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1. 09:25 AM - Re: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT ON MK III X COMPLETE (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
2. 01:18 PM - Re: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT ON MK III X COMPLETE (Jim Ballenger)
3. 01:21 PM - Re: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT ON MK III X COMPLETE (Jim Ballenger)
4. 04:02 PM - up and away (again) (Woody)
5. 04:42 PM - Re: up and away (again) (Jim Ballenger)
6. 05:17 PM - Re: up and away (again) (ronnie wehba)
7. 05:53 PM - Re: up and away (again) (jerb)
8. 06:38 PM - Re: up and away (again) (ronnie wehba)
9. 06:42 PM - Re: up and away (again) (Bob Bean)
10. 07:33 PM - Re: up and away (again) (Woody)
11. 07:37 PM - Re: up and away (again) (Woody)
12. 07:47 PM - Re: up and away (again) (herbgh@juno.com)
13. 08:00 PM - Re: up and away (again) (herbgh@juno.com)
14. 08:28 PM - rig wings. (boyd young)
15. 08:52 PM - Uv protection (herbgh@juno.com)
16. 09:28 PM - First Flight Pilot Preparation (kuffel)
17. 10:31 PM - Re: First Flight Pilot Preparation (Don Gherardini)
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| Subject: | WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT ON MK III X COMPLETE |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
Jim,
Excellent!
Glad the process went smooth as silk! How did the wings fold up? Were there any
problems there?
Ben R. has a point with his post. I have seen root ribs not built in the wing
square, which changed the way the plane is rigged. But, I know that Kolb has
made the plane almost fool proof with room to make up for inaccuracy.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Ballenger [mailto:ulpilot@cavtel.net]
Subject: Kolb-List: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT ON MK III X COMPLETE
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
All
I spoke with Ray Brown at Kolb and he told me how he attached and aligned the wings
to the Kolbs he built. His method was so simple and seemed the easiest I
decided to use it and not what is published in the construction manual. Here
is how I did it.
First I took the plan measurements on the wing tab and cage tabs for the clevis
pin location and carefully measured and drilled the holes before I did anything
else. Believe me, it took me a while to work up the courage to drill those
holes without putting the wing and cage together first. I then leveled the
cage in the roll axis and raised the tail to level the wings in the pitch axis.
The next step was to attached the wings with the clevis pins at the spar and
then get my distance from the wingtips to the leading of the rudder the same
and drill the drag strut fitting. I then raised the wing tips 1.5" to achieve
the require dihedral and attached the lift struts.
Both wings are at the same angle of incidence and the wing tip to rudder measurement
was with in 1/8 " for both wings as well as the lift strut lengths were
within 1/8". I also have a digital level that I checked each wing with and both
wings were within 1/10 of a degree of each other.
I started this at 1p.m. yesterday and finished at 7 p.m. a total of 6 hours. I
am completely satisfied with the results and amazed at how smooth it went using
Ray's technique.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
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| Subject: | Re: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT ON MK III X COMPLETE |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Ben
Believe me, I really had to convince myself this was the best way and then
go for it. I had and still have doubts this will work for all cases due to
the differences you pointed out. However, with that said it worked for me
and I am very happy it is over with. What a load off my shoulders.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Ransom" <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT ON MK III X COMPLETE
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
>
> Whoa!
> I can see how this would work some, or maybe even a lot of the time,
> but all of the time would really surprise me. There are differences in
> how cages come off of weld jigs, and to think that the location of the
> three points for wing attach (to cage) would match from side to side
> seems a lot to ask for. The method would also require pretty similar
> root ribs, altho these are smaller parts than the cage, with less
> likelihood of height differences that would affect incidence angle.
> I'm impressed, but would be too chicken to try this myself. :)
>
> BTW, on my rebuild, I had the hole in the wing tab, as well as
> corresponding holes in the top cage tabs welded closed so I could go
> thru the "fun ?" longer process again.
> -Ben
>
> --- Jim Ballenger <ulpilot@cavtel.net> wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
> >
> > All
> > I spoke with Ray Brown at Kolb and he told me how he attached and
> > aligned the wings to the Kolbs he built. His method was so simple
> > and seemed the easiest I decided to use it and not what is published
> > in the construction manual. Here is how I did it.
> >
> > First I took the plan measurements on the wing tab and cage tabs for
> > the clevis pin location and carefully measured and drilled the holes
> > before I did anything else. Believe me, it took me a while to work
> > up the courage to drill those holes without putting the wing and cage
> > together first. I then leveled the cage in the roll axis and raised
> > the tail to level the wings in the pitch axis. The next step was to
> > attached the wings with the clevis pins at the spar and then get my
> > distance from the wingtips to the leading of the rudder the same and
> > drill the drag strut fitting. I then raised the wing tips 1.5" to
> > achieve the require dihedral and attached the lift struts.
> >
> > Both wings are at the same angle of incidence and the wing tip to
> > rudder measurement was with in 1/8 " for both wings as well as the
> > lift strut lengths were within 1/8". I also have a digital level
> > that I checked each wing with and both wings were within 1/10 of a
> > degree of each other.
> >
> > I started this at 1p.m. yesterday and finished at 7 p.m. a total of 6
> > hours. I am completely satisfied with the results and amazed at how
> > smooth it went using Ray's technique.
> >
> > Jim Ballenger
> > Flying a FS KXP 447
> > Building a MK III X
> > Virginia Beach, VA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> http://mae.ucdavis.edu/~ransom
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT ON MK III X COMPLETE |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Tim
I haven't tried to fold the wings yet. You may have a good point, they may
not rest where they should when folded. I'll let you know when I try to
fold them.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gherkins Tim-rp3420" <rp3420@motorola.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT ON MK III X COMPLETE
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
>
> Jim,
> Excellent!
> Glad the process went smooth as silk! How did the wings fold up? Were
there any problems there?
> Ben R. has a point with his post. I have seen root ribs not built in the
wing square, which changed the way the plane is rigged. But, I know that
Kolb has made the plane almost fool proof with room to make up for
inaccuracy.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Ballenger [mailto:ulpilot@cavtel.net]
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT ON MK III X COMPLETE
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
>
> All
> I spoke with Ray Brown at Kolb and he told me how he attached and aligned
the wings to the Kolbs he built. His method was so simple and seemed the
easiest I decided to use it and not what is published in the construction
manual. Here is how I did it.
>
> First I took the plan measurements on the wing tab and cage tabs for the
clevis pin location and carefully measured and drilled the holes before I
did anything else. Believe me, it took me a while to work up the courage
to drill those holes without putting the wing and cage together first. I
then leveled the cage in the roll axis and raised the tail to level the
wings in the pitch axis. The next step was to attached the wings with the
clevis pins at the spar and then get my distance from the wingtips to the
leading of the rudder the same and drill the drag strut fitting. I then
raised the wing tips 1.5" to achieve the require dihedral and attached the
lift struts.
>
> Both wings are at the same angle of incidence and the wing tip to rudder
measurement was with in 1/8 " for both wings as well as the lift strut
lengths were within 1/8". I also have a digital level that I checked each
wing with and both wings were within 1/10 of a degree of each other.
>
> I started this at 1p.m. yesterday and finished at 7 p.m. a total of 6
hours. I am completely satisfied with the results and amazed at how smooth
it went using Ray's technique.
>
> Jim Ballenger
> Flying a FS KXP 447
> Building a MK III X
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
>
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| Subject: | up and away (again) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
It took 2 and a half years but the club plane finally made it into the
air. We bought the kit in florida for a club to build. It was promised that
all members would help and they did for the first couple months. Then it
became a Woody and Andy project. I will not do a club project again lots of
support in the beginning but not a lot of follow through. Being the one
pushing for a Kolb I felt obligated to finish the project. Last night it
flew. Standard Mk 111 with a 582 built to the plans. I could not believe
the different feel of the aircraft. The ailerons were light!!!! I could
even wag the wings. I have never experienced this on a Kolb before. It was
getting dark so I only spent 10 minutes in the air but what a nice flight. I
will report on further tests but so far I am incredibly happy with the
performance shown in that first flight. One more Kolb in the air and one
more waiting beside my hanger for a rebuild. Had a wiener roast here last
Sunday about 25 people showed up and we had 4 Kolbs on the field. 3 Mk 111s
and my original Twinstar. I hope the photos turn out.
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| Subject: | Re: up and away (again) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Woody
Congratulations. You stated the ailerons were light. Did you drill and
attach per the plan or did you do a modification to the hole location?
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: up and away (again)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
>
> It took 2 and a half years but the club plane finally made it into the
> air. We bought the kit in florida for a club to build. It was promised
that
> all members would help and they did for the first couple months. Then it
> became a Woody and Andy project. I will not do a club project again lots
of
> support in the beginning but not a lot of follow through. Being the one
> pushing for a Kolb I felt obligated to finish the project. Last night it
> flew. Standard Mk 111 with a 582 built to the plans. I could not believe
> the different feel of the aircraft. The ailerons were light!!!! I could
> even wag the wings. I have never experienced this on a Kolb before. It was
> getting dark so I only spent 10 minutes in the air but what a nice flight.
I
> will report on further tests but so far I am incredibly happy with the
> performance shown in that first flight. One more Kolb in the air and one
> more waiting beside my hanger for a rebuild. Had a wiener roast here last
> Sunday about 25 people showed up and we had 4 Kolbs on the field. 3 Mk
111s
> and my original Twinstar. I hope the photos turn out.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: up and away (again) |
BAYES_30, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
Just reading this post about aileron weights,my ultrastar is really heavy,
any ideas??
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: up and away (again)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
>
> Woody
> Congratulations. You stated the ailerons were light. Did you drill and
> attach per the plan or did you do a modification to the hole location?
> Jim Ballenger
> Flying a FS KXP 447
> Building a MK III X
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: up and away (again)
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> >
> >
> > It took 2 and a half years but the club plane finally made it into the
> > air. We bought the kit in florida for a club to build. It was promised
> that
> > all members would help and they did for the first couple months. Then it
> > became a Woody and Andy project. I will not do a club project again lots
> of
> > support in the beginning but not a lot of follow through. Being the one
> > pushing for a Kolb I felt obligated to finish the project. Last night it
> > flew. Standard Mk 111 with a 582 built to the plans. I could not
believe
> > the different feel of the aircraft. The ailerons were light!!!! I could
> > even wag the wings. I have never experienced this on a Kolb before. It
was
> > getting dark so I only spent 10 minutes in the air but what a nice
flight.
> I
> > will report on further tests but so far I am incredibly happy with the
> > performance shown in that first flight. One more Kolb in the air and one
> > more waiting beside my hanger for a rebuild. Had a wiener roast here
last
> > Sunday about 25 people showed up and we had 4 Kolbs on the field. 3 Mk
> 111s
> > and my original Twinstar. I hope the photos turn out.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: up and away (again) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
I think you mean required aileron stick force - don't want readers to
confuse weight and force as there are some counter balance weights that
some Kolbs use to balance the ailerons which is a whole different topic.
jerb
At 07:13 PM 7/17/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>
>Just reading this post about aileron weights,my ultrastar is really heavy,
>any ideas??
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: up and away (again)
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
> >
> > Woody
> > Congratulations. You stated the ailerons were light. Did you drill and
> > attach per the plan or did you do a modification to the hole location?
> > Jim Ballenger
> > Flying a FS KXP 447
> > Building a MK III X
> > Virginia Beach, VA
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kolb-List: up and away (again)
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> > >
> > >
> > > It took 2 and a half years but the club plane finally made it into the
> > > air. We bought the kit in florida for a club to build. It was promised
> > that
> > > all members would help and they did for the first couple months. Then it
> > > became a Woody and Andy project. I will not do a club project again lots
> > of
> > > support in the beginning but not a lot of follow through. Being the one
> > > pushing for a Kolb I felt obligated to finish the project. Last night it
> > > flew. Standard Mk 111 with a 582 built to the plans. I could not
>believe
> > > the different feel of the aircraft. The ailerons were light!!!! I could
> > > even wag the wings. I have never experienced this on a Kolb before. It
>was
> > > getting dark so I only spent 10 minutes in the air but what a nice
>flight.
> > I
> > > will report on further tests but so far I am incredibly happy with the
> > > performance shown in that first flight. One more Kolb in the air and one
> > > more waiting beside my hanger for a rebuild. Had a wiener roast here
>last
> > > Sunday about 25 people showed up and we had 4 Kolbs on the field. 3 Mk
> > 111s
> > > and my original Twinstar. I hope the photos turn out.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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BAYES_30, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
you are right sorry!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: up and away (again)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
>
> I think you mean required aileron stick force - don't want readers to
> confuse weight and force as there are some counter balance weights that
> some Kolbs use to balance the ailerons which is a whole different topic.
> jerb
>
> At 07:13 PM 7/17/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> >
> >Just reading this post about aileron weights,my ultrastar is really
heavy,
> >any ideas??
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
> >To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: up and away (again)
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
> > >
> > > Woody
> > > Congratulations. You stated the ailerons were light. Did you drill
and
> > > attach per the plan or did you do a modification to the hole location?
> > > Jim Ballenger
> > > Flying a FS KXP 447
> > > Building a MK III X
> > > Virginia Beach, VA
> > >
> > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> > > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kolb-List: up and away (again)
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It took 2 and a half years but the club plane finally made it into
the
> > > > air. We bought the kit in florida for a club to build. It was
promised
> > > that
> > > > all members would help and they did for the first couple months.
Then it
> > > > became a Woody and Andy project. I will not do a club project again
lots
> > > of
> > > > support in the beginning but not a lot of follow through. Being the
one
> > > > pushing for a Kolb I felt obligated to finish the project. Last
night it
> > > > flew. Standard Mk 111 with a 582 built to the plans. I could not
> >believe
> > > > the different feel of the aircraft. The ailerons were light!!!! I
could
> > > > even wag the wings. I have never experienced this on a Kolb before.
It
> >was
> > > > getting dark so I only spent 10 minutes in the air but what a nice
> >flight.
> > > I
> > > > will report on further tests but so far I am incredibly happy with
the
> > > > performance shown in that first flight. One more Kolb in the air and
one
> > > > more waiting beside my hanger for a rebuild. Had a wiener roast here
> >last
> > > > Sunday about 25 people showed up and we had 4 Kolbs on the field. 3
Mk
> > > 111s
> > > > and my original Twinstar. I hope the photos turn out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: up and away (again) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Woody wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
>
> It took 2 and a half years but the club plane finally made it into the
>air.
> The ailerons were light!!!! I could
>even wag the wings.
>-------------------------------------------------------
>
Yes Woody, inquiring minds want to know...what was different about that
bird to give it better manners? Sounds like some of your club members are
like the barnyard critters in the fable "the Little Red Hen" . They'll
likely
show when it time to fly it. Maybe if you'd served some of that fine
Canadian ale at the meetings? -BB do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: up and away (again) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Then I would never get anything done.
> show when it time to fly it. Maybe if you'd served some of that fine
> Canadian ale at the meetings? -BB do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: up and away (again) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> Congratulations. You stated the ailerons were light. Did you drill and
> attach per the plan or did you do a modification to the hole location?
>
I wish I knew what I did. Everything was done acording to plans. Only
thing I can see is that the ailerons were reflexed up a bit. On the flying
totem pole the ailerons are so heavy I have added spades to try to lighten
them. Maybe this weekend I will take it up for a flight and see if it works.
Should be going to a michigan fly in on Sat. Hope to see some list members
there.
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| Subject: | Re: up and away (again) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Ronnie
I haven't flown my ultrastar as of yet but I took about 30% of the
chord off of mine. Aparently another fix is to lengthen the bel cranks
or any other way to gain mechanical advantage. The answer, as applied to
other models is in the archives somewhere?? I have the same problem on
my Zmax . Herb
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:56:39 -0700 jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
>
> I think you mean required aileron stick force - don't want readers
> to
> confuse weight and force as there are some counter balance weights
> that
> some Kolbs use to balance the ailerons which is a whole different
> topic.
> jerb
>
> At 07:13 PM 7/17/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> >
> >Just reading this post about aileron weights,my ultrastar is really
> heavy,
> >any ideas??
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
> >To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: up and away (again)
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger"
> <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
> > >
> > > Woody
> > > Congratulations. You stated the ailerons were light. Did you
> drill and
> > > attach per the plan or did you do a modification to the hole
> location?
> > > Jim Ballenger
> > > Flying a FS KXP 447
> > > Building a MK III X
> > > Virginia Beach, VA
> > >
> > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> > > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kolb-List: up and away (again)
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody"
> <duesouth@govital.net>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It took 2 and a half years but the club plane finally made
> it into the
> > > > air. We bought the kit in florida for a club to build. It was
> promised
> > > that
> > > > all members would help and they did for the first couple
> months. Then it
> > > > became a Woody and Andy project. I will not do a club project
> again lots
> > > of
> > > > support in the beginning but not a lot of follow through.
> Being the one
> > > > pushing for a Kolb I felt obligated to finish the project.
> Last night it
> > > > flew. Standard Mk 111 with a 582 built to the plans. I could
> not
> >believe
> > > > the different feel of the aircraft. The ailerons were light!!!!
> I could
> > > > even wag the wings. I have never experienced this on a Kolb
> before. It
> >was
> > > > getting dark so I only spent 10 minutes in the air but what a
> nice
> >flight.
> > > I
> > > > will report on further tests but so far I am incredibly happy
> with the
> > > > performance shown in that first flight. One more Kolb in the
> air and one
> > > > more waiting beside my hanger for a rebuild. Had a wiener
> roast here
> >last
> > > > Sunday about 25 people showed up and we had 4 Kolbs on the
> field. 3 Mk
> > > 111s
> > > > and my original Twinstar. I hope the photos turn out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: up and away (again) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Hi Group and Ronnie
I forgot to say that (opinion!! ) I think that the ailerons are fairly
fragile and I would worry about adding too much mechanical advantage to
them. On the Ultrastar the aileron spar is .028 6061 as I recall. Herb
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:46:48 -0500 herbgh@juno.com writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
>
> Ronnie
> I haven't flown my ultrastar as of yet but I took about 30% of
> the
> chord off of mine. Aparently another fix is to lengthen the bel
> cranks
> or any other way to gain mechanical advantage. The answer, as
> applied to
> other models is in the archives somewhere?? I have the same problem
> on
> my Zmax . Herb
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:56:39 -0700 jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
> writes:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
> >
> > I think you mean required aileron stick force - don't want readers
>
> > to
> > confuse weight and force as there are some counter balance weights
>
> > that
> > some Kolbs use to balance the ailerons which is a whole different
>
> > topic.
> > jerb
> >
> > At 07:13 PM 7/17/03 -0500, you wrote:
> > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba"
> <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> > >
> > >Just reading this post about aileron weights,my ultrastar is
> really
> > heavy,
> > >any ideas??
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
> > >To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: up and away (again)
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger"
> > <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
> > > >
> > > > Woody
> > > > Congratulations. You stated the ailerons were light. Did you
>
> > drill and
> > > > attach per the plan or did you do a modification to the hole
> > location?
> > > > Jim Ballenger
> > > > Flying a FS KXP 447
> > > > Building a MK III X
> > > > Virginia Beach, VA
> > > >
> > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> > > > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Kolb-List: up and away (again)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody"
> > <duesouth@govital.net>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It took 2 and a half years but the club plane finally made
>
> > it into the
> > > > > air. We bought the kit in florida for a club to build. It was
>
> > promised
> > > > that
> > > > > all members would help and they did for the first couple
> > months. Then it
> > > > > became a Woody and Andy project. I will not do a club
> project
> > again lots
> > > > of
> > > > > support in the beginning but not a lot of follow through.
> > Being the one
> > > > > pushing for a Kolb I felt obligated to finish the project.
> > Last night it
> > > > > flew. Standard Mk 111 with a 582 built to the plans. I
> could
> > not
> > >believe
> > > > > the different feel of the aircraft. The ailerons were
> light!!!!
> > I could
> > > > > even wag the wings. I have never experienced this on a Kolb
>
> > before. It
> > >was
> > > > > getting dark so I only spent 10 minutes in the air but what
> a
> > nice
> > >flight.
> > > > I
> > > > > will report on further tests but so far I am incredibly
> happy
> > with the
> > > > > performance shown in that first flight. One more Kolb in the
>
> > air and one
> > > > > more waiting beside my hanger for a rebuild. Had a wiener
> > roast here
> > >last
> > > > > Sunday about 25 people showed up and we had 4 Kolbs on the
> > field. 3 Mk
> > > > 111s
> > > > > and my original Twinstar. I hope the photos turn out.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<ulpilot@cavtel.net>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
All
I am nearing the wing alignment and attachment to the cage of my MK III X kit.
I have read and reread the building manual and have a few questions. I plan
on calling the factory to clear up some nagging concerns I have. Any lessons
learned out there? Any and all tidbits of info on how to proceed will be appreciated.
Thanks
Jim Ballenger
on my first build i followed the plans exactly.... when i rolled into a 30 to
45 deg bank and let go of the stick the bank angle would increase.... ( negitive
roll stability ) when i rebuilt i doubled the dihedrial, when put into
a bank and let of the stick the bank stays the same.... ( netrual roll stability
) I am glad i made the change.
boyd
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Kolbers
I had an intersting conversation with a PHD ,who works for Eastman
Chemicals in East Tenn., a few days ago. When the conversation got
around to uv protection; he was quite surprised to discover that such
protection on fabric airplanes uses coats of "aluminum paint" to do
the job. His point being that excellent(he called it near absolute) uv
protection is available in the clear coat that goes over base coat
colors in modern auto's. I was distracted and did not get to ask about
plasticizers and such. Food for thought! I think that TNK uses auto
paints and they tend to crack after a while?
I have a 5 year old mini max that was painted this way and except for
hangar rash I have not seen any cracks develop in it. Sherwin-Williams
Ultra 7000. Applied over poly brush I think. So slick and shiny that it
looks like mono cote! I did not build or paint it by the way. Herb
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| Subject: | First Flight Pilot Preparation |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Don G,
Even if you get lots of Kolb flights at Oshkosh would like to point out
the number one correlate to a safe first flight is recency and VARIETY
of experience. In addition to as many different Kolb models, suggest
you get some refresher dual in a Cessna 150 and an early Champ and a Cub
and a PA-28 and a .....
Also go to the EAA website and get hooked up with a Flight Advisor.
He/she can give you lots of help and support. I did all of the above
for my homebuilt Prospector's first flight even though I am also an EAA
Flight Advisor with over 3000 hours and a fair amount of prior test
flight experience.
Finally, the consensus of the real Kolb experts on the list is to make
the early landings with power on.
Congratulations on your approaching first flight, I'm jealous.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight Pilot Preparation |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Tom, thanks for those words of advice my friend. and Ill take it as good
advice BTW...!
I did in fact get a couple of hours in a Phoinex dual last weekend in
preparition for this. This weekend, I hope to get thru a Biannual Flight
Review in a C-150. (1st one since 86) And hopefully I will get a ride in a 2
seat Kolb in the near future.
I Did 30 minutes or so of taxi-testing with it today Not at a strip..but out
behind the barn ya might say...not enough room, trees all around..,
MAN..that little bird wanted to fly..but I have not done the Cg calcs yet
and I will do them at Tommies airpark, where I have a hangar rented and Tom
has a good set of scales to do it right ..I am trying to borrow a trailer
for the 50 mile trip. .........If it all comes out right...shes ready....and
hopefully I will be!
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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