---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/29/03: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:19 AM - Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine (jerb) 2. 04:37 AM - Re: tip for trip (Dave Rains) 3. 07:03 AM - Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine (Olenik Aviation) 4. 07:49 AM - Re: tip for trip (possums) 5. 08:30 AM - marII twinstar (Paul Petty) 6. 08:50 AM - Spam (Larry Bourne) 7. 09:13 AM - Re: Spam (Bob Bean) 8. 09:17 AM - Re: Spam (Edward Chmielewski) 9. 09:17 AM - Re: Spam (Kirk Smith) 10. 09:36 AM - Re: marII twinstar (Eugene Zimmerman) 11. 09:44 AM - Re: Spam (Dave Carr) 12. 10:07 AM - Spam (Fackler, Ken) 13. 10:32 AM - Re: marII twinstar (John Cooley) 14. 10:53 AM - Re: marII twinstar (Jim Hauck) 15. 11:05 AM - Re: Spam (Richard Pike) 16. 11:23 AM - thanks (Paul Petty) 17. 11:41 AM - Re: Off Topic - Spam (jerb) 18. 11:53 AM - Mon Valley Dates (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM) 19. 12:44 PM - Re: marII twinstar (Don Gherardini) 20. 12:54 PM - Re: markII twinstar (Edward Chmielewski) 21. 12:55 PM - Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine (Don Gherardini) 22. 01:24 PM - Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine (jerb) 23. 01:32 PM - Re: Mon Valley Dates (John Hauck) 24. 02:41 PM - Re: tip for trip (jerb) 25. 02:44 PM - Re: IVO Prop Extension (Vic) 26. 02:51 PM - Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine (Don Gherardini) 27. 02:54 PM - Haul-A-Hangar (jerb) 28. 03:47 PM - Re: marII twinstar (FlyColt45@aol.com) 29. 04:26 PM - Re: Re: IVO Prop Extension (Denny Rowe) 30. 06:01 PM - Re: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine (jerb) 31. 07:52 PM - Brass Nuts and Toggle Switches (James and Cathy Tripp) 32. 08:33 PM - Re: Brass Nuts and Toggle Switches (Bob N.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:01 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb I vote for a 4-stroke 40 to 50 HP for UL single place application. jerb At 06:38 PM 12/28/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: ALEMBIC7@aol.com > >Don, >If it's on a skymastyer, it sounds like it will be too big for most of our >needs? (I want about 100hp, doesn't everyone?) >AZ lurker > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:46 AM PST US From: Dave Rains Subject: RE: Kolb-List: tip for trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains Nonsense! The Red Rider is sufficient. You only need to know where to place the BB. BB placement is everything. I'm surrounded by amateurs. Dave Rains do not archive -----Original Message----- From: David & Maria Lumgair [SMTP:dlummy@visi.net] Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tip for trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" We used to say carry a revolver - large caliber - shoot the bear 5x - if it doesn't stop #6 is for you. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: tip for trip > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Here is a tip for the Alaska trip. If one finds his or herself being chased by grizzly bear, remember, you don't have to out run the bear! > Only one other person in your party!!!! > > Paul Petty > Building Ms. Dixie > Kolbra/912UL/Warp > > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:29 AM PST US From: "Olenik Aviation" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" There is no market for it. No one is buy ANY 40 hp engines. At least not enough to justify making them. If you want 50 HP, well you're getting pretty close to the nich that HKS is filling. If there were a demand for them, they would make them, but there just isn't enough demend to do it and do it right. Tom Olenk Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation. Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell...... -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb I vote for a 4-stroke 40 to 50 HP for UL single place application. jerb ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:45 AM PST US From: possums Subject: RE: Kolb-List: tip for trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums The Forest Service has issued a BEAR WARNING in the national forests for this spring. They're urging everyone to protect themselves by wearing small bells around their ankles to warn the bears of your presence - and carry pepper spray. Campers should be alert for signs of fresh bear activity, and they should be able to tell the difference between Black Bear dung and Grizzly Bear dung. Black Bear dung is rather small and round. Sometimes you can see fruitseeds and/or squirrel fur in it. Grizzly Bear dung has bells in it, and smells like pepper. Do not archive At 07:35 AM 12/29/2003, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Petty" > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > > > Here is a tip for the Alaska trip. If one finds his or herself being >chased by grizzly bear, remember, you don't have to out run the bear! > > Only one other person in your party!!!! > > > > Paul Petty ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:35 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: marII twinstar RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Kolbers, Does anyone have Dennis Souders e-mail address. Or if you read this post, Dennis, Could you tell me if a Mark2 twinstar is capable of mounting and safely flying a 912UL engine? pp do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:17 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: Spam --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I've asked this before, and now hafta do *something.* I'm using the spam blocker on Outlook Express, under "message," "create rule for message," and all it seems to do is intensify the spam. Nearly 2,000 blocked addresses now, and still getting over 200 spams a day, and nearly that many kicked directly into the "deleted" file. A huge number from that "paris hilton" foolishness. This is insane, and companies are defending their "right" to do this to us, while our joyful politicians dither. I'd like to defend my right to strangle the bastards. Some time ago, Don G. and a couple of others recommended the "Postini" spam blocker, but looking at their website makes me think they're aimed at commercial users. Is this true, or do they work with individuals ?? I thought about the Earthlink version, but I understand that you have to enter the addresses you'll accept mail from. This is awkward for me, cause I get many emails from website readers, off-line Kolb Listers, etc. I've gotta do something, sports fans..................this is driving me loco. Hair Pullin' Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:20 AM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spam --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Paris Hilton, eh? Sounds like Lar's been pullin' more than his hair. Try opening something like a Juno account and use it for nothing but email. -BB do not archive, off to senior league bowling on a beautiful sunny 55+deg day in upstate NY, shame to go indoors. Larry Bourne wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > >I've asked this before, and now hafta do *something.* I'm using the spam blocker on Outlook Express, under "message," "create rule for message," and all it seems to do is intensify the spam. Nearly 2,000 blocked addresses now, and still getting over 200 spams a day, and nearly that many kicked directly into the "deleted" file. A huge number from that "paris hilton" foolishness. This is insane, and companies are defending their "right" to do this to us, while our joyful politicians dither. I'd like to defend my right to strangle the bastards. Some time ago, Don G. and a couple of others recommended the "Postini" spam blocker, but looking at their website makes me think they're aimed at commercial users. Is this true, or do they work with individuals ?? I thought about the Earthlink version, but I understand that you have to enter the addresses you'll accept mail from. This is awkward for me, cause I get many emails from website readers, off-line Kolb! > Listers, etc. I've gotta do something, sports fans..................this is driving me loco. Hair Pullin' Lar. > >Larry Bourne >Palm Springs, CA >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB >www.gogittum.com > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:13 AM PST US From: "Edward Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spam --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" Hi Lar/Kolbers, Me too. Not as many in number, but 50% of my e-mail is spam. (Not surfing porn sites, either). Lots of 'Viagra/Make your thingy bigger' type spam. I too use Earthlink, and their "SpamBlocker" is too cumbersome. Ed in JXN MkII/503 Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: Spam > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > I've asked this before, and now hafta do *something.* I'm using the spam blocker on Outlook Express, under "message," "create rule for message," and all it seems to do is intensify the spam. Nearly 2,000 blocked addresses now, and still getting over 200 spams a day, and nearly that many kicked directly into the "deleted" file. (Snip) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:17 AM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spam --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: Spam Your ISP should be able to block most of that. If not, I'd find another that did. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:06 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: marII twinstar --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Paul, I am not Dennis but I am sure The Mark II is NOT suited for the 912. Kolb only used the 503 on the Mark II. Even the 582 will not fit and still allow the wings to fold without major airframe changes. The Mark II uses the 5" wing spar and fuse. with seven ribs same as the Firestar. I am sure D. S. will never approve of using a 912 on a Mark II. Paul Petty wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Kolbers, > Does anyone have Dennis Souders e-mail address. Or if you read this post, Dennis, Could you tell me if a Mark2 twinstar is capable of mounting and safely flying a 912UL engine? > > > pp > > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:44 AM PST US From: "Dave Carr" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spam --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Carr" My ISP offers "Postini" to its users at no charge and it works great. A few spams get through but not many. A few valid emails get caught and held by postini so I check the caught ones several times a day but that is easier them sorting through spams online. Works for me! DEC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: Spam > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > I've asked this before, and now hafta do *something.* I'm using the spam blocker on Outlook Express, under "message," "create rule for message," and all it seems to do is intensify the spam. Nearly 2,000 blocked addresses now, and still getting over 200 spams a day, and nearly that many kicked directly into the "deleted" file. A huge number from that "paris hilton" foolishness. This is insane, and companies are defending their "right" to do this to us, while our joyful politicians dither. I'd like to defend my right to strangle the bastards. Some time ago, Don G. and a couple of others recommended the "Postini" spam blocker, but looking at their website makes me think they're aimed at commercial users. Is this true, or do they work with individuals ?? I thought about the Earthlink version, but I understand that you have to enter the addresses you'll accept mail from. This is awkward for me, cause I get many emails from website readers, off-line Kolb! > Listers, etc. I've gotta do something, sports fans..................this is driving me loco. Hair Pullin' Lar. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > www.gogittum.com > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:41 AM PST US From: "Fackler, Ken" Subject: Kolb-List: Spam --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" Dear Lar: I can't offer you (or anyone) a recommendation for another spam blocker, but I can offer you some advice, for what it's worth. First, the Direct Marketing Association has a website where you can register to have your name and other IDs, such as your email address, placed on a do-not-contact list. When I last checked it was free. I did this with my postal address, phone number, and email and it substantially reduced the amount of junk mail/phone calls I get though of course I still get a few. The bad news is that it can take up to 3 months for the registration to "filter through" all the various companies that use DMA's listing. Here's the website: http://www.dmaconsumers.org/consumerassistance.html Of course, only the more reputable firms do this, but it's a start and really cut down the volume of traffic I have to deal with. Secondly, using the method you described in Outlook Express isn't going to block spam emails successfully, as you're discovering. What you're doing is blocking each sender, one at a time, as you experience mail from it. Unfortunately, many of these outfits use blind sites, which of course is why they're spam, and don't use the sending address more than a day or two before creating a new one. There's SOME relief, but it means you have to study and anticipate the kinds of messages you get and build rules based on the SUBJECT line. Here's where it gets hairy. For example, we've all probably been bombarded by the "increase male performance" messages. So I set up a rule that excluded anything mentioning Viagra. But then I started getting messages touting v1agra. As I learned the tricks these bozos use, I've had to keep updating my rules to include all sorts of drug names, body part names, and so on. It's a pain, but at that I believe it's probably taking me much less time in a week to update those rules than it's taking you every day to block each message. It's the old, old story that as soon as you make something idiot-proof, they come out with a better grade of idiot. These spamming knuckleheads are constantly trying to find ways to get around the blocking of people who don't want their messages. So we're constantly in a reactive mode to their "attacks," not unlike the anti-virus software companies. What's ironic to the max, at least to me, is this. If I don't want your message, and you irritate me so much with them anyway, what in blazes is the chance that I'll ever buy your product? In other words, all the effort these screwballs put into getting around my express wishes to the contrary is completely wasted. What a world. Anyway, because some of the terms are offensive, I'm not going to post my rule here, but I will send it to you offline and you can use it or ignore it as you choose. On the other hand, if you find a better spam "solution," please share it with us! -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: Spam > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > I've asked this before, and now hafta do *something.* I'm using the spam blocker on Outlook Express, under "message," "create rule for message," and all it seems to do is intensify the spam. Nearly 2,000 blocked addresses now, and still getting over 200 spams a day, and nearly that many kicked directly into the "deleted" file. A huge number from that "paris hilton" foolishness. This is insane, and companies are defending their "right" to do this to us, while our joyful politicians dither. I'd like to defend my right to strangle the bastards. Some time ago, Don G. and a couple of others recommended the "Postini" spam blocker, but looking at their website makes me think they're aimed at commercial users. Is this true, or do they work with individuals ?? I thought about the Earthlink version, but I understand that you have to enter the addresses you'll accept mail from. This is awkward for me, cause I get many emails from website readers, off-line Kolb! > Listers, etc. I've gotta do something, sports fans..................this is driving me loco. Hair Pullin' Lar. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > www.gogittum.com > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:37 AM PST US From: "John Cooley" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: marII twinstar --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" Paul, I have owned two Twinstar Mark II's and agree whole heartily with Eugene. I wouldn't consider putting the 912 engine on one. I didn't know the 582/532 series of engines wouldn't work though. I have considered putting one of these engines on the Mark II just for the additional climb with two onboard, not more top speed. The 503 is barely enough with two people at 190 pounds each. Later, John Cooley -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: marII twinstar --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman --> Paul, I am not Dennis but I am sure The Mark II is NOT suited for the 912. Kolb only used the 503 on the Mark II. Even the 582 will not fit and still allow the wings to fold without major airframe changes. The Mark II uses the 5" wing spar and fuse. with seven ribs same as the Firestar. I am sure D. S. will never approve of using a 912 on a Mark II. Paul Petty wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Kolbers, > Does anyone have Dennis Souders e-mail address. Or if you read this > post, Dennis, Could you tell me if a Mark2 twinstar is capable of > mounting and safely flying a 912UL engine? > > > pp > > do not archive > == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:24 AM PST US From: "Jim Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: marII twinstar --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Hauck" I may start a "chit" storm here, but I have been known to do that. I rebuilt a Twinstar for Adriel Hiessy a few moons ago. While I was rebuilding, I added some structural tubes to the cage and he is using a 912 on his twinstar now. If the large bay between the landing gear and rear portion of the cage is broken up with an additional X member and the rear Box is crossed braced it will carry a 912. This only adds very few pounds of weight. If any one is interested I have pic's of the changes I made to Adriels gage. Jim Hauck ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:07 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spam --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Lar, here are some filtering programs that will work with Outlook Express, you might want to try one of them. http://www.outlookexpression.com/oe/spam/default.asp Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 08:50 AM 12/29/03 -0800, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > > Listers, etc. I've gotta do something, sports > fans..................this is driving me loco. Hair > Pullin' Lar. > >Larry Bourne >Palm Springs, CA >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB >www.gogittum.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:18 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: thanks RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Thanks guys. I'm convinced. I could not remember the size of John Cooley's airplane and just as a thought, I was thinking of buying it and installing my 912 for Charley to fly to Alaska next summer. pp do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:10 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Off Topic - Spam --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Lar, (little long but worth the read) Give MailWasher a try - if it works for you send them a donation. http://www.mailwasher.net/ The problem with most of the Spam Filters are they are just that filters - the MailWasher software as allows you to bounce the message. Some of these service do collect the bounces and after so many will remove your address from there good address list. It will definitely shut down Yahoo Mail Accounts if they receive more than so many bounces. No bounce means it good and they keep pumping, renting, and selling it. The software allows you to easily add spammer addresses to it's black list or friends list. You can select for it to automatically delete know spam addresses - it will then mark possible spams also. I've found it to be very effective weeding out the good from the bad. The next rule is "never, never" reply back to a spam message with a remove option. That puts you on there know good address list - your address is now worth even more. Spam is getting to be a problem - the ISP's could help by adding the ability for subscribers to bounce messages but don't. Another way addresses are collected are email chain letters - be surprised how many people with good intentions want to share these things and offers with all their friends. Your good friend adds all his friends addresses to the To: or Cc: address field rather than the Bcc: field (blind copy). By doing so your address then gets added to and is visible with the many others on list. If the Bcc: field were used at least your addresses would not show up on each copy. These are excellent ways for collectors to obtain active addresses that they may not collect off group or mail list. Newsgroup and mail list are another source of addresses for collection. They use robots to collect addresses of group and mail list - the newsgroup list they don't even have to subscribe to just scan messages - mail groups they subscribe and collect addresses until their detected if they ever are. This is why I use two or more addresses - one for personal mail, the other for use on list. I then have a filter set up to separate all inbox messages and transfer them to the proper associated mail box based upon the "subject title", example "Kolb-List: ". This works very well. Last method is to shut off cookies - I use Norton Internet Security for this feature. It does two things, it alerts you to things that you have predetermined and entered as private information and alerts you if there is an attempt to send out that information and when detected offers your the selection of permitting or blocking it being sent. I also use the privacy feature to disable sending cookies with my information - that is where many web sites get your email address. Ever notice that you go surfing web sites for say magazines - suddenly there after you bombarded with emails related to magazine sites and subscriptions. That's how they get it. This stuff gets maddening after a while. I've found that the bouncing feature of MailWasher does help. It will not kill all spammers but reduces the quantity you receive. Again I use at least two email addresses - one for personal and one for play. Make them more unique by adding two or three digits. There is a secondary reason for this especially for your personal email address - if you should change addresses, you might want it less likely for another follow on subscriber to assume the same address. Some prior business sites will broadcast messages to the address that contain password or private info. Wonder how I know this, I was surprised businesses would blindly send messages to the address containing that confidential information over a year later. Most ISP's will only keep any released address inactive for 3-6 months at the longest, some it's available immediately after you release it. Some ISP's also have a internal address to which their subscribers can forward email messages to for spam filtering. See it's to their advantage to help kill it as it consumes their data storage and bandwidth resources. So now you know how some of this works and a little of how to protect and reduce you exposure. jerb do not archive At 08:50 AM 12/29/03 -0800, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > >I've asked this before, and now hafta do *something.* I'm using the spam >blocker on Outlook Express, under "message," "create rule for message," >and all it seems to do is intensify the spam. Nearly 2,000 blocked >addresses now, and still getting over 200 spams a day, and nearly that >many kicked directly into the "deleted" file. A huge number from that >"paris hilton" foolishness. This is insane, and companies are defending >their "right" to do this to us, while our joyful politicians dither. I'd >like to defend my right to strangle the bastards. Some >time ago, Don G. and a couple of others recommended the "Postini" spam >blocker, but looking at their website makes me think they're aimed at >commercial users. Is this true, or do they work with individuals ?? I >thought about the Earthlink version, but I understand that you have to >enter the addresses you'll accept mail from. This is awkward for me, >cause I get many emails from website readers, off-line Kolb! > Listers, etc. I've gotta do something, sports > fans..................this is driving me loco. Hair > Pullin' Lar. > >Larry Bourne >Palm Springs, CA >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB >www.gogittum.com > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:20 AM PST US From: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM Subject: Kolb-List: Mon Valley Dates --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM Kolb Friends - I just got my Kitchen Pass for attending our 2004 Monument Valley get-together! I'll likely trailer my plane up from the Albuquerque area. What are the generally-agreed on dates so far? I recall seeing talk of 14-17 May (Fri-Mon). Is that still the plan? Dennis Kirby Mark-3, Verner-powered in Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:35 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: marII twinstar --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Jim H, Gang Speaking of cage mods...Brother John explained to me once that the FireFly front half of the cage was the same as the original FireStar...or something like that..I cant remember zactly...now...what mods..if any..do you think might be needed on the back half to make a Firefly save to carry a 503...or maybe a 582...?? or is that getting going to far?. The goal would be only to get about 10 or 15 mph more cruise so as to be able to keep up in flight with the fellas who cruise at 70 or so...My FireFly will run that fast now...but it is about stem wound at that speed...and I sure would like to go along on some of the cruises that the boys go...but dont want to overtax my engine. cant quite keep up! Don Gherardini FireFly 098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:05 PM PST US From: "Edward Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: markII twinstar --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" Don/All, I've got a MkII/503 that will someday go in for a restoration. If I find it can't keep up with my pals, I think I'd go to a Mk3 rather than all the guesswork of reengineering for an engine it wasn't designed for. I'd never second-guess Homer, plus I like having some options (912, 914, Hirth, VW, etc.). Just my .02 worth. Ed in JXN MkII/503 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: marII twinstar > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > > Jim H, Gang > > Speaking of cage mods...Brother John explained to me once that the FireFly > front half of the cage was the same as the original FireStar...or something > like that..I cant remember zactly...now...what mods..if any..do you think > might be needed on the back half to make a Firefly save to carry a 503...or > maybe a 582...?? > or is that getting going to far?. (Snip) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:51 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Jerb...Tom.... This just shows how much I know also...I am with Jerb...in thinking that a great 40 horse 4 stroke would be just the ticket....But Tom has the expierience of a fella in the biz of supplying engines to this market....and I know he is right as I have heard this from other sources...50 hp is about the minimum size that gets ant attention anymore....I dont understand it...just dont seem right...and I cant figger out why!!!! Maybe if the SPort pilot rule actually causes the ultralights to become more legal by registering all the "heavies", and the "gap" between registered and non-registered widens this would change, and "true" part 103 UL's become more than just the prototype that a manufacturer builds for the entry level model, with most sales goping to the "heavies"...but somehow I just dont think so...I kinda think it has to do with the ability to enforce the rules...and I do see yet how the new rulings will change this other than on 2 seaters. Don Gherardini FireFly 098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:50 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: RE: Kolb-List: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Tom O, Your right Honda couldn't produce a small engine at a competitive price. You say their is no market for a 40-50 HP engine. I'm not so sure about that. Do you recall Amtech's Buddy Twin - it had a lot of interest at Sun & Fun - however they made some radical changes from what they presented one year to their next appearance two years later and ended up missing the target. If they would have moved forward with what they originally presented, they could have gone head to head with Rotax and captured a good portion of the small engine market. The ThunderChieft Citron conversion had a lot of promise as a small engine for the UL's especially tractor configuration. It was compact, had all the goodies (starter, generator). It's too bad they never finished the development. They were on the right track. One of the sleeper is the Constant Pressure engine - they could have a significant influence if they ever get it out. They were also working on an retro-fit kit for the VW. Could their crank technology be applied to the 1/2-VW to reduce it's balance issue, it could be a significant factor. Of coarse what their end products weighs and cost will be the issue. Last I guess is the Needleye engine. It coming along but still not here and like any other new engine expect there to be teething problems until it is field proven. Right now they have 170 flight hours on one of the development engines. Could put a little competitive pressure on the HKS. It may be a little heavier but then again if you add up the weight with all the hoses, coil cooler, tanks, etc, they may be very close in actual weight. jerb At 09:46 AM 12/29/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" > > >There is no market for it. No one is buy ANY 40 hp engines. At least not >enough to justify making them. If you want 50 HP, well you're getting >pretty close to the nich that HKS is filling. > >If there were a demand for them, they would make them, but there just isn't >enough demend to do it and do it right. > >Tom Olenk >Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation. >Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines >Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes >http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com >Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS >Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell...... > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jerb >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > >I vote for a 4-stroke 40 to 50 HP for UL single place application. >jerb > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:04 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mon Valley Dates --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi Dennis K/All (that are interested): I believe 14 through 17 May 2004 is correct. I will probably fly through Sandia East to say hello to the owner/manager of the airport. Mike, I think that is his name. Was really hospitable to me when I came through there and spent the night last year. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:32 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: RE: Kolb-List: tip for trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Oh that hurt - took a little fall this weekend and severally bruised some ribs - when I read that last line it hurt..... good one... 8 ) jerb At 10:49 AM 12/29/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums > > >The Forest Service has issued a BEAR WARNING in the national forests for >this spring. >They're urging everyone to protect themselves by wearing small bells around >their ankles >to warn the bears of your presence - and carry pepper spray. >Campers should be alert for signs of fresh bear activity, and they should >be able to tell the >difference between Black Bear dung and Grizzly Bear dung. Black Bear dung >is rather >small and round. Sometimes you can see fruitseeds and/or squirrel fur in it. > >Grizzly Bear dung has bells in it, and smells like pepper. > >Do not archive > >At 07:35 AM 12/29/2003, you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Paul Petty" > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > > > > > Here is a tip for the Alaska trip. If one finds his or herself being > >chased by grizzly bear, remember, you don't have to out run the bear! > > > Only one other person in your party!!!! > > > > > > Paul Petty > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:26 PM PST US From: "Vic" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: IVO Prop Extension --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic" I am considering installing a 3 blade IVO on my 503 for a Firestar II. I understand from an archive search that an extension is recommended. What is the best length and where do you purchase an extension.? Vic Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:29 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" OK...OK....easy now men....Jerb is right!....To all who have sent me the notices about his post..of course I read it. And no I am not gonna set him straight...think about it. Honda is almost as big as General motors The only way a company of this size can produce anything effieciently is in large volume. Yes...Honda's ability and technology probably enables then to produce the most advanced engines in the world..but to be able to market them successfully, we need a very large market. YES, as some have said... snip<<< look at the price of those v-twins..I just got a Northern tool catalogue in the mail and a 24hp V-twin is 1399.00>>>>.... Snip<<<>>>... YA...I know all this....but here is the deal, and I have said it before...the market is too small... Honda can produce 100,000 engines better and cheaper than anybody else on the planet...but there is no way that Honda could produce a dozen engines anywhere close to the cost that a small "Mom & Pop" shop could....or even a1000...and I doubt that at the 10,000 engine level Honda could make em cheaper than what is on the market already. Think of it this way men....if Kolb sent NASA....or General Motors... a FireFly kit...do you think that they could put it it together cheaper than you could in you shop at home? Of course not...maybe they could assemble 10,000 FireFly kits cheaper than you or I could at home...because of the production tecnology they have ...I really dont know where the volume numbers must cross with the market prices, and many other details I study every day...but for Honda,,it is a bigger Number than the whole UL/microlight/little airplane market is worldwide. So..Jerb is correct . <<>> SNIP/.......as long as the market is so small.... Don Gherardini FireFly 098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:31 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Kolb-List: Haul-A-Hangar --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Hey has anyone noticed the Haul-A-Hangar that serves the purpose of a enclosed trailer and a hangar once at site. A neat concept. Might be worth looking into. http://www.ultralightflyer.com/haulahangar/index.htm jerb ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:31 PM PST US From: FlyColt45@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: marII twinstar --> Kolb-List message posted by: FlyColt45@aol.com I know a few friends that have 503's on their MKIIs. One of them routinely hauled his chunky self and other beefy guys with no problems at all! It is certainty enough power. I had a 583 on mine and probably never needed it. My 2 cents! (sorry Dick : ) Jim Cote ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:01 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: IVO Prop Extension --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" @vcn.com> > > I am considering installing a 3 blade IVO on my 503 for a Firestar II. I > understand from an archive search that an extension is recommended. What is > the best length and where do you purchase an extension.? > > Vic > > Do Not Archive > > > Ivo makes and sells extensions for their props, they are the most economicle around. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:38 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FW: Honda Aircraft Engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Don, You have to keep this into perspective - Tom can sell only what he can get and make money on. Rotax no longer makes the 277 and judging by his recent post sounds like Rotax is trying to make things difficult for him. He began to push some 2Si but now that gig went South. What's left - Hirth, Rotax or HKS. If you noticed he's now talking up the HKS. For smaller engines the 447 is a good engine but unless weight is an issue even my self I would go to the 503 for the benefit of the dual ignition and oil injection. The extra power is secondary. I have plenty of power on my Hawk with the 447 but many people like me would like a 4-stroke engine. I need an engine for my ThunderGull - 40 HP would be perfect - 50 would be OK. I would like a 4 stroke with minimum plumbing. Weight is also important. Other than the HKS, there is nothing there and thus they have no competition and can keep prices high. By the time you get all the necessary add ons to implement it, the cost exceeds $7000. I have a hard time forking over that much for a 2 cylinder engine but whom am I to argue since others are. As result I've begun researching the small 4 cylinder military surplus engines. There is one that would fit and cost me less than half to implement - new $1500 - rebuilt $900. I can do a new engine and add prop and everything needed for less than $3000. I am seriously considering one. There proving to be nice engines for the small aircraft especially those needing a engine for a tractor configuration like the Hipps, Sky Raider, or N3-Pup. The also work well in the pusher configuration. I feel the Sport Pilot Category is causing everyone to run towards the rainbow. "If" it comes out, there will be a demand for larger engines - the present HKS will not satisfy the HP demand. Jabiru and Rotax are better positioned with it's 80 and 100/120 HP offerings. What I'm afraid of is that the compliance portion being put together by the manufacturers has embedded complexity to make them money and thus is going to be to quite costly going the same route as GA aircraft. There's going to be a lot of discouraged people once things shake loose and they see the end results $$$. This may severely damage those same manufacturers that have been supporting the UL category and may cause them to collapse. The only thing in their favor is the drivers license medical required to operate a two place. jerb. . . .still need small 4-stroke do not archive At 03:02 PM 12/29/03 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > >Jerb...Tom.... > >This just shows how much I know also...I am with Jerb...in thinking that a >great 40 horse 4 stroke would be just the ticket....But Tom has the >expierience of a fella in the biz of supplying engines to this market....and >I know he is right as I have heard this from other sources...50 hp is about >the minimum size that gets ant attention anymore....I dont understand >it...just dont seem right...and I cant figger out why!!!! > >Maybe if the SPort pilot rule actually causes the ultralights to become more >legal by registering all the "heavies", and the "gap" between registered and >non-registered widens this would change, and "true" part 103 UL's become >more than just the prototype that a manufacturer builds for the entry level >model, with most sales goping to the "heavies"...but somehow I just dont >think so...I kinda think it has to do with the ability to enforce the >rules...and I do see yet how the new rulings will change this other than on >2 seaters. > >Don Gherardini >FireFly 098 >http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:11 PM PST US From: "James and Cathy Tripp" Subject: Kolb-List: Brass Nuts and Toggle Switches --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" Questions for the list: 1. Instruments are screwed onto the panel with black oxide brass screws. I found the screws I need but what about the nuts? Does anyone have a part number or source for brass nuts or do you use something else? 2. I'm also looking for what type of toggle switch to use for the master switch and power switches to accessories like fuel pump, EIS, mag kill, com, strobes, etc. I'm not that smart on electronics (OK, I'm not all that smart period) so any tips would be greatly appreciated. James Tripp FSII, still painting ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:26 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Brass Nuts and Toggle Switches --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." Try Aircraft Spruce for most stuff homebuilders need. Also LEAF. Bob N. do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:06 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: marII twinstar --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Could be that it's how the individual feels. I flew a 503 powered Mk II about 6 yrs ago, with a 240 lb instructor. Add in my 200 lbs, and I was very glad we were at El Mirage dry lake, with about 7 miles of "runway." Climb was very slow, and stall, cruise, and top speeds were so close together that I felt like we were right on the edge, the whole time we were flying. It didn't hurt my feelings a bit to get out of THAT airplane. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: marII twinstar > --> Kolb-List message posted by: FlyColt45@aol.com > > I know a few friends that have 503's on their MKIIs. One of them routinely > hauled his chunky self and other beefy guys with no problems at all! It is > certainty enough power. I had a 583 on mine and probably never needed it. My 2 > cents! (sorry Dick : ) > Jim Cote > >