---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/28/03: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:29 AM - Alaska (Dave Rains) 2. 06:51 AM - tip for trip (Paul Petty) 3. 07:59 AM - Kolb Flight to Alaska 2004 (John Hauck) 4. 09:41 AM - FW: Honda Aircraft Engine (Olenik Aviation) 5. 10:48 AM - Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine (Denny Rowe) 6. 12:45 PM - Re: tip for trip (David & Maria Lumgair) 7. 02:04 PM - Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine (Don Gherardini) 8. 03:38 PM - Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine (ALEMBIC7@aol.com) 9. 03:49 PM - TCM and Honda (John Hauck) 10. 05:13 PM - Re: Primer (TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com) 11. 06:08 PM - Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine (Don Gherardini) 12. 08:44 PM - Re: Primer (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:54 AM PST US From: Dave Rains Subject: Kolb-List: Alaska --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains Am starting to put together items for Alaska trip. I have obtained the following: New sleeping bag to replace the one I made when a boy scout. Collapsible fishing rod with tackle. New self inflating, extra thick, extra large, extra ordinary mattress pad. (This is the most important item) One (1) Daisy Red Rider survival gun with 1200 BB's. One case of insect repellent. Still need: Mosquito nets Mosquito bombs Windshield mosquito remover Charts, lots of up to date charts Passport Everything else Have we an updated list of Pilots? do not archive Dave Rains ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:33 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: tip for trip RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Here is a tip for the Alaska trip. If one finds his or herself being chased by grizzly bear, remember, you don't have to out run the bear! Only one other person in your party!!!! Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:47 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Flight to Alaska 2004 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > Have we an updated list of Pilots? > > Dave Rains Morning Dave/All: I had a list, until I decided to dump all my stuff. Now I am starting out from scratch and memory: Tom and Betty Kuffle, Whitefish, Montana John Williamson, Arlington, Texas John Hauck, Titus, Alabama Dave Rains, El Paso, Texas Ronnie Smith, Lucedale, Mississippi Charley Harris, Raleigh, Mississippi (Paul Petty's Father-In-Law) Kirk Fordice, Former Governor of Mississippi, 1991-1999 I can't think of any others, at this time. This list will change, I am sure. When we depart from Whitefish, MT, 1 July 2004, we will know who is going. I have started getting the airplane and my stuff together also. Would be nice to be ready ahead of time. The flight to MV will be a good shake down cruise for me and Miss P'fer prior to the Alaska flight. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:44 AM PST US From: "Olenik Aviation" Subject: Kolb-List: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" Hey Don, What do you think about this? Any basis in the real world? Tom Olenik Honda and Teledyne team for possible aircraft engine project Steven Mackay Staff Honda Motor Co. Ltd. and Teledyne Continental Motors Inc., the latter with a plant in Mobile, have their eyes on the sky with a burgeoning project that could produce aircraft engines. The project is only in the feasibility study stage, according to Jeffrey Smith, a spokesman for Honda at its Florence, Calif., facility. He says the piston engine, to be used for small, personal aircraft, is "potentially superior" to others presently on the market. Features of the four-cylinder, water-cooled engine include low fuel usage, lighter weight and higher output. "It will be environmentally friendly," Smith says. Now under way, the study will determine potential marketing, servicing and product launch customers for the engine. Based on its work on motorcycle and automobile engines, Tokyo-based Honda says it developed the piston engine that is being tested at Teledyne's Mobile plant. The prototype stems from two years of work between the two companies. It is not known if the engine would be produced at either Honda's Lincoln plant or Teledyne's Mobile plant, or elsewhere, once it is approved for production. Honda officials would not say where the prototype was built. Post message: powerchutes@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: powerchutes-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: Skyryder@mt.net URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/powerchutes Brian Lee: Skyryder@mt.net Web Page: http://www.powerchutes.com Files : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/powerchutes/files/ ---- a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/powerchutes/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: powerchutes-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:18 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Tom and others, This engine was featured in a recent Kitplanes magazine, I recall that it is rated at 225 hp and is four cylinder opposed layout. It looks really sweet and has the fuel injection mounted on the top instead of the old under side carb. Dnnis Rowe Mk-3, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olenik Aviation" Subject: Kolb-List: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" > > Hey Don, > > What do you think about this? Any basis in the real world? > > Tom Olenik > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:44 PM PST US From: "David & Maria Lumgair" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip for trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" We used to say carry a revolver - large caliber - shoot the bear 5x - if it doesn't stop #6 is for you. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: tip for trip > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Here is a tip for the Alaska trip. If one finds his or herself being chased by grizzly bear, remember, you don't have to out run the bear! > Only one other person in your party!!!! > > Paul Petty > Building Ms. Dixie > Kolbra/912UL/Warp > > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:36 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Tom, All I know for certain is we have one on each end of a Cessna SkyMaster and it has been gathering test flight hours. American Honda HQ is pretty well keeping most of the performance details secret, and the Engineers assigned to the project are from Japan. The partnership with TCM is to take advantage of their marketing expertise, and their relationships in the US Gov arena. The First target will actually be for a US Gov bid for engines and parts for a UAV. If we win this project. Then the engine will be offered to the GA market, and certification will be attempted. If we dont......likely it will be shelved. I can tell you this. The engine is just what you would expect from Honda as far as technology goes. Computer controlled fuel mapping, ignition, timing, and the works. Just like we currently make for auto engines...The best quote I think I can tell you I have heard is from one of the engineer's assigned here to the project would be.."The pilots tell me that the only thing they have flown behind that was as smooth burned JetA" I have a couple of pics somewhere of it if you want me to dig em up and send em to ya. Nothing secret tho..only what has been approved for release. Don Gherardini FireFly 098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:53 PM PST US From: ALEMBIC7@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: ALEMBIC7@aol.com Don, If it's on a skymastyer, it sounds like it will be too big for most of our needs? (I want about 100hp, doesn't everyone?) AZ lurker ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:48 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: TCM and Honda --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" All: Here's a url to the EAA's comments on the Honda aeroplane engine. Not much here, but does have a picture of the engine: http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/030304_tcm_honda.html john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:43 PM PST US From: TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Primer --> Kolb-List message posted by: TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com Will a electric fuel pump work as a primer? David ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:20 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Az, Talk around here is...3 versions...225, 275, and 300 hp ...but Fellas, this is really way too early, if it happens, it will be 2, maybe 3 or more years away from now..there will contunue to be market studies...new technology developing that might change the engine. One thing I have learned in my 10 years of working for Honda....Things are done VERY slowly...different divisions handle announcements differently, but on new products that are released for markets we already participate in...5 years or so before a press release that even admits we are working on it, a couple more before you see an authorized picture, and a couple more before production. These are for markets we are ALREADY in! Now..markets we are considering entering?...well...nobody here really Knows how long. I know that Honda once built a very large and high tech wind tunnel in the USA at a major University, along with a engine test cell that was also very high tecnology. A couple of aircraft were developed and there were at least 4 prototypes...all different and evolving. Tens of millions of dollars were invested. Then...somewhere upstairs...Honda decided to abandon the whole thing and donate it to the university, along with the prototypes. No engines were ever developed or run in the test cell. "We have decided not to pursue that market" was the company line. BOOM...just like that all the personell were pulled and sent back to Japan, little or no tech support was offered to the university for future projects, and I spoke with a fella from the aviation program there and he told me that turbine engine test cell has never been used because they never could figure out how to operate it...it was very complex and Hi tech. Some of you may have seen the last prototype aircraft around at airshows promoting the Universities Aviation program.I know I saw it at OshKosh year before last. Then...soon after we find out that Honda in Japan is working on the current jet engine project (this was about1986), and still we dont have any idea when, or if we will ever get there. But today we call it the HF 118 turbofan...and there is an aircraft to go along with it simply called the HondaJet. Type in HF 118 HondaJet into any search engine and I imagine you will find lots of press on it.... So as for the Honda recip....about all I can speculate is....If the US gov buys it for their UAV's....then we might see one on a GA bird. Don Gherardini FireFly 098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:44 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Primer --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Yep. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 08:13 PM 12/28/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com > >Will a electric fuel pump work as a primer? > >David > >