---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/18/03: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:03 AM - engine conversion (ronnie wehba) 2. 05:07 AM - Re: [ Dale Sellers ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (GeoR38@aol.com) 3. 05:08 AM - Re: Where is Uncle Craig? (Gherkins Tim-rp3420) 4. 05:25 AM - Re: engine conversion (Kirk Smith) 5. 05:28 AM - Re: [ Dale Sellers ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Dale Sellers) 6. 06:15 AM - Re: [ Brian Stenger ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Denny Rowe) 7. 06:27 AM - Re: [ Dale Sellers ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Denny Rowe) 8. 09:16 AM - usu wright flyer (boyd young) 9. 11:27 AM - Seasons Greetings (John Hauck) 10. 01:19 PM - Re: Seasons Greetings (Jim Clayton) 11. 01:20 PM - Re: Kolbra Update (Jim Ballenger) 12. 02:16 PM - Re:W&O (Thom Riddle) 13. 03:29 PM - Re: Jack's Project (Jack & Louise Hart) 14. 03:59 PM - Re: Seasons Greetings (Don Gherardini) 15. 04:55 PM - Re: Re:W&O (Denny Rowe) 16. 05:39 PM - Re: Seasons Greetings (Denny Rowe) 17. 10:13 PM - 100th Anniversary flight (RPHanks@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:36 AM PST US From: "ronnie wehba" Subject: Kolb-List: engine conversion --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" have you guys seen this looks like he may be on to a good idea! http://www.nessaaircraft.net/index.htm ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:37 AM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Dale Sellers ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 12/18/03 12:06:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, pictures@matronics.com writes: > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/dsel1@bellsouth.net.1.12.17.2003/index.html > > Dale, do you have any concerns about trailering backwards? It is a beautiful ship, congratulations...now we need to see some flying shots george Randolph ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:43 AM PST US From: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Where is Uncle Craig? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 Paul/ Gang, Uncle Craig and myself did not make our initial flight yesterday. It's great to make a goal date and a bummer not to make the goal date. The plane is still having some custom work done on it. However, yesterday evening we met at the hanger (garage) where the plane is kept and serious consideration went thru our minds to tie a rope to the Xtra and pull it behind my 4x4 like a tethered glider to just get some air under the wings. Instead, we settled to fly a remote control model of the Wright Flyer at the local grass park across the street. Funny, I took the day off to put the finishing touches on the RC Wright Flyer, watch the WINGS channel and news, and knock out some work on my firestar. Not much on the news, WINGS did not have anything on about Kitty Hawk until the evening, with an hour special. I was out flying the RC Flyer during the afternoon and not many noticed. Still what an event and what great inventors and scientist! Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Petty Subject: Kolb-List: Where is Uncle Craig? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Anyone hear if Craig made his planned first flight today? pp do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:08 AM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: engine conversion --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" That guy is up in Woody's area. Not a lot of details on performance with that engine. Most reports I've read has the Suzuki/Geo engine as being underpowered. Maybe this guy has solved that problem. Kirk " have you guys seen this looks like he may be on to a good idea!" > http://www.nessaaircraft.net/index.htm ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:59 AM PST US From: "Dale Sellers" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Dale Sellers ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" I have some video bur no stills yet. I'll be glad to get some and post. Yes, I don't like trailering backward. That's the way the trailer was set up. I'm in the process of rebuilding the trailer so I can trailer the plane foreword. I have to go slow while moving it backwards. The wind plays havoc with the tail surfaces. I have to go about 8 miles to the field I fly out of. Dale Sellers Georgia Ultra Star ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Dale Sellers ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com > > In a message dated 12/18/03 12:06:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, > pictures@matronics.com writes: > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/dsel1@bellsouth.net.1.12.17.2003/index.html > > > > > Dale, do you have any concerns about trailering backwards? It is a beautiful > ship, congratulations...now we need to see some flying shots > > george Randolph > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:52 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Brian Stenger ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Email List Photo Shares" > > Subject: 1987 Kolb Firestar > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/firestar1@fiberpipe.net.12.17.2003/index.html > Great lookink bird Brian, Congratulations! Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:56 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Dale Sellers ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Email List Photo Share Available! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares > > > A new Email List Photo Share is available: > > Poster: Dale Sellers > > > Subject: Ultra Star Restoration > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/dsel1@bellsouth.net.1.12.17.2003/index.html Nice job Dale! I love those old Ultrastars. Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:07 AM PST US From: "boyd young" Subject: Kolb-List: usu wright flyer --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" i had a real good flight yesterday..... the brigham airport was just about as busy as sun n fun on the opening day.... while all the aircraft was landing i was trying to get out... had to keep put till the taxi way was clear of incomng traffic to squeese out... i watched the flight of the flyer from the traffic patern then exited and went for a ride along the mountain ridges at 7500 ft. what a blast. his first flight ended up at 17 seconds as it floated a bit when he wanted to come down... the second was 50 seconds as he ran out of runway and had to set down early the third was some figure 8's at 50 ft agl. do not archive. boyd ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:27:48 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Kolb-List: Seasons Greetings --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Hi Everyone: Merry Xmas and Happy New Year! Hope everyone of you all have a healthy, happy, and prosperous 2004. I celebrated the Wright's first 100 years of aviation yesterday by flying Miss P'fer, my MK III, from my grass airstrip in the cow pasture to the local airport, 08A, and back. Although it was cold and windy, the sky was perfectly clear and blue. The air was crisp and clean. Miss P'fer and I were both happy to get out of the hanger and into the air. The Wright Brothers, what an accomplishment! Take care, john h hauck's holler, alabama MK III 1,955.4 hrs 912ULS 609.5 hrs DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:58 PM PST US From: Jim Clayton Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Seasons Greetings --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton Hi John/All, Good to hear from you! As I labor away on my plane, I like to hear about what it is like to fly :) Hope you have a great holiday. See you at Monument valley in the spring. -Jim Jim Clayton California Mark-3X, Building -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck Subject: Kolb-List: Seasons Greetings --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Hi Everyone: Merry Xmas and Happy New Year! Hope everyone of you all have a healthy, happy, and prosperous 2004. I celebrated the Wright's first 100 years of aviation yesterday by flying Miss P'fer, my MK III, from my grass airstrip in the cow pasture to the local airport, 08A, and back. Although it was cold and windy, the sky was perfectly clear and blue. The air was crisp and clean. Miss P'fer and I were both happy to get out of the hanger and into the air. The Wright Brothers, what an accomplishment! Take care, john h hauck's holler, alabama MK III 1,955.4 hrs 912ULS 609.5 hrs DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:32 PM PST US From: "Jim Ballenger" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolbra Update --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" John Your tank looks great. Jim Ballenger Flying a FS KXP 447 Building a MK III X Virginia Beach, VA DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Williamson" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolbra Update > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" > Now to build a mount for it, plumb it and close the fuselage back up. > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > Kolb Kolbra: 508 hours, Rotax 912 ULS > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/ > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:24 PM PST US From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Kolb-List: re:W&O --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" Anyone interested in reading a great book about the Wright Brothers' adventures in inventing powered flight, check out "Dawn Over Kitty Hawk" by Walter J. Boyne. A really great read full of the intriguing history of their adventures and their competitors efforts as well. Do Not Archive Thom in Buffalo ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:25 PM PST US From: Jack & Louise Hart Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Jack's Project --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart At 05:11 PM 12/16/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" > > Hey Jack, > Would it need to be SEALED at the bottom ? > Maybe if the aluminum chute was close enough tolerance ,the vacum would take care of the lower part of the chute leaking...? > > c'mon back Jack... > > Gotta Fly... > Mike in MN > P.S. Hey Richard, > Do you think it would still be bad to use the silicone if it was a tight fit ? and isn't the high temp stuff alittle bit tougher ? > >Do not archive > Mike, When the fuel and oil mixture spit back through the carburetor, the engine is running well below cruise speed (taxiing etc.), and so the fuel will volatilize but the oil will not. The oil will collect in the bottom of the bib. In my case, I have a long taxi back to the hangar and another long taxi out to the runway, so quite a bit of oil will accumulate in the bib. If the bib is not sealed the accumulated oil will slowly leak through the crack and drop onto the air filter and finally it will drop onto the wing of the FireFly. If a drop comes from the air filter while the engine is running, it may end up on one of the tail feathers. But to counter the previous statement, I was taking some measurements and I had to remove the air filter from the carburetor. I was not careful and I put pressure on one side of the bib and the JB Weld popped loose from the carburetor on one side of the bib. I thought I should pop the whole thing out, clean the mating surfaces and re-seal with JB Weld. After looking at it again I noticed the JB Weld had not come loose from the bib, so I just left it as it was. The bib spring force must keep the gap small enough and the viscosity of the oil is high enough so that no oil has leaked on the wing. This indicates that if one had a precision bib made and the carburetor inlet turned to receive it, one would not have to use sealant. I have a poor man's machine shop, that consists of a drill press and drills, some files, a vice, tin snips etc, a wire feed welder and JB Weld. For the amount you get, JB Weld may seem expensive, but it can greatly reduce costs when it prevents a mach ine shop time purchase. But when a warm day comes along, I will be replacing the original bib with the latest design. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO Jack & Louise Hart jbhart@ldd.net ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:45 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Seasons Greetings --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Hi John, gang Well ya dang'ed ole bama reb,,.I'm sure jealous!..I wanted to celebrate the anniversery the same way...But all I could do was drive over to the airpark..watch the horizontal blowin snow from inside the hangar...and shivver...(It never has let up..still going on today) so I gave the Flagfly a rub and a pat..and then drove back home wishing for better weather!. Happy Holidays to you and yours! DO NOT ARCHIVE Don Gherardini FireFly 098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:56 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re:W&O --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Kolb-List: re:W&O > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" > > Anyone interested in reading a great book about the Wright Brothers' adventures in inventing powered flight, check out "Dawn Over Kitty Hawk" by Walter J. Boyne. A really great read full of the intriguing history of their adventures and their competitors efforts as well. > > Do Not Archive > > Thom in Buffalo Thom and others, Two other must reads about the Wrights are "Wind and Sand", and "The Bishops Boys", both are superlative, Wind and Sand is full of photos, notes, and letters from the brothers and makes a great coffee table book. The Bishops boys is an exhaustive biography that covers the Wright family in surprising depth. Those boys were second to no one born of man in ingenuity. Dennis Rowe Mk-3, PA ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:14 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Seasons Greetings --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" > Hi John, gang > > Well ya dang'ed ole bama reb,,.I'm sure jealous!..I wanted to celebrate the > anniversery the same way...But all I could do was drive over to the > airpark..watch the horizontal blowin snow from inside the hangar...and > shivver...(It never has let up..still going on today) so I gave the Flagfly > a rub and a pat..and then drove back home wishing for better weather!. > > Happy Holidays to you and yours! > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > Don Gherardini > FireFly 098 > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm > Don and John, You both have me beat, I have not seen my bird since 11-22. Right now there is to much snow on the ground to open the bi-fold hanger doors. Colder than a witches upper torso here in PA, and no hope of comitting aviation in sight. Due to the snow, I have not even been able to get into my normal winter routine of expanding my tiny airstrip. Wa Wa Wa ! I hope you all have a Blessed and safe Christmass. Dennis Rowe do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:17 PM PST US From: RPHanks@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: 100th Anniversary flight --> Kolb-List message posted by: RPHanks@aol.com Listers: I also was fortunate enough to get a log book entry on December 17, 2003. My boss was nice enough to let me have the afternoon off for the specific purpose of going to fly (new boss is nicer than the old one.) Everything just fell into place. It was the first enjoyable flyable day in over three weeks. I enjoyed a nice liesurely flight around the Rogue Valley for 1.1 hours. Thanks Wilbur and Orville.... I can't imagine making my first flight into a 21mph wind. New plane, new pilot. Those guys had some guts. Merry Christmas to all and a Happy New Year! Roger in Oregon