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1. 05:55 AM - Kolbra For Sale (IT'S ME, IT'S ME!!!)
2. 07:37 AM - Re: Jack's Project (Richard Pike)
3. 07:38 AM - Re: Steam Guages (Vic)
4. 09:13 AM - extended panel alternative? (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com)
5. 09:33 AM - Re: Jack's Project (Guy Morgan)
6. 11:10 AM - Panel (James, Ken)
7. 12:59 PM - Re: Panel (flykol)
8. 02:12 PM - Jack's Project (Mike Pierzina)
9. 02:24 PM - Re: Panel (Denny Rowe)
10. 03:40 PM - Re: Jack's Project (jerb)
11. 05:00 PM - Re: extended panel alternative? (Larry Bourne)
12. 06:19 PM - Re: Kolb-Silicone (Richard Pike)
13. 06:55 PM - Re: Jack's Project (Bob N.)
14. 10:02 PM - Kolb List...HondaJet announcement (Don Gherardini)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "IT'S ME, IT'S ME!!!" <terrymccurry@yahoo.com>
Dear kolbers, I have decided to sell my Kolbra kit (kit#4) and move totally into
General Aviation! The kit is built up to the quickbuild stage and is waiting
for someone to start the covering!! Included is a new Rotax,electric start, blue
head 582 still in the box, split radiators, Ivo three bladed prop, the covering
kit from Aircraft Technical Support, O'Brien brakes, EIS instrument, air
speed inst.,. All you need is paint and time to finish...over 20k invested at
this point, Take all for $17,500 and you will be saving Kolbs quickbuild charge
of $3695!!!!!!! Please e-mail terrymccurry@yahoo.com or call 864-227-6332 (home),
864-9931112 (cell)
It may be a law, I don"t know!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Jack's Project |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
I never saw any silicone that didn't swell up and go goofy from gasoline.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 06:58 PM 12/15/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>
>Hey Jack,
> I like the way your project is turning out...
> I'll have to check it out myself later...
> But I don't like the JB weld. I think screws could be slightly counter
> sunk ( or a safety wire ) and a high temp silicone could be used to seal
> the area below.
> Glad to hear from you,
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN -FSII Painting Trim Colors
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>I have re-worked the Bing carburetor dribble bib to make it lighter and to
>reduce the chance of anything being sucked into the engine. The latest
>update can be seen on the bottom of:
>
>http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly90.html
>
>This is a long html with many photos, so it will take a while to load.
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Jackson, MO
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Steam Guages |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic" <vicw@vcn.com>
I agree with Lar. I like my steam gauges. My reason is that with gauges I
don't have to read the gauge, only glance at the position of the needle.
With a glass cockpit I find myself fixating on the dial trying to read it.
I am sure part of that is because of my failing close vision. I may have to
give up the K-Mart glasses and get some of the high price ones.
Vic
Do not archive
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| Subject: | extended panel alternative? |
12/16/2003 12:08:50 PM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
An alternative to extending the panel that you may wish to consider is
installing seat belts with an inertial lock. This should allow you to
still lean forward and reach the gauges on a standard (non-extended) panel.
Not sure what the additional cost for this would be. Any folks out there
with inertially locking seat belt installed?
regards,
Erich Weaver
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| Subject: | Re: Jack's Project |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Try pro-seal. They make it in several different grades, high temp..low adhesion...etc.
It's two part stuff and you mix it by weight. It's aviation grade stuff
and it's great. Lasts forever and pretty much bullet proof.
Guy Morgan
Galveston, TX
Richard Pike <RWPIKE@CHARTER.NET> I never saw any silicone that didn't swell up
and go goofy from gasoline.
Hey Jack, I like the way your project is turning out... I'll have to check
it out myself later... But I don't like the JB weld. I think screws could be
slightly counter sunk ( or a safety wire ) and a high temp silicone could be
used to seal the area below.
<a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2749??PS=">Cell phone switch rules are taking effect find out more here.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
In don't have KIT two yet but I have sat in the Demo flyer,
My plan for the instrument panel is to mount it on the left side of the cage
over my legs on a swing arm that will allow it to pivot the panel up and
away for entry and exit.
The reason for this is I want all the switch's within arms reach. Why, welp
after breaking a gear leg on a bounced landing in a drifter I was unable to
hit the engine kill switch until we stopped sliding because my shoulder
strap's were tight and the dam panel was half a football field away! We were
lucky it didn't flip and no gas leaked but if it had, I was not able to hit
the mains and that's bad.
Now if you ever have flown a drifter it's like a breezy you are out front
and in the open with nothing on the left or right so you want nice tight
shoulder straps.
Anyway I plan a split panel with the right side being fix and the left side
moveable..
We will see but that's the plan
Ken
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykol" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
Ken,
I mounted my switches above me in the center in a small panel box from Radio
Shack. Works great - easy to reach and out of the way.
Jim
Mark III
Charlotte, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Panel
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
>
>
> In don't have KIT two yet but I have sat in the Demo flyer,
> My plan for the instrument panel is to mount it on the left side of the
cage
> over my legs on a swing arm that will allow it to pivot the panel up and
> away for entry and exit.
>
> The reason for this is I want all the switch's within arms reach. Why,
welp
> after breaking a gear leg on a bounced landing in a drifter I was unable
to
> hit the engine kill switch until we stopped sliding because my shoulder
> strap's were tight and the dam panel was half a football field away! We
were
> lucky it didn't flip and no gas leaked but if it had, I was not able to
hit
> the mains and that's bad.
>
> Now if you ever have flown a drifter it's like a breezy you are out front
> and in the open with nothing on the left or right so you want nice tight
> shoulder straps.
>
> Anyway I plan a split panel with the right side being fix and the left
side
> moveable..
>
> We will see but that's the plan
>
> Ken
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Jack,
Would it need to be SEALED at the bottom ?
Maybe if the aluminum chute was close enough tolerance ,the vacum would take care
of the lower part of the chute leaking...?
c'mon back Jack...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
P.S. Hey Richard,
Do you think it would still be bad to use the silicone if it
was a tight fit ? and isn't the high temp stuff alittle bit tougher ?
Do not archive
SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>
I never saw any silicone that didn't swell up and go goofy from gasoline.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>Hey Jack,
> I like your project
> But I don't like the JB weld.
I think screws could be slightly counter sunk ( or a safety wire ) and a high temp
silicone could be used to seal the area below.
Do Not Archive
---
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> Ken,
>
> I mounted my switches above me in the center in a small panel box from
Radio
> Shack. Works great - easy to reach and out of the way.
>
> Jim
> Mark III
> Charlotte, NC
Me too,
I made a stainless steel box for the key switch, kill switch, accessory
switches an circuit breakers, mounts above and in front of my head right in
the middle and works great.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Jack's Project |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
The word in the past has been silicon and gas don't mix - that is the
silicon breaks down and pieces end up plugging the ports and jets in the
carb. I wouldn't put Pro-Seal in a carb either - it been know to come
loose in tanks, at least the sloshing compound has. JB Weld? T-88 epoxy
might work but its expensive for a two bottle 8 or 16 fl oz kit. We used
it to adhere a flat threaded flange to the bottom of a fiber glass fuel
tank. No problem with it.
jerb
At 05:11 PM 12/16/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>
> Hey Jack,
> Would it need to be SEALED at the bottom ?
> Maybe if the aluminum chute was close enough tolerance ,the vacum would
> take care of the lower part of the chute leaking...?
>
> c'mon back Jack...
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
> P.S. Hey Richard,
> Do you think it would still be bad to use the
> silicone if it was a tight fit ? and isn't the high temp stuff alittle
> bit tougher ?
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>
>I never saw any silicone that didn't swell up and go goofy from gasoline.
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> >Hey Jack,
> > I like your project
>
> > But I don't like the JB weld.
>I think screws could be slightly counter sunk ( or a safety wire ) and a
>high temp silicone could be used to seal the area below.
>
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
>---
>Sometimes you just have to take the leap
>and build your wings on the way down...
> Gotta Fly...
>
>
>Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com!
>http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: extended panel alternative? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
When setting mine up, I used Saab car seat belts. I badly wanted to use the
inertial reels, but they weighed far too much. (6 or 8 lbs each) Now,
you've got me thinking again.................the ones I installed in my VW
Baja Bug are much lighter and more compact.
Hmmmmm.......................... Lar.
P.S. - I finally gave up and called today to tell the A&P to put Vamoose
back together, and I'll take it somewhere else. He interrupted me, and said
the landing gear is done, and ready for the heat treater. 'Bout bloody
time.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: extended panel alternative?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
>
>
> An alternative to extending the panel that you may wish to consider is
> installing seat belts with an inertial lock. This should allow you to
> still lean forward and reach the gauges on a standard (non-extended)
panel.
> Not sure what the additional cost for this would be. Any folks out there
> with inertially locking seat belt installed?
>
> regards,
> Erich Weaver
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-Silicone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
If you think maybe a certain type of silicone would work, squirt some on a
piece of scrap, let it dry, subject it to gasoline and see what happens.
You might find something that works. Or decide that it won't.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 05:11 PM 12/16/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>
> P.S. Hey Richard,
> Do you think it would still be bad to use the
> silicone if it was a tight fit ? and isn't the high temp stuff alittle
> bit tougher ?
>
>Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Jack's Project |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Silicone, not silicon.Silicon won't mix with much of anything--sand has
a lotta silicon.
Bob N.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Kolb List...HondaJet announcement |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Here ya go fellas...Just so you all can say ya heard it here first..(right
after the AP)
Associated Press
Honda completes initial flight tests of jet powered by its own engine
Tuesday December 16, 1:51 am ET
(AP) -- Honda Motor Co. completed test flights in the United States of an
experimental Honda aircraft powered by a jet engine developed by Honda, the
Japanese automaker said Tuesday.
The six-seater business jet called HondaJet, scheduled for 200 hours of
additional flight-tests, is the first outfitted with Honda's own engine, the
HF118, which has been tested on other manufacturers' aircraft.
The HondaJet is more fuel-efficient and roomier than conventional jets
because of the strategic way the engines are positioned on the wing. The jet
finished initial flight tests this month at Piedmont Triad Airport in North
Carolina, the Tokyo-based company said.
Honda, which carries out research in humanoid robots as well as aviation,
called the plane a "milestone" for the company.
"It is very rare for a single company to make both the engine and the body
of a jet," said company official Tetsuya Ikeda.
Both the jet and the engine are for research, and the company has no plans
to offer them as commercial products, Ikeda said.
Honda is carrying out feasibility studies to possibly sell a piston engine
it is developing for smaller passenger planes. The engine on the HondaJet is
a turbofan engine.
Japan's second-biggest automaker began research into compact business jets
in 1986, but it had been using other manufacturers' engines, Honda said.
Don Gherardini
Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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