Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:19 AM - Re: Beauford's add? (Larry Bourne)
2. 12:22 AM - Re: Kolbra Update (Larry Bourne)
3. 05:44 AM - grind carbon? danger! (Jim Gerken)
4. 07:19 AM - Re: solo and capacitor question (GeoR38@aol.com)
5. 07:49 AM - Re: solo and capacitor question (GeoR38@aol.com)
6. 08:28 AM - Re: calling (GeoR38@aol.com)
7. 11:44 AM - FireFly & Propeller Off Set (Jack & Louise Hart)
8. 01:38 PM - Re: Kolbra Update (Jim Ballenger)
9. 01:50 PM - Re: calling (John Hauck)
10. 01:57 PM - Re: Kolbra Update (John Williamson)
11. 02:11 PM - Re: calling (John Hauck)
12. 02:25 PM - Re: calling (Bob N.)
13. 02:58 PM - Re: calling (John Hauck)
14. 04:30 PM - Re: solo and capacitor question (James and Cathy Tripp)
15. 05:08 PM - Re: calling (Kirk Smith)
16. 05:39 PM - Re: calling (CRAIG M NELSON)
17. 06:12 PM - Re: calling (Bob N.)
18. 06:22 PM - oncle craig (Bob Bean)
19. 07:06 PM - Re: ENGINE MOUNT RAILS (CRAIG M NELSON)
20. 07:23 PM - Re: ENGINE MOUNT RAILS (John Hauck)
21. 07:25 PM - Re: calling (John Hauck)
22. 07:36 PM - Re: ENGINE MOUNT RAILS (John Williamson)
23. 07:39 PM - torque (Bob Bean)
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| Subject: | Re: Beauford's add? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I tried that one a few days ago, and it was rejected. Haven't heard from
Beauford in a while. Anyone ?? Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Beauford's add?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> Last I heard it was beauford@tampabay.rr.com
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> do not archive
>
>
> At 09:51 PM 1/12/04 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
> >
> >Anyone have a Good add fer ol' Beauford? I keep getting a reject notice,
> >saying...
> >over quota... What quota? Is he rationed?
> >
> >Bob N.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbra Update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
That's why it seems to take so long, John..............you're doing a major
rebuild, not just a repair. Vamoose' new legs are done ! ! !
Going to bring him home on Friday. WoooooooHoooooo ! ! !
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolbra Update
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Fellow Kolbers,
>
> For those folks keeping track of me, here are links to photos of the
latest
> updates on progress:
>
> Kolbra Mods Update 01/10/2004
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/KolbraMods-2.htm
>
> Kolbra Mods Update 12/31/2003
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/KolbraMods-1.htm
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra: 508 hours, Rotax 912 ULS
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | grind carbon? danger! |
01/13/2004 07:43:43 AM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
>The warp drive with its solid carbon construction would seem an ideal
>blade for this kind of shaping... although it probably isn't easy to
>grind carbon fibers
>Topher
Please do not grind or sand carbon without carefull dust control.
Particles of carbon are very bad news to your lungs, like asbestos.
Jim Gerken
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| Subject: | Re: solo and capacitor question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 1/10/04 4:03:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ronoy@shentel.net writes:
>
> Fergot, it's a big electrolytic capacitor---aka a "condenser" to some.
>
> Bob N.
>
> If'n ya can't find the exact duplicate anywhere, just make sure you match its
Working Volts DC and Capacitance Value in Mfd to expect a seamless repair.
George Randolph
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| Subject: | Re: solo and capacitor question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 1/10/04 9:56:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jtripp@elmore.rr.com writes:
> Mike,
> I've got the capacitor that came with my EIS right here in my hand. It is
> blue and about 1" long with a wire out the top and one out the bottom. It
> comes from BC and the label on it says 2200 yf .16V. Actually, it's not
> really a y but a backward y like you're looking at it in a mirror. Hope that
> helps.
>
> James Tripp
> FS II
> that is the greek letter mu meaning micro or in this case times 10 to the
minus 6 or millionths. so the capacitor value is 2thousand 2 hundred micro
farads. Another way to look at it is.... .0022 farads. 1,000,000 micro farads
equals one farad. One farad is a helluva big capacitor (for the rednecks in the
group). But your capacitor is only 2 thousandths that size.....kinda like the
mach business. A jet goes mach one which is the speed of sound at 760 mph.
Kolbers go 50/760 or .066 mach.
All this plus a little money will purchase a cup of java.
just trying to be helpful and put into proper perspective.
George Randolph...the Villages
obviously I miss my Firestar which is stuck in Ohio, now
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 1/12/04 7:25:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, vitalfx0@msn.com
writes:
> I put some pictures on the web site showing techniques I used to make the
> calling today if any one is interested.
> again sorry for the lat post.
> uncle craig
> MKIIIex 912uls warp
> arizona www.milows.com
>
>
no apologies necessary for me buddy, I'm glad you posted it and I learned
from it and the other opposite view as well. Every now and then that stuff is
ok
by me.
George Randolph
firestar driver
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| Subject: | FireFly & Propeller Off Set |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
Kolbers,
I got to fly to day for the first times since Thanksgiving Day. Some days were
flyable, but the FireFly was not. On the day before Thanksgiving one of the
bands for the brakes broke. I tied off the cable so that I had a brake on one
wheel only. After the Thanksgiving Day flight for the grandchildren, the other
band broke. I increased band thickness and recycled the braking material.
I got the new bands installed Sunday. It was the first day warm enough so that
tools did not bite. Also, I rotated the engine belt reducer so that it is
90 degrees to the left and remounted the IVO propeller.
Monday, I attempted to fly, but one of the magnetos was shorted.
Today, I put some booster springs to help retract the fish line to the engine mounted
magneto kill switches, and it solved the problem. Taxied to burn in the
new brake bands, and then flew for about ten minutes. With the new thrust position,
the ball is centered at cruise. Turning/banking to the left requires
little to no rudder for a coordinated turn. Flight time was too short to evaluate
pitch trim, but the thrust line is 5.5 inches to the left and 2.17 inches
below that of the Rotax 447. I hope the weather will be good for this coming
Sunday and the local EAA Chapter 453 meeting. If the thrust line is helping,
it should show up on a two hour trip in reduced fuel consumption and better
ground speed.
I thought the Powerfin was a quieter propeller than the IVO but after a long flight,
I thought the opposite. And so, I have ordered a noise/sound meter so that
I can objectively measure the sound in the cockpit while in flight. After
I get noise readings, I will be cutting the IVO so that it will clear the tail
tube with the belt reducer rotated 135 degrees to the left. This will put the
thrust line 3.89 inches to the left and 6.06 inches below that of the Rotax
447. Then I will cut the IVO tips to Terry's new tip.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbra Update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
John
Great pictures and super progress. I am considering leaving my boom tube in
place while I cover my cage. However, it looks like I would have trouble
getting the fabric attached to the lower part of the cage where the boom
tube connects with the carry through bolt. What problems did you encounter
at that intersection?
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolbra Update
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Fellow Kolbers,
>
> For those folks keeping track of me, here are links to photos of the
latest
> updates on progress:
>
>>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Craig/All:
----- Original Message -----
From: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: calling
I put some pictures on the web site showing techniques I used to make the
calling today if any one is interested.
> MKIIIex 912uls warp
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbra Update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Jim and fellow fabricators,
You just can't be stingy or afraid of getting a little Poly Tak on you or
the boom tube. I had to work the fabric around the tube as far as my fat
fingers and skinny screw drivers would reach. I did the same thing the first
time I covered this area and had no problems in that area after 500 hours.
I'm just glad I'm on to the mechanical part of this upgrade now.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra: 508 hours, Rotax 912 ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I put some pictures on the web site showing techniques I used to make
the calling today if any one is interested.
> uncle craig
Craig/Gang:
Enjoyed looking at your pics.
Noticed you had painted your engine mount "rails", or the aluminum angles.
I did the same thing first time I mounted the 912. After a short period of
time the four engine mount bolts throught the angle and into the engine
cases became slightly loose. Loose enough to start the tell tale signs of
some black streaks from aluminum rubbing on aluminum. I retightened several
times before I realized what was happening. Vibration was wearing away the
paint and primer, loosening the torqued engine bolts. Next set of angle I
installed I did not paint and eliminated the problem. Sitting here thinking
about it, "hind sight", I could have masked the small area of contact with
the engine case and painted the rest of the angle.
Another thing that caught my eye was the long run of aluminum oil tubing
from the bottom of the engine case and the oil pump to the forward end of
the engine, where it then attaches to flexible oil line to the tank. My
question is: Have you given any thought to the possibility of vibration and
stress cracking and failure of this hard mounted tubing? Personally, I
would keep all these lines flexible to prevent any chance of failure. I
admit the aluminum looks very professional and clean, but am concerned about
hard mounting anything to the engine, 2 or 4 stroke.
I like the cooling tower. With intake air passing through the radiator and
oil cooler prior to arriving to the carbs, should be no need for additional
carb heat to prent carb ice.
Did I ever tell you guys about sleeping on the tarmac at Gila Bend, AZ,
airport last May. Woke up about 0600 to find a drunk in a pickup truck
parked right next to me on the parking pad. He had the drivers door open
and his feet sticking out. With all the room on that newly paved parking
pad, I would have thought maybe he would have parked way over on the other
side, rather than right up next to me. Anyhow, he was very quiet coming in
because I did not know he was there until I rolled over in my sleeping bag
to see him there.
As I was getting out of my bag the drunk woke up and it turned out to be
Uncle Craig, not a drunk at all. He had driven 110 miles from Phoenix to
Gila Bend to see Miss P'fer, was afraid he would have missed her had he
waited until later to drive down. We had a great visit before I had to
depart for Sierra Vista to try and locate one of our past members of the
Kolb List.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
At my advanced age maybe I'm getting dumber(?) but what is a "calling"?
My late father often said someone had a calling for some endeavor. And
then there usta be the Phillip Morris thing--Call fer Phillip Morrr-ace.
linguistically insecure,
Bob N.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> At my advanced age maybe I'm getting dumber(?) but what is a "calling"?
> My late father often said someone had a calling for some endeavor. And
> then there usta be the Phillip Morris thing--Call fer Phillip Morrr-ace.
>
> linguistically insecure,
>
> Bob N.
Bob N/All:
Well, Hell, Grey Baron. I thought you would understand, with your advance
learning curve, age, and all. :-)
The truth be known, my finger took a wild turn to the left, hit the send
button before I could stop it, and the result was "calling".
20,000 xin loi's GI.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: solo and capacitor question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
George,
Thanks for the electrical lesson. You can learn a lot from this list. I
figure after about 20 years of this stuff, I'll have the equivalent
education of a degree in EE and AE.
If you really missed your FS, you would be heading north to rescue it from
the cold winter. What's the hold up?
James Tripp
FS II, Most of the painting done.
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----- Original Message -----
From: <GeoR38@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: solo and capacitor question
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/10/04 9:56:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jtripp@elmore.rr.com writes:
>
> > Mike,
> > I've got the capacitor that came with my EIS right here in my hand. It
is
> > blue and about 1" long with a wire out the top and one out the bottom.
It
> > comes from BC and the label on it says 2200 yf .16V. Actually, it's not
> > really a y but a backward y like you're looking at it in a mirror. Hope
that
> > helps.
> >
> > James Tripp
> > FS II
> > that is the greek letter mu meaning micro or in this case times 10 to
the
> minus 6 or millionths. so the capacitor value is 2thousand 2 hundred micro
> farads. Another way to look at it is.... .0022 farads. 1,000,000 micro
farads
> equals one farad. One farad is a helluva big capacitor (for the rednecks
in the
> group). But your capacitor is only 2 thousandths that size.....kinda like
the
> mach business. A jet goes mach one which is the speed of sound at 760
mph.
> Kolbers go 50/760 or .066 mach.
> All this plus a little money will purchase a cup of java.
>
> just trying to be helpful and put into proper perspective.
>
> George Randolph...the Villages
> obviously I miss my Firestar which is stuck in Ohio, now
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> > At my advanced age maybe I'm getting dumber(?) but what is a "calling"?
> > My late father often said someone had a calling for some endeavor.
An avocation that brings a deep, profound sense of purpose into ones life.
Fire in the belly.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: calling
-->John hauck wrote
Another thing that caught my eye was the long run of aluminum oil tubing
from the bottom of the engine case and the oil pump to the forward end of
the engine, where it then attaches to flexible oil line to the tank. My
question is: Have you given any thought to the possibility of vibration and
Take care,
john h
Yes. if you look in the pictures you will see the adel clamps that hold the lines
to the engine.
uncle craig
MKIIIex 912uls warp
arizona www.milows.com
ps all soelling courtiessy of weibestier including couwelleing
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Thanks, Uncle Craig---calling = cowling! How about Cowling fer Phill-UP More-ACE.
Bob N.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
OK guys, ONKLE CRAIG had me going for awhile two. Half too admit tho
he is fonetikly keerect. Some translatin': calling=cowling.....sill=seal
Yer a great craftsman craig, keep up the good work, hope to see your
bird fly over my head some day. -BB, MkIII N3851E in storage
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:ENGINE MOUNT RAILS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: calling
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" jhauck@elmore.rr.com
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Craig/Gang:
Enjoyed looking at your pics.
Noticed you had painted your engine mount "rails", or the aluminum angles.
I did the same thing first time I mounted the 912. After a short period of
Take care,
john h
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JOHN / KOLBERS
I wonder if it was the paint only. I remember you talking about a thicker aluminum
angle or something heavier angle when you installed the 912uls. I noticed
that when I drilled the holed through the bottom of the rails the bolt heads were
in the radius of the angle. To put regular flat washers even the small diameter
ones the washer and bolt head were in the radius. I thought maybe the rails
could be put in the mill and the radius machined out just in the bolt area,
but that would leave a 90 degree sharp angle in the side where all the vibration
of the engine might cause the propagation of a crack . so I formed a thick
washer that has the sane contour as the angle rail and now the bolt head and
washer are tight against the base of the angle aluminum. your thoughts john?
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uncle craig
MKIIIex 912uls warp
Ariaona WWW.milows.com
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:ENGINE MOUNT RAILS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I wonder if it was the paint only.
I remember you talking about a thicker aluminum angle or something heavier
angle when you installed the 912uls. so I formed a thick washer that has
the sane contour as the angle rail and now the bolt head and washer are
tight against the base of the angle aluminum. your thoughts john?
> uncle craig
Craig/Folks:
The problem with paint and primer errosion between engine case bolts and
vertical arm of aluminum angle occurred early on on a set of 1/4" thick
angle. I feel the problem of loosing torque on these four bolts was paint
and primer wearing away.
My new 3/8" thick angle was fabricated for me by John Russell, former Sling
Shot builder and flyer, at Rome Plow in Rome, Ga. The inside filet was
relieved by a vertical milling machine to allow the washer to sit flat on
the bottom arm of the angle. I believe the mill they used radius'd 90 deg
angle to prevent stress cracking. After 620 hours it is performing
flawlessly. Have not retorqued the four case bolts since initial
installation.
Your thick washers should work well.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Yes. if you look in the pictures you will see the adel clamps that hold
the lines to the engine.
> uncle craig
> MKIIIex 912uls warp
Craig/All:
Yes, looked at pics, did see adel clamps, and still question how long those
lines will last before failure.
They may last forever in that configuration, but I choose to use flex hose
from sump and pump to tank. I know that system works. :-)
john h
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:ENGINE MOUNT RAILS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Hi Craig,
I had the same problem of the washer and bolt head touching the radius of
the AL angle. I rounded off a standard washer and put another one on top of
it.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
I may be preaching to the choir here, but anyway......When torquing make
sure
nothing compressable is sandwiched in there, including paint.
On my first VW aircooled rebuild I figured, why not stick a little dab
of permatex blue silicone betwen the barrels and block? -Well I lost count
of how many times I retorqued that thing that evening and did it a
couple more times
the next day. Thought sure those long bolts were stretching astronomically.
That old 1600cc is a forgiving mill though and I put 35,000 miles on it
before parking it in the shed, awaiting for a new driver. -BB do not archive
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