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1. 04:41 AM - Re: Re: NE gathering comes together!! (Airgriff2@aol.com)
2. 04:43 AM - Re: fuel burn (Ted Cowan)
3. 05:10 AM - Re: Re: NE gathering (Airgriff2@aol.com)
4. 06:57 AM - Re: video (Kelvin Kurkowski)
5. 07:21 AM - Re: Re: fuel burn (Joe Allman)
6. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: fuel burn (Dale Sellers)
7. 08:23 AM - Re: video (Larry Bourne)
8. 09:13 AM - Re: Super Kolbra Update (William George)
9. 09:32 AM - e-mail (Paul Petty)
10. 10:36 AM - Re: e-mail (Paul P) (Bob N.)
11. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: NE gathering comes together!! (Eugene Zimmerman)
12. 12:32 PM - Re: Super Kolbra Update (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
13. 01:27 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Steven Green)
14. 02:59 PM - Re: Re: Super Kolbra Update (John Williamson)
15. 03:01 PM - Re: e-mail (Paul P) (Paul Petty)
16. 03:39 PM - Re: e-mail (Paul P) (Bob N.)
17. 03:51 PM - Kolbra (Paul Petty)
18. 06:31 PM - Re: e-mail (Larry Bourne)
19. 09:29 PM - show off (boyd young)
20. 09:29 PM - incidence in wing (boyd young)
21. 09:49 PM - Fly to Homer's (Richard Pike)
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| Subject: | Re: NE gathering comes together!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
>
> >>
>> > Bob,
>> The Wellsville Fathers Day fly in is in June and my work schedule
>> will allow
>> me to get there Saturday and Sunday.
>> How do you all feel about just trying to get everyone we can to that
>> one,
>> and if the weather destroys those plans they have a last chance fly
>> in later
>> in the year.
>> How bout it,
>> Dennis Rowe
>>
> OK gang
From the feed back on todays list there does't seem much interest to fly into
Cooperstown. Thanks for the photo, John H., yes that if the field I'm
talking about. Since you were there the new owner sunk $750,000.00 into it and
loves
to see UL's come in. Maybe another time we can schedual a fly-in there. Most
of the interest seems to be leading for flying into Wellsville PA.from fellas
like Denny, Gene, Richard, Earl, Russel. Lets get one person to coordiate and
head it up. Any volunteers ? Who is the most familiar with the event ? We
need the exact dates, identifier, facilities availiable, such as showers,
camping, food, fuel etc.
Someone even mentioned a flight from wellsville to Homers ? How far a trip
is that ?
Anyway, someone take the raines here and let's plan a Northeast Gathering of
Kolbs at the Wellsville PA Fly-in.
Fly Safe
Bob Griffin
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted Cowan <tcowan1917@direcway.com>
Howdy folks. Like to make some comments on fuel burn. As some might
recall, built myself a great little slingshot, 582 blue head. Started out
around five gals an hour burn at around 75-80 asi. I realigned the engine
seveal times until I had 3/4 inch higher on the back mounts than the front
and now I am getting as high as 20 minute per gal at around 72 to 15/17
minute per gal burn at 80. It goes to about 14 minute per gal burn up to 90
+. Now, mind you that it is cold outside and that is solo and this plane is
clean up there. My egts run in around 1050 and my chts are consistently at
265. My water temps seem to stay at 164 (with one width of duct tape across
the rad) (two strips increase temps 5 degrees). I have heard that I am
running too lean to get that kind of gas mileage but my plugs are light tan
(redish) on the tips and I am running BR8eVs. (Love those platnums) Easy
start, better performance and last longer. That is what I am getting so
far. I have 30 hours on the "Greezd Lightn'n" so far and loving every
minute of it. I modified the rear castor wheel to break when almost
sideways. Gives me better control if it doesnt break so easy. (someone on
the list suggested this). And -- by the way, must have done something right
cause I can let go of the stick at any speed - up to 90 so far - and it will
cruise straight, no dips, slips or slides to the side. Did I mention I love
this plane? See ya. Ted Cowan, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: NE gathering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
>
> >>
>> The Wellsville Fathers Day fly in will have at least a half a dozen
>> or
>> more local Kolb drivers if the weather is flyable. Some of us would
>> be
>> happy to join a Homer farm ambush. Lots of other local grass strips
>> in
>> the area too.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>
Gene and gang, Checking on Airnav,, the flight from Wellsville to Homers is
roughly 67 NM. Around 1hr. 15 min. one way , for Kolbs cruising around 65 MPH.
Sounds like that could work out. Depending on some planes fuel capicity, wind
conditions, and reserve, arrangements may need to be made for fuel at Homers.
Fly Safe
Bob Griffin
Upstate NY
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kelvin Kurkowski" <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
Paul, I assume you are asking about the tape I made for several of the
guys. I have one here for you, and have emailed you off list a couple of
times asking for your address, but there must be a glitch in the way I
copied your address to the new email or, in your address that appears on the
Kolb list emails. ???? Don't know why you are not getting my emails "off
list" Kelvin Kurkowski Rt 1 Box 103 76795 Rd 332 Grant, NE 69140
Tnx guys ( I ran out of blank tapes so I think I've still got 2 or 3 to
send)
definitely DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: video
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
> Kolbers,
> I wanted to buy a copy of the old Kolb tape. I wrote it down and have lost
the name and adress. Can someone help me out? Mail to lynnp@c-gate.net
>
>
> pp
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <fisherallman@earthlink.net>
Ted,
I can count on five/hour at 5800 and 85 indicated. I'm set up for climb
with a 582 ss ivo.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ted Cowan
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fuel burn
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted Cowan <tcowan1917@direcway.com>
Howdy folks. Like to make some comments on fuel burn. As some might
recall, built myself a great little slingshot, 582 blue head. Started out
around five gals an hour burn at around 75-80 asi. I realigned the
engine....
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Ted,
Where in ALA. you live? I'm just across the border at Columbus, GA.
Dale Sellers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Cowan" <tcowan1917@direcway.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fuel burn
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted Cowan <tcowan1917@direcway.com>
>
> Howdy folks. Like to make some comments on fuel burn. As some might
> recall, built myself a great little slingshot, 582 blue head. Started out
> around five gals an hour burn at around 75-80 asi. I realigned the engine
> seveal times until I had 3/4 inch higher on the back mounts than the front
> and now I am getting as high as 20 minute per gal at around 72 to 15/17
> minute per gal burn at 80. It goes to about 14 minute per gal burn up to
90
> +. Now, mind you that it is cold outside and that is solo and this plane
is
> clean up there. My egts run in around 1050 and my chts are consistently
at
> 265. My water temps seem to stay at 164 (with one width of duct tape
across
> the rad) (two strips increase temps 5 degrees). I have heard that I am
> running too lean to get that kind of gas mileage but my plugs are light
tan
> (redish) on the tips and I am running BR8eVs. (Love those platnums) Easy
> start, better performance and last longer. That is what I am getting so
> far. I have 30 hours on the "Greezd Lightn'n" so far and loving every
> minute of it. I modified the rear castor wheel to break when almost
> sideways. Gives me better control if it doesnt break so easy. (someone
on
> the list suggested this). And -- by the way, must have done something
right
> cause I can let go of the stick at any speed - up to 90 so far - and it
will
> cruise straight, no dips, slips or slides to the side. Did I mention I
love
> this plane? See ya. Ted Cowan, Alabama
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I'm glad to hear you say that, Kelvin. I've emailed Paul off-List a couple
of times and got ignored. Figured, "Phooey, he must have his nose in the
air over something," and went my way. How 'bout it, Paul ??
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelvin Kurkowski" <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: video
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kelvin Kurkowski"
<kkurkow@chase3000.com>
>
> Paul, I assume you are asking about the tape I made for several of the
> guys. I have one here for you, and have emailed you off list a couple of
> times asking for your address, but there must be a glitch in the way I
> copied your address to the new email or, in your address that appears on
the
> Kolb list emails. ???? Don't know why you are not getting my emails "off
> list" Kelvin Kurkowski Rt 1 Box 103 76795 Rd 332 Grant, NE 69140
> Tnx guys ( I ran out of blank tapes so I think I've still got 2 or 3 to
> send)
> definitely DO NOT ARCHIVE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: video
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
> >
> > Kolbers,
> > I wanted to buy a copy of the old Kolb tape. I wrote it down and have
lost
> the name and adress. Can someone help me out? Mail to lynnp@c-gate.net
> >
> >
> > pp
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Super Kolbra Update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
Hey John. Thanks for the data. It looks like your Kolbra will perform
beautifully with the 912. Your fun meter must be pegged.
Stall speed seems a tad high so assume your ASI is somewhat optimistic.
Since you have so much X/C under your belt I'm sure you have the
correction from GPS numbers. TAS numbers would be great.
Also, what is the reduction ratio for your 912?
Thanks,
Bill George
Hawaii
Kolb Mk-3 Verner 1400 Powerfin
do not archive
On Jan 27, 2004, at 9:56 PM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote:
> Time: 03:17:52 PM PST US
> From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Super Kolbra Update
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
> <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> The Rotax 912 ULS 100 hp engine might be little "Over Kill" when
> installed
> on a Kolb Kolbra. But I'm gonna keep it.
>
> A little cool here in Texas today so that helped improve some of the
> performance.
>
> Here are some numbers from the first flight. I will refine them
> during the
> next 5 hours of flying:
>
> Max Static RPM - 5420, PA - 0, OAT - 39
>
> Initial Take-Off - 5420 RPM, 1500 FPM climb at 70 MPH IAS
>
> Cruise Speeds:
> 5500 RPM - 110 MPH
> 5100 RPM - 100 MPH
> 4900 RPM - 96 MPH
> 4700 RPM - 90 MPH
> 4500 RPM - 85 MPH
> 4200 RPM - 80 MPH
> 4000 RPM - 70 MPH
> 3800 RPM - 60 MPH
>
> Power-Off Stall (Idle RPM 1620 in-flight) - 48 MPH IAS
>
> Power-On Stall (Full throttle RPM 5420) - 42 MPH IAS and still
> climbing 1000
> FPM.
>
> It seem that the Kolbra is going to do very nicely with this new
> engine.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Lar/guys,
A couple of months ago I had my ISP block all e-mails to ppetty@c-gate.net to rid
myself of the spam problem I was having. If you are not on the list that I
gave the ISP the e-mails go into a spam folder and don't go back to you as a returned
e-mail.Funny Lar I was sure you were on the list because your in my address
book. Guess you got blocked. Sorry. I use my wife's e-mail for all others
because it's not popular with the spamers....yet.... Nose not in the air over
anything....Head is rather large after completing my first ever Kolb wing though.........:-)
pp
lynnp@c-gate.net
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| Subject: | Re: e-mail (Paul P) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Yeah, I sent him the tape info to BOTH his email adds. Odd thing to ask
fer info, and then block it.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: NE gathering comes together!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Airgriff2@aol.com wrote:
>>OK gang
>
>>From the feed back on todays list there does't seem much interest to fly into
> Cooperstown. Thanks for the photo, John H., yes that if the field I'm
> talking about. Since you were there the new owner sunk $750,000.00 into it and
loves
> to see UL's come in. Maybe another time we can schedual a fly-in there. Most
> of the interest seems to be leading for flying into Wellsville PA.from fellas
> like Denny, Gene, Richard, Earl, Russel. Lets get one person to coordiate and
> head it up. Any volunteers ? Who is the most familiar with the event ? We
> need the exact dates, identifier, facilities availiable, such as showers,
> camping, food, fuel etc.
> Someone even mentioned a flight from wellsville to Homers ? How far a trip
> is that ?
> Anyway, someone take the raines here and let's plan a Northeast Gathering of
> Kolbs at the Wellsville PA Fly-in.
> Fly Safe
> Bob Griffin
>
Terry has done a good job organizing several local flyins last year. I'd
be happy to volunteer him for the job of point man. Sorry Terry, but you
are good. :-)
1:15 to 1:30 hrs. sounds about right to get to Homers' strip or less
with a tail wind.
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| Subject: | Re: Super Kolbra Update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
John W:
110 MPH in a Kolb ??!!
Criminy - I hope all your parts stay attached!
My Mark-III won't even do that in a dive.
Congrats on finally finishing your Kolbra ROCKET upgrade!
Dennis Kirby
New Mexico
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steven Green" <kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
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| Subject: | Re: Super Kolbra Update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
George and all,
Went out and verified the numbers from yesterday. The conditions were just
about the same today as yesterday so the numbers were the same,. I have
added the TAS numbers that correspond:
Cruise Speeds in mph at 2500' PA, 31 F:
5500 RPM - 110 IAS 112 TAS
5100 RPM - 100 IAS 102 TAS
4900 RPM - 96 IAS 98 TAS
4800 RPM - 93 IAS 95 TAS
4700 RPM - 90 IAS 91 TAS
4500 RPM - 85 IAS 86 TAS
4200 RPM - 80 IAS 81 TAS
4000 RPM - 70 IAS 71 TAS
3800 RPM - 60 IAS 61 TAS
My airspeed indicator has been checked several times with the GPS and with
other Kolbs and is very close to correct IAS.
I had to tape up the oil cooler to get the temp up to the normal range.
CHT's and EGT's are running very cool.
The 912 ULS has a 2:43 gearbox on it.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra: 512 hours, Rotax 912 ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
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| Subject: | Re: e-mail (Paul P) |
required 4.6, BAYES_00 -4.90)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Bob/all I replied to your e-mail with a hearty thank you as well as Dallas
Shepard. Sorry if ya didn't get it..
Cabin fever must be getting the best of you guys.
pp
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: e-mail (Paul P)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
>
> Yeah, I sent him the tape info to BOTH his email adds. Odd thing to ask
> fer info, and then block it.
>
> Bob N.
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: e-mail (Paul P) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Paul--I sent to both your add and to your wife's. Ck hers. If not
there, I'll resend on list. Looked at both my own "bad" file, and the
one my ISP blocks-zip.
Bob N.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
John,
Any fuel burn numbers yet?
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Good news. I couldn't figure out what the problem was............thought we
had parted friends last summer. :-) I emailed you about the air
filter we had discussed. I NEED it. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: e-mail
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
> Lar/guys,
>
> A couple of months ago I had my ISP block all e-mails to ppetty@c-gate.net
to rid myself of the spam problem I was having. If you are not on the list
that I gave the ISP the e-mails go into a spam folder and don't go back to
you as a returned
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
>
> Cruise Speeds:
> 5500 RPM - 110 MPH
> 5100 RPM - 100 MPH
> 4900 RPM - 96 MPH
> 4700 RPM - 90 MPH
> 4500 RPM - 85 MPH
> 4200 RPM - 80 MPH
> 4000 RPM - 70 MPH
> 3800 RPM - 60 MPH
----------------------------------------------
the new buzz word at monument valley will be "dont pass, push "
boyd
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| Subject: | incidence in wing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
To decrease incidence in wing would require cutting off the top of the
windshield.
Plenty time to think about the problem.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
------------------------
if you reduce the incidence in the wing you will need longer landing gear to get
into the air.... you say you are pulling the boom tube sideways through the
air,,,,,, i dont have a lot of airodynamic know how but it seems that the
angle on the tube is not great enough to be a problem....how many degrees can
you bend the air before you get a wind seperation from the surface? it seems
to me that the larger area of drag is at the angle just after the door, where
the cross section decreases quite rapidly.
boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
I am starting to get serious about going to Homer Kolb's strip over
Father's Day weekend. Think about it. We could fly together. I will be
asking Vince Nicely (Firestar II) if he wants to go with us.
rp
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