Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:12 AM - Homebuilt "Major" Changes (kuffel)
2. 03:59 AM - Re: Propellor (Denny Rowe)
3. 07:41 AM - Dribbling Bing Carburetors - Update (Jack & Louise Hart)
4. 08:31 AM - Re; Homebuilt "Major" Changes (Native American Artist)
5. 09:05 AM - Re: Solo X-Country (vincenicely)
6. 11:25 AM - winter projects (Russell Phillips)
7. 12:12 PM - Re: winter projects (Larry Bourne)
8. 01:26 PM - Re: Homebuilt "Major" Changes (Bob Noyer)
9. 01:41 PM - Re: winter projects (Bob Noyer)
10. 01:42 PM - Re: Propellor - Laser (Bob Noyer)
11. 02:18 PM - heat treating gear legs (Joel Reed)
12. 03:15 PM - Re: heat treating gear legs (Bob Bean)
13. 03:18 PM - Re: winter projects (jerb)
14. 03:26 PM - Re: Propellor (Dennis Souder)
15. 03:33 PM - Re: winter projects (Jim Ballenger)
16. 04:09 PM - Re: winter projects (fuel tanks) (Fackler, Ken)
17. 05:14 PM - Re: Homebuilt "Major" Changes (kuffel)
18. 06:18 PM - Re: Homebuilt "Major" Changes (Bob Noyer)
19. 06:43 PM - Ace Hardware aircraft supply (Clay Stuart)
20. 07:08 PM - Re: Ball Joints (Vic)
21. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: Ball Joints (Bob Noyer)
22. 07:57 PM - Re: Re: Ball Joints (Don Gherardini)
23. 08:20 PM - Re: Re: Ball Joints (HShack@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Homebuilt "Major" Changes |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net>
<<Changed to cut down windshield .. covered the wing with v/g's... what
impact does these configurations have on getting an N numbered
aircraft? Are you deviating from the design the N number was assigned
to?>>
<<these small changes have no effect on registration at all, they really
are not major changes and also not structural.>>
This is really two different issues. In the US there is no requirement
for the builder to follow anything in the plans as long as he uses
aircraft quality materials and workmanship. In other words, you can
change anything you want up to the final inspection.
After the initial sign-off, the FAA must be notified of any "major
changes". Don't have the AC in front of me at the moment but the last
time I discussed this topic with the FAA (about a month ago) the reply
was "anything which changes the aircraft reliability, weight & balance
or aerodynamics *may* be a major change." Don't you just love such a
clear and unambiguous answer.
So the bad news is you probably should notify the FAA about these
changes especially if you don't want a fight with your insurance company
about paying a claim. The good news is all the FAA will most likely ask
is you refly a test phase for a limited number of hours (5 or fewer was
mentioned) in a limited area. Or if you make them mad they might go
back to step one with a full inspection and full test phase (usually 40
hours on a Kolb). But even this is better than the FAA deciding your
aircraft was no longer legal in the event of an incident.
<<Do you need an STC ?>>
No. As an aside, there is no such thing as a Supplemental Type
Certificate (STC) for homebuilt experimental aircraft. The notification
process described above serves the same function.
Do not archive.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
CFI, EAA Flight Advisor
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Propellor
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> Would not the IVO blades have to be reversed in the hub to get the proper
> side of the blades facing forward and the hub to mount to the gear box in
> the correct orientation - can that be done due to the blade pitch torsion
> rods mating to the hub?
> jerb
Jerb,
By stating in my post below that the blades looked the same, I didn't mean
to imply that they were interchangable, I meant that I did not recall any
differance in the blade design other than they being opposite direction
units. Of course I don't recall ever comparing them side by side as Don G
has so they may well have differances I hadn't noticed, either that or maybe
IVO altered their blade design over the years.
You can't use right and left hand blades interchangably, props are always
directional.
Sorry for the confusion,
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
> >Earl,
> >I have used two and three blade IVOs on my 503 Powered Loehle "Tractor
> >configuration" and they performed really well.
> >A friend had a belt drive on his Loehle so he had a right hand prop and
the
> >blades looked the same as mine.
> >Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Dribbling Bing Carburetors - Update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
Kolbers,
I have re-worked the Bing carburetor dribble bib to make it lighter and to
reduce the chance of anything being sucked into the engine. The latest
update can be seen on the bottom of:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly90.html
This is a long html with many photos, so it will take a while to load.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re; Homebuilt "Major" Changes |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Native American Artist <cartoonface2003@yahoo.com>
Thanks for the info to send me in the right direction.
I don't have any experience in the homebuilt realm but I do know Feds and Insurance
companies are the bane if you ever have an incident and you made mods without
informing them.
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| Subject: | Re: Solo X-Country |
DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "vincenicely" <vincenicely@chartertn.net>
Arron,
You said: >215lbs. I cruised my first leg at 63-65mph indicated at about
5100rpm. I thought the lower rpm would save some fuel even though it would
take longer >to get there. I was wrong. First and second leg were both right
over 50 miles (minimal wind). The second leg I cruised at 5800rpm showing
85mph indicated. I >burned less gas and arrived about 15 minutes faster.
Perhaps the explanation is that the Rotax 2-stroke engines have an
efficiency expressed as specific fuel consumption (pounds of fuel per horse
power hour) that changes significantly with RPM. The reasoning to fuel per
mile at different speeds is a little complicated because the drag of the
airplane and the efficiency of the propeller are dependent upon speed too.
Anyway, proceeding along the engine efficiency line of thought, according to
the table in my year 2000 CPS catalog, the 618 burns about .83 lb/(hp*hr) at
5000 RPM and about 0.75 lb/(hp*hr) at 5800 RPM. The most efficient speed
of the 618 appears from the graph to be 6600 RPM at about .69 lb/(hp*hr).
Vince
FireStar II
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Russell Phillips" <rphillip1999@hotmail.com>
Hi guys,
The weather has put a stop to my fabric covering so now I'm working on a couple
other thingsin my basement that I would like to hear some ideas from anyone
who has already dealt with them.
I've made a cardboard templateof the instrument paneland drawn the instruments.
I like the idea of putting instrumentsin the existing panel(Mark III Classic)
and any switches that need to be reached in a seperate box in front of the seat
betweenmy legs. I'm having a problem fitting all the gauges I feel are neccesary
in the space. Any ideas? (note - not a fan of EIS)
My other winter project is solving the problem of needing a larger fuel tank.
I want a tankwith 16-18 gal. usable. Has anyone used onefrom a G. A. plane or
are they builtto heavy (weight) for this? How about custom made from Aircraft
Spruce, anyone had any experience with that?The last resort would be to design,
buy the material, find someone to weld (I've read about some bad experiences
there).
Any input would be appreciated.
Russ in chilly , snow covered southwestern NY
Still plugging away on Mark III Classic
<a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2746??PS=">Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home.
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| Subject: | Re: winter projects |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I know of at least 2 ways to go. 1st, extend the panel down as I did. Look
on my website under Building Vamoose/Instrument Panel. I can't reach it
very well when strapped in, so extended the radios out and angled them for
easy use in busy airspace. I live near the Los Angeles mess, and will be
flying in that environment at least some of the time. Another, probably
better, way to go is Dennis Kirby's method of moving the whole panel back
toward you and extending it down. This has the advantage of bringing
everthing - switches and all within reach, and allowed him to hinge the
panel to give easy access to the wiring if necessary. On mine, the radios
extend back too far for the hinge to work. I took some good pictures of
Dennis' panel, so will send them to you off List. Dennis is a real nice
fella, and I doubt if he'll mind me showing off his plane.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Phillips" <rphillip1999@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: winter projects
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Russell Phillips"
<rphillip1999@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi guys,
>
>
> The weather has put a stop to my fabric covering so now I'm working on a
couple other thingsin my basement that I would like to hear some ideas from
anyone who has already dealt with them.
>
>
> I've made a cardboard templateof the instrument paneland drawn the
instruments. I like the idea of putting instrumentsin the existing
panel(Mark III Classic) and any switches that need to be reached in a
seperate box in front of the seat betweenmy legs. I'm having a problem
fitting all the gauges I feel are neccesary in the space. Any ideas? (note -
not a fan of EIS)
>
>
> My other winter project is solving the problem of needing a larger fuel
tank. I want a tankwith 16-18 gal. usable. Has anyone used onefrom a G. A.
plane or are they builtto heavy (weight) for this? How about custom made
from Aircraft Spruce, anyone had any experience with that?The last resort
would be to design, buy the material, find someone to weld (I've read about
some bad experiences there).
>
>
> Any input would be appreciated.
>
>
> Russ in chilly , snow covered southwestern NY
>
>
> Still plugging away on Mark III Classic
>
>
> <a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2746??PS=">Winterize your home with
tips from MSN House & Home.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt "Major" Changes |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
Maybe need a Form 337? On cert. a/c whenever a major repair or change is
made, you hafta fill out a 337. Also try for a one-time STC if any change
affecting design, operation(?), etc Or quote an existing STC.....I think!
Bob N. too-old mech, also too cold
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| Subject: | Re: winter projects |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
Russ,
Coupla yrs ago there were thrds abt fuel tanks on FLY-UL. Ask Larry at
ldavis@indy.rr.com
He had a catalog I think
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: Propellor - Laser |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
Jerb,
Saw the ad more'n maybe a coupla yrs ago. Not Dennis, altho he may have a
clue.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | heat treating gear legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joel Reed" <jfreed@dejazzd.com>
Hello Kolbers,
I have wanted to make my own landing gear and I got some 4130 tubing and have
cut them to length and I wanted to sent them out to get heat treated and I
wanted to find out how much it would cost and it seems like its a enpensive process
to do the heat treating. I had called Braddock, in New Jersey and the plant
manager had gave me a quote of $125 and I thought that was a good deal and
send my tubing over to them but the employee who is doing my tubing said it
would exceed $500 to do my tubing. I thought that was too much so I thought I
would ask the list and find out if that is the normal or is there another place
that you know of that would do it for less.
Thanks
Joel
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| Subject: | Re: heat treating gear legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Sure sounds like bait-n-switch to me. All you need to heat treat is
an electric oven (kitchen model won't do) with an accurate temp
readout. First the item is heated to red hot with out reaching
the droop temp and then rapid quenched. Then stuck in the
electric furnace to reach the applicable temp that actually reduces
the temper to what you want. When I do a cluster I quench with
a wet rag to put a little firmness back in, yup a little guesswork to
judge the mass I'm working with. -Too much, you have a brittle
structure and too little you have a spot that will sag a bit with the
first hard landing. Check with John H's Alabama treater to see
what they want. -BB do not archive
Joel Reed wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joel Reed" <jfreed@dejazzd.com>
>
>Hello Kolbers,
>
> I have wanted to make my own landing gear and I got some 4130 tubing and have
cut them to length and I wanted to sent them out to get heat treated and I
wanted to find out how much it would cost and it seems like its a enpensive process
to do the heat treating. I had called Braddock, in New Jersey and the
plant manager had gave me a quote of $125 and I thought that was a good deal and
send my tubing over to them but the employee who is doing my tubing said it
would exceed $500 to do my tubing. I thought that was too much so I thought
I would ask the list and find out if that is the normal or is there another place
that you know of that would do it for less.
>
>Thanks
> Joel
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: winter projects |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Curious, what is it about the EIS you don't like. I love it, have one in
each of our planes.
jerb
do not archive
snip..
I'm having a problem fitting all the gauges I feel are necessary in the
space. Any ideas? (note - not a fan of EIS)
snip....
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
Folks,
Sorry to disappoint ... but I don't have a Laser. I was just using lessons
we learned from the Laser in talking about props. Even though the Laser is
faster and sexier looking than the SlingShot, I would prefer a SlingShot to
the Laser because of the better visibility. Kolb originally presented the
Laser some years ago, but never followed through with production for several
reasons. One reason was expense, it was a complicated structure, esp with
the folding wings and the folding wings had some problems which really
needed a redesign. So plug-in wings were designed to eliminate some of the
complexity of the folding joint. But we really weren't happy about giving
up the folding. Then we did the FS-II redesign and that kept us so busy for
quite a while and we didn't have time to spend on the Laser. Some years
later, after Homer left, we tried again and did a complete re-design on the
wing and designed an all new folding arrangement and we were very satisfied
with the result, but we still had questions if we could charge enough money
to make it a viable aircraft to market. There were some other similar
aircraft by Rans and Zenair which we would need to compete with. Then along
came TNK and they did their own redesign exercise and decided eventually to
drop it too. Someone approached TNK about buying all the Laser planes and
parts and evidently a deal was struck and they were sold. Then, I think
that person decided he didn't want to bother with the Laser and put it up
for sale on Barnstormes. The Laser and parts were sold again and that is
all I know.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Propellor
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Jerry B
> Ahhh that Kolb..ok Now I know..I didnt remember the name was
> Laser..Shoulda known Dennis would wind up with one!
> I remember when a few months back, there was an Adv on the Prototype..and
> another or 2 all from the same fella. That was my first exposure to this
> airplane.Thanks pard!
>
> BTW..I have Google search site as my default page in explorer..thats how
> much I use it! When I got to thinking about what a Laser was, I typed in
> Laser Aircraft. ..got nuttin....I just didnt remember it was a Kolb!
>
> So Dennis...Do you have that 1st one?...or did you build yourself
> another?...what kind of power?
> It is Snowing like heck here and I bet alot of fellas would like to hear
> all about the Kolb Laser's performance...handling..construction....
> Sit down here Dennis and tell me about it will ya!
>
> Thanks
>
> Don Gherardini
> FireFly 098
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: winter projects |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Russ
I purchased two 10 gallon from Titan Aircraft and with a little metal work
they fit great in my MK III Xtra.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
> My other winter project is solving the problem of needing a larger fuel
tank. I want a tankwith 16-18 gal. usable. >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: winter projects (fuel tanks) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
>>needing a larger fuel tank
Kirk (Snuffy) Smith turned me on to the source at the URL below as a place
to get fuel tanks of various sizes that are very light in weight and will
work for the Kolb.
http://www.bugsandbuggies.com/
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt "Major" Changes |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Bob,
<<need a Form 337? .. Also try for a one-time STC .. Or quote an
existing STC>>
Nope. In the case of a homebuilt it is all simpler than 337s or STCs.
Just write a letter to your local FAA FSDO telling them about your
aircraft and what changes you made. They will do one of three things:
1) Write a letter saying "that's fine." 2) Write a letter saying "test
it for 4 (or whatever) hours in the following designated test area." 3)
"We need to inspect it or get a DAR to inspect it as if it were being
inspected for the first time and then a full (probably 40 hours) flight
test time will be required."
Once again, there is no such thing as a 337 or STC for a homebuilt. But
if your change copies something done by an STC or approved 337 on a
certificated aircraft it would certainly help to mention the fact in
your letter to the FAA.
Do not archive.
Tom Kuffel
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt "Major" Changes |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
Tom, guess I was thinking of cert. a/c....Said: " On cert. a/c whenever a
major repair or change is..." Of course you're correct on exps.
Then the experimentals that are/will be certified...
regards
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Ace Hardware aircraft supply |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Anything wrong with using the hardware store aluminum angle for making custom gas
tank and custom seat mounting brackets? I don't plan on painting them. I
have cut the neoprene pad into strips that came with my kit for covering the gas
tank trays and I am lining the gas tank bracket angles with it. My tanks are
2 aluminum 8 gal tanks for my Xtra.
Thanks,
Clay Stuart
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic" <vicw@vcn.com>
Help. I am coming up on 25 hours on my Rotax 503 and the maintenance
schedule recommends that I lubricate the ball joints. What ball joints?
Vic
Do Not Archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
muffler
bn
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Vic
about the only place I can think of Vic is the exhaust ball connectors
between the muffler and the manifuld y- pipe
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 12/14/2003 10:57:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
donghe@one-eleven.net writes:
Vic
about the only place I can think of Vic is the exhaust ball connectors
between the muffler and the manifuld y- pipe
You use anti-sieze.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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