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1. 01:05 AM - 'Twas the Night Before Christmas (Edward Chmielewski)
2. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: 582 @ 5200 rpm's (Duncan McBride)
3. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: 582 @ 5200 rpm's (Larry Bourne)
4. 08:00 AM - Re: Yoopers (GeoR38@aol.com)
5. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: 582 @ 5200 rpm's (John Hauck)
6. 08:13 AM - Nikasil Cylinders (John Hauck)
7. 08:13 AM - Re: carbon buildup (Larry Bourne)
8. 08:17 AM - TBO's and Seafoam ... (artdog1512)
9. 08:24 AM - RedGreen lives ... again (artdog1512)
10. 08:29 AM - Re: Re: 582 @ 5200 rpm's (Kirk Smith)
11. 08:29 AM - Re: carbon buildup (GeoR38@aol.com)
12. 08:30 AM - Greetings from Iceland. (Johann)
13. 08:34 AM - Sport pilot update (Kirk Smith)
14. 10:01 AM - Re: TBO's and Seafoam ... (Ben Ransom)
15. 10:02 AM - Re: carbon buildup (Eugene Zimmerman)
16. 10:33 AM - Re: RedGreen lives ... again (woody)
17. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: 582 @ 5200 rpm's (Denny Rowe)
18. 10:46 AM - Re: 'Twas the Night Before Christmas (SR3SA2L1@aol.com)
19. 11:00 AM - Re: Nikasil Cylinders (Denny Rowe)
20. 11:10 AM - Re: TBO's and Seafoam ... (Eugene Zimmerman)
21. 11:12 AM - A Yooper Christmas (Bill Vincent)
22. 11:19 AM - Re: [Continues] Intermittent Internet Connectivity Issues to (Matt Dralle)
23. 12:43 PM - Re: Nikasil Cylinders (Don Gherardini)
24. 01:18 PM - 2cycle vs 4cycle (Paul Petty)
25. 01:47 PM - Re: 2cycle vs 4cycle (Larry Bourne)
26. 01:52 PM - Re: Sport pilot update (G. T. Alexander, Jr.)
27. 01:52 PM - Merry Christmas (John Cooley)
28. 02:25 PM - Re: Nikasil Cylinders (Olenik Aviation)
29. 02:28 PM - Re: 2cycle vs 4cycle (Don Gherardini)
30. 06:58 PM - Re: Nikasil Cylinders (Paul Petty)
31. 07:09 PM - Re: RedGreen lives ... again (Bob N.)
32. 09:34 PM - Re: TBO's and Seafoam ... (ul15rhb@juno.com)
33. 09:48 PM - Re: Nikasil Cylinders (Don Gherardini)
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| Subject: | 'Twas the Night Before Christmas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Thanks to Aero-News.Net:
'Twas The Night Before Christmas
(With Apologies To Major Henry Livingston, Jr.)
'Twas the night before
Christmas, and out on the ramp,
Not an airplane was stirring, not even a Champ.
The aircraft were fastened to tiedowns with care,
In hopes that come morning, they all would be there.
The fuel trucks were nestled, all snug in their spots,
With gusts from two-forty at 39 knots.
I slumped at the fuel desk, now finally caught up,
And settled down comfortably, resting my butt.
When the radio lit up with noise and with chatter,
I turned up the scanner to see what was the matter.
A voice clearly heard over static and snow,
Called for clearance to land at the airport below.
He barked his transmission so lively and quick,
I'd have sworn that the call sign he used was "St. Nick".
I ran to the panel to turn up the lights,
The better to welcome this magical flight.
He called his position, no room for denial,
"St. Nicholas One, turnin' left onto final."
And what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a Rutan-built sleigh, with eight Rotax Reindeer!
With vectors to final, down the glideslope he came,
As he passed all fixes, he called them by name:
"Now Ringo! Now Tolga! Now Trini and Bacun!
On Comet! On Cupid!" What pills was he takin'?
While controllers were sittin', and scratchin' their head,
They phoned to my office, and I heard it with dread,
The message they left was both urgent and dour:
"When Santa pulls in, have him please call the tower."
He landed like silk, with the sled runners sparking,
Then I heard "Left at Charlie," and "Taxi to parking."
He slowed to a taxi, turned off of three-oh
And stopped on the ramp with a "Ho, ho-ho-ho. "
He stepped out of the sleigh, but before he could talk,
I ran out to meet him with my best set of chocks.
His red helmet and goggles were covered with frost
And his beard was all blackened from Reindeer exhaust.
His breath smelled like peppermint, gone slightly stale,
And he puffed on a pipe, but he didn't inhale.
His cheeks were all rosy and jiggled like jelly,
His boots were as black as a cropduster's belly.
He was chubby and plump, in his suit of bright red,
And he asked me to "fill it, with hundred low-lead."
He came dashing in from the snow-covered pump,
I knew he was anxious for drainin' the sump.
I spoke not a word, but went straight to my work,
And I filled up the sleigh, but I spilled like a jerk.
He came out of the restroom, and sighed in relief,
Then he picked up a phone for a Flight Service brief.
And I thought as he silently scribed in his log,
These reindeer could land in an eighth-mile fog.
He completed his pre-flight, from the front to the rear,
Then he put on his headset, and I heard him yell, "Clear!"
And laying a finger on his push-to-talk,
He called up the tower for clearance and squawk.
"Take taxiway Charlie, the southbound direction,
Turn right three-two-zero at pilot's discretion"
He sped down the runway, the best of the best,
"Your traffic's a Grumman, inbound from the west."
Then I heard him proclaim, as he climbed thru the night,
"Merry Christmas to all! I have traffic in sight."
Anonymous
FMI: www.noradsanta.com
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| Subject: | Re: 582 @ 5200 rpm's |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
Actually, the TBO of new 912's is up to 1500 hours, and older ones can
extend it to this number if a few service bulletins are performed. I always
thought it had something to do with the ability in the four-stroke to pump
pure oil wherever you needed it to get the job done, where a two stroke has
to compromise in order to get the fuel into the compression chamber. I
rebuilt a few Triumph Bonnevilles years ago, and read about the vertical
twin a lot. The evolution of that basic design, first used in the thirties,
is really interesting. Virtually every modification included more elaborate
lubrication and additional oil passageways.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 582 @ 5200 rpm's
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> Boring, are you kidding? This is the most interesting thing in weeks.
> So now let me throw you a politically charged question - why does a Rotax
> 2-cycle have a TBO of 300-400 hours, and a Rotax 4-cycle have a TBO of
> 1,000 hours?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
>
>
> At 12:27 AM 12/24/03 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
> >
> >Tom/ and the gang,
> >
> >Whew...I hope this isnt to boreing for all the other fellas on this list.
I
> >guess if it is...like it has been said, you dont have to read what you
dont
> >want to.
>
> <snip>
>
>
> >Don Gherardini
> >FireFly 098
> >http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 @ 5200 rpm's |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I'm not even a 2 stroker, Don, and I've been thoroughly enjoying your posts.
Keep 'em coming, and Thanks. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 582 @ 5200 rpm's
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Tom/ and the gang,
>
> Whew...I hope this isnt to boreing for all the other fellas on this list.
I
> guess if it is...like it has been said, you dont have to read what you
dont
> want to.
> Nickle-silicon cyl coatings.
> in a previous life...of maybe I should say at a previous employer...I was
on
> a design team working on a 2 cyle chain saw engine. jeez..I hate to think
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 06:50 PM 12/22/2003, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>Rookie Yooper (A couple more flights to Scott's, and I may
>qualify as a full fledged Yooper with eligibility to join
>the Possum Lodge and get an autograph from Red Green)
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
Yoopers are kind of an odd mixture of people. Watching them in an
objective sort of way they remind me of "The Red Green Show," "Northern
Exposure," and a strange and bewildering twist of world cultures, but they
are some of the nicest people you'd ever like to meet, and they are unlike
any other people anywhere else in the world. The term "Yooper" is slang
for a person who lives in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, or the "U.P."
(the area north of Wisconsin and Lake Michigan). Those who live in the
Lower Peninsula are called "Trolls," because they live below the bridge
(<http://www.mackinacbridge.org/>Mackinac Bridge that connects the U.P. to
the rest of the state). During Deer Hunting Season, the Trolls are also
called "Apple Knockers" because it is generally believed that they couldn't
hit the broadside of a barn if it had a huge red target painted on it, and
rather than actually hitting deer, they just knock the apples off the trees.
<snip>
Well, here I am visiting my daughter's family in Fenton Michigan (like dummies
my wife and I come north from Fla. in the winter, so we prove OUR weirdness),
and I could never figure out til just now .....living here in Troll country temporarily,
why my daughter explains away this state as "weird".
Thank you possum, John, et al
GEorge Randolph
Firestar driver from The Villages
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| Subject: | Re: 582 @ 5200 rpm's |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> So now let me throw you a politically charged question - why does a Rotax
> 2-cycle have a TBO of 300-400 hours, and a Rotax 4-cycle have a TBO of
> 1,000 hours?
>
> Richard Pike
Morning Richard/Don/All:
Rotax 912 series 4-cycle engines now have a TBO of 1,500 hours.
I started flying in front of Nikasil cylinders in 1993, 1750 hours ago, with
a 600 hour TBO. Then it went to 1000, 1200, and now 1500 hours. As user
testing increases in time, Rotax keeps increasing TBO. I like it.
The best information I have indicates there have been no cylinder
replacements in 912 series engines. That info was as of January 2000 when I
picked up my 912ULS. At that time there were over 7,000 912's delivered
during the previous 10 years.
The 912 series uses water cooled heads and aircooled cylinders. I
understand Rotax wanted a straight air cooled engine, but in order to keep
CHT down the cooling fins would have been as big as the airplanes they were
powering. There fore, liquid cooled heads keep the engine size nice and
neat. A tidbit I learned in the 912 school was, primary 912 engine cooling
is oil. Rotax operated a 912 for two hours with zero water coolant. A word
to the wise: If you blow a radiator hose, or see a drastic rise in CHT,
reduce power, find a good forced landing area, and land. Do not kill the
engine to save it, and in the long run break your airplane, and possibly
your body.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Nikasil Cylinders |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> As previously mentioned...a Nikasil cylinder cannot be bored out without
> recoating..and no USA company is doing these coatings to my knowledge due
to
> the EPA regulations the apply to the process..so if you get a single
stripe
> down the cylinder wall...its a new jug...
> The resistance to dirt injestion is better than it was in the
begining..but
> still a long way from a cast iron or steel cyl liner., so it cannot be
> judged as durable as a "conventional" cylinder.
> Cost a helluva lot for a manufacturer to buy these jugs...and the end
user.
> However.....The heat transfer qualities are second to none at the level of
> technology today for a material that is porus enough for an oil film to
> adhere to.
> Hard cast aluminum alloys can be used for cylinders instead of a steel
liner
> and coated...reducing the overall weight...bringing expansion rates of
> piston and cylinder very close together, which is a very good thing.
> Allowing an engine to be designed with tighter skirt/wall clearances..less
> ring tension...(which is less parasitic load and less bore wear)
> And Yes, I have seen that engine company make those claims about
> invunerability to Shock Cooling....And I believe that its probably true
due
> to this combination of pistons and cylinders, Although I have no direct
> expierience with them.
> Also...an aircraft engine operates in generally a clean air enviroment for
> the bulk of its time...so by nature they are less prone to prolonged dirt
> injestion.
> Many high performance engine applications have begun to use Nikasil coated
> cylinders..including auto racing..I have no doubt it is because they can
> simply get the heat out of the piston better..and therfore run a hotter
> fuel..or a higher BMEP...(Brake mean effective pressure)..(basically just
> more power).
> Don Gherardini
Don/All:
All the above comments, generally describe the 912 engine.
I built my Son's Yamaha 426 thumper, the first of last year. Had the
nikasil cylinder redone at a shop in Auburn, Alabama. Looks like new.
Costs $150. Much less than a new cylinder. Reason for damaged cylinder:
Transmission gears came apart. Hardened steel does a job on any kind of
cylinder wall.
The piston to cylinder wall clearance for the 912 engine :
New: 0.000 to 0.0008 inch
Wear limit: 0.005 inch
The "new" clearances should get some comments from you all. The numbers
come right out of the 912 Shop Manual, 1994.
I can not remember the name of the company that did the cylinder. Lost all
my bookmarks. The company is based in England and has facilities in Auburn,
AL, and other countries.
Don's explanation may explain some reasons why the 912's are expensive
engines. They are built to very close tolerences. The UL series 912's are
the same engines as their certified engines. The only difference is the
paper trail and serial numbered parts, plus a little longer bench test.
I don't think Rotax has a problem with cylinder durability with 912 engines.
Yes, air at altitude is very dirty, even when it looks clean. You should
see the dirt collected on the leading edges of everything on Miss P'fer
after several long days of flying.
I took the liberty to change the subject line.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:carbon buildup |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
That durned ol' Possum's a S--- disturber............don't pay him no mind,
and swat him if'n ya get close enuf. Bob N. is right, and it's why I poked
at Possum (??) about it. Seafoam has been beat to miserable death a few
times in the past, and the archives must be aching full of messages about
it. I can see that evil glint in Possums' eyes..........from clear across
the country.......... :-) Lar. Do not Archive.
P.S. Hey, Possum, why don'tcha put a pic of your jacket on photoshare ??
I like it, and it'll give everyone a chuckle. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:carbon buildup
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Zim....
> Seafoam....
> I have never used it...dont know how it works....cant say a thing here as
I
> am completey ignorant on the subject.
> Doubt if I ever will because when I have an engine that needs something
done
> to it..I cant wait to tear it down and fix whatever it needs..look inside
it
> and see why...I just like wrenchs I reckon.....!
>
> Don Gherardini
> FireFly 098
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
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| Subject: | TBO's and Seafoam ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: artdog1512 <nazz57@yahoo.com>
Time: 10:48:19 PM PST US
From: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 582 @ 5200 rpm's
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike
<rwpike@charter.net>
Boring, are you kidding? This is the most interesting
thing in weeks.
So now let me throw you a politically charged question
- why does a
Rotax
2-cycle have a TBO of 300-400 hours, and a Rotax
4-cycle have a TBO of
1,000 hours?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
your right bro! this talk on 4 strokes has
been very interesting....
in answer to your question about TBO's... that's
a never ending issue.. much like the Seafoam debate..
what can i say? .... no nothing tim
do not archive
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| Subject: | RedGreen lives ... again |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: artdog1512 <nazz57@yahoo.com>
i watch RedGreen every week on my local PBS
station.. love the show... everyone on this list
should watch it... full of wisdom and yes, duct
tape..if Red doesn't know it, it can't be known. ...
let's face it, Ultralighting is made up of the kinda
people that identify with that kinda program....
i gotta date tonight, i'm gonna go brush my teeth
with Seafoam.......... tim
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 582 @ 5200 rpm's |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Wonder if a two stroke firing on every stroke and a four stroke firing on
every other stroke has anything to do with the difference in TBO? Finally
got to fly today as the ceilings are all the way up to 700 agl. Dodging
snow squalls.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:carbon buildup |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
Don, I dunno much about engines, pal, but I get the the impression from this thread
of yours that ....you are good....you are real good. Thank the Lord for cloudy
days and your impatience.
George Randolph
Firestar driver from The Villages
<snip>
These companies have ettempted to get the lubricants flash point closer to
that of gasoline and duplicate the burn rates, so we have a more complete
and even burn of the fuel mixture and nothing is left behind. Therein lies
their advantages (of synthetics), not how slipperey they are...for that really
is not an
issue as long as the alum piston does not touch the cyl wall...and the
clearance is maintained by what ever medium is there..nothing can be gained.
Well men..got kinda long winded again...it is a slow day at the office...My
sec....err.. I mean administrative assistant is hollering at me and the
eggnog is begining to be served downstairs...Looks like I'm going to be able
to quit thinking of infernal combustion engines for awhile and enjoy a few
holidays with time off!!!!
Happy Holidays, and to all of you in better climates suitable for commit'n
aviation...Blue Skies!
Don Gherardini
Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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| Subject: | Greetings from Iceland. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Dear list members.
I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Thank you all for
your support and friendship.
Hope the new year will bring you lots of happy flying and building
moments.
For those who have been spending too many hours in the shop, building
aircraft: Stop what you have been doing and give the best gift to your
family and friends this year.
Give Notice.
Best wishes,
Johann G.
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| Subject: | Sport pilot update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
The following is quoted from http://www.usua.org/ 12-24-03
12/24/2003: Sport Pilot News
USUA received a phone call at 10AM EST, December 24, 2003 from Sue Gardner of
FAA informing us that late yesterday afternoon, the Secretary of the
Department of Transportation has signed off on the proposed Sport Pilot/Light
Sport Aircraft Rule. It now goes to the Office of Management and Budget, the
final step in the rulemaking process. OMB is expected to use their allotted 90
days to evaluate the rule and act accordingly. If all goes well, and there is
little to expect otherwise, we may see SP/LSA sometime after April 2004.
"This is great news for our community," says USUA EVP Dale Hooper, "USUA
members who have not yet registered as ultralight pilots, are encouraged to do
so immediately so that the special provisions allowed to persons holding this
registration may be taken advantage of."
USUA will continue to monitor the development of these proceedings and
encourages all members to visit the USUA website for any and all news and
announcements.
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| Subject: | Re: TBO's and Seafoam ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
> Boring, are you kidding? This is the most interesting
> thing in weeks.
> So now let me throw you a politically charged question
> - why does a
> Rotax
> 2-cycle have a TBO of 300-400 hours, and a Rotax
> 4-cycle have a TBO of
> 1,000 hours?
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
My $.02 is:
-4-strokes have a full oil bath compared to 40:1 or less of oil in
2-strokes.
-4-strokes are generally less heat per overall weight, and a combustion
1/2 as often in each cylinder. Because of these 2 things, I think 4
strokes have a less severe heat management (removal) problem. Related,
there may even be longevity issues related to 4-strokes being allowed
to have more rings (a bottom sealing ring plus a top compression ring).
- 4-strokes generally use at least some water cooling, meaning less
extreme temperature swings and therefore less expansion/contraction
than 2-strokes.
- 2-strokes are more vulnerable to operator mismanagement. Run it too
lean for a long time (even by an unnoticed air leak), or bad timing
(should be a thing of the past), and parts can die real quick.
BTW, the active incredient in Seafoam is Ralph Burlingame. ;)
-Ben
do not archive
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http://mae.ucdavis.edu/~ransom
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:carbon buildup |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Don Gherardini wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Zim....
> Seafoam....
> I have never used it...dont know how it works....cant say a thing here as I
> am completey ignorant on the subject.
> Doubt if I ever will because when I have an engine that needs something done
> to it..I cant wait to tear it down and fix whatever it needs..look inside it
> and see why...I just like wrenchs I reckon.....!
>
Seafoam = Liquid wrench ??????
I think not!
EZ
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| Subject: | Re: RedGreen lives ... again |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
I am in the middle of an ebay deal so I haven't changed my address yet. I
am up to 75% spam. Red Green is one of the few great manly men left. Most
women do not like his show. He must be doing something right. If you see his
movie you will notice my ugly face in the background as they hand out the
second place cheque. We used to have a saying with Ultralights that if you
did not have a piece of duct tape on your plane soomewhere it will not fly
right.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "artdog1512" <nazz57@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: RedGreen lives ... again
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: artdog1512 <nazz57@yahoo.com>
>
>
> i watch RedGreen every week on my local PBS
> station.. love the show... everyone on this list
> should watch it... full of wisdom and yes, duct
> tape..if Red doesn't know it, it can't be known. ...
> let's face it, Ultralighting is made up of the kinda
> people that identify with that kinda program....
> i gotta date tonight, i'm gonna go brush my teeth
> with Seafoam.......... tim
> do not archive
>
> __________________________________
> http://companion.yahoo.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 @ 5200 rpm's |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> I'm not even a 2 stroker, Don, and I've been thoroughly enjoying your
posts.
> Keep 'em coming, and Thanks. Lar. Do not
> Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
\
Don,
Take it from a two stroker, this thread and your insight is priceless,
thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good Flight.
Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, 690L-70, PA
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| Subject: | Re: 'Twas the Night Before Christmas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: SR3SA2L1@aol.com
Thanks, I needed that!
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Nikasil Cylinders |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> Don/All:
>
.
>
> I built my Son's Yamaha 426 thumper, the first of last year. Had the
> nikasil cylinder redone at a shop in Auburn, Alabama. Looks like new.
> Costs $150. Much less than a new cylinder. .
>
> I can not remember the name of the company that did the cylinder. Lost
all
> my bookmarks. The company is based in England and has facilities in
Auburn,
> AL, and other countries.
>
John and all,
Here are a few companies who do cylinder repair and recoating I found in a
quick search through an MX magazine.
US Chrome: Fon du Lac, WI, 920 922 5066, free brochure, or www.usnicom.com
RPM "Rick Peterson Motorsports" : San Bernadino, CA, 626 967 3052,
www.rpmsbigbore.com
Max Power Cylinders, Madison, WI, 608 224 2524, www.maxpower-engines.com
I am sure there are a lot more out there servicing the snowmobile industry
as well as off road bikes.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: TBO's and Seafoam ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Ben Ransom wrote:
>
>
> BTW, the active incredient in Seafoam is Ralph Burlingame. ;)
> -Ben
> do not archive
>
>
*(smile)*
Yeah, it is good to have the Active Ingredient in a Kolb instead of some
inferior plane.
Merry Christmas, Active Ingredient,,,,,,, and all.
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| Subject: | A Yooper Christmas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi Gang
A Yooper Christmas ( author unknown)
Da Yoopers Night Before Christmas
Twas da night before Christmas in dis yooper house,
> > >
> > >and nuttin' was stirrin' not even da pet mouse.
> > >
> > >Da rest of da family was all fast asleep,
> > >
> > >Wit' visions of pasties delivered by jeep.
> > >
> > >Da swampers was hung by da chimney wit care,
> > >
> > >in hopes dat Saint Nicolas soon would be dere.
> > >
> > >And in da far corner it was lovely to see,
> > >
> > >da Pabst cans and cabbage dat hung from da tree.
> > >
> > >Ma home from da mine and me out on parole,
> > >
> > >she was snuggled in bed; I was perched on da bowl.
> > >
> > >Then alluva sudden da house starts to shudder,
> > >
> > >some nut's on da roof and he broke da rain gutter.
> > >
> > >He jumps down da chimney and swears cause it's tight,
> > >
> > >as I hide behind beer cases, way outta sight.
> > >
> > >He lands in da fireplace scorching his hair,
> > >
> > >on a busted up orange crate still burning in der.
> > >
> > >He climbs out da fireplace and I takes a look,
> > >
> > >he's just like dey show him in my coloring book.
> > >
> > >With vodka-glazed eyes and a stomach like a bubble,
> > >
> > >a five-day-old beard and dere's soot in his stubble.
> > >
> > >His teeth when he smile look like Grampa's weed-saw,
> > >
> > >he wears Sorel boots big as grizzly bear's paw.
> > >
> > >This old Yooper elf gives me nuttin' to fear,
> > >
> > >as he heads for da kitchen for cookies and beer.
> > >
> > >He kills off a six pack then belches and smirks,
> > >
> > >and reaches in da sack, now he's ready for work.
> > >
> > >Now under da tree he's starting to set,
> > >
> > >the most beautiful presents us Yoopers can get.
> > >
> > >Dere's a new Pastymatic and a snowblower for mother,
> > >
> > >a Husqvarna chainsaw, and some swampers for brother.
> > >
> > >Some mud flaps, a CB, and a new-used weed whacker,
> > >
> > >a helmet and nightshirt dat say Green Bay Packer.
> > >
> > >He close up da sack and he jumps in da coals,
> > >
> > >and holleirng "Holly Wah" up the chimney he rose.
> > >
> >I must watch him leave so I rushes outside,
> > >
> > >I looks up at da roof while in bushes I hide.
> > >
> > >And what does I see when I looks through da twigs?
> > >
> > >A rusty old Impala, pulled by eight pigs!
> > >
> > > On Mushy, on Toivo, on Eino and Joe,
> > >
> > >and all a you's others what names I don't know.
> > >
> > >Fly over Negaunee and turn to da right,
> > >
> > >We make Houghton-Hancock before it get light."
> > >
> > >********** Y'ALL HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS...EH! **
> > >
Have a Great Holiday and a Happy and Healthy 2004
From "authentic" Yoopers Bill and Anna Vincent
Firestar II
Quinnesec, Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: [Continues] Intermittent Internet Connectivity Issues to |
Matronics...
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Pacbell is suppose to be working the Matronics connectivity issue this
morning. Intermittent connectivity is still a issue although things are
better than yesterday. They will probably be doing some intrusive testing
on the line later today which will disrupt connections during the test.
More information as it becomes available!
Thanks for your patience.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
At 02:59 PM 12/23/2003 Tuesday, you wrote:
>Dear Listers,
>
>Starting at about 1:05pm PDT Matronics starting having intermittent
>connectivity issues to the Internet. I've called the ISP and they are
>looking into the problem and may do intrusive testing on the line at some
>point this afternoon/evening. For the most part, things seem to be
>working right now, but the line will drop out every once in a while for 2
>to 3 minutes.
>
>This problem will effect connections to the Matronics Web server as well
>as distribution of List mail.
>
>I will post a follow up when the problem has been resolved... Hopefully
>later today.
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Admin.
>
>do not archive
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Nikasil Cylinders |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
John...
WOW....now I am starting to understand also!!...with a wear limit of 5
thou...that is a tighter clearance than most engines with that bore size are
put together new!!!
I must confess to know very little about a Rotax 912...as I have no direct
exper with a single one. But from reading those clearances...it is pretty
clear that they are taking full advantage of the properties of a Nikasil
coated cyl.
What I *think* I know about that dang 912 is....and correct me if I'm
wrong....
It is the only engine in current production by a major engine manufacturer
that has been designed specifically for aircraft use with current technology
in design..100 hp and below...( I am always keeping my eye out..has any got
past me?)
I leave out the Vernier..the HKS...simply because those companies just
cannot be considered major manufacturers in the engine industry.. Since
Zenoah got out..they were about that last major that was in the Biz...Rotax
is now dang near all alone.
All the others I can think of in current production have their roots based
on a design for some other industry...PWC..snowmobiles..etc...
I leave out Lycoming and Cont....because you just cannot call their designs
"current tecnology".
From my viewpoint...that dang 912 is likely the best current choice we have
today due simply to its use of current technology in engine development.
It is really pretty simple men..No other major manufacturer has even
attempted to start a project for this market. The KEY word here is
major..because a small manufacturer will never have the resources to produce
an engine at a lower price than a major can. THey may choose to sell one
cheaper..but not produce it cheaper! (2SI for example)
AS far as the high price...well, I'm not to sure it has to do with the
precise tolerances that this engine is manufacturered to, for example Honda
Builds several engines of similiar tolerances...technologies...in fact..even
higher standards of technology I might say...But...due to several
factors..they are a helluvalot less money...
Production Volume is #1
Competition is 2nd...
these 2 factors are a couple a things that Rotax does not have for the
912...they have very little production volume...and they have virtually no
competition.
So I submit that these 2 things together with the smaller factors
like...new ownership group that has an obligation to its shareholders to
maximize profit on alot of brand new debt...and a market that has shown its
willingness to "pay the price"..have more to do with prices than anything
else.
The fact that is a good design and has high quality parts I think is way
down the list.
This is not unusual BTW...it would be the same at Honda or any other if
roles were reversed!
One last comparison....and I offer this to substantiate the above...
A 503 or a 582 cost compared to a 912...
These 2 strokes mentioned poabably cost about 20 % to produce as the 912 by
my judgment....maybe less..(and I am leaving out the tooling factor that was
likely long ago amoritized on the 2 strokes.... due to the new debt the
company has)..so one way to look at it is...either the 912 is a very good
value...or the 582 is a real big rip-off!!!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | 2cycle vs 4cycle |
RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Gang,
Reading has been very interesting as of late. One thing that has not been hashed
is power to weight ratio.One could not mount a 912 on the smaller Kolbs. Lighter
2 cycle engines of smaller displacement are the obvious choice. My dad taught
me that 2cycle engines produce big HP numbers in respect to displacement
and weight.Take a 125cc 2 cycle engine of today's race bikes. With reed valves
the things go from nothing to ballistic!!!! in the snap of a finger. Air intake
management and plug reading are a must. Wonder what we will do when the EPA
gets their way with outlawing 2 cycle engines all together? The 2 cycle outboards
and dirt bikes are already on their way out. What next... Rotax?
Happy Holidays everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love Loyalty and Respect
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 2cycle vs 4cycle |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Hard ta say, Paul. I've seen some Evinrude advertising that shows them
solidly in the 2 stroke camp for some time to come, and their claims are way
up there. Backing them up is the EPA standards that they're complying with.
I bought my Honda 4 stroke outboard with the long term in mind, and took a
bit of a hit on power. Looks like I coulda stayed with 2 strokes. Gonna be
an interesting future, eh ?? Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: 2cycle vs 4cycle
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
> Gang,
> Reading has been very interesting as of late. One thing that has not been
hashed is power to weight ratio.One could not mount a 912 on the smaller
Kolbs. Lighter 2 cycle engines of smaller displacement are the obvious
choice. My dad taught me that 2cycle engines produce big HP numbers in
respect to displacement and weight.Take a 125cc 2 cycle engine of today's
race bikes. With reed valves the things go from nothing to ballistic!!!! in
the snap of a finger. Air intake management and plug reading are a must.
Wonder what we will do when the EPA gets their way with outlawing 2 cycle
engines all together? The 2 cycle outboards and dirt bikes are already on
their way out. What next... Rotax?
>
> Happy Holidays everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Love Loyalty and Respect
>
> Paul Petty
> Building Ms. Dixie
> Kolbra/912UL/Warp
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Sport pilot update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kirk Smith
Subject: Kolb-List: Sport pilot update
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
The following is quoted from http://www.usua.org/ 12-24-03
12/24/2003: Sport Pilot News
USUA received a phone call at 10AM EST, December 24, 2003 from Sue Gardner
of
FAA informing us that late yesterday afternoon, the Secretary of the
Department of Transportation has signed off on the proposed Sport
Pilot/Light
Sport Aircraft Rule. It now goes to the Office of Management and Budget, the
final step in the rulemaking process. OMB is expected to use their allotted
90
days to evaluate the rule and act accordingly. If all goes well, and there
is
little to expect otherwise, we may see SP/LSA sometime after April 2004.
<<<<SNIP>>>>
Sounds like a SNF announcement item.
(April 13 - 19, 2004)
George Alexander
Original Firestar
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Kolber's,
Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Please
remember the reason for the season.
Thanks to all of you for making this such a great list. I consider all
of you friends and hope to met more of you in 2004. Don't know what I
would do without my daily dosage of "Kolb list". I pray everyone has a
safe and prosperous new year.
John Cooley
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| Subject: | Nikasil Cylinders |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
Don,
I would have to disagree about HKS not being a major company. HKS may not
be a major engine manufacturer, but they are a major engine component
manufacturer. They've been in the performance parts making biz for 30 years
and have been manufacturing engine components in house for that 30 years
that companies like Rotax still out source like electronics, turbo chargers,
etc.
Go to a search engine and start searching for HKS performance parts. I
don't know the exact numbers, but I think they are pretty close to being the
same size as Rotax.
Have you seen the movies "The Fast and the Furious" and "2 Fast 2 Furious"?
HKS makes a lot of the performance products that guys put into those
performance compacts like those used in the movie. In fact, if you watch
the first movie, there is a great big HKS poster on the wall at the
performance parts store where the guy works.
Maybe HKS has not been making complete engines for as long as Rotax, but I
would not call them a small player. I'd almost be willing to bet that they
have deeper pockets for future development than Rotax does.
If you think .005" is close, the by the book NEW piston to cylinder wall
clearance for the Rotax 582 is .06mm or .0024". Try those 2-stroke numbers
on for size. This is right out of the current maintenance manual in section
11.27. That is with a cast iron cylinder sleeve.
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation.
Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines
Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS
Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell......
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Gherardini
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Nikasil Cylinders
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
John...
WOW....now I am starting to understand also!!...with a wear limit of 5
thou...that is a tighter clearance than most engines with that bore size are
put together new!!!
I must confess to know very little about a Rotax 912...as I have no direct
exper with a single one. But from reading those clearances...it is pretty
clear that they are taking full advantage of the properties of a Nikasil
coated cyl.
What I *think* I know about that dang 912 is....and correct me if I'm
wrong....
It is the only engine in current production by a major engine manufacturer
that has been designed specifically for aircraft use with current technology
in design..100 hp and below...( I am always keeping my eye out..has any got
past me?)
I leave out the Vernier..the HKS...simply because those companies just
cannot be considered major manufacturers in the engine industry.. Since
Zenoah got out..they were about that last major that was in the Biz...Rotax
is now dang near all alone.
All the others I can think of in current production have their roots based
on a design for some other industry...PWC..snowmobiles..etc...
I leave out Lycoming and Cont....because you just cannot call their designs
"current tecnology".
>From my viewpoint...that dang 912 is likely the best current choice we
have
today due simply to its use of current technology in engine development.
It is really pretty simple men..No other major manufacturer has even
attempted to start a project for this market. The KEY word here is
major..because a small manufacturer will never have the resources to produce
an engine at a lower price than a major can. THey may choose to sell one
cheaper..but not produce it cheaper! (2SI for example)
AS far as the high price...well, I'm not to sure it has to do with the
precise tolerances that this engine is manufacturered to, for example Honda
Builds several engines of similiar tolerances...technologies...in fact..even
higher standards of technology I might say...But...due to several
factors..they are a helluvalot less money...
Production Volume is #1
Competition is 2nd...
these 2 factors are a couple a things that Rotax does not have for the
912...they have very little production volume...and they have virtually no
competition.
So I submit that these 2 things together with the smaller factors
like...new ownership group that has an obligation to its shareholders to
maximize profit on alot of brand new debt...and a market that has shown its
willingness to "pay the price"..have more to do with prices than anything
else.
The fact that is a good design and has high quality parts I think is way
down the list.
This is not unusual BTW...it would be the same at Honda or any other if
roles were reversed!
One last comparison....and I offer this to substantiate the above...
A 503 or a 582 cost compared to a 912...
These 2 strokes mentioned poabably cost about 20 % to produce as the 912 by
my judgment....maybe less..(and I am leaving out the tooling factor that was
likely long ago amoritized on the 2 strokes.... due to the new debt the
company has)..so one way to look at it is...either the 912 is a very good
value...or the 582 is a real big rip-off!!!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: 2cycle vs 4cycle |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Paul.
At a National show this summer, a Bombardier ATV rep told me that within 2
years their 2 stroke line will be completely shut down, and only 4 cycles
will be produced...Now..this was in sept...and justy before the sale of the
rec division was finalized....so there might be changes in the plan as of
now...but I woulnt bet a cup a coffee on it!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Nikasil Cylinders |
required 5, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Tom, does HKS have plans for a 4 cylinder 4 cycle engine in the future?
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Nikasil Cylinders
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation"
<olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
>
> Don,
>
> I would have to disagree about HKS not being a major company. HKS may not
> be a major engine manufacturer, but they are a major engine component
> manufacturer. They've been in the performance parts making biz for 30
years
> and have been manufacturing engine components in house for that 30 years
> that companies like Rotax still out source like electronics, turbo
chargers,
> etc.
>
> Go to a search engine and start searching for HKS performance parts. I
> don't know the exact numbers, but I think they are pretty close to being
the
> same size as Rotax.
>
> Have you seen the movies "The Fast and the Furious" and "2 Fast 2
Furious"?
> HKS makes a lot of the performance products that guys put into those
> performance compacts like those used in the movie. In fact, if you watch
> the first movie, there is a great big HKS poster on the wall at the
> performance parts store where the guy works.
>
> Maybe HKS has not been making complete engines for as long as Rotax, but I
> would not call them a small player. I'd almost be willing to bet that
they
> have deeper pockets for future development than Rotax does.
>
> If you think .005" is close, the by the book NEW piston to cylinder wall
> clearance for the Rotax 582 is .06mm or .0024". Try those 2-stroke
numbers
> on for size. This is right out of the current maintenance manual in
section
> 11.27. That is with a cast iron cylinder sleeve.
>
> Tom Olenik
> Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation.
> Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines
> Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes
> http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
> Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS
> Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell......
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Gherardini
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Nikasil Cylinders
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> John...
>
> WOW....now I am starting to understand also!!...with a wear limit of 5
> thou...that is a tighter clearance than most engines with that bore size
are
> put together new!!!
>
> I must confess to know very little about a Rotax 912...as I have no direct
> exper with a single one. But from reading those clearances...it is pretty
> clear that they are taking full advantage of the properties of a Nikasil
> coated cyl.
>
> What I *think* I know about that dang 912 is....and correct me if I'm
> wrong....
>
> It is the only engine in current production by a major engine manufacturer
> that has been designed specifically for aircraft use with current
technology
> in design..100 hp and below...( I am always keeping my eye out..has any
got
> past me?)
> I leave out the Vernier..the HKS...simply because those companies just
> cannot be considered major manufacturers in the engine industry.. Since
> Zenoah got out..they were about that last major that was in the
Biz...Rotax
> is now dang near all alone.
> All the others I can think of in current production have their roots based
> on a design for some other industry...PWC..snowmobiles..etc...
> I leave out Lycoming and Cont....because you just cannot call their
designs
> "current tecnology".
> >From my viewpoint...that dang 912 is likely the best current choice we
> have
> today due simply to its use of current technology in engine development.
> It is really pretty simple men..No other major manufacturer has even
> attempted to start a project for this market. The KEY word here is
> major..because a small manufacturer will never have the resources to
produce
> an engine at a lower price than a major can. THey may choose to sell one
> cheaper..but not produce it cheaper! (2SI for example)
>
> AS far as the high price...well, I'm not to sure it has to do with the
> precise tolerances that this engine is manufacturered to, for example
Honda
> Builds several engines of similiar tolerances...technologies...in
fact..even
> higher standards of technology I might say...But...due to several
> factors..they are a helluvalot less money...
> Production Volume is #1
> Competition is 2nd...
> these 2 factors are a couple a things that Rotax does not have for the
> 912...they have very little production volume...and they have virtually no
> competition.
> So I submit that these 2 things together with the smaller factors
> like...new ownership group that has an obligation to its shareholders to
> maximize profit on alot of brand new debt...and a market that has shown
its
> willingness to "pay the price"..have more to do with prices than anything
> else.
> The fact that is a good design and has high quality parts I think is way
> down the list.
> This is not unusual BTW...it would be the same at Honda or any other if
> roles were reversed!
>
> One last comparison....and I offer this to substantiate the above...
> A 503 or a 582 cost compared to a 912...
> These 2 strokes mentioned poabably cost about 20 % to produce as the 912
by
> my judgment....maybe less..(and I am leaving out the tooling factor that
was
> likely long ago amoritized on the 2 strokes.... due to the new debt the
> company has)..so one way to look at it is...either the 912 is a very good
> value...or the 582 is a real big rip-off!!!
>
>
> Don Gherardini
> FireFly 098
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
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Woody,
During The Last Great Unpleasantness (WWII) we used a tough olive-drab
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> BTW, the active incredient in Seafoam is Ralph Burlingame. ;)
> -Ben
> do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
HIya Tom,
In reading you post...I reckon we think alike..
snip...<<<I would have to disagree about HKS not being a major company. HKS
may not
be a major engine manufacturer, but they are a major engine
component.......>>>
cause I didnt say HKS was not a major company..just not a major engine
manufacturer...and I think you said it well in the above clip..
.
I am in fact aware of HKS performance parts...In Japan....these guys are to
Honda like TRW is to Chevrolet!
Half the Hondas in the parking lot at work are full of HKS goodies under the
hood!
I also believe that HKS products are of very high quality...and I think that
their opposed twin is the best there is on the market of its type.
I also can vouch for the companies integrity, and their support for their
products..This company I do have direct expierience with.
And I think you may be very possibly right when you mention that they might
have deeper pockets than Rotax...now that the assets of Bombardier are out
of the picture.
New 582 clearance 6mm huh?.... I'll be...now that does suprise me Tom...sure
didnt know that, and I'm glad for you to mention it.
I'll admit that it sounds tight to me, even for a liquid cooled
engine...but..we are selling our Industrial V-twins and sure enough..6mm is
the new clearance on these also..(I always thought they were to tight
too!!!) and they seem to do fine!...just shows what I know I guess!
While I have your ear Tom, and I know you have a lot more exp with these
Rotax's than I do...(which BTW I have dang little)
If I had a worn out 582 and sent it to you for an overhaul...and you needed
to bore it and install new pistons...would you set it up that tight?
Got to go and put together toys now fer the grandkids.....
Merry Christmas to all of you my aviatin' brothers!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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