---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/20/03: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:42 AM - Re:Skis? (Thom Riddle) 2. 06:29 AM - Q&A (Paul Petty) 3. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: FireFly Video thumbs (Gary Thacker) 4. 07:35 AM - Carb-Mods (Mike Pierzina) 5. 07:38 AM - Fw: Re: FireFly Video (Larry Bourne) 6. 07:53 AM - Re: Skis? (Scott Trask) 7. 08:06 AM - New Prop (John Hauck) 8. 08:19 AM - Re: Carb-Mods (John Hauck) 9. 08:41 AM - Prop Tach (John Hauck) 10. 10:24 AM - Re: New Prop (Edward Chmielewski) 11. 10:27 AM - Re: Carb-Mods (Richard Pike) 12. 10:38 AM - Re: Prop Tach (Edward Chmielewski) 13. 10:50 AM - [ Scott Trask ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 14. 11:35 AM - Re: New Prop (John Hauck) 15. 11:35 AM - rivets (Paul Petty) 16. 11:46 AM - Re: New Prop (John Hauck) 17. 12:47 PM - Thinking out Load...He he he (Mike Pierzina) 18. 01:07 PM - Air speed indicator (Dale Sellers) 19. 01:09 PM - Re: Fw: Re: FireFly Video (Gary Thacker) 20. 01:11 PM - Lost my field.........thumbs (Gary Thacker) 21. 01:29 PM - Re: rivets (Bob Bean) 22. 03:15 PM - Re: rivets (James and Cathy Tripp) 23. 03:19 PM - Carbs (John Hauck) 24. 04:52 PM - Re: Skis? (Scott Trask) 25. 05:36 PM - Homer Kolb was at Kitty Hawk (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 26. 06:06 PM - Re: Skis? (Larry Bourne) 27. 06:25 PM - Lost my field HELP!!!!......thumbs (Gary Thacker) 28. 07:03 PM - Re: Lost my field HELP!!!!......thumbs (Earl & Mim Zimmerman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:16 AM PST US From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Kolb-List: Re:Skis? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" Here are a couple Canadian Challenger websites where you should be able to find great ski information. http://www.challenger.ca/ http://www.challenger.ca/owners.html Thom in Buffalo ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:02 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Q&A RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Thanks for the heads up John. Boy am I going have a ball with this. Already sent in two. I suggested that they read the tips and if they are valid, sent e-mails to the customers as "updates" or "revisions. This has been my only gripe with the factory thus far. After many phone calls to other builders of the "Kolbra" I have determined that the building instructions (wont call them plans) have not been updated from the beginning. Simple little things that could save first timers like me a lot of valuable time and money. Not to beat up on Kolb to much, they are great folks and I like them all, but a little quality control is needed. I think the main reason the building instructions on the Kolbra have not been updated is that not many customers/builders are going the "full build" route. And the quick builders like Bryan already know the "tricks" of construction. Heck I doubt Bryan even looks at the BI. I think this is a good move on Kolb's part. Just hope they carry through and get the info out to us so early in the building process. As for anyone thinking of starting a kit, unless you really like tinkering, or building parts (as I do). Go the quick build route......Save yourself a lot of time and apologies at the pearly gates! Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:54 AM PST US From: "Gary Thacker" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly Video thumbs --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary Thacker" Can someone repost the site for the video? Gary Souderton,Pa. >From: "Larry Bourne" >Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly Video >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:24:12 -0800 > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > >After many trials and tribulations, nail biting and table pounding, and >much >colorful language, I finally got this thing sorted out, and was just now >able to finally watch this neat video. Thanks Don - it's a goody. >Wore Out Lar. Do not Archive. > >Larry Bourne >Palm Springs, CA >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB >www.gogittum.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don Gherardini" >To: >Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly Video > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > > > > > Hey men..my brother shows up the airpark and with a new digital camera > > stuck in a round the neck wire harmonica holde and says "Here..punch >this > > buttonand it take 30 secs worth a video. Take your FireFly and make me a > > movie of around the patch once. OK I said...shes fast..but she wont get > > around the patch in 30 secs...he tells me that all i gotta do is watch >the > > clock,,and hit the button after 30 secs and it will take >another...ok..But > > Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:12 AM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Carb-Mods --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Hey Jack, I'm wondering if it would be easier to work with Brass, Then you could use solder to get the "Ring size" close and the "Chute angled up"... Did the Scan of the sketch go thru ? Gotta Fly... Mike in MN Do not archive SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Jack, I made a ruff sketch of a chute that I've been thinking about (your chute) and I thought it would have a "Cleaner" look if it had a "ring" that inserted into the carb inlet....loose enough to squeeze an O-Ring between the two,.... and then some sort of counter sunk screws to keep things in place... Glad to see the List settling back down again... Taker easy, Gotta Fly...Mike in MN --- Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:50 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Fw: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly Video --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Here's Don's original email, with the site listed below. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly Video > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > > Hey men..my brother shows up the airpark and with a new digital camera > stuck in a round the neck wire harmonica holde and says "Here..punch this > buttonand it take 30 secs worth a video. Take your FireFly and make me a > movie of around the patch once. OK I said...shes fast..but she wont get > around the patch in 30 secs...he tells me that all i gotta do is watch the > clock,,and hit the button after 30 secs and it will take another...ok..But > the wind is high...20 mph 90m deg from the strip...helluva cross wind. > minimal conditions for me and the movie will be lousy. Well After I thought > about it..I said oh well...gotta get one trip around the patch before I go > home.. > > Here is a link to his website where he posted this flic...it a big > download..8.4 meg I think...at the bottom of the page below all them RD > models.. > > but you lurkers who are thinking about building...here is how a FireFly > handles a crosswind...windsock is in the opening few seconds. > Just an amazin little bird huh! > > > http://www.dgmodels.rchomepage.com/index.htm > > > Don Gherardini > FireFly 098 > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Skis? From: Scott Trask (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> Kolb-List message posted by: Scott Trask on 12/19/03 7:45 PM, Richard Pike at rwpike@charter.net wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > Got a question for some of you guys in snowmobile country: > Been thinking of skis for the MKIII, Hi Richard & Guys If your interested in making up skis I just sent in photos of my skis in to Photo Share. Take a look there not much to look at. I made them from water skis with a plastic bottom and tubing for a frame. The plastic gives me a wider bottom for deeper snow. They also make a more durable bottom. I made up most of the skis from stuff that I already had lying around. Scott Trask IMT ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:02 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Kolb-List: New Prop --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Morning Gang: The installation and tuning of the new 72" 3 blade Warp Drive is progressing slowly, despite the wind, rain, and extremely cold temps for Alabama. I forgot to measure the pitch in degrees of the old 70" Warp before I pulled and disassembled it. So, I had to guess at the appropriate setting for the new Warp. I started out with 11.5 deg which produced 5,000 rpm static. I knew this was way to low. I am looking for 5,300. I went ahead and flew to see how the engine would perform loaded down. It was getting dark, but I had time for a quick circuit around the patch. As soon as I cleared the surrounding trees I realized how hard the wind was blowing and the turbulence. I turned on the panel lights to see the instruments and the oil pressure gauge started dropping. Turned off the lights and the gauge went back up to normal. Another problem to trouble shoot and repair. None of the other 12VDC accessories pulled down the oil press gauge. I was surprised, the 912ULS would only pull 5,000 WOT, straight and level flight. Oh well, time to quit and try another day. Yesterday went back over to Gantt International Airport. Pulled 2 deg out of the prop. This resulted in 5,400 rpm static. Wind was blowing 15-25 mph, but turbulence was minimal on the airstrip. This test flight, although rough as a cob at 2,000 feet, indicated 5,600 rpm WOT straight and level, which is 100 rpm above my goal of 5,500 rpm max continuous power. Don't ask me what my true airspeed was cause I was too busy holding on and the instrument panel was bouncing too much to see very well. However, it was hovering close to 100 mph. I tried several flights with the gps, averaging my reverse course speeds to see how accurate the ASI was, but with 25 mph winds aloft, it was not productive enough to say for sure. However, it did look like it was close to accurate at 90 and again at 80 mph. Loaded with me and 10 gal of fuel, Miss P'fer is like a sky rocket with the prop set to turn 5400 static. The 2,000 FPM VSI was pegged during all climbs at full throttle. Not bad for an old fat girl. Please do not tell her I said that. She is nearly as sensitive as some of us on the Kolb List. Today will go back and repitch one more time. .5 deg should give me 5300 rpm static and 5500 WOT straight and level flight. I may have to repitch another .5 deg when warm weather returns and the prop looses some of its efficiency to keep it at 5500 max. I am still undecided about using the prop spinner, which fits nicely and looks good. The reason is I can not see the 6 prop bolts. Prop bolts have been know to break. I can't preflight them if I can't see them. Is is May 2004 yet? I am ready to head West! Take care, john h PS: I think this info has a place for future reference in the Archives. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:09 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Carb-Mods --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Hey Jack, I made a ruff sketch of a chute that I've been > thinking about (your chute) and I thought it would have a > "Cleaner" look if it had a "ring" that inserted into the > carb inlet....loose enough to squeeze an O-Ring between > the two,.... and then some sort of counter sunk screws to > keep things in place... > > Glad to see the List settling back down again... Taker > easy, Gotta Fly...Mike in MN Hi Mike: I'm not in to two strokes much any more, but was curious to the effects of changing the inlet size of your carb by inserting a chute/"O" ring into it. Will that change fuel/air ratio? I discovered, when I was a kid, playing with my Dad's first powered rotary lawn mower, back in the early 50's, the nature of fuel standoff at the inlet of the carb. With the air cleaner off of the little Briggs 4 stroke running at 3600 rpm, there was a little cloud of fuel vapor hovering a few inches from the carb throat. Later on I discovered the same fuel stand off with two strokes and also on the 1935 Ford pickup 85 hp V8. Amazing! With a small air filter on a Rotax, it is easy to see how the fuel vapor standoff could saturate the filter and eventually drip. Instead of trying to funnel the oil back into the carb, how about building scuppers under the carb to catch the drips, then route to a catch can that can be dumped during preflight. That way you do not screw the characteristics of air flow to the carb. Thinking out load again, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:50 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Kolb-List: Prop Tach --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Hi Gang: I forgot to mention in my post, dialing in the new prop, that I probably need to to a prop check to determine if my tach is still telling me the truth. That should be done prior to dialing in the new prop. A prop tach is something we don't need very often, but are invaluable for calibrating the tach. I think the Rotax 912/912ULS tachs have a little screw in the back to change calibration. 'll find out when I pull the instrument panel to run down my 12VDC problem with the panel lights and oil pressure gauge. Anyone have a source for a good, reliable, inexpensive prop tach? I have heard of people using prop tachs designed for RC airplane engines. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:04 AM PST US From: "Edward Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Prop --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" Hi John/Kolbers, Just wondering John, why the prop change? If you discussed it earlier, I missed it. Thanks. Ed in JXN MkII/503 Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: New Prop > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > Morning Gang: > > The installation and tuning of the new 72" 3 blade Warp > Drive is progressing slowly, despite the wind, rain, and > extremely cold temps for Alabama. (Snip) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:32 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Carb-Mods --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Has anybody ever experimented with velocity stacks to deal with that fuel cloud / standoff? My thinking is that if there was a channeled column of air keeping that cloud inside of the engine instead of pulsing back and forth in and out of the carb, the engine ought to be more efficient, and the amount of oil in the filter ought to be more constant. Thoughts? Richard Pike MKIII N4220P (420ldPoops) At 10:18 AM 12/20/03 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > >I discovered, when I was a kid, playing with my Dad's first >powered rotary lawn mower, back in the early 50's, the >nature of fuel standoff at the inlet of the carb. With the >air cleaner off of the little Briggs 4 stroke running at >3600 rpm, there was a little cloud of fuel vapor hovering a >few inches from the carb throat. Later on I discovered the >same fuel stand off with two strokes and also on the 1935 >Ford pickup 85 hp V8. Amazing! With a small air filter on >a Rotax, it is easy to see how the fuel vapor standoff could >saturate the filter and eventually drip. Instead of trying >to funnel the oil back into the carb, how about building >scuppers under the carb to catch the drips, then route to a >catch can that can be dumped during preflight. That way you >do not screw the characteristics of air flow to the carb. > >Thinking out load again, > >john h > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:42 AM PST US From: "Edward Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Tach --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" Hi John, Here's a nice little electronic tach, works on 2, 3 or 4-blade props. Only 25 bucks. I used mine to check the Swearingen Merlin IIIB i flew a couple years back, accurate to a couple tenths of a percent. You must use them in daylight only though, 60-cycle AC from shop lights (like in your hangar) messes up the readings. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXPX81&P=7 Here's another nice 25 dollar gizzy, an infrared temp gauge. Test your microwaved pizza without burning your thumb (or your CHT!). Tower Hobbies is the 800-pound gorilla of RC retailers, very good company. http://www.towerhobbies.com/products/duratrax/dtxp3100.html Ed in JXN ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Prop Tach > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > Hi Gang: (Snip) > Anyone have a source for a good, reliable, inexpensive prop > tach? I have heard of people using prop tachs designed for > RC airplane engines. > > Take care, > > john h > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:50 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: [ Scott Trask ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Scott Trask Subject: Skis http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/sctrask@diisd.org.12.20.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:54 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Prop --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Just wondering John, why the prop change? > Ed in JXN MkII/503 Hello Ed/Gang: Had a 70" Warp on the 912. That was the longest blade Warp could build with the Nickel Steel Leading Edge Protection, at that time. When I upgraded to the 912ULS, Warp had developed technology to build a 72" prop and increased the steel edge from 11" to 15". The additional length of the steel edge covered a critical area that extended 3" inboard of the old 11" edge. It was in this area that rain erosion occurred. No more problem with the longer edge. After more than 100 flight hours with the 72" Warp and two inch extension, I had a blade strike on the left inboard end of the flap on start up. That happened a few days prior to departure to Alaska, 2001. I didn't have a longer prop extension, at that time, so cut an inch off each blade. While at Oshkosh, this year, Daryl had a new system, polished and improved HPL Hub and neat white tips on the blades. Yes, and a nicely fitted spinner. With more than 600 hours on the old system, Daryl agreed to give me another prop. Warp Drive has been my prop sponsor since September 1993. Good folks to do business with. Tell'em Hauck sent you. :-) Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:54 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: rivets RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Kolbers, Do any of you recall how many rivets your plans call for on the main rib flange? My B I call for four on each side in the "text" but show 5 on the rivet pattern. Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:10 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Prop --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Hello Gang: Forgot to mention in the last post: Flying with a 4" prop extension with the 72" Warp Drive. john h ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:50 PM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Thinking out Load...He he he --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Hi John, I haven't even ran the "Break-in" for my 503 yet....and I'll keep things "Stock" for awhile , But I just went out to the garage and pulled the filter off to look at the area of this carb mod.... it doesn't look like it would starve air flow because the air intake gets even smaller as it goes in... but as I was looking at it I was wondering why the Chute couldn't attach to the filter instead of the carb.... Same with your idea about catching it to drain later... But for now I'll just have to be happy with wiping off the oil spray. Gotta Fly... Mike in MN Do not archive SNIP>>>>>>>>> Hi Mike: I'm not in to two strokes much any more, but was curious to the effects of changing the inlet size of your carb by inserting a chute/"O" ring into it. Will that change fuel/air ratio? Thinking out load again, john h Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:31 PM PST US From: "Dale Sellers" Subject: Kolb-List: Air speed indicator --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" Anybody got an extra ASI laying around you want to get rid of? 3 1/8", 0-80ish. Let me know. Dale Sellers Georgia Ultra Star do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:36 PM PST US From: "Gary Thacker" Subject: RE: Fw: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly Video --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary Thacker" Thanks Larry very cool video Gary Souderton,Pa. Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:41 PM PST US From: "Gary Thacker" Subject: Kolb-List: Lost my field.........thumbs SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary Thacker" Well civilization closed in on me. I lost my field out in Royersford Pa. I am looking for another place to fly out of. Does anyone know of a place I can keep and fly my Firestar ll? Thanks for the help Gary Souderton,Pa. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:14 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rivets --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Paul, doesn't make a whole lot of difference, I know I put in less than the last guy who built my crumpled wing. My rivet patterns are guided more by symmetry and "does it look pretty". -BB Paul Petty wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > >Kolbers, >Do any of you recall how many rivets your plans call for on the main rib flange? My B I call for four on each side in the "text" but show 5 on the rivet pattern. > >Paul Petty >Building Ms. Dixie >Kolbra/912UL/Warp > > >do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:18 PM PST US From: "James and Cathy Tripp" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rivets --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" My FSII plans called for 8 rivets in each flange, 4 on the front of the spar and 4 on the back. NONE ON THE TOP OR BOTTOM! James Tripp FSII, still painting ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: rivets > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Kolbers, > Do any of you recall how many rivets your plans call for on the main rib flange? My B I call for four on each side in the "text" but show 5 on the rivet pattern. > > Paul Petty > Building Ms. Dixie > Kolbra/912UL/Warp > > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:44 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Kolb-List: Carbs --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > look at the area of this carb mod.... it doesn't look > like it would starve air flow because the air intake gets > even smaller as it goes in... > Mike in MN Do not archive Hi Mike/All: Do you think the Bing engineers designed the intake on their carbs in that shape for any particular reason? I was thinking if one should change the shape of the bell of the inlet of the carb, it could also affect other performance characteristics of the carb. If that was the case, one would soon run out of steam chasing his tail trying to cure all the carb problems he had created for himself. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Skis? From: Scott Trask (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> Kolb-List message posted by: Scott Trask on 12/20/03 9:52 AM, Scott Trask at sctrask@diisd.org wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Scott Trask > > on 12/19/03 7:45 PM, Richard Pike at rwpike@charter.net wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike >> >> Got a question for some of you guys in snowmobile country: >> Been thinking of skis for the MKIII, > > Hi Richard & Guys > If your interested in making up skis I just sent in photos of my skis in to > Photo Share. Take a look there not much to look at. I made them from water > skis with a plastic bottom and tubing for a frame. The plastic gives me a > wider bottom for deeper snow. They also make a more durable bottom. I made > up most of the skis from stuff that I already had lying around. > Scott Trask IMT Hi again One think I forgot to point out about the photos. You will see wheels on the skis. They are just on there to get the plane in and out of the hangar. They just slip on and off. If you get up and flying with skis and start dropping in some remote trackless lakes. It would be a good idea to find a good place to put a pair of snow shoes in your plane. Hopefully you will not need them to walk out, but you may need them to make a runway. When I land on such lakes I will do a few touch and goes first. Take good look at my tracks and check for slush. I had once landed on a lake and step out of the plane (to do some ice fishing) and took one step and went over my knees and half of it was slush. The plane sat there as nice as can be with those big skis on. Merry Christmas. Scott Trask IMT ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:29 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Homer Kolb was at Kitty Hawk --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com I didn't go, but eight fellow members of South Jersey EAA Chapter 216 did. On the way home they had stopped to eat somewhere and in the diner saw a fellow who looked familiar (our chapter, being close to Phoneixville, Pa had visited Homers place several years ago). One of our members said to this fellow, "Do we kown you? You look like someone we've seen before". After some conversation, the gentelman said, "I'm Homer Kolb". He said they had driven down, stayed overnight and were now heading home. Do Not Archive Bill Varnes Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:26 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Skis? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" How on earth did you get it out of there ?? Hmmm.............this awful desert's looking a little better. :-) Brrrrrr...... Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Trask" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Skis? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Scott Trask > > on 12/20/03 9:52 AM, Scott Trask at sctrask@diisd.org wrote: > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Scott Trask > > > > on 12/19/03 7:45 PM, Richard Pike at rwpike@charter.net wrote: > > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > >> > >> Got a question for some of you guys in snowmobile country: > >> Been thinking of skis for the MKIII, > > > > Hi Richard & Guys > > If your interested in making up skis I just sent in photos of my skis in to > > Photo Share. Take a look there not much to look at. I made them from water > > skis with a plastic bottom and tubing for a frame. The plastic gives me a > > wider bottom for deeper snow. They also make a more durable bottom. I made > > up most of the skis from stuff that I already had lying around. > > Scott Trask IMT > > > Hi again > One think I forgot to point out about the photos. You will see wheels on > the skis. They are just on there to get the plane in and out of the hangar. > They just slip on and off. > If you get up and flying with skis and start dropping in some remote > trackless lakes. It would be a good idea to find a good place to put a pair > of snow shoes in your plane. Hopefully you will not need them to walk out, > but you may need them to make a runway. When I land on such lakes I will do > a few touch and goes first. Take good look at my tracks and check for slush. > I had once landed on a lake and step out of the plane (to do some ice > fishing) and took one step and went over my knees and half of it was slush. > The plane sat there as nice as can be with those big skis on. Merry > Christmas. > Scott Trask IMT > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:49 PM PST US From: "Gary Thacker" Subject: Kolb-List: Lost my field HELP!!!!......thumbs --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary Thacker" I tried to post this earlier but I don't think it got through. I am a victim of encroaching civilization. My field has succomb to a housing development. I am looking for a place to keep and fly my Firestar. I live about 40 miles north of Philadelphia Pa. between Lansdale and Quakertown. Does anyone know of a field where I can relocate? Thanks for the help Gary Souderton,Pa. Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:30 PM PST US From: Earl & Mim Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lost my field HELP!!!!......thumbs --> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman > I am looking for a place to keep and fly my Firestar. I live about 40 miles > north of Philadelphia Pa. between Lansdale and Quakertown. Does anyone know > of a field where I can relocate? Sorry to hear that you lost your flying field! We are in Lancaster Co. but that's a little far to go. I'm not that familiar down in that area, but there must be some place to fly. One guy around here keeps his Firestar II in his garage and flys out of his yard, (big yard) :-) Good luck! -- Earl