hundred of the %$#%
> things and go on my way. Go for it, you can do it. Don't give up on the
> list, we enjoy your stuff too much.
> > Terry Davis FS, working on instrument panel. DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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| Subject: | Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Jeez john. Not only are your posts being counted, now they're being timed. I do
reckon this horse is 'bout dead. Whatchall think? Scuse me, I got a Huey to fix.
Later,
Guy
<a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2737??PS=">Shop online for kids toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you!
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| Subject: | Re: MV 2004 - I'm in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com
In a message dated 12/2/03 6:54:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, BICUM@aol.com
writes:
Flying with these guys is a blast. I know Gary H has his name in the hat.
How bout Steve Green?
Hey John and all,
I would love to make the trip but I will probably be moving about that time.
I will probably have used most of my vacation time to do the wiring and
pluming on the house. Ya'll have fun.
Steven G.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Thanks for the advise on getting rid of spam. I will try to get my isp to
install a spam blocker. Currently I use "mail washer". It shows me most of
the spam. It also calls good mail spam on occasion so I still have to check
the message titles. Sometimes words like Woody can cause the filter to
activate. Real name is Dick Wood so that combination is not spam filter
friendly either. Sometimes you just have to quit and start fresh.
As for the current war of words going on --- lighten up. Last homecoming
John Hauk pointed his finger at me and called me a foureinger and tried to
kick me out of the Kolb Hanger after I just drove 8 hrs to be there. Luckily
cooler heads prevailed when they noticed the Canadian beer under my arm and
I was allowed to stay. No hard feelings there. Pastor Pike and I have
totally different religeous beliefs but we are sociable and have no problem
helping each other out . Another member told me he thought I was the list
asshole at the home coming. No hard feelings there either. He is entitled to
his opinion but hopefully it has changed once he got used to my occasional
sarcastic sense of humour. A lot of good comes from the list,. as in life it
is made up of diverse personalities. Some good, some bad, some indifferent.
Embrace the ones you like and ignore the rest. Life gets a lot eaier that
way.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
John/All
Yes John you did give me that tip in ICQ and I remembered it. I was fishing for
more for a sequence of building the wings not so much how. The plans are pretty
good in that respect. I was looking more for first things first and so on.
With everyone's help I think I got it.
Thanks everyone.
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Launch |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
Well done. Always great to hear of a successful first flight. Here's to
many more.
Duncan McBride
Mk 3 319DM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Elder" <billelder@denver.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III Classic Launch
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Elder" <billelder@denver.net>
>
> On Tuesday, 2 Dec, my Kolb flew for the first time.
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| Subject: | Building instructions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Scott Olendorf" <solendor@nycap.rr.com>
Paul's email got me thinking. Doesn't someone on the list have a web site
with a builder's log and pictures? Maybe just the log would be enough to
get the kind of step by step he is looking for.
Scott Olendorf
Firestar, Rotax 447 and Powerfin prop.
Schenectady, NY
http://home.nycap.rr.com/firestar
======================================================
Originaly posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
> I was wondering. The plans do not appear to give a step by step way of
building
> the wings. Like, first do this, second do this and so on. I would like to
hear
> some opinions on what order the construction process should be carried
out.
> Make it simple.
> Something like.
> 1.lay out and measure leading edge.
> 2.insert and drill and rivet wing root
> 3 slide on ribs.
> 4.make trailing edge piece
> 5.install root false nose
> 6.make the tip bow
> and so on. Just a simple deal to keep me from making huge mistakes
hopefully
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| Subject: | Fw: Sponson attach for Firestar wing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Scott Olendorf" <solendor@nycap.rr.com>
This may have gotten lost in all the quarreling...
Does anyone have plans for the sponson attach points to go into a Firestar
II wing?
Scott Olendorf
Firestar, Rotax 447 and Powerfin prop.
Schenectady, NY
http://home.nycap.rr.com/firestar
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| Subject: | Full enclosure on Original Kolb Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Scott Olendorf" <solendor@nycap.rr.com>
Bryan,
I didn't know they had plans for a full enclosure. I come up with my own enclosure
design
with a little help. It works well but I would do better on the next attempt.
The best thing I did for winter flying was to take a piece of canvas (tarp) and
cable tie it
to the frame behind the seat. This makes the cockpit mostly airtight. I cut slits
to allow the cables through.
At least no breezes are hitting me. A little air has to get out to let the heater
air get in.
Anyway see my website for some pictures to give you some ideas.
http://home.nycap.rr.com/firestar/firepic.htm near the bottom of the page.
There are little side windows, not in the pictures, that go on when it gets cold.
Just the hinge pin has to be
removed to take off the side windows.
Almost SKI season. ( for the plane )
Scott Olendorf
Firestar, Rotax 447 and Powerfin prop.
Schenectady, NY
>
>Time: 01:27:59 PM PST US
>From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: enclosure
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
>
>Hey guys, if anyone on the list flying an original Firestar with a full enclosure
>has any close up pics would you send me a couple off list. I have the installation
>instructions for the old kit and would like to build my own. Do not archive
>Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Scott Olendorf" <solendor@nycap.rr.com>
OK another one from me. I'm trying to bump some of you guys off the top ten list.
Personally I have no problem with 99% of the posts. I don't like the one line
responses
that have 200 lines of someone else's email stuck on the bottom of them. But I
digress...
I think everyone should just relax and skip the stuff you don't like. I don't
care if John
make the occasional quip that some folks misinterpret because like it or not he
knows
Kolbs and is usually the first to respond and help out a fellow Kolber. He also
if the first
to question someone elses comments that US lurkers are too lazy to do.
Any maybe he IS a hero to lots of folks.
DO NOT ARCHIVE instead write it down and tape it to your monitor. At least that's
what I do with all my posts.
P.S. Doesn't anyone have a new or used firestar I/II tail bracket laying around?
Don't
make me send another post today.
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| Subject: | Re: getting rid of spam |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
I'm using a program called MailWasher. You can do a search for the site
and down load it. It's a honor type system for use and donation. The neat
thing about it unlike many spam filtering utilities, this one allows you to
bounce messages. Some system if the address bounces back, it will
automatically delete your address form its mail list. I found that it does
work. The other thing I found is have a unique email address for list - as
you indicated if spam gets to bad you can change it by one letter or digit
and no more spam.
jerb
do not archive
At 09:14 AM 12/4/03 -0700, boyd young wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
>
>Woody and others....
>
>the best way i found to get rid of spam is change your email address.. it
>takes 6 months or so for spamers to get it in bulk........
>
>second is to create some rules for messages... from the inbox window hit
>MESSAGE CREATE RULE FROM MESSAGE in the top box i have
>checked WHERE THS SUBJECT LINE CONTAINS SPECIFIC WORDS. in the center box
>i have instructed it to NOT DOWNLOADFROM SERVER and the third box i put
>in keywords that i find objectionable. ........ then i make another rule
>in the same manner using the same keywords but the second box i put DELETE
>FROM SERVER
>
>this has eliminated 90% of the junk email from my inbox..... it is deleted
>without even having to look at it.
>
>boyd
>
>do not archive.
>
>if you want my list of keywords i will send off list.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Launch |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Wonderful news, Bill...............see you coulda built almost 2 of these
things while I've been fooling around with 1. But OH, such Fun ! ! !
:-( In all serious-ness, I almost certainly would've quit long ago
without the List-ers to prod me from time to time. Thanks all.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Elder" <billelder@denver.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III Classic Launch
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Elder" <billelder@denver.net>
>
> On Tuesday, 2 Dec, my Kolb flew for the first time. Needless to say,
after 4 years of building, it was a glorious sight and pretty emotional for
me to watch. I had a guy fly it for me as he does first flights for many in
Colorado. He took it up to 9000 MSL, so high I lost sight of it. After .7
hr, he returned and landed - champagne all around. But he had two major
concerns - aft CG and elevator control stiffness. I knew the CG was aft,
but less than 35%MAC. I'll install some weight in the nose. CG problem due
to heavy engine (912S) and a third fuel tank I put in behind the two 5 gal
tanks. Control stiffness due to elevator control cables too tight (I was
trying to prevent the wires slapping in the tail boom). Relatively easy to
fix these problems. Many thanks to John Hauck for all your advice, also
thanks to Big Lar. Without this list, I'd still be building so thanks to
you all! Bill
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: What is going wrong with the Kolb List lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yah, but, but, but................he's makin' pore ol' Larry the treacherous
bad guy. C'mon Duncan, save him from that terrible fate. Surely Larry's in
the enemy camp in disguise, digging up info to help his buddies.............
?? And - maybe Duncan's efforts will inspire ol' Aluminum Butcher
Beauford to leap back into the fray ??? Lar. Do
not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelvin Kurkowski" <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: What is going wrong with the Kolb List lately?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kelvin Kurkowski"
<kkurkow@chase3000.com>
>
> Guy and Kolbers
> Amen and alleluia!!!!! We sure get an insight of the different
> personalities this way. As someone said recently its good to get together
> and meet face to face. Some of us just can't get away to do that yet in
our
> "life situation", and this is as good as it gets, for us, for now.
> Ol Tom Jefferson said " you can't have self government,
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| Subject: | Re: What is going wrong with the Kolb List lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: What is going wrong with the Kolb List lately?
>
> > Today's Digest of 46 msgs was pitifully low on real Kolb content.
>
> Do not archive
>
Well here we go again! Not sure what is wrong with me, normally I am able to
let these thing just slide on by. Medication must be off or something. I
just seem to have a terrible urge to comment on this particular type of
thread. I am trying to quit- honest!
Has it ever occurred to you guys that perhaps there just isn't anything
pressing happening some of the time that this list is operating? Poor ole
Paul P can only ask so many questions. This type of stuff can't be forced
you know. It flows with the seasons. Some times there is only BS available.
Personally my bird is setting in its trailer waiting for some better
weather, which will not likely occur until early Feb. At that time I have
some serious plans to do some modification to the enclosure, brakes and so
on. Right now I am content to throw another log on the fire and do a little
light reading. Doesn't make for scintillating questions or answers, does it?
Please Kirk, do not think that I am hacking on you or anyone else. Yours
just happened to be the first post that I opened this evening. I am just
trying to say that if there is real content and question out there they will
come through, and the list members will come through with the answers as
best as they are able. The rest of the time kindly allow the rest of us to
amuse ourselves as best as we can. It is generally called "hanger flying".
Peace!
Larry,Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Full enclosure on Original Kolb Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Olendorf" <solendor@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Full enclosure on Original Kolb Firestar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Scott Olendorf" <solendor@nycap.rr.com>
>
> Bryan,
>
> I didn't know they had plans for a full enclosure. I come up with my own
enclosure design
> with a little help. It works well but I would do better on the next
attempt.
>
Thanks Scott these pics will help a bunch. What kind of tubing did you use
for the frame? That is sure a pretty Firestar you have.
> >
>
> Almost SKI season. ( for the plane )
>
We only use ski for water around here. :-)
>
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
>
>
> >
> >Time: 01:27:59 PM PST US
> >From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
> >Subject: Kolb-List: enclosure
> >
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
> >
> >Hey guys, if anyone on the list flying an original Firestar with a full
enclosure
> >has any close up pics would you send me a couple off list. I have the
installation
> >instructions for the old kit and would like to build my own. Do not
archive
> >Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Launch |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
Bill,
Congratulations! It's got to be a great feeling seeing your work finally
complete and in the air. I grin just thinking about it. I don't know how you
could possibly work on a project for 4 years and then willingly hand the
keys over to someone else for the maiden flight. That's got to be hard.
Congtrats again and enjoy your creation.
James Tripp
Building FSII
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Elder" <billelder@denver.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III Classic Launch
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Elder" <billelder@denver.net>
>
> On Tuesday, 2 Dec, my Kolb flew for the first time. Needless to say,
after 4 years of building, it was a glorious sight and pretty emotional for
me to watch. I had a guy fly it for me as he does first flights for many in
Colorado. He took it up to 9000 MSL, so high I lost sight of it. After .7
hr, he returned and landed - champagne all around. But he had two major
concerns - aft CG and elevator control stiffness. I knew the CG was aft,
but less than 35%MAC. I'll install some weight in the nose. CG problem due
to heavy engine (912S) and a third fuel tank I put in behind the two 5 gal
tanks. Control stiffness due to elevator control cables too tight (I was
trying to prevent the wires slapping in the tail boom). Relatively easy to
fix these problems. Many thanks to John Hauck for all your advice, also
thanks to Big Lar. Without this list, I'd still be building so thanks to
you all! Bill
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 12/4/03 11:09:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
> Hopefully, we can all be a little more tolerant of each
> other. I hang out with another group of folks that have
> this motto as one among many, "Live and let live." If you
> don't know what this means, send me an email bc and I will
> try to explain it to you.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> You are good John.....well said.
George Randolph
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Clearance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
List,
Kinda hard finnishing up my firefly with deer season going on. Thought I
would throw out a question and maybe offer some respite from all the
bickering talk. My 66" prop comes 3/4 " from the tail boom. I have 3 washers between
the Alum. mtg. plate and the lord mnts. I have 2 washers between the engine
and the mtg. plate. Anyone see a problem with putting a total of 5 washers
which would raise the engine enough to give 1" of clearance. Any one else have
to
do this on their Firefly.
Ed ( in Houston)
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| Subject: | Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 12/4/03 2:26:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbhart@ldd.net
writes:
> >My hearty congratulations for first flight.
> >
> >What amazes me is you MK III Classic flew during a time when
> >the air waves were so full of BS from the Kolb List it would
> >have downed a 747.
>
> John,
>
> What more is there to say? 52 minutes since your apology, and you stick the
>
> knife and twist it. Is your previous apology and self analysis sincere? Is
>
> this "Live and let live"?
>
> Enough said, and I am off this topic.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Jackson, MO
>
>
> Jack &Louise Hart
> jbhart@ldd.net
>
Jack, pleeeeez...you are being WAY too thin skinned....don't you recognize
his sense of humor??? And you are a very good contributor to this list too!!!
wasssup buddy??!!
George Randolph
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