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1. 04:12 AM - Re: Full Enclosure on original Firestar (Scott Olendorf)
2. 04:59 AM - Vibration Dampeners? (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
3. 05:12 AM - Re: building wings (Eugene Zimmerman)
4. 05:16 AM - Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? (Dale Sellers)
5. 05:47 AM - Re: Full enclosure on Original Kolb Firestar (BKlebon@aol.com)
6. 06:07 AM - Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? (Jack & Louise Hart)
7. 06:39 AM - Re: Vibration Dampeners? (Denny Rowe)
8. 06:52 AM - Inflight adjustable IVO (Denny Rowe)
9. 07:40 AM - I don't have a dang Kolb (Native American Artist)
10. 08:08 AM - Re: fly Corvair (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
11. 08:58 AM - Cargo pod (Kirk Smith)
12. 09:07 AM - Re: Prop Clearance (Terry)
13. 09:08 AM - Kolb Holiday Spirit (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
14. 12:02 PM - Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? (CaptainRon)
15. 12:30 PM - Re: Flying Aces! (Christopher Armstrong)
16. 01:10 PM - Right and wrong with the List (flykolb)
17. 01:32 PM - Re: Kolb Holiday Spirit (John Cooley)
18. 02:13 PM - Jabiru fuel (Denny Rowe)
19. 02:29 PM - Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
20. 02:46 PM - Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? (Jack & Louise Hart)
21. 02:49 PM - Re: Kolb Holiday Spirit (Fackler, Ken)
22. 03:19 PM - Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? (Native American Artist)
23. 03:20 PM - Fw: Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? (Native American Artist)
24. 03:53 PM - Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? (ronnie wehba)
25. 04:59 PM - Re: Fw: Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? (bryan green)
26. 05:24 PM - Hauck,John,Major,Ret. (Paul Petty)
27. 05:25 PM - Re: Prop Clearance (beauford)
28. 05:29 PM - Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? (beauford)
29. 05:30 PM - Re: Re: fly Corvair (Thumb)
30. 05:32 PM - Re: Right and wrong with the List (CaptainRon)
31. 05:58 PM - Re: Jabiru fuel (John Williamson)
32. 06:24 PM - Lindy (Richard Harris)
33. 06:43 PM - Re: For those who leave the list (SR3SA2L1@aol.com)
34. 07:07 PM - Re: [surplusengines] I have some High Quality WOOD Props really cheap!!!! (Mid-State Sandblasting)
35. 07:30 PM - Fw: [surplusengines] I have some High Quality WOOD Props really cheap!!!! (Mid-State Sandblasting)
36. 07:36 PM - Re: Jabiru fuel (Denny Rowe)
37. 07:38 PM - Re: Lindy (Denny Rowe)
38. 07:44 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 62 Msgs - 12/04/03 (Vic)
39. 07:48 PM - New Experimenter issue (Denny Rowe)
40. 09:02 PM - Re: Prop Clearance (DAquaNut@aol.com)
41. 09:18 PM - Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? (DAquaNut@aol.com)
42. 09:52 PM - Lexan thickness (Terry Davis)
43. 10:16 PM - What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? (possums)
44. 10:37 PM - Re: New Experimenter issue (Don Gherardini)
45. 11:14 PM - What Is Going Right minus the #s (possums)
46. 11:43 PM - Re: Hauck,John,Major,Ret. (Don Gherardini)
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| Subject: | re: Full Enclosure on original Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Scott Olendorf" <solendor@nycap.rr.com>
Bryan,
I used 6061T6 7/8 x .049 for the front and top bow. I think I used 1/2 x
.028 for the frames around the lexan. That's what I ordered anyway. And
piano hinge for the lexan #ms20257p2. I made the hinge so that it folds
over itself when the door is closed to make it as narrow as possible.
----- Original Message -----
>
> Bryan,
>
> I didn't know they had plans for a full enclosure. I come up with my own
enclosure design
> with a little help. It works well but I would do better on the next
>attempt.
>Thanks Scott these pics will help a bunch. What kind of tubing did you use
>for the frame? That is sure a pretty Firestar you have.
>>
>> Almost SKI season. ( for the plane )
>We only use ski for water around here. :-)
>Bryan Green Elgin SC
>Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
>
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| Subject: | Vibration Dampeners? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
Hi Kolbsters,
Did anyone have first hand experience with the rotax hydro dampener
that bolts onto the mag. flywheel rotax part # 965-497? Do they make a
big difference? Are they worth $175?? Also what is the best electric
start system for a 582/w C box? -- Earl
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| Subject: | Re: building wings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
John Hauck wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Larry/Paul/Gang:
>
> Here's an easier way to make the main spar gussets of the
> wing ribs fit the main spar. If the gusset is too
> small/tight, it takes about two seconds to enlarge the hole.
> Be careful or you will make it too big.
>
> Remember your Mama's rolling pin? You can make a rolling
> pin out of some scrap aluminum tubing. Hold the rib between
> your knees, stick your rolling pin through the main spar
> gusset, make several revolutions around the inside of the
> hole. Stick it on the main spar to see if it is large
> enough to slide on. If not, make a couple more rounds in
> the main spar gusset and check you fit again.
>
> Works for me.
>
> That short cut took many years to discover. Prior to that I
> did like everybody else does. Look for emery paper, buffing
> wheel, sander or something to remove material to make the
> hole bigger, which in turn weakens the main spar gusset.
>
> The rolling pin method bends out the edge of the hole that
> was made with a die and press.
>
> john h
A Tip I wish I had learned earlier.
Spray the spar with WD40. You will be amazed at how easily the ribs fit
and slide on without scratching and galling the spar even with a tight
fit which is actually good.
EZ
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| Subject: | Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Don't you guys think it' time for all of you to calm down and DROP IT!!!!
Enough is enough. If some of you have conflicts, may I suggest handling it
off the list. I can't speak for everyone else but I'm about sick of reading
all this crap coming from grown men.
Please take your personal problems out to the parking lot and settle in
there.
The Kolb list isn't the place.
Only my opinion.
Dale Sellers
Georgia Ultra Star
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----- Original Message -----
From: <GeoR38@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/4/03 2:26:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jbhart@ldd.net
> writes:
>
> > >My hearty congratulations for first flight.
> > >
> > >What amazes me is you MK III Classic flew during a time when
> > >the air waves were so full of BS from the Kolb List it would
> > >have downed a 747.
> >
> > John,
> >
> > What more is there to say? 52 minutes since your apology, and you stick
the
> >
> > knife and twist it. Is your previous apology and self analysis sincere?
Is
> >
> > this "Live and let live"?
> >
> > Enough said, and I am off this topic.
> >
> > Jack B. Hart FF004
> > Jackson, MO
> >
> >
> > Jack &Louise Hart
> > jbhart@ldd.net
> >
>
> Jack, pleeeeez...you are being WAY too thin skinned....don't you recognize
> his sense of humor??? And you are a very good contributor to this list
too!!!
> wasssup buddy??!!
>
> George Randolph
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Full enclosure on Original Kolb Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: BKlebon@aol.com
In a message dated 12/4/03 8:36:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
solendor@nycap.rr.com writes:
> <A HREF="http://home.nycap.rr.com/firestar/firepic.htm">http://home.nycap.rr.com/firestar/firepic.htm
What type of heater did you install?
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| Subject: | Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 01:02 AM 12/5/03 EST, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
>
>>
>
>Jack, pleeeeez...you are being WAY too thin skinned....don't you recognize
>his sense of humor??? And you are a very good contributor to this list too!!!
>wasssup buddy??!!
>
>George Randolph
>
George,
I believe the main purpose of the list is to promote interest in, and to help people
to build and fly Kolb aircraft. I do not consider the humor displayed as
healthy or helpful to the List.
I like and I enjoy humor. But on a list like this one must be very careful not
to paint with too broad a brush and belittle others choices or desire for change.
The Wright brothers did a good job of getting things started, but if it
was not for innovation, we would still be warping wings and using skids for landing
gear. I do not know Homer personally, but I believe he would be the last
to say that his designs could not be improved upon. So when a general humor
statement is made about some list activity, such as, an engine, a propeller,
or a design change and it is not addressed specifically to some person on the
list, it may easily be interpreted as a "cheap shot" or at the very best "dark
humor". This casts a shadow over the list and discourages others (lurkers) from
joining the discussions and asking questions, and some may even leave the
list.
After building my FireFly and getting it in the air, I was disappointed with the
way it flew. The changes over the years have made it a joy to fly. Everyone
who comes to this list should be able to have their questions addressed in a
serious, well thought out and straight forward manner, so that they can have
as much fun as I do.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Vibration Dampeners? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
> Hi Kolbsters,
> Did anyone have first hand experience with the rotax hydro dampener
> that bolts onto the mag. flywheel rotax part # 965-497? Do they make a
> big difference? Are they worth $175?? Also what is the best electric
> start system for a 582/w C box? -- Earl
>
Earl,
I do not have experience with the Rotax flywheel damper, but I do have a
Balance Master prop balancer on my Mk-3 and even though my 2SI - Powerfin
combo is a pretty smooth running unit, I do notice an improvement with the
Balancer installed. I have also tried the balancer on my 503 powered Loehle
and saw a noticable reduction in vibration.
I beleive Balance Master also makes a flywheel balancer for Rotax engines,
you may want to check their price.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
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| Subject: | Inflight adjustable IVO |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Kolbers,
A friend has an almost new 64" inflight adjustable "high pitch" IVO Patriot model
3 blade prop for sale since he is switching to a Jabiru on his Slingshot. It
is suitable for any geardrive pusher setup and is optimized for a 582, 618,
690L, or 912 powered Slingshot or Kolbra. He did a lot of testing and exchanging
with IVO to get the best performance on his bird and this is where he wound
up.
If anyone is interested in it, contact me off list for his phone number.
Denny Rowe
rowedl@highstream.net
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| Subject: | I don't have a dang Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Native American Artist <cartoonface2003@yahoo.com>
Hello everyone,
I don't have ANY aircraft at all actually but I AM interested in the Kolb
MkIII Xtra.
I was fortunate enough to find this forum. I like it!
It has everything. Technical info, and info about the people who, design,
build, fly and improve ultralight aircraft.
It also has an element that is essential for the survival of
mankind....really! Communication!...of everything I just mentioned and more.
Jokes, jabs, jocularity and even real writing talent ( Flying
Corvair)...actually there is lot's of talent within you all.
So...like Ronnie Wehba, I don't care for TV but just like TV...if I get to
something I don't like, I click out of it and move on.
It's good to have a forum that doesn't sit in a hangar and rot....but gets
used.
The Monument Valley trip you all had last year as discribed by: John Hauck
(jhauck@elmore.rr.com) Re: Re: Monument Valley 2004 Date: Wed Dec 03 -
3:30 PM ...... sounds very Kewl!
You're good people.
Marty
http://cartoonface.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Captain Ron wrote:
"For what its worth to you John, that's my impression
of you." ( ... and we all read the text)
Ron, and Kolb Friends -
I normally do not jump in to these arguments, but I felt obliged to say
something here ...
Your rude comments about John Hauck made for the most childish and
inappropriate post I've seen on this List in the 6 years I've been on it.
Most folks on this List respect John's input, which is all backed by his
extensive Kolb-building and -flying experiences, and accounts for more than
anyone else on this List. That fact alone puts John "on the top of the
pyramid" (your words) in my book. We may not always agree with everything
he posts, but nobody has stooped as low as you to be so insulting when we
disagree. John has never personnaly attacked other members with whom he
disagreed, as you have done.
Ron, I think YOU are the one with the problem here.
This List was much more friendly before you joined. If you want to be the
"local hero," then go find another e-mail list to infect with your nasty
attitude - your kind of input is not welcome here.
Dennis Kirby
New Mexico
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
With winter arriving here in Michigan my thoughts turn to winter activities. Michigan
is blessed by many, many lakes that when frozen become iceports. I like
to ice fish which requires in my case a gas ice auger and portable shanty. Really
can't carry them inside a Kolb very well. So I was thinking of using one
of those heavy duty plastic tubs they make for dragging gear across the ice or
snow and strapping it to the belly of the Kolb. They should fit nicely under
there. Any thoughts on doing that? Anybody done anything like that? Thanks!
Kirk
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Clearance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
DAquaNut@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
> List,
>
> Kinda hard finnishing up my firefly with deer season going on. Thought I
> would throw out a question and maybe offer some respite from all the
> bickering talk. My 66" prop comes 3/4 " from the tail boom. I have 3 washers
between
> the Alum. mtg. plate and the lord mnts. I have 2 washers between the engine
> and the mtg. plate. Anyone see a problem with putting a total of 5 washers
> which would raise the engine enough to give 1" of clearance. Any one else have
to
> do this on their Firefly.
>
> Ed ( in Houston)
>
Ed,
Not sure why you want to raise the engine, the clearance of the prop to the boom
is not
a problem. I too thought at first that it was very close, but have realized after
many
hours of flight, that for the prop to strike the boom something very bad has already
happened and will ruin your day.
I am swinging the same prop as you and have had no problems in 255 hr.'s
Hope this helps, Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Kolb Holiday Spirit |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
Kolbers,
I had the last few days off due to my 38th birthday. When I came back to catch
up on the Kolb list posts, I was both amazed and saddened.
This is an amazing time that we live in! And this is an amazing time of year when
a special kind a spirit resides. A spirit that even stopped the war in WWI
and both sides came out of the deadly trenches and celebrated this time of year
together. I'm sure if arch enemies could do that, this list of brotherhood
can take care and have concern and healthy holiday spirit for one another.
I for one am very thankful for my nation, freedoms, family, God, health, and for
my airplane and for the brothers on this Kolb list. May you all have a wonderful
Christmas and Christmas spirit!
Happy holidays!
Tim Gherkins
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| Subject: | Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
I am also tired of discussing John H dumping over the
list, and wish he would stop.
Well to explain what's up is simple. As it is obvious
to most John H has for the past several months
insulted a whole bunch of people. Setting aside for a
moment his "I am Not the List Boss/Moderator routine,,
wink wink".
He comes up with a Mia Culpa supposed apology for his
behavior with the explanation that its probably his
military background that's responsible for his trashy
behavior, or maybe its us not adoring him well enough,
or maybe we are his family. Of course he would be big
Daddy and the list is Mama.
Geez my eyes almost welled up with tears when he said
that we are his family, and he just loves us all, no
matter who we are or where we are, even if we don't
adore him.
If he could only look deep into our eyes, and
notice our innermost intimate thoughts, an' all with
great angelic love, and read our body language, all
would be so well and heavenly. Did you feel that great
heavenly spiritual experience,,,.
And yet a couple of posts later he attacks, figuring
he has enough Chihuahuas to give him cover. As long as
he puts up that wooff wooff fire wall, no one can be
assured that he really has any sense of contrition.
Some of us have run across people that "talk the talk
but not walk the walk", so far that's the impression
that many of us are getting.
As to his military background as an excuse,,, well (
notwithstanding my 11 years in the U.S Army Infantry)
I am surrounded every day with EX mill here at Fort
Huachuca Az, in fact John Even knows at least one of
the people I know here. Just about everyone I come
across is ex mill and none of them are abusive.
It ain't nothing to do with being thin skinned, but a
lot to do with changing his online behavior. Some
people simply don't feel safe enough to discuss
different Power Plants, props, modifications, unless
it has been approved by Hero John. That in fact is
denying many of us the ideas and techniques that would
help improve our flying experience, and our airplanes.
If he wants to carry-on with his adoring circle or
cult of personality he can go to Yahoo, and start a
list that will be full of constant adoration. While
here we can keep going discussing how to build Kolbs,
how to fly them, what mods work, and whatever we do
with our airplanes without being attacked. Progress is
based on innovation by a wide range of people with
different ideas. To have a person that recruited or
convinced a small bunch that he is the last word on
Kolbs, then uses that group to impose his narrow view
on the rest through intimidation is doing everybody
harm. Many are fed up with that.
One person already left the list and plainly stated
that he did so because of John Hauck's abusive
behavior. And that fellow was an innovator, he went
and built a BMW conversion for his Kolb, and told us
all about it. That man is gone because of John. That
is an example among many, why many are kinda ticked
off.
==================================
--- GeoR38@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/4/03 2:26:12 PM Eastern
> Standard Time, jbhart@ldd.net
> writes:
>
> > >My hearty congratulations for first flight.
> > >
> > >What amazes me is you MK III Classic flew during
> a time when
> > >the air waves were so full of BS from the Kolb
> List it would
> > >have downed a 747.
> >
> > John,
> >
> > What more is there to say? 52 minutes since your
> apology, and you stick the
> >
> > knife and twist it. Is your previous apology and
> self analysis sincere? Is
> >
> > this "Live and let live"?
> >
> > Enough said, and I am off this topic.
> >
> > Jack B. Hart FF004
> > Jackson, MO
> >
> >
> > Jack &Louise Hart
> > jbhart@ldd.net
> >
>
> Jack, pleeeeez...you are being WAY too thin
> skinned....don't you recognize
> his sense of humor??? And you are a very good
> contributor to this list too!!!
> wasssup buddy??!!
>
> George Randolph
>
>
>
> Click on the
> this
> generous
> _->
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
=====
Ron
Building M3X
Southern Arizona
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
If any of the fine folks I have come to know here would like to contact
me in the future Please E-mail me directly at tophera@centurytel.net
I will no longer be participating in the Kolb list.
Sadly,
Topher
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| Subject: | Right and wrong with the List |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
Ron/John/All
"I am also tired of discussing John H dumping over the
list, and wish he would stop."
I wish all would stop the negatives and get back to positive comments. Enough already!!!
Peace and joy to all.
Jim
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| Subject: | Kolb Holiday Spirit |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hi Tim & Gang,
I whole heartily agree with what Tim is saying. I have been on the list
close to 5 years now and don't remember it ever getting this bad as far
as ill feelings toward one another. This list has been invaluable to me
and I enjoy most all the post that have a positive message or good will
feeling. This is a special country we live in and I too am thankful for
my nation, freedoms, family, God, health, and for my airplanes and for
the brothers on this Kolb list. May you all have a Merry Christmas.
John Cooley
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420
--> <rp3420@motorola.com>
Kolbers,
I had the last few days off due to my 38th birthday. When I came back
to catch up on the Kolb list posts, I was both amazed and saddened.
This is an amazing time that we live in! And this is an amazing time of
year when a special kind a spirit resides. A spirit that even stopped
the war in WWI and both sides came out of the deadly trenches and
celebrated this time of year together. I'm sure if arch enemies could
do that, this list of brotherhood can take care and have concern and
healthy holiday spirit for one another.
I for one am very thankful for my nation, freedoms, family, God, health,
and for my airplane and for the brothers on this Kolb list. May you all
have a wonderful Christmas and Christmas spirit!
Happy holidays!
Tim Gherkins
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Jabiru flyers,
What fuel are you folks burning in your engines?
Is 100LL your only option?
The spec sheets I see tell me that is what you have to use.
No biggy if thats the case but I wonder what is going to be around as the demise
of leaded fuel gets nearer.
Thanks,
Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
CaptainRon
Give it a rest. I'm tired of your rants. Shut up.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "CaptainRon" <aerialron@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
>
> I am also tired of discussing John H dumping over the
> list, and wish he would stop.
>
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| Subject: | Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 12:01 PM 12/5/03 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
>
>I am also tired of discussing John H dumping over the
>list, and wish he would stop.
>
CaptainRon,
No one deserves this.
John Hauck, I wish you the best, and I wish I had never joined this list.
I am gone.
Fly safe.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Holiday Spirit |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
I've been involved in network-based user groups of one type and another for
many years and it seems they all go thru this cycle of nuttiness. The thing
I've learned is that they (nearly always) survive and cycle back to
normalcy. It's just a matter of waiting.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb Holiday Spirit
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
>
> Hi Tim & Gang,
>
> I whole heartily agree with what Tim is saying. I have been on the list
> close to 5 years now and don't remember it ever getting this bad as far
> as ill feelings toward one another. This list has been invaluable to me
> and I enjoy most all the post that have a positive message or good will
> feeling. This is a special country we live in and I too am thankful for
> my nation, freedoms, family, God, health, and for my airplanes and for
> the brothers on this Kolb list. May you all have a Merry Christmas.
>
> John Cooley
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420
> --> <rp3420@motorola.com>
>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> I had the last few days off due to my 38th birthday. When I came back
> to catch up on the Kolb list posts, I was both amazed and saddened.
>
> This is an amazing time that we live in! And this is an amazing time of
> year when a special kind a spirit resides. A spirit that even stopped
> the war in WWI and both sides came out of the deadly trenches and
> celebrated this time of year together. I'm sure if arch enemies could
> do that, this list of brotherhood can take care and have concern and
> healthy holiday spirit for one another.
>
> I for one am very thankful for my nation, freedoms, family, God, health,
> and for my airplane and for the brothers on this Kolb list. May you all
> have a wonderful Christmas and Christmas spirit!
>
>
> Happy holidays!
>
> Tim Gherkins
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Native American Artist <cartoonface2003@yahoo.com>
>.......Many are fed up with that.
One person already left the list and plainly stated
that he did so because of John Hauck's abusive
behavior. And that fellow was an innovator, he went
and built a BMW conversion for his Kolb, and told us
all about it. That man is gone because of John. That
is an example among many, why many are kinda ticked
off.
SO click away from the madness that hurts you so.
Simple...like TV.
Split the scene man!
Take it with a grain of salt.
Sticks n stones....
Ignore the *erks.
Close the blinds.
Cover your eyes.
Plug your ears.
It's a terrible world that cyberplace,,,but there are so many options including
being the LAST stone thrower.
See my other post.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Native American Artist <cartoonface2003@yahoo.com>
whoops...that was attn Captain Ron.....
Native American Artist <cartoonface2003@yahoo.com> wrote:Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003
15:18:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Native American Artist
Subject: Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately?
>.......Many are fed up with that.
One person already left the list and plainly stated
that he did so because of John Hauck's abusive
behavior. And that fellow was an innovator, he went
and built a BMW conversion for his Kolb, and told us
all about it. That man is gone because of John. That
is an example among many, why many are kinda ticked
off.
SO click away from the madness that hurts you so.
Simple...like TV.
Split the scene man!
Take it with a grain of salt.
Sticks n stones....
Ignore the *erks.
Close the blinds.
Cover your eyes.
Plug your ears.
It's a terrible world that cyberplace,,,but there are so many options including
being the LAST stone thrower.
See my other post.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
This is my reply "the other ron" I for one don't mind reading all the post
,cause I just might learn sum'tin' as for jonh h. he has answered several of
my Q's direct. thanks john,, just wish I could have done the trips that you
have made.I think this bull S&
about what ever ?????, who really cares,
I don't .I like this list and several others i am on. sorry but when i get
to a post about a pissin' contest i just delete!! I DON'T CARE, just as long
as I can learn from this list. " NUF SAID" think i'll have another beer"
later guys, the other ron in tx.
----- Original Message -----
From: "CaptainRon" <aerialron@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
>
> I am also tired of discussing John H dumping over the
> list, and wish he would stop.
>
> Well to explain what's up is simple. As it is obvious
> to most John H has for the past several months
> insulted a whole bunch of people. Setting aside for a
> moment his "I am Not the List Boss/Moderator routine,,
> wink wink".
> He comes up with a Mia Culpa supposed apology for his
> behavior with the explanation that its probably his
> military background that's responsible for his trashy
> behavior, or maybe its us not adoring him well enough,
> or maybe we are his family. Of course he would be big
> Daddy and the list is Mama.
> Geez my eyes almost welled up with tears when he said
> that we are his family, and he just loves us all, no
> matter who we are or where we are, even if we don't
> adore him.
>
> If he could only look deep into our eyes, and
> notice our innermost intimate thoughts, an' all with
> great angelic love, and read our body language, all
> would be so well and heavenly. Did you feel that great
> heavenly spiritual experience,,,.
> And yet a couple of posts later he attacks, figuring
> he has enough Chihuahuas to give him cover. As long as
> he puts up that wooff wooff fire wall, no one can be
> assured that he really has any sense of contrition.
> Some of us have run across people that "talk the talk
> but not walk the walk", so far that's the impression
> that many of us are getting.
> As to his military background as an excuse,,, well (
> notwithstanding my 11 years in the U.S Army Infantry)
> I am surrounded every day with EX mill here at Fort
> Huachuca Az, in fact John Even knows at least one of
> the people I know here. Just about everyone I come
> across is ex mill and none of them are abusive.
> It ain't nothing to do with being thin skinned, but a
> lot to do with changing his online behavior. Some
> people simply don't feel safe enough to discuss
> different Power Plants, props, modifications, unless
> it has been approved by Hero John. That in fact is
> denying many of us the ideas and techniques that would
> help improve our flying experience, and our airplanes.
> If he wants to carry-on with his adoring circle or
> cult of personality he can go to Yahoo, and start a
> list that will be full of constant adoration. While
> here we can keep going discussing how to build Kolbs,
> how to fly them, what mods work, and whatever we do
> with our airplanes without being attacked. Progress is
> based on innovation by a wide range of people with
> different ideas. To have a person that recruited or
> convinced a small bunch that he is the last word on
> Kolbs, then uses that group to impose his narrow view
> on the rest through intimidation is doing everybody
> harm. Many are fed up with that.
> One person already left the list and plainly stated
> that he did so because of John Hauck's abusive
> behavior. And that fellow was an innovator, he went
> and built a BMW conversion for his Kolb, and told us
> all about it. That man is gone because of John. That
> is an example among many, why many are kinda ticked
> off.
>
> ==================================
>
>
> --- GeoR38@aol.com wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 12/4/03 2:26:12 PM Eastern
> > Standard Time, jbhart@ldd.net
> > writes:
> >
> > > >My hearty congratulations for first flight.
> > > >
> > > >What amazes me is you MK III Classic flew during
> > a time when
> > > >the air waves were so full of BS from the Kolb
> > List it would
> > > >have downed a 747.
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > What more is there to say? 52 minutes since your
> > apology, and you stick the
> > >
> > > knife and twist it. Is your previous apology and
> > self analysis sincere? Is
> > >
> > > this "Live and let live"?
> > >
> > > Enough said, and I am off this topic.
> > >
> > > Jack B. Hart FF004
> > > Jackson, MO
> > >
> > >
> > > Jack &Louise Hart
> > > jbhart@ldd.net
> > >
> >
> > Jack, pleeeeez...you are being WAY too thin
> > skinned....don't you recognize
> > his sense of humor??? And you are a very good
> > contributor to this list too!!!
> > wasssup buddy??!!
> >
> > George Randolph
> >
> >
> >
> > Click on the
> > this
> > generous
> > _->
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/chat
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> =====
> Ron
> Building M3X
> Southern Arizona
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
>
> That man is gone because of John.>
>
That man is gone because he chose to be gone.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
>
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| Subject: | Hauck,John,Major,Ret. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers/All
I have wanted to stay out of this from the beginning. However, I feel compelled
to post my feelings about the man who has been a target all week. I am no rocket
scientist. Nor am I an expert on aviation. Simply a person that likes to learn
and enjoy the life that my lord has given me. When I first discovered Kolb
aircraft, one of the people I first came in contact with was Jeremy Casey. Through
e-mails and a few phone calls Charley and I arranged to fly over to visit
Jeremy and have a look at his mark3. John Hauck was kind enough to fly in as
well and let us look over Ms.P'fer. I will never forget that day. We had been
looking over Jeremy's plane at it's tiny thin structure and just walked outside
to hear the ROAR! of Ms.P'fer screeching across the sky! My heart was pumping
ninety to nothing. It was the coolest sight and the first Kolb aircraft that
we had seen in the air. Strobes flashing, power cut back, John made an approach
to Jeremy's strip and popped above the tree line and soared up into the blue
sky! Charley looked at me and I looked at him and we both said WOW! John then
made a perfect landing. We met and talked and then had to leave too soon I
must say.
To all the fine folks I have had the opportunity to meet here and at the flyins,
I say thank you. And I mean everyone. Weather I like you and your opinions or
not. Sure John Hauck has at times rubbed me the wrong way but I understand the
man and his background. Before getting into aviation I rode hard core Harley
Davidson motorcycles with a club called "Pistoleros MC" a support club to the
"Bandidos MC" This is a group of men that are mostly former military. Their
life is all about respect! Unlike what you see in the movies. They take respect
very serious. John reminds me of these folks. Short, to the point, very accurate,
and no BS...
Charley and I are very pleased to have had the opportunity to meet such a man.John
is a professional and I am just a visitor in his world. When you hang around
this class of men don't be surprised when you get bitch slapped by asking a
stupid question. These type don't have time for BS. These type are the type you
can learn the most from about just about anything if you can put your pride
on the backshelf.
I put John Hauck on a pedestal. Why? 1.Because I RESPECT the man. He (as far as
I know) has more knowledge of Kolb aircraft than anyone. Correct me if I'm wrong.
2.His brother Jim had major input in the Kolb design. 3. Has flown to Alaska
twice? 3 times? 4.He has fought for the freedoms that we enjoy every day.
Yes he is abrasive but humble. Short but willing to help anyone in need.
As for the cry baby's, suck it up dry your tears and hang in there and move on.
I have a plane to build and need all of your help. As well as my friend John
Hauck.
In closing I say Hats off the tha man!
Major John Hauck Army Retired "Top Gun" Kolb Pilot!
Love Loyalty and Respect!
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
do not archive
ps. Merry Christmas everybody........
pss. don't bother sending me e-mails about my grammar I DON"T CARE!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Clearance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Ed:
Mine has the 66" IVO prop and is still the "stock" 3/4 inch clearance...Has
not caused any problem I have been able to detect in about 100 hours.
Personally, I would doubt that there could be too much of a problem (or
gain)raising it 1/4 inch further, but am only speculating...
Good Luck...
Beauford
FF #076
Brandon, FL
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Clearance
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
> My 66" prop comes 3/4 " from the tail boom.
> . Anyone see a problem with putting a total of 5 washers
> which would raise the engine enough to give 1" of clearance. Any one else
have to
> do this on their Firefly.
>
> Ed ( in Houston)
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Right On, Dale...
Right on...
Beauford
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
> Don't you guys think it' time for all of you to calm down and DROP IT!!!!
> Enough is enough. If some of you have conflicts, may I suggest handling
it
> off the list. >
> The Kolb list isn't the place.
> >
> Dale Sellers
> Do not archive
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thumb" <Bill-Jo@prodigy.net>
Dennis and all Kolbers
I have been reading all these letters from this guy Captain Ron and one
thing the list don't need is a guy like this!! This guy has the most
sarcastic attitude of anyone I have came across in a long time. It is
obvious that he does not know anything about John. I think most of us on
this list have benefited from Johns post on the list, I know I have. I think
John has more experience than any one of us as far as flying and dealing
with Kolb aircraft.
Dennis you have written a very good letter and I agree with you
100%!!!! Captain Ron don't know, and he doesn't know that he don't know!!
We are all here on this list to help one another and if someone says
something you don't like you just delete it and go on. As for as I am
concerned the sooner this guy goes back to where he came from, the better.
My opinion
Do Not archive Bill Futrell- Original Message -----
From: "Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fly Corvair
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM
<Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
> Captain Ron wrote:
> "For what its worth to you John, that's my impression
> of you." ( ... and we all read the text)
>
> Ron, and Kolb Friends -
>
> I normally do not jump in to these arguments, but I felt obliged to say
> something here ...
>
> Your rude comments about John Hauck made for the most childish and
> inappropriate post I've seen on this List in the 6 years I've been on it.
>
> Most folks on this List respect John's input, which is all backed by his
> extensive Kolb-building and -flying experiences, and accounts for more
than
> anyone else on this List. That fact alone puts John "on the top of the
> pyramid" (your words) in my book. We may not always agree with everything
> he posts, but nobody has stooped as low as you to be so insulting when we
> disagree. John has never personnaly attacked other members with whom he
> disagreed, as you have done.
>
> Ron, I think YOU are the one with the problem here.
>
> This List was much more friendly before you joined. If you want to be the
> "local hero," then go find another e-mail list to infect with your nasty
> attitude - your kind of input is not welcome here.
>
> Dennis Kirby
> New Mexico
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
Ok I agree, I had my say on the subject and now I am
done with it.
======================
--- flykolb <flykolb@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb"
> <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Ron/John/All
>
>
> "I am also tired of discussing John H dumping over
> the
> list, and wish he would stop."
>
> I wish all would stop the negatives and get back to
> positive comments. Enough already!!!
>
> Peace and joy to all.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Click on the
> this
> generous
> _->
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
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Building M3X
Southern Arizona
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
The Jabiru 2200 runs better on premium auto fuel than it does on 100LL.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra: Jabiru 2200, 507 hours (soon to be Rotax 912 ULS)
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Hey John Hauck, What ever happened to Lindy? This latest "stuff" reminds me
of him...
c-ya
Richard Harris
MK3 N912RH
Lewisville, Arkansas
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| Subject: | Re: For those who leave the list |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: SR3SA2L1@aol.com
To those who leave the list,
Although I understand your feelings (I too have ceased attempting to
contribute or stimulate), I am still lurking quietly in the background and will
probably continue to do so for as long as I still have hopes of using a Kolb product
for my endeavors. As long as I continue to own my old FS, I will continue to
modify it to meet my changing needs, wants and desires - with or without John
H. or Dennis's help or blessings. To be honest, they have been the least
helpful of all the people I have met on the list. This was quite a surprise to
me
as I had expected that they would be in the forefront of the efforts to make
Kolbs and Kolb owners reach their potentials and desires. I don't know either
of them personally and have nothing against either of them. I am not
complaining about them either, just stating my personal experiences. I assume
that I
have offended them each in some way and I understand that they have no
obligation to me or anyone else. Bottom line = if they are not willing to give
me
straight answers, they mean nothing to me or my project. No problem, many others
on the list have been there with answers when these two would not return my
emails or respond on the list.
The reason I joined the list in the first place was to access the
information, experience and incredible creativity offered by those who have already
thought of and perfected the modifications I find I need and I would like to not
have to "reinvent the wheel" with each new incarnation my flying machine
undergoes. You guys have already gone where I want to go, made the mistakes I will
make without your guidance, found the solutions and are far beyond what I will
be able to reach without your knowledge and help.
If you guys are going to leave and not monitor the list, please send me an
email off list and let me know if its okay for me to continue to bug you with
questions.
Thanks,
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: [surplusengines] I have some High Quality WOOD Props really |
cheap!!!!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mid-State Sandblasting" <plane@rtmc.net>
I have some High Quality WOOD Props really cheap!!!!
THought you guys might like to know where to get really nice props
for an UNUSUALLY GOOD DEAL. Look at these sample prices
for example a 60/38:
Laminated Finished Walnut------------------------$200
Laminated Rough out of the replicator Walnut-----$125
Laminated Finished Ash---------------------------$175
Laminated Ash--rough out of the replicator-------$100
straight out of the replicator, in the rough is for those who like to
do their own finishing work and save a CHUNK of $$$--
THe ash props are 25% lighter than the walnut, and the walnut are
considerably lighter than the general birch/maple props.
VERY ACCURATE BLADE MATH FOR HIGH EFFICIENCY ...email me for details
and pictures
Every Friday is "Swapmeet Friday". Members can list
no more than three aviation related items.
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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| Subject: | Fw: [surplusengines] I have some High Quality WOOD Props really |
cheap!!!!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mid-State Sandblasting" <plane@rtmc.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mid-State Sandblasting" <plane@rtmc.net>
Subject: Re: [surplusengines] I have some High Quality WOOD Props really
cheap!!!!
> Send me your info and pics of your props
> Thanks
> Randy Spad XIII In NC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cloudcars99" <cloudcars@itexas.net>
> To: <surplusengines@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:32 AM
> Subject: [surplusengines] I have some High Quality WOOD Props really
> cheap!!!!
>
>
> > THought you guys might like to know where to get really nice props
> > for an UNUSUALLY GOOD DEAL. Look at these sample prices
> >
> > for example a 60/38:
> > Laminated Finished Walnut------------------------$200
> > Laminated Rough out of the replicator Walnut-----$125
> > Laminated Finished Ash---------------------------$175
> > Laminated Ash--rough out of the replicator-------$100
> >
> > straight out of the replicator, in the rough is for those who like to
> > do their own finishing work and save a CHUNK of $$$--
> >
> > THe ash props are 25% lighter than the walnut, and the walnut are
> > considerably lighter than the general birch/maple props.
> >
> > VERY ACCURATE BLADE MATH FOR HIGH EFFICIENCY ...email me for details
> > and pictures
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Every Friday is "Swapmeet Friday". Members can list
> > no more than three aviation related items.
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > surplusengines-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Thanks John , I'll forward the info to my bud, he says the engine will ship
soon.
Does anyone else out there have a 2200 on a Slingshot, I am curious about
the performance it will give.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA, Getting our first big snow of the year today.
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>
>
> The Jabiru 2200 runs better on premium auto fuel than it does on 100LL.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra: Jabiru 2200, 507 hours (soon to be Rotax 912 ULS)
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
>
> do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> Hey John Hauck, What ever happened to Lindy? This latest "stuff" reminds
me
> of him...
>
> c-ya
>
> Richard Harris
> MK3 N912RH
> Lewisville, Arkansas
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
Yeah,
I often wonder where Lindy Linderman is also, I met him a couple times in
Lakeland when he used to sell stuff there, hows the old cogger doing?
Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 62 Msgs - 12/04/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic" <vicw@vcn.com>
I need a replacement cap for a Kolb Firestar 5 gallon fuel tank. I also
need the insert that goes in the top of the cap. Any one have a spare cap
with a plug that they are willing to sell?
vic
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| Subject: | New Experimenter issue |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Do not archive,
Kolbers,
My bird made the Members projects section in the new EAA Experimenter I just got
yesterday.
Looks half decent, but they edited out the Kudos I gave all you folks for your
advice along the way.
Just want to say thanks again to all that sold me parts they didn't need, and gave
advice when I needed it.
I know my bird is a lot nicer than it would have been without the help of you guys,
and you also saved me a good amount of money and time on some areas of construction.
Salute!
Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Clearance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 12/4/03 11:49:46 PM Central Standard Time,
DAquaNut@aol.com writes:
<< the Alum. mtg. plate and the lord mnts. I have 2 washers between the
engine
and the mtg. plate. Anyone see a problem with putting a total of 5 washers
which would raise the engine enough to give 1" of clearance. Any one else
have to
do this on their Firefly.
Ed ( in Houston)
>>
Thanks for the replys,
Now I just have to convince myself 3/4" is not too close.
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| Subject: | Re: What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 12/5/03 2:04:11 PM Central Standard Time,
aerialron@yahoo.com writes:
<< Some of us have run across people that "talk the talk
but not walk the walk", so far that's the impression
that many of us are getting.
>>
Ron,
Maybe you should chill. Dont try to speak for others on this list.
Unless You can tell us what makes You so qualfied to do so!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ed (in Houston)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry Davis" <davistcs@eoni.com>
I'm trying to find lexan for the enclosure on my FS2 and have been checking on
the scratch resistant stuff, Margard or MR10. The problem is that it's only made
in .118 and thicker. The plans say to use .090. So my question is, has anyone
used any lexan as thick as .118, and is it flexable enough to wrap around
like it has to? The abrasion resistance and etc.of the MR10 sounds really good,
but at $300 a pop for a sheet I'm not brave enough to try it out without
some of that good Kolb list experience having a say.
Terry Davis, Eastern Oregon DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | What Is Going Right With The Kolb List Lately? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 03:01 PM 12/5/2003, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
>
>I am also tired of discussing John H dumping over the
>list, and wish he would stop.
I have been a list member since 9th July 1997, when I signed up for this
deal. During the last 3 weeks I have encountered idiocy which I had not
previously considered possible, as well as ignorance and stupidity of
monolithic proportions. I pretty much assumed that Captain Ron was the
=93villiage idiot=94
and I can=92t believe you guys really even take him seriously. Even he admits
----
the caption is after the movie =93Captin Ron=94 and has nothing to do with his
flying expertise.
Please allow me to provide specific details, so that you can seek to
rectify this misunderstanding =96 or more likely (I suspect) so that you can
have some
entertaining reading material as you while away the working day.
I won't attempt to correct his spelling, although the he did forget to
bring a number of vital tools to the mix - such as any common sense and his
cerebrum - but these are some of his most famous =93quotes=94 since he joined
the list in October of 2002.
=93Yes I flew with it quite a bit in Alaska. =93 =93However since I do want to
have something flying sometime soon I will hold off on any major mods until
I have something done=94 =93 I would really like to cut the cage up and modify
it to accept a Conti O-200, But I don't know if I want to waite that long
before I take to flight. The O-200 in my opinion would be the best there is
for the M3X when installed.=94 =93 I may just go down to the Yamaha dealer and
see if I can get more specs on this bad boy. Other than that it looks
better than anything else I have seen so far inclusive of the Rota$. The
Hirth is looking more and more as the engine of choice for my M3X=94 =93 I use
an X hinge design of my own invention (as far as I know)=94 =93 Unlike those
seemingly chinzy factory design, the x hinges are none compressionable
which was one of the things that got me worried about the Kolb design. Yes
John H. I know that you have flown 67.19 gazzilion hours with yours, and
never a problem=94 =93 I just got kit number two=94 =93 I see no problem in cutting
the guide rods that hold the tanks in place, they do not seem to serve any
structural purpose. I may add that building a number of aircraft and all of
them potentially wrong, is not a qualification to offer advice based on
that.=94 =93 In other words, it would be best if you would go revisit your math
and enter the proper correction. Afterwhich if you would like we can
continue on the rest of your scenario.=94 =93 So next time John wheather you
are in your Rotax 912 chariot or a lowly 2 cycle one, **do** notice that if
you turn level from a climb without adjusting either your prop or throtle
your EGT's **will go higher**. It has to do with thermo dynamics John, and
not the Easter Bunny!=94 =93 Well John old Buddy its called $$$$ and a smaller
dia 4 blade prop pitched high. At least that is my formula. After about 3
weeks of doing little work. It is finally looking like an airplane of a
sort.=94 =93 Essentially the optimum thrust line is somewhere between the
center of gravity of the Kolb on its longtitudenal axis and its center of
drag. That would call for a real small prop and I would guess about 5
blades for an M3X.=94 =93 Which makes me question why and for what reason did
they dial in such negative angle of attack in the factory. In mine I have
already decided to install another pair of hinges along the center line of
the boom. As it confirms my worst suspicions. Let me say again, the Tail
should *never* stall before the wings in normal flight. I regret that we
have not had this discussion before I installed the hinges for the H-stabs,
as I would not have even bothered to follow the plans for hinge location.=94
=93 I did captain for a commuter airline once, if that satisfies your longing
for an hyrarchial validation.=94 =93 Well its not really a puzzler, because
math don't lie if you done it right.
So why do you think there would be a difference in noticeable performance?=94
=93 Where is that photograph of the new FF. As usual the Hillbilies in
Kentucky are a bit late in updating that new fungled barely understood
electronics computer internet page thingy.=94 =93 I cannot figure the logic in
the factory W=94 =93B form. It seems to me to be an exercise in sophistry. They
certainly could have come up with something more traditionally simple.=94 =93
Does anyone have any figures on the -g loading of the stock M3X. I wonder
what it is?=94 =93 Folks I want to thank everyone that sent me pics of their
gap sealer. I am sure there will be more things that will get me in trouble
with this project.=94 =93 Kolb can gain some market share by modifying the cage
on the M3x, Kolbra etc. to be able to accept a Conti-O200. Those are out
there at 5K or less, and I am willing to compare reliability with a Rotax
of your choice anytime. Maintenance =93 =93 overhaul on those engines is
simple. Anyone that builds a Kolb can OH an O-200. =93=94If weight is an issue
then replace the mags with elec ign, and some other stuff, and you saved
30+ pounds. Yet TnKolb is doing nothing about that. Anyway that how I see
it.=94 =93 I would if I had a 912 go to mixture of Mobil-1 and a good mineral
oil on a 50=94 =9350 in summer and if winters are really cold and I wanna fly
then 70S-30m ratio. We have the flexibility to do whatever we want with the
experimental sticker on the side.=94 =93 On the other side of the coin I would
know that at least 50% of the blend is synthetic where with my usual Syntec
I really have no idea what the ratios are.=94 =93 It seems to me that Kolb
needs to make an effort to consider other engines for their platform than
the price bloated Rotax.=94 =93 I guess what all the "too" long dissertation
boils down to is, if ya don't like what you see in a post, if you are
bored, if folks ain't writing what you want to be reading, HIT THE DELETE
KEY. Captain Ron
HOW? You ask did I did I punish my self going through the 254 archives
with his name mentioned?? Well I alleviated the boredom by playing with my
testicles for - an activity at which Ron is no-doubt both familiar and
highly adept.
Forgive me, therefore, if I continue.
John H and the others - opinionated though they are - shine like
brilliant beacons of
success, in the filthy puss-filled mire of his seemingly limitless
inadequacy and that that no one, anywhere, ever, could be more
disinterested in what the "Captain" says.
Possum =96 Do not archive - How=92d I do "Beauford"?
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Dennis...
Just got my issue today...glad to see your Kolb grace those pages!
Looking Fine!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 03:01 PM 12/5/2003, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
>
>I am also tired of discussing John H dumping over the
>list, and wish he would stop.
I have been a list member since 9th July 1997, when I signed up for this
deal. During the last 3 weeks I have encountered idiocy which I had not
previously considered possible, as well as ignorance and stupidity of
monolithic proportions. I pretty much assumed that Captain Ron was the
=93villiage idiot=94 and I can=92t believe you guys really even take him seriously.
Even he admits the caption is after the movie =93Captin Ron=94 and has nothing
to do with his flying expertise.
Please allow me to provide specific details, so that you can seek to
rectify this misunderstanding =96 or more likely (I suspect) so that you can
have some entertaining reading material as you while away the working day.
I won't attempt to correct his spelling -although the he did forget to
bring a number of vital tools to the mix - such as any "common sense" and his
cerebrum - but these are some of his most famous =93quotes=94 since he joined
the list in October of 2002.
=93Yes I flew with it quite a bit in Alaska. =93 =93However since I do want to
have something flying sometime soon I will hold off on any major mods until
I have something done=94 =93 I would really like to cut the cage up and modify
it to accept a Conti O-200, But I don't know if I want to waite that long
before I take to flight. The O-200 in my opinion would be the best there is
for the M3X when installed.=94 =93 I may just go down to the Yamaha dealer and
see if I can get more specs on this bad boy. Other than that it looks
better than anything else I have seen so far inclusive of the Rota$. The
Hirth is looking more and more as the engine of choice for my M3X=94 =93 I use
an X hinge design of my own invention (as far as I know)=94 =93 Unlike those
seemingly chinzy factory design, the x hinges are none compressionable
which was one of the things that got me worried about the Kolb design. Yes
John H. I know that you have flown 67.19 gazzilion hours with yours, and
never a problem=94 =93 I just got kit number two=94 =93 I see no problem in cutting
the guide rods that hold the tanks in place, they do not seem to serve any
structural purpose. I may add that building a number of aircraft and all of
them potentially wrong, is not a qualification to offer advice based on
that.=94 =93 In other words, it would be best if you would go revisit your math
and enter the proper correction. Afterwhich if you would like we can
continue on the rest of your scenario.=94 =93 So next time John wheather you
are in your Rotax 912 chariot or a lowly 2 cycle one, **do** notice that if
you turn level from a climb without adjusting either your prop or throtle
your EGT's **will go higher**. It has to do with thermo dynamics John, and
not the Easter Bunny!=94 =93 Well John old Buddy its called $$$$ and a smaller
dia 4 blade prop pitched high. At least that is my formula. After about 3
weeks of doing little work. It is finally looking like an airplane of a
sort.=94 =93 Essentially the optimum thrust line is somewhere between the
center of gravity of the Kolb on its longtitudenal axis and its center of
drag. That would call for a real small prop and I would guess about 5
blades for an M3X.=94 =93 Which makes me question why and for what reason did
they dial in such negative angle of attack in the factory. In mine I have
already decided to install another pair of hinges along the center line of
the boom. As it confirms my worst suspicions. Let me say again, the Tail
should *never* stall before the wings in normal flight. I regret that we
have not had this discussion before I installed the hinges for the H-stabs,
as I would not have even bothered to follow the plans for hinge location.=94
=93 I did captain for a commuter airline once, if that satisfies your longing
for an hyrarchial validation.=94 =93 Well its not really a puzzler, because
math don't lie if you done it right.
So why do you think there would be a difference in noticeable performance?=94
=93 Where is that photograph of the new FF. As usual the Hillbilies in
Kentucky are a bit late in updating that new fungled barely understood
electronics computer internet page thingy.=94 =93 I cannot figure the logic in
the factory W=94 =93B form. It seems to me to be an exercise in sophistry. They
certainly could have come up with something more traditionally simple.=94 =93
Does anyone have any figures on the -g loading of the stock M3X. I wonder
what it is?=94 =93 Folks I want to thank everyone that sent me pics of their
gap sealer. I am sure there will be more things that will get me in trouble
with this project.=94 =93 Kolb can gain some market share by modifying the cage
on the M3x, Kolbra etc. to be able to accept a Conti-O200. Those are out
there at 5K or less, and I am willing to compare reliability with a Rotax
of your choice anytime. Maintenance =93 =93 overhaul on those engines is
simple. Anyone that builds a Kolb can OH an O-200. =93=94If weight is an issue
then replace the mags with elec ign, and some other stuff, and you saved
30+ pounds. Yet TnKolb is doing nothing about that. Anyway that how I see
it.=94 =93 I would if I had a 912 go to mixture of Mobil-1 and a good mineral
oil on a 50=94 =9350 in summer and if winters are really cold and I wanna fly
then 70S-30m ratio. We have the flexibility to do whatever we want with the
experimental sticker on the side.=94 =93 On the other side of the coin I would
know that at least 50% of the blend is synthetic where with my usual Syntec
I really have no idea what the ratios are.=94 =93 It seems to me that Kolb
needs to make an effort to consider other engines for their platform than
the price bloated Rotax.=94 =93 I guess what all the "too" long dissertation
boils down to is, if ya don't like what you see in a post, if you are
bored, if folks ain't writing what you want to be reading, HIT THE DELETE
KEY. "Captain Ron"
-------
HOW? You ask did I did I punish my self going through the 254 archives
with his name mentioned?? Well I alleviated the boredom by playing with my
testicles for - an activity at which Ron is no-doubt both familiar and
highly adept.
Forgive me, therefore, if I continue.
John H and the others - opinionated though they are - shine like
brilliant beacons of success, in the filthy puss-filled mire of his
seemingly limitless
inadequacy and that that no one, anywhere, ever, could be more
disinterested in
what the Captin says.
Possum =96 Do not archive - How=92d I do "Beauford"?
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| Subject: | Re: Hauck,John,Major,Ret. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Paul,
Im glad you started a new thread...And I like the title.
I certainly know you have met John in person, as you have him pegged in your
impression. I would like to offer this example of validation.
When I finished building my FireFly, I found great difficulty in secureing
any kind of check ride. I had never logged a minute of stick Time in a Kolb
or ever a ride in one. Tried 2 seperate times to get a ride from TNK
company....You can imagine my dissapointment. Now..a Fella whom I have never
met in person Sends me an E-mail and offers to fly to my local feild on his
way home from OshKosh...and I do not live on the most direct flightpath
between. He says..meet me at Oshkosh and we will talk it over. Well
unfortunately I have to work a booth at that show..and those duties along
with the typical high level of activities...well we missed each other. Dang
... Then I got a call at home on Monday afternnoon on the last day of the
show. This guy was a couple of hundred miles morth of me and there were
thundersqualls all over the midwest. We discussed the bad weather and he
said he was inroute home and according to the weather he might or might not
be able to drop in. I certainly understood as I had been watching bad
weather all around me.
I was actually suprised when, about an hour before dark...the phone rang
again and this guy...he had dodged and weaved his way thru black clouds and
said Ill be at your airstrip in 30 minutes! I was standing on the tarmac 30
minutes later and looking at black thunderqualls in every direction . Well
When that red an orange Kolb came over the tree line I was standing there
thinking...man am I gonna owe this fella alot! We tied his bird down and I
brought him home with me. He was a gratious and corteous house guest. We ate
supper..went to my shop of course...and we looked over my Brand spankin new
never yet flown FireFly...all ready to take to the airpark .We jawed..he
played with my dog..was kind to my wife and set a wonderful example for my
son, All in all, a wonderful guest.
The next morning we went to the airport and we took a ride in Miss
Pef'er....he let me handle her...run her around the sky fer a hour or
so...and we talked of course of what a Kolb can and cannot do. I really was
thankful for the cannot stuff...this guy knew...cause he as flown em untill
he has busted em! I doubt that anyone alive has ever wore out so many of one
brand of airplane.
Now after John left..my FBO operator asked me ..who was that? I told him
where he came from..where he was going..and why he was here..all Mike could
say was...Damn! (He gave me a look like I had just laid 2 kings on his 2
jacks and said)..you a lucky bastard aint ya!
I said Yup..I am.
Now if my granny was alive...she would only describe a fella who would go
out of his way this far to help a STRANGER...as a Saint.
Now I dont know if I would classify him in that category....IN fact...I cant
think of no category for him..for he is a one of a kind.
This man of course, was Hauck, John, Major, ret.
Seems to me he goes a long way to make new friends and being a good man.
Those who had met him in person, they know this of course.
Those who have not met him....they should.
If you have not met him in person...you have no right to contribute to this
thread..for your opinions are without validation.
as it is not technically airplane building..I better say
DO NOT ARCHIVE
but I dunno Matt...I'm thinking this thread might outta be saved somewhere.
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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