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1. 03:51 AM - Re: 503 two seater (Kirk Smith)
2. 03:57 AM - Re: 503 two seater (Denny Rowe)
3. 03:57 AM - Rick Trader (Kirk Smith)
4. 06:00 AM - photoshare (Bob Bean)
5. 06:17 AM - Re: [ Jim Gerken ] : (John Hauck)
6. 06:22 AM - Re: [ Dennis A Rowe ] Tailwheel (John Hauck)
7. 06:28 AM - Re: photoshare (John Hauck)
8. 06:36 AM - Re: [ Jim Gerken ] : New Email List Photo Share (Richard Pike)
9. 07:20 AM - Re: [ Jim Gerken ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (G. T. Alexander, Jr.)
10. 09:08 AM - MkII 1200 lb gross Rick Trader (Judy or Larry Gitt)
11. 09:14 AM - Re: Hauck's Kolb History (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
12. 09:42 AM - Re: [ Jim Gerken ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Larry Bourne)
13. 12:06 PM - You All Are Welcome (John Hauck)
14. 02:09 PM - Fuel Cap Engraving, Labeling, Indentifying (Wayne Cahoon @ Aircraft Engravers)
15. 02:28 PM - Re: Old Kolb tape (Richard Pike)
16. 02:32 PM - Re: [ Jim Gerken ] : New Email List Photo Share (Richard Pike)
17. 02:37 PM - Re: You All Are Welcome (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
18. 02:43 PM - Re: [ Dennis A Rowe ] Tailwheel (Denny Rowe)
19. 03:18 PM - Re: photoshare (Denny Rowe)
20. 03:45 PM - NE Kolb Homecoming (John Hauck)
21. 03:53 PM - Re: Old Kolb tape (bryan green)
22. 04:22 PM - Re: You All Are Welcome (Larry Bourne)
23. 04:25 PM - FireStar II questions (Don Gherardini)
24. 04:53 PM - Re: NE Kolb Homecoming (Linda Rowe)
25. 05:01 PM - Re: FireStar II questions (James and Cathy Tripp)
26. 05:06 PM - Done? (The Kuffels)
27. 05:36 PM - Re: FireStar II questions (Linda Rowe)
28. 05:45 PM - Re: Done? (Larry Bourne)
29. 05:52 PM - Thanks for the pics! (Terry)
30. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 01/20/04 (GeoR38@aol.com)
31. 06:38 PM - Hauck's Kolb History Continued (John Hauck)
32. 06:50 PM - Re: Thanks for the pics! (John Hauck)
33. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 01/20/04 (Denny Rowe)
34. 07:32 PM - Re: Rick Trader (Dennis Souder)
35. 07:35 PM - Re: Done? (Duncan McBride)
36. 07:49 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 01/20/04 (GeoR38@aol.com)
37. 10:39 PM - Re: Done? (Edward Chmielewski)
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| Subject: | Re: 503 two seater |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Most likely was Rick Trader. He was carrying near 1000 lbs. if my memory
serves me right. The gross rating on his plane was only 750 lbs. Kitplane
magazine archives should say. Reading of his adventure was what made me
decide on the Kolb.
<This sounds a little heavy for a Mk II. What's the story on this guy.
Does anybody know? Had to some time back . Was that you John H ? Larry G>
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| Subject: | Re: 503 two seater |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Guys,
It was Rick Trader, he did the trip around the time the Mk-3 was being
introduced in 1989 or 90, he wanted to use the Mk-3 but it was not ready in
time for his trip so he modified the poop out of his Mk-2. He used a 582
for the trip and also had a high quality movie camera under the belly to
record the whole trip.
Said he had zero airplane problems the entire trip.
The trip was a circumnavigation of the lower 48 with a leg up to Alaska, I
don't think he went all the way to the arctic circle but I may be wrong.
Rick was from New Jersey I beleive and used to host a show for EAA TV.
The old Kolb factory video I have features Rick and tells a little about his
trip.
Sincerely,
Dennis Rowe, Mk-3 PA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 503 two seater
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> I remember years ago an article in - I think it was the EAA magazine -
> about some guy who built an over gross Kolb to fly to the Arctic Circle,
> and 1200 pounds sounds about right, but that's all I remember.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
>
>
> At 07:45 PM 1/22/04 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Judy or Larry Gitt"
<gittj@earthlink.net>
> >
> >I was in Omaha to a car show and got to talking to an old timer like
me
> >, And of course Airplanes came into the conversation . He wanted to
know
> >what kind of plane I was flying and I told him a Kolb Kolbra . He didn't
> >know anything about the kolbra but knew of Kolb and then he was
telling
> >me a story of a guy that went to Alaska with a 503 in a two seater and
> >then from there all the way to the Kolb company back east and he was
> >telling me , it grossed out with the fuel tank at 1200 lbs . He was
> >really impressed with that plane . But never built one . This sounds a
> >little heavy for a Mk II. What's the story on this guy. Does anybody
> >know? Had to some time back . Was that you John H ? Larry G
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Heres a link to articles on Rick Trader's trip to the artic circle. http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/selecting/kits/Kolb%20Twinstar.html
Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Denny, nice klean kolb. Those of us in the NE should think about a regional
MV-like excursion eventually since the far west is a mite more than most
want to go. There don't seem to be many listers from the new england
states.
There is a good ultralight fly-in near Bob Griffin in the Schenectady
area every
summer, otherwise western Pennsylvania does have the prettiest scenery.
Any ideas? -BB do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: [ Jim Gerken ] : |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Jim G/All:
I like the BMW set up.
How can you get more horses out of it?
What is the engine rated for now? HP/Torque/Red Line?
Are the silencers straight through? I bet the BMW would not be that noisy
with straight pipes cut the proper length. John Williamson's Jabiru was
running straight exhaust without being overly annoying. I liked the way it
sounded.
Realistically, the 582 burns 5 to 5.5 gph at 5800 to 6000 rpm. Just
guessing, but the BMW will probably burn about 3 gph putting out equivalent
power. I know nothing about BMW engines, other than their great reputation
for reliability. I bet one could squeeze a lot more than 66 hp out of one
and still keep it on the realiable side of the equation.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: [ Dennis A Rowe ] Tailwheel |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Denny/All:
Another way to get the nose up and tail down a little, is cut the tail wheel
strut so about 6 inches of strut is exposed between the tail post and the
tail wheel sockets. Homer always designed the struts extra long, for some
reason. The extra long tail wheel strut is prone to get into the bottom of
the rudder if one experiences a hard landing on the tail wheel. It also
allows the tail wheel to move around a lot in all directions.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> There is a good ultralight fly-in near Bob Griffin in the Schenectady
> area every
> summer, otherwise western Pennsylvania does have the prettiest scenery.
> Any ideas? -BB do not archive
Bob B/All:
How about the Flight Farm, Monterey, NY?
Contact Bill and Barbara Locke in Horse Heads. They probably still own the
farm. When I went by there last October, the airstrips and taxiways were
fresh cut. All the hangars were secured and no airplanes or activity in the
area. The old farm house was occupied. I didn't see anyone around. Spent
a few minutes enjoying some old memories of the place, then moved on.
I think anyone could get a draw of a few Kolbs, should they decide to have a
flyin, giving some of us enough time to pack our bag and gas up the Kolbs.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: [ Jim Gerken ] : New Email List Photo Share |
Available!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net> Available!
When I go to the index and click on the thumbnails on Jim's BMW, I get a
blank page loaded. Even trying two different browsers, still no luck. Is it
just my puter, or did Matronics accidently lose those files and somebody
else is also noticing this?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 09:52 PM 1/22/04 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares
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>A new Email List Photo Share is available:
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> Poster: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
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> Subject: Kolb Twinstar MkIII
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>http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/gerken@us.ibm.com.01.22.2004/index.html
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>
> o Main Photo Share Index
>
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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> o Submitting a Photo Share
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> If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
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| Subject: | [ Jim Gerken ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
Bro Pike et al,
They're working OK from here. It may be because they are fairly large pics
(2048 X 1536 pixels) and your system is having trouble digesting them.
George Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Available!
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Jim Gerken ] : New Email List Photo Share
Available!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Available!
When I go to the index and click on the thumbnails on Jim's BMW, I get a
blank page loaded. Even trying two different browsers, still no luck. Is it
just my puter, or did Matronics accidently lose those files and somebody
else is also noticing this?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | MkII 1200 lb gross Rick Trader |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Judy or Larry Gitt" <gittj@earthlink.net>
How much fuel did this MKII have on board ?, You think the landing gear would
be in trouble ;;;;;;;; Plus , Just what is the gross on a MkII ?. Any how
,it amazing what some of these guys do .I guess it shows you how strong kolb's
are build .
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| Subject: | Re: Hauck's Kolb History |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
John -
Thanks for sharing your early barnstorming stories & bare-bones
cross-country adventures.
These are the kinds of tales that newbie Kolb fliers (like me) need to hear
to get us out and start having fun with our airplanes!
I'm still barely only halfway through my 40-hour Phase-1 flight testing.
Though I'm already quite comfortable with the flight and landing
characteristics of my Mark-III (thanks to all who offered landing tips by
the way - I haven't bent a gear leg since my first botched landing!), I have
not yet flown to another airport and actually shut down my engine.
Being that this is my first homebuilt aircraft, I have not yet managed to
sever those psychological apron strings that keep me tied to the comfort &
security of being within 25 miles of my home airport. That is why I'll be
trailering my plane to Monument Valley in May, rather than flying it there.
(Thanks for not smirking at me for that, John!)
Keep the stories coming ...
Dennis Kirby
N93DK, Verner-1400, Powerfin72 in
Cedar Crest, NM
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| Subject: | Re: [ Jim Gerken ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Nope, they're there, Richard. Just went back and took a 2nd look.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike Available!" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Jim Gerken ] : New Email List Photo Share
Available!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Available!
>
> When I go to the index and click on the thumbnails on Jim's BMW, I get a
> blank page loaded. Even trying two different browsers, still no luck. Is
it
> just my puter, or did Matronics accidently lose those files and somebody
> else is also noticing this?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | You All Are Welcome |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Gang:
To everyone (on the Kolb List, as well as back copy) who told me "thankyou"
for the short trips in Hauck's Kolb History, you all are very welcome. I
will try to do more as time permits and procrastination remains at a low
level. I enjoy going back in time, especially when I haven't been there "in
my mind" in a while. Good memories are priceless, as are some of those bad
ones, if we learn by our mistakes.
Take care,
john h
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| From: | "Wayne Cahoon @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net> |
<xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>, <warbird-list@matronics.com>,
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| Subject: | Fuel Cap Engraving, Labeling, Indentifying |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne Cahoon @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net>
Have your Fuel Caps engraved, it's permanent and easy to read. Aircraft Engravers
has been engraving fuel caps for over 14 years.
You can see our web page at http://engravers.net/aircraft/fuel_caps.htm
Other types of engraving jobs can be viewed at http://engravers.net/main/ac_products.htm
There are a few sets of loaner fuel caps for the more common styles if your tanks
are wet.
FREE shipping by USPS Priority mail for all fuel cap engraving orders in the month
of February.
Wayne Cahoon
Aircraft Engravers
(860) 653-2780
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| Subject: | Re: Old Kolb tape |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Got the tape today, actually, just a bit ago. Haven't seen it yet, me & the
Good Lookin' Old Poop are about to leave & go square dancing, but will look
at it later tonight!
Thanks
Richard Pike
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| Subject: | [ Jim Gerken ] : New Email List Photo Share |
Available!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net> Available!
Ah yes, when all fails, check the obvious. Reboot the puter and let Windows
heal itself...
Works every time!
Thanks guys
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 10:19 AM 1/23/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
>
>Bro Pike et al,
>They're working OK from here. It may be because they are fairly large pics
>(2048 X 1536 pixels) and your system is having trouble digesting them.
>George Alexander
>http://gtalexander.home.att.net
>
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike
>Available!
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Jim Gerken ] : New Email List Photo Share
>Available!
>
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>Available!
>
>When I go to the index and click on the thumbnails on Jim's BMW, I get a
>blank page loaded. Even trying two different browsers, still no luck. Is it
>just my puter, or did Matronics accidently lose those files and somebody
>else is also noticing this?
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
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| Subject: | You All Are Welcome |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
John
I very much enjoyed the pics as well! Golly, I sure like this list!
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck
Subject: Kolb-List: You All Are Welcome
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Gang:
To everyone (on the Kolb List, as well as back copy) who told me "thankyou"
for the short trips in Hauck's Kolb History, you all are very welcome. I
will try to do more as time permits and procrastination remains at a low
level. I enjoy going back in time, especially when I haven't been there "in
my mind" in a while. Good memories are priceless, as are some of those bad
ones, if we learn by our mistakes.
Take care,
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: [ Dennis A Rowe ] Tailwheel |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Thanks for the advice John, I think I'll give that a try this summer.
Denny
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> Denny/All:
>
> Another way to get the nose up and tail down a little, is cut the tail
wheel
> strut so about 6 inches of strut is exposed between the tail post and the
> tail wheel sockets. Homer always designed the struts extra long, for some
> reason. The extra long tail wheel strut is prone to get into the bottom
of
> the rudder if one experiences a hard landing on the tail wheel. It also
> allows the tail wheel to move around a lot in all directions.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> Denny, nice klean kolb. Those of us in the NE should think about a
regional
> MV-like excursion eventually since the far west is a mite more than most
> want to go. There don't seem to be many listers from the new england
> states.
> There is a good ultralight fly-in near Bob Griffin in the Schenectady
> area every
> summer, otherwise western Pennsylvania does have the prettiest scenery.
> Any ideas? -BB do not archive
>
>
> Bob,
Thanks!.
A North East Kolb excursion sounds Great!. We should start thinking about
areas to consider, southern New York, Central PA (lots of Kolbs there),
Dayton Ohio (where this all started), a mass flight to Homers farm (only
with his blessing), a tour of south western PA(my backyard) possibly
circumnavigating Pittsburgh Class B with stops at places of interest such as
Carlson Aircraft company, and as John H suggested maybe the Flight Farm or
Bob Griffins UL fly in, last but not least the Fathers day UL fly in at
Wellsville PA.
The mind reels with the possibilities!
As long as I can fit it around my 21 turn work schedule and family
obligations I am in, if the good Lord's willing and the creek don't rise.
Denny
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| Subject: | NE Kolb Homecoming |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Dayton Ohio (where this all started), a mass flight to Homers farm (only
> with his blessing), > Denny
Denny/Ya'll/All:
Homer Kolb would freak out, in a good way of course, if a bunch of Kolbs
made a mass flight into his airstrip. I'll go along with that. In fact,
that would be a good place to have a flyin, with Homer's permission of
course. Nothing fancy, a lot like MV. No plans, no organization, no work,
just good times. There are several good places to eat near to Homer's, but
not within walking distance. I bet you all could pull it off if you wanted
to.
john h
PS: I took the liberty to change the subject line.
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| Subject: | Re: Old Kolb tape |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
list I got the old tape and it is great enjoyed it very much. Do not
archive.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Old Kolb tape
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> Got the tape today, actually, just a bit ago. Haven't seen it yet, me &
the
> Good Lookin' Old Poop are about to leave & go square dancing, but will
look
> at it later tonight!
> Thanks
> Richard Pike
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: You All Are Welcome |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
We all enjoyed your pics, too, Tim. All those posted last night, in fact.
You guys are really doing some nice work............makes me feel a little
guilty..........think I might hide ol' battered Vamoose under a rock at MV.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gherkins Tim-rp3420" <rp3420@motorola.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: You All Are Welcome
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
>
> John
>
> I very much enjoyed the pics as well! Golly, I sure like this list!
>
> Tim
>
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| Subject: | FireStar II questions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Greetings men....I have a couple of questions that have been working on my
feeble mind. Need some expierienced answers.
How fast will a FireStar II,,..loaded pretty well towards gross...fly with a
503?.....
How fast is the economical cruise? (for best range)
What is the fuel consumption rate? (at econ cruise)
Does a 582 equipped FSII get any better range with the same fuel
capacity...say 10 gallons?
Does anybody on this list have or had a 690L powered FSII?...and same
questions for it...
Need some real world numbers here.....Thx in advance.
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: NE Kolb Homecoming |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Linda Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> > Dayton Ohio (where this all started), a mass flight to Homers farm
(only
> > with his blessing), > Denny
>
> Denny/Ya'll/All:
>
> Homer Kolb would freak out, in a good way of course, if a bunch of Kolbs
> made a mass flight into his airstrip. I'll go along with that. In fact,
> that would be a good place to have a flyin, with Homer's permission of
> course. Nothing fancy, a lot like MV. No plans, no organization, no
work,
> just good times. There are several good places to eat near to Homer's,
but
> not within walking distance. I bet you all could pull it off if you
wanted
> to.
>
> john h
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
North Eastern Kolbers others,
I am off work the week of the 4th of July and as of now have no real plans
for the week.
Anyone interested in a Homer invasion that week?
Maybe we could meet at some airport in the general vacinity and decend on
the poor bugger in mass.
We'll also need to get in touch with Dennis S and see if Homers going to be
home.
Maybe keep Homer out of the loop and surprise him.
What doya think?
Denny Rowe
Mk-3, Leechburg, PA
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| Subject: | Re: FireStar II questions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
Don,
Can't answer most of your questions because I'm still building my FSII but I
would think a 582 on a FS is a bit too much engine (weight and HP). Just my
opinion though.
James Tripp
FSII, Wings and Tail surfaces painted.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: FireStar II questions
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Greetings men....I have a couple of questions that have been working on my
> feeble mind. Need some expierienced answers.
>
> How fast will a FireStar II,,..loaded pretty well towards gross...fly with
a
> 503?.....
>
> How fast is the economical cruise? (for best range)
>
> What is the fuel consumption rate? (at econ cruise)
>
> Does a 582 equipped FSII get any better range with the same fuel
> capacity...say 10 gallons?
>
> Does anybody on this list have or had a 690L powered FSII?...and same
> questions for it...
>
> Need some real world numbers here.....Thx in advance.
>
>
> Don Gherardini
> FireFly 098
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Do not archive.
Lar,
<<think I might hide ol' battered Vamoose under a rock at MV.>>
What! Vamoose will be done by the time of the Monument Valley trip?
Surely you have some more "improvements" to make before then?
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: FireStar II questions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Linda Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Greetings men....I have a couple of questions that have been working on my
> feeble mind. Need some expierienced answers.
>
> How fast will a FireStar II,,..loaded pretty well towards gross...fly with
a
> 503?.....
>
> How fast is the economical cruise? (for best range)
>
> What is the fuel consumption rate? (at econ cruise)
>
> Does a 582 equipped FSII get any better range with the same fuel
> capacity...say 10 gallons?
>
> Does anybody on this list have or had a 690L powered FSII?...and same
> questions for it...
>
> Need some real world numbers here.....Thx in advance.
>
> Don Gherardini
> FireFly 098
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
Don,
I don't think the weight of a 582 or 690L would be a problem for a FS II,
but the power probably would.
Neither engine weigh very much more than a 503 with a C gearbox, but the
power increase of 20hp is a huge leap.
I know a lot of folks have installed 582s on Mk-2s which I am pretty sure
have the same wing as a FS II but Homer always warned against such
installations as frame cracking becomes a concern.
All that said, I know from flying 503, 582 and 690L powered ships that the
690L would definitly burn the least fuel of the bunch on a FS II size ship.
It really is surprisingly easy on fuel for a big 2 stroke with Bing carbs.
also the cruise power settings you would use with a 690 powered FS would be
extreamly low, no doubt that VNE could be exceeded in level flight with such
a set up. One would need to be very careful with throttle control.
503 powered Firestars seem to haul the mail nicely, I'll look foreward to
hearing performance numbers from 503 powered FS drivers.Will Uribe, how are
you feeling pal? :-)
Denny Rowe, 690L powerewd Mk-3, PA,
PS: 16 degrees out and we are heading to DQ drive through for ice cream.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yuk yuk...........?? In all serious-ness, tho', a while back someone,
either on or off List - can't remember - asked why I didn't just get the
fool thing flying and worry about "improvements" later. Good question, and
there are several answers: 1) Big Lar is a world-class procrastinator.
2) The Big One - I can do pretty much what-ever I like to it before I have
it inspected. From there on, any changes would involve more - probably much
more - paperwork, (which I'm not good at, at the best of times) and possibly
a new 25 or 40 hour fly-off requirement. 3) Many of these changes were
mandated by un-foreseen circumstances, such as buying a FireStar trailer,
then trying to make a Mk III fit in it. At about 1/3 to 1/4 the price of
bigger trailers I've seen, this seems like a worthy trade-off. Future
builders may just benefit from my experiences, (and mistakes) too. 4)
It seems to me that once something is "done," changes become something "I'll
get to, one day." I know for absolute certain that I'm not the only one
with THAT tendency. Big project for tomorrow is to get the
landing gear painted, so today I borrowed the air compressor, bead blaster
and media from work, preparing for this mighty effort. I'm also finding
that after so long coasting, it's kinda hard to get back in
gear................in fact, I hear that recliner calling me
now..................... Big Lar Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Kuffels" <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Done?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Lar,
>
> <<think I might hide ol' battered Vamoose under a rock at MV.>>
>
> What! Vamoose will be done by the time of the Monument Valley trip?
> Surely you have some more "improvements" to make before then?
>
> Tom
>
>
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| Subject: | Thanks for the pics! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
John H.,
Thanks for the trip down memory lane!!!! Being a relative newby to the
Kolb world, I find this all very interesting and I look at you early
pictures with envy. Wish I could have been involved much earlier. I
have had the pleasure of Homer's company and he is the best of
gentlemen!! You had the rare privilege of working closely with him and
got to know him in a way few have. Wish I had been there!
Glad to be part of the Kolb family now and look forward to more
encounters with the rest of you in the days ahead. I really enjoyed the
time spent with John H. & John W. at Oshkosh and again at New London, KY
and also with the others there, Paul, Richard, Bryan, Steve and many
more.
Wouldn't that be something to have a fly-in at Homer's farm!!!! Wow! I
have flown in there once to show him my FireFly, but would caution that
advanced approval would be correct and necessary. Wouldn't that be a
blast to stage a fly-in at the place where it all began for us
Kolber's!! I think it could be arranged with the proper contact and
handling. How about you John? Could you help make it happen?!!!!!
As a second choice for a Northeast Fly-in, I second Dennis R. idea of
Wellsville, Pa. which is the Footlight Ranch airstrip which has three UL
fly-in's each year. I know a many UL's make it to this each year. Many
Kolber's here in central Pa.
Anyway, again thanks for sharing the early years,
Terry - FireFly #95
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 1/22/04 6:19:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rowedl@highstream.net writes:
> Doug wrote:
>
> The Dactyl flew circles around us to keep from out running
> >the group.
>
> Doug,
> Great story, it brought back memeries of flying my Dactyl to a Pig roast in
> Saxonburg PA in 1981 or 82 along with a friend in a Kawasaki 440 powered
> Wizard .(GASP)
> The Wizard flew so slow that I also had to fly circles around him as the Dac
> wouldn't hold altitude at his slow speed.
> We had a great time that day, what a wonderful experience for myself being
> all of 15 or 16 years old at the time.
>
> Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA
>
Wow! that's young....but not really, the fella who broke me in had 2 kids 14
and 16 and they both flew his dac. Mine had a Cuyunna 30hp? engine with an
"illegal" tuned exhaust...chromed to boot...and was supposed to pull an extra 5
hp. No egt, or cht, makes me cringe now to think about it, but it sure was fun,
and I had had glider instruction anyway so ...who cared? Only froze up on me
twice, both on take offs, one at 75 ft with nose pointed up steep and the
other at 250 ft trying to catch a T-bird with a 583....did, but as soon as I was
along side him, my "See, I caught you" hand wave was punctuated by the loudest
silence I ever heard....and I started down.....that was totally fun too, after
it was all over and I bobbled over the treeline and landed in a farm patch.
Course, my lil Cuyunna was over taxed with that "illegal" resonator, and I
guess I made it pay. It did start right up after cooling down, though, so, I
took off again back up and over the treeline....and flew with weeds trailing
from my tires, home. I Didn't even know about egt in those days. I guess, I
didn't know a lot a stuff in those days....but then, I didn't have "the list"
either. The year was 1983-'85
George Randolph
Firestar Driver from the Villages
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Hauck's Kolb History Continued |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Everybody:
After a year of hard flying, a few bumps and hard landings; armed with many
new requirements and ideas; I loaded Cuz'n P'fer up and hauled him home.
Well not exactly. My method of transport was:
Take off the wings and transport them home on a rack on the utility trailer,
one at a time. Glad I only live a few minutes from my airstrip.
Next, I take off the tailwheel, back up the little Kubota tractor, hook the
tailwheel fitting into a towbar on the tractor, and haul it home backwards
on its own main gear.
I have transported all my airplanes back and forth from the airpstrip like
this. I have some pics somewhere of the transport set up. I'll show them
when I run across them.
After I got Cuz home, pulled the tailboom, stuck a short piece of 5" tubing
in its place, loaded the fuselage in the utility trailer and hauled it to
Brother Jim's shop in Woodville, FL.
I needed more fuel and needed to get the big bulky 8 gal (advertised as 9
gal) Ken Brock seat tank out of my small cockpit.
I needed more cargo space inside the fuselage so I would not have to sling
load my sleeping bag or anything else outside the aircraft.
I wanted to pull the instrument panel back towards me so I could see and
manipulate the switches, altimeter, G Meter, etc.
I needed to beef up my original 4130 gear legs and fabricate gearleg/axle
sockets to fit.
And, I wanted some brakes. All my fixed wing flying up to that time had
been without brakes. For that matter, I had never flown anything with
brakes before, except a CH54 Skycrane, and that was for 1.5 hours. All the
other helicopters had skids.
Jim added some tubes here and there to beef up the fuselage. He also had
some major repairs to do to fix damage caused by landing 10 feet above the
ground on Grand Island, NY, five minutes after flying over Niagra Falls, due
to a bad spark plug. Not a fouled plug, but an NKG BR8EV fine wire plug
that came apart. The electrode seperated, grounding out the plug. Rotax
447s fly one way on one cylinder, down.
We did not do anything to the wings or tail section.
After Cuz'n P'fer and I got home, his fuselage was stripped, bare bones,
sand blasted, epoxy primed and painted.
This picture shows the 18 gal, useable, fuel tank. The fuel tank was
tested several times for leaks. All observed leaks were repaired, usually
tiny pin holes from the TIG welder, invisible to the naked eye. I did not
feel the need to slosh this tank. Wish I had, but I don't know that they
had avgas/autofuel slosh back then. Not long after I started flying it
developed a very slight leak, or ooze. Not even a drip. However, where the
leak was located was in a position I could not get to easily. I tried a lot
of different remedies that were available in 1989, but never did get the
ooze to stop oozing.
The tank was installed without cutting any tubes. This system opened up the
bottom section for cargo.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Firestar%20Upgrade%201988-89/FS%20Upgrade%2088-89-1.jpg
This shot shows the 4130 steel windshield bow and attachments for the
instrument panel. Also shows the cargo door in the lower rear bulkhead. I
fabricated a hinged door to fit the unusual opening. I could now get all my
stuff inside.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Firestar%20Upgrade%201988-89/FS%20Upgrade%2088-89-2.jpg
We discovered upon removal of the fuselage fabric, from around the tail
tube, gasoline, oil, and dirt, were rapidly chaffing and wearing away at
the aluminum boom tube. Jim designed the fabric brace to keep the fabric
off the tailboom surface. Also notice the neat fabric braces down the
bottom center of the fuselage. These are also Jim's ideas that I fought for
a while, then gave in and let him weld them up. Glad I did now. They are
carried over, as many other little changes, to my MK III.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Firestar%20Upgrade%201988-89/FS%20Upgrade%2088-89-3.jpg
A different angle of the bottom of the fuselage.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Firestar%20Upgrade%201988-89/FS%20Ugrade%2088-89-4.jpg
Another fabric change made by Jim, that I also balked at initially, was the
curved fabric braces top and bottom in front of the rear bulkhead. They
really make the airplane, along with the bottom fabric braces look sleek and
classic. I now have my Hegar wheels and hydraulic brakes. Look much better
than the old wheel barrow wheels of days gone by. Five minutes taxiing and
flying with the new brakes and I was hooked. Would never go back to flying
wheeled aircraft without brakes.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Firestar%20Upgrade%201988-89/FS%20Upgrade%2088-89-5.jpg
A different angle of the fuselage. This is a good shot of the new 4130 gear
legs. They are the same length as the original steel legs, 35.5". This
length was based on the maximum space in Linberg Heat Treating's oven in
Orlando, Florida. They said they could handle stuff 36" long. I stayed a
tad conservative and went with 35.5" just to make sure I did not have a
problem with them. We increased the diamter from 1.0" to 1.125" and wall
thickness from .090 to .120. Rockwell numbers were increased from 42RC (I
got the numbers from the boss at MaxAir, same number MaxAir was using on
their steel legs) to 48RC. The gear legs worked out perfectly. We had come
up with some good numbers on our updated gear legs. Look closely, you can
see the piano hinge on the top of the cargo door, bottom of rear bulkhead.
I almost missed this one. The instrument panel and instruments are
installed in their new home.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Firestar%20Upgrade%201988-89/FS%20Upgrade%2088-89-6.jpg
We were now ready to take on Oshkosh 1989. Cuz'n P'fer flew me to Homer
Kolb's, near Philadelphia, then to Bert Howland's, south of Albany, NY, then
through all the New England States in one day (from 0730 to 2100), to the
Flight Farm, to Lake Ontario and south, down the Niagra River and over
Niagra Falls, into Canada and back across the Niagra River and Grand Island,
where I had crashed the year before, around Buffalo and down the south shore
of Lake Erie, up the Michigan Pennisula, across the Mackinac Straits to
Sault Saint Marie, Canada, across the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and down
south to the big flyin at Oshkosh. Got settled in and over the excitement
of flying into the world's greatest airshow, then began to clean up Cuz'n
P'fer so he could strut his stuff for the Oshkosh Judges. He did good! We
won Oshkosh Grand Champion Ultralight 1989. What a feeling. Ole Cuz'n
P'fer had won them both, Sun and Fun 1988 and Oshkosh 1989. I was a proud
Daddy of this little airplane. He had flown me 3,000 miles from Alabama to
Oshkosh, the long way, got a pretty good award at Oshkosh, then flew me
another 1,000 miles home. What an airplane.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/airplanes/OSH%201989.jpg
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/airplanes/OSH%201989%20Grand%20Champ%20UL.jpg
There's a lot to share with you about this little Kolb Firestar (Original),
as they are now called. He opened up the skies of the US and snuck into
Canada; from Miami, FL, to Texas, to Muskogee, OK, Sault Saint Marie,
Canada, Maine and Alabama. Pushed along by our mighty 40 hp two stroke,
point ignition, Rotax and Jim Culver 60" wooden prop. We never hesitated to
take off, point our nose the way we wanted to go, and fly. Sometimes it was
overwhelming to lay down on my airmattress at night and think of where I had
departed from that morning and where we were sleeping that night. We had a
good time together. And did it all without a GPS!
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Wouldn't that be something to have a fly-in at Homer's farm!!!! Wow! I
> have flown in there once to show him my FireFly, but would caution that
> advanced approval would be correct and necessary. Wouldn't that be a
> blast to stage a fly-in at the place where it all began for us
> Kolber's!! I think it could be arranged with the proper contact and
> handling. How about you John? Could you help make it happen?!!!!!
>
> As a second choice for a Northeast Fly-in, I second Dennis R. idea of
> Wellsville, Pa. which is the Footlight Ranch airstrip which has three UL
> fly-in's each year. I know a many UL's make it to this each year. Many
> Kolber's here in central Pa.
> Terry - FireFly #95
Hi Terry/All:
Can not do it this year. Will be too involved with MV and Alaska. By 4
July, if all goes well, our crew should be pushing the US border into
Alaska.
I had the privilege of flying into the Footlight Flyin, Summer 1993, in my
582 powered MK III. I also flew on west, a couple hundred miles, or it
seems, to another flyin, name of which I can not remember, then back to
Homer's, where I was painting the two existing Kolb Lasers.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> > Doug wrote:
> >
> > The Dactyl flew circles around us to keep from out running
> > >the group.
> >
> > Doug,
> > Great story, it brought back memeries of flying my Dactyl to a Pig roast
in
> > Saxonburg PA in 1981 or 82 along with a friend in a Kawasaki 440 powered
> > Wizard .(GASP)
> > The Wizard flew so slow that I also had to fly circles around him as the
Dac
> > wouldn't hold altitude at his slow speed.
> > We had a great time that day, what a wonderful experience for myself
being
> > all of 15 or 16 years old at the time.
> >
> > Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA
> >
>
> Wow! that's young....but not really, the fella who broke me in had 2 kids
14
> and 16 and they both flew his dac. Mine had a Cuyunna 30hp? engine with an
> "illegal" tuned exhaust...chromed to boot...and was supposed to pull an
extra 5
> hp. No egt, or cht, makes me cringe now to think about it, but it sure was
fun,
> and I had had glider instruction anyway so ...who cared? Only froze up on
me
> twice, both on take offs, one at 75 ft with nose pointed up steep and the
> other at 250 ft trying to catch a T-bird with a 583....did, but as soon as
I was
> along side him, my "See, I caught you" hand wave was punctuated by the
loudest
> silence I ever heard....and I started down.....that was totally fun too,
after
> it was all over and I bobbled over the treeline and landed in a farm
patch.
>
> Course, my lil Cuyunna was over taxed with that "illegal" resonator, and
I
> guess I made it pay. It did start right up after cooling down, though, so,
I
> took off again back up and over the treeline....and flew with weeds
trailing
> from my tires, home. I Didn't even know about egt in those days. I guess,
I
> didn't know a lot a stuff in those days....but then, I didn't have "the
list"
> either. The year was 1983-'85
>
> George Randolph
> Firestar Driver from the Villages
> Do not archive
>
George,
A friend of mine has an Ascender that used to have the dual carb and dual
exhaust Cuyuna set up that was claimed to be 48hp.
It had a real lean spot in the high mid range that would seize her up in a
hurry if you set the throttle just a little under full throttle.
He let me fly it once while I was dating my wife and I was so blown away by
the incredible climb rate that I backed out of full throttle just a smidge,
the dual EGTs barely had time to spike up and that sucker was a glider.
Luckily Dacs are great gliders and flying them is kind of like riding a
bicycle (you never forget), I got her back down from 600 ft with no further
damage.
After that he decided to go with the stock exhaust and carb and is still
flying with 2SI power with no more problems. A real nice simple UL.
Denny Rowe
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
From the archives ....
Kolbers,
I think Kirk expressed it very well.*
And Rick, as John pointed out, was not a builder ... nor a mechanic. But he
did have this dream to fly an Ultralight to Alaska and he did it despite the
fact that he did not have the large arsenal of skills that John has, for
instance. He purchased the open TwinStar and had Glen Rinck in Florida
build the plane, add the enclosure and pod underneath the fuselage. As far
as pioneering, I think he was the first with a Kolb to Alaska. I think John
would have been first, but he was delayed, for some reasons, as I recall.
Forgive me John if I am in error on this.
Rick did the trip with a 2-stroke engine, which added to the adventure. And
he did it in a less capable aircraft which was significantly overloaded!
Perhaps this would be his distinctive mark as a "pioneer": doing the trip at
gross weights which exceeded 1000 lb. at times in the TS which was only
rated at 725 lb. gross weight. And as Mike pointed out this gave him the
confidence, and the "big reasons why he chose Kolb......figuring that if
Kolbs could do that, they're TOUGH!!"
Many Kolb builders and flyers have also done pioneering work - contributions
both large and small, and as a result collectively have enriched the Kolb
line of aircraft above and beyond what it otherwise would have been.
With appreciation,
Dennis
*Certainly John. For me personally, he showed me what simple, humble,
average Joe of a guy, could do with a Kolb............Kirk
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <hawk36@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rick Trader message of Sun, 4 Aug 2002
>
>
> > He truly is one of the Kolb
> > pioneers. ................Kirk
>
> Snuffy/Gents:
>
> Just curious. Can you qualify the above for us?
>
> What did Trader pioneer? Understand he had someone build
> and modify his Kolb. Did he start out with a Mark II? To
> the best of my knowledge, he has never built an airplane.
> Mike Jacober rebuilt the 582 for him, donated by ROTAX, on
> his arrival in Birchwood, Alaska, as a precautionary
> measure.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
Once it's flying you'll discover a host of changes you wished you'd done,
and eventually you'll drag it home to tear apart and redo. Richard Pike's
site is a testament (no pun intended) to this time-honored practice. I put
a new instrument panel on mine before the 40 hours were flown off, it's been
rewired twice now, and sports a 17 gallon fiberglass tank that wasn't there
to begin with. It never ends. The very best thing is to get it flying,
then you'll really have an incentive to work fast when you need to. I
piddled on mine the last year before it was certified, working on this or
that. Now I get three times as much done in the time I work on it, out at
the field after flying in the morning. It goes right along when you are
itching to fly.
Another thing I discovered is that it's a lot of fun have an airplane at a
friendly airfield to fly and work on. You meet a lot of great people who
love to fly and work on their planes. I've made some new friends out at
Sundance Farms.
We've all been there, Lar. Don't bog down now. Do it right, but do it
right now, and you won't regret it a minute. It will be so sweeeeet,
climbing out in that little plane for the very first time. You'll be amazed
how fine that lexan looks at about 500 feet. Go for it, buddy. We're
rootin' for ya.
Duncan
319DM
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Done?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Yuk yuk...........?? In all serious-ness, tho', a while back someone,
> either on or off List - can't remember - asked why I didn't just get the
> fool thing flying and worry about "improvements" later. Good question,
and
> there are several answers:
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 1/23/04 10:02:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rowedl@highstream.net writes:
> He let me fly it once while I was dating my wife and I was so blown away by
> the incredible climb rate that I backed out of full throttle just a smidge,
> the dual EGTs barely had time to spike up and that sucker was a glider.
> Luckily Dacs are great gliders and flying them is kind of like riding a
> bicycle (you never forget), I got her back down from 600 ft with no further
> damage.
> After that he decided to go with the stock exhaust and carb and is still
> flying with 2SI power with no more problems. A real nice simple UL.
> Denny Rowe
> do not archive
>
I loved my dac, and would drive it again if I had the chance....yes, I hear
ya on the full throttle notice, that is what I was supposed to do also, take
off at full throttle (because it was a richer mixture, I guess) , and never
leave it at 3/4 throttle for long, so, I would always fly it at 1/2 throttle, or
full.... and life was good.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Hey Lar,
Whew! For a minute there I thought you were gonna say it was too hot to
work!
You're so close, man, I know you can make it to MV easy.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
(It's too cold out! Wind chill -11F.)
Do not archive.
(Snip)
I'm also finding
> that after so long coasting, it's kinda hard to get back in
> gear................in fact, I hear that recliner calling me
> now..................... Big Lar
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