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1. 06:29 AM - Alaska (Dave Rains)
2. 06:51 AM - tip for trip (Paul Petty)
3. 07:59 AM - Kolb Flight to Alaska 2004 (John Hauck)
4. 09:41 AM - FW: Honda Aircraft Engine (Olenik Aviation)
5. 10:48 AM - Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine (Denny Rowe)
6. 12:45 PM - Re: tip for trip (David & Maria Lumgair)
7. 02:04 PM - Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine (Don Gherardini)
8. 03:38 PM - Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine (ALEMBIC7@aol.com)
9. 03:49 PM - TCM and Honda (John Hauck)
10. 05:13 PM - Re: Primer (TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com)
11. 06:08 PM - Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine (Don Gherardini)
12. 08:44 PM - Re: Primer (Richard Pike)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
Am starting to put together items for Alaska trip. I have obtained the following:
New sleeping bag to replace the one I made when a boy scout.
Collapsible fishing rod with tackle.
New self inflating, extra thick, extra large, extra ordinary mattress pad. (This
is the most important item)
One (1) Daisy Red Rider survival gun with 1200 BB's.
One case of insect repellent.
Still need:
Mosquito nets
Mosquito bombs
Windshield mosquito remover
Charts, lots of up to date charts
Passport
Everything else
Have we an updated list of Pilots?
do not archive
Dave Rains
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Here is a tip for the Alaska trip. If one finds his or herself being chased by
grizzly bear, remember, you don't have to out run the bear!
Only one other person in your party!!!!
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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| Subject: | Kolb Flight to Alaska 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Have we an updated list of Pilots?
>
> Dave Rains
Morning Dave/All:
I had a list, until I decided to dump all my stuff. Now I am starting out
from scratch and memory:
Tom and Betty Kuffle, Whitefish, Montana
John Williamson, Arlington, Texas
John Hauck, Titus, Alabama
Dave Rains, El Paso, Texas
Ronnie Smith, Lucedale, Mississippi
Charley Harris, Raleigh, Mississippi (Paul Petty's Father-In-Law)
Kirk Fordice, Former Governor of Mississippi, 1991-1999
I can't think of any others, at this time.
This list will change, I am sure. When we depart from Whitefish, MT, 1 July
2004, we will know who is going.
I have started getting the airplane and my stuff together also. Would be
nice to be ready ahead of time. The flight to MV will be a good shake down
cruise for me and Miss P'fer prior to the Alaska flight.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | FW: Honda Aircraft Engine |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
Hey Don,
What do you think about this? Any basis in the real world?
Tom Olenik
Honda and Teledyne team for possible aircraft engine project
Steven Mackay
Staff
Honda Motor Co. Ltd. and Teledyne Continental Motors Inc., the latter with a
plant in Mobile, have their eyes on the sky with a burgeoning project that
could produce aircraft engines.
The project is only in the feasibility study stage, according to Jeffrey
Smith, a spokesman for Honda at its Florence, Calif., facility. He says the
piston engine, to be used for small, personal aircraft, is "potentially
superior" to others presently on the market. Features of the four-cylinder,
water-cooled engine include low fuel usage, lighter weight and higher
output.
"It will be environmentally friendly," Smith says.
Now under way, the study will determine potential marketing, servicing and
product launch customers for the engine. Based on its work on motorcycle and
automobile engines, Tokyo-based Honda says it developed the piston engine
that is being tested at Teledyne's Mobile plant. The prototype stems from
two years of work between the two companies.
It is not known if the engine would be produced at either Honda's Lincoln
plant or Teledyne's Mobile plant, or elsewhere, once it is approved for
production. Honda officials would not say where the prototype was built.
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Tom and others,
This engine was featured in a recent Kitplanes magazine, I recall that it is
rated at 225 hp and is four cylinder opposed layout.
It looks really sweet and has the fuel injection mounted on the top instead
of the old under side carb.
Dnnis Rowe
Mk-3, PA
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From: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation"
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> Hey Don,
>
> What do you think about this? Any basis in the real world?
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> Tom Olenik
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> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: tip for trip |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy@visi.net>
We used to say carry a revolver - large caliber - shoot the bear 5x - if it
doesn't stop #6 is for you. Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: tip for trip
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
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> Here is a tip for the Alaska trip. If one finds his or herself being
chased by grizzly bear, remember, you don't have to out run the bear!
> Only one other person in your party!!!!
>
> Paul Petty
> Building Ms. Dixie
> Kolbra/912UL/Warp
>
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> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Tom,
All I know for certain is we have one on each end of a Cessna SkyMaster and
it has been gathering test flight hours. American Honda HQ is pretty well
keeping most of the performance details secret, and the Engineers assigned
to the project are from Japan. The partnership with TCM is to take advantage
of their marketing expertise, and their relationships in the US Gov arena.
The First target will actually be for a US Gov bid for engines and parts for
a UAV. If we win this project. Then the engine will be offered to the GA
market, and certification will be attempted. If we dont......likely it will
be shelved.
I can tell you this. The engine is just what you would expect from Honda as
far as technology goes. Computer controlled fuel mapping, ignition, timing,
and the works. Just like we currently make for auto engines...The best quote
I think I can tell you I have heard is from one of the engineer's assigned
here to the project would be.."The pilots tell me that the only thing they
have flown behind that was as smooth burned JetA"
I have a couple of pics somewhere of it if you want me to dig em up and send
em to ya. Nothing secret tho..only what has been approved for release.
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ALEMBIC7@aol.com
Don,
If it's on a skymastyer, it sounds like it will be too big for most of our
needs? (I want about 100hp, doesn't everyone?)
AZ lurker
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
All:
Here's a url to the EAA's comments on the Honda aeroplane engine. Not much
here, but does have a picture of the engine:
http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/030304_tcm_honda.html
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com
Will a electric fuel pump work as a primer?
David
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Az,
Talk around here is...3 versions...225, 275, and 300 hp ...but Fellas, this
is really way too early, if it happens, it will be 2, maybe 3 or more years
away from now..there will contunue to be market studies...new technology
developing that might change the engine. One thing I have learned in my 10
years of working for Honda....Things are done VERY slowly...different
divisions handle announcements differently, but on new products that are
released for markets we already participate in...5 years or so before a
press release that even admits we are working on it, a couple more before
you see an authorized picture, and a couple more before production. These
are for markets we are ALREADY in!
Now..markets we are considering entering?...well...nobody here really Knows
how long.
I know that Honda once built a very large and high tech wind tunnel in the
USA at a major University, along with a engine test cell that was also very
high tecnology. A couple of aircraft were developed and there were at least
4 prototypes...all different and evolving. Tens of millions of dollars were
invested. Then...somewhere upstairs...Honda decided to abandon the whole
thing and donate it to the university, along with the prototypes. No engines
were ever developed or run in the test cell. "We have decided not to pursue
that market" was the company line. BOOM...just like that all the personell
were pulled and sent back to Japan, little or no tech support was offered to
the university for future projects, and I spoke with a fella from the
aviation program there and he told me that turbine engine test cell has
never been used because they never could figure out how to operate it...it
was very complex and Hi tech. Some of you may have seen the last prototype
aircraft around at airshows promoting the Universities Aviation program.I
know I saw it at OshKosh year before last.
Then...soon after we find out that Honda in Japan is working on the current
jet engine project (this was about1986), and still we dont have any idea
when, or if we will ever get there. But today we call it the HF 118
turbofan...and there is an aircraft to go along with it simply called the
HondaJet.
Type in HF 118 HondaJet into any search engine and I imagine you will find
lots of press on it....
So as for the Honda recip....about all I can speculate is....If the US gov
buys it for their UAV's....then we might see one on a GA bird.
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Yep.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 08:13 PM 12/28/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com
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>Will a electric fuel pump work as a primer?
>
>David
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