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1. 03:49 AM - Re: mod weight (GeoR38@aol.com)
2. 03:56 AM - Re: BRS Canister Repack (Airgriff2@aol.com)
3. 05:17 AM - Re: enclosure question (bryan green)
4. 05:58 AM - Re: enclosure question (Don Gherardini)
5. 10:55 AM - Re: enclosure question (bryan green)
6. 12:44 PM - Re: engine cowling (CRAIG M NELSON)
7. 12:58 PM - Re: enclosure question (Don Gherardini)
8. 01:41 PM - Re: enclosure question (John Hauck)
9. 02:00 PM - Re: enclosure question (Denny Rowe)
10. 02:38 PM - Re: enclosure question (Paul Petty)
11. 03:54 PM - 10 gal fuel tank (bryan green)
12. 03:54 PM - Re: engine cowling /p.s. (CRAIG M NELSON)
13. 04:08 PM - Re: enclosure question (Don Gherardini)
14. 04:49 PM - Envious (Bill Vincent)
15. 05:32 PM - Re: BRS Canister Repack (Richard Swiderski)
16. 06:45 PM - Re: mod weight (Richard Swiderski)
17. 07:56 PM - Re: BRS Canister Repack (John Hauck)
18. 08:14 PM - Re: mod weight (John Hauck)
19. 08:25 PM - Re: mod weight (Don Gherardini)
20. 08:38 PM - Re: mod weight/Wonderful World of Kolbs. (John Hauck)
21. 08:48 PM - Re: mod weight (garvelink)
22. 09:15 PM - Re: mod weight/Wonderful World of Kolbs. (garvelink)
23. 09:32 PM - Re: mod weight/Aileron Counter Balance Weights. (John Hauck)
24. 09:32 PM - Re: mod weight (Dale Sellers)
25. 09:35 PM - Re: BRS Canister Repack (Richard Pike)
26. 10:05 PM - Re: Aileron Flutter and Counter Balance Weights (John Hauck)
27. 10:19 PM - Re: Aileron Flutter and Counter Balance Weights (John Hauck)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 2/9/04 2:02:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
possums@mindspring.com writes:
> >Wish I had had those aluminum angles on my old Firestar. :-)
> >
> >Take care,
> >
> >john h
>
> So did Aubrey Radford.
> I go them on mine - at least the front ones.
>
>
> 10668113.jpg
>
eh? wha?!
do not archive
George R
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| Subject: | Re: BRS Canister Repack |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
>
> >>
>> >> I am
>> > wondering how absolutely necessary it is to have a pricey repack
>> job
>> done??
>>
>
>
> >> While I appreciate your willingness to respond, I was hoping to hear from
>> someone with experience, not just opinions and philosophy.
>>
> Jimmy, it is not "absolutely necessary" to do anything to your reserve
system, but if you want to follow imput from someone with experience I would follow
the published BRS recommendations on service and maintenance. I would guess
that they have the most experience with the product. I,m sure that someone
on "the list" knows of a pilot who has deployed a system that old without ever
having done a repack but I don't think they are going to recommend to anyone
to do the same.
Over my years of flying experience, which includes, hang gliding, powered
parachutes, Cessnas, Cubs, and Kolbs, the most important thing I have ever
learned is this: I have control over the amount of risk that I expose myself to
in many situations. Doing required maintenance on equipment would fall into
that catagory.
Fly Safe
Bob Griffin
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| Subject: | Re: enclosure question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
The tank is for a Challenger II and I am putting it in basically the same
place as the old one. Will send pics. off list.
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: <ZackGSD@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: enclosure question
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ZackGSD@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 2/8/2004 5:30:52 PM Central Standard Time,
> lgreen1@sc.rr.com writes:
>
> > Subj: Re: Kolb-List: enclosure question
> > Date: 2/8/2004 5:30:52 PM Central Standard Time
> > From: lgreen1@sc.rr.com
> > Reply-to: kolb-list@matronics.com
> > To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> > Sent from the Internet
> >
> >
> >
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
> >
> > Hi Alan I am reworking my original Firestar adding an enclosure and a 10
gal
> > tank among other things. Although I am fabricating my enclosure from
photos
> > the nice folks at TNK has an enclosure kit for a reasonable cost.
> > If you want I have photos of a lot of the guys enclosures if ya need
to
> > see some.
> > Bryan Green Elgin SC
> > Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <ZackGSD@aol.com>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kolb-List: enclosure question
> >
>
> Bryan, thanks for the reply and info; yes, please send me any photo's you
> have. Were are you putting the 10 gal. tank?
>
> do not archive
>
> >
> > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: ZackGSD@aol.com
> > >
> > >i'm new to the list, so forgive me if i do not get this just right. i
> > just
> > >bought a one-owner 95 kold firestar in mint condition w 90 hrs. 503,
> > single
> > >card. i am a ga pilot and have had two ul in the past. two
> > questions..1.. has
> > >anyone enclosed an older firestar before with lexan? at least back to
the
> > >bulk-head, right before the 5 gal. tank? 2. has anyone every placed a
> > small
> > >extra tank right behind the seat, i.e., a 3 gal tank? would this
change
> > the cg to
> > >do so, or is that right on the mark?
> > >
> > >alan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: enclosure question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Bryan, What are the dimensions of that challenger gas tank?
thx
Don Gherardini
Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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| Subject: | Re: enclosure question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
18" tall to top of cap x 14" deep x 12" wide with the cap on the front
center fuel pickup tube rear center than it has a bubble sump front bottom.
I will have to turn it slightly to keep the sump off the tubing and give
lots of clearance for push pull tube. Ahh heck I send a picture off list.
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: enclosure question
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Bryan, What are the dimensions of that challenger gas tank?
>
> thx
>
>
> Don Gherardini
> Sales / Engineering dept.
> American Honda Engines
> Power Equipment Company
> CortLand, Illinois
> 800-626-7326
>
> DDO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: engine cowling |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
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Clay and all:
the testing is going fine the cowling. it is in three pieces on the garage floor
and seems to be able to maintain ambient temp in all sorts of wind speeds. when
the drier ( cloths direr ) is turned on the temp and humidity seems to rise
a little. When I get the weed blower out and some air passes by the parts there
seems to be no noticeable change in temp. when the garage door is open in
the morning and the Arizona sun hits it the temp appears to rise 15 to 20 degrees.
When I get it on the plane with a running motor these tests may all seem
in vain. been spending too much time on the plumbing, gap sil and fuel system.
The wiring need a few days work the controls are all installed i.e.. throttle,
choke, trim ect. One last color of paint to the leading edge of the gap sil
and we will be firing the engine. will keep you informed
uncle craig
MKIIIex 912uls warp
Arizona www.milows.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: Clay Stuart
Subject: Kolb-List: engine cowling
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Uncle Craig and Kolb drivers,
How is the engine cowling testing going? I don't believe you have a BRS, do
you? Would there be room in front of the intake for the parachute?
Hasn't someone mounted the BRS underneath to fire downward? Any reason not
to have this configuration?
Clay Stuart
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| Subject: | Re: enclosure question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
DAng..I like that tank....where can I get one just like it?
Don Gherardini
Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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| Subject: | Re: enclosure question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> DAng..I like that tank....where can I get one just like it?
>
> Don Gherardini
Hi Don/Gang:
I'm probably the only one lost, but I have no idea what you are talking
about? other than a tank? enclosure?
Scratch head, scratch head. . . . .
Having a heat wave at hauck's holler, 59F at 1540. I love it. Should be
flying!!!!!!!
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: enclosure question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: enclosure question
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> DAng..I like that tank....where can I get one just like it?
>
> Don Gherardini
> Sales / Engineering dept.
> American Honda Engines
> Power Equipment Company
> CortLand, Illinois
> 800-626-7326
>
>
> Could ya send me the photo of the tank also, along with the capacity and
dimensions?
Thanks,
Denny Rowe
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: enclosure question |
required 4.6, BAYES_00 -4.90)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Me too...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: enclosure question
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: enclosure question
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini"
<donghe@one-eleven.net>
> >
> > DAng..I like that tank....where can I get one just like it?
> >
> > Don Gherardini
> > Sales / Engineering dept.
> > American Honda Engines
> > Power Equipment Company
> > CortLand, Illinois
> > 800-626-7326
> >
> >
> > Could ya send me the photo of the tank also, along with the capacity and
> dimensions?
>
> Thanks,
> Denny Rowe
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | 10 gal fuel tank |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Sorry to cause all the confusion. Don and I were talking about the tank I bought
for my plane and did not change the subject line. The dimensions are 18" tall
to top of cap x 14" deep x 12" wide. With a little work it will fit where the
old one does. If you want the pics contact me off list. I got it from
John Davis ( Carolina Sport Flying ) E-mail patches11us@yahoo.com Phone 803-484-4958
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
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| Subject: | Re: engine cowling /p.s. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
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Clay & all
no I don't have a BRS. I think a cylinder one could be retro fitted to go in front
of the cowl though.
uncle craig
MKIIIex 912uls warp
Arizona www.milows.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: Clay Stuart
Subject: Kolb-List: engine cowling
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Uncle Craig and Kolb drivers,
How is the engine cowling testing going? I don't believe you have a BRS, do
you? Would there be room in front of the intake for the parachute?
Hasn't someone mounted the BRS underneath to fire downward? Any reason not
to have this configuration?
Clay Stuart
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| Subject: | Re: enclosure question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
John....Denny...Paul.....
Its a big secret!!!!!
LOL
hehe....not really...pulling ur leg pard!
Bryan sent me a pic of the tank he put inside his enclosure....from
challenger...their 10 gallon jug is 18 high by 12x14..with a dimple/bubble
sump on the bottom....it looks like it will fit nicely in the Flys
bay..which is now 15 inchs fore an aft since rearranging a 1/4 brace across
where the 12x12 -5 gal jug used to sit. It looks alot like the kolb jug
other than its bigger and the sump bump on the bottom.
I called Karen at quad-cities and ordered one today...130 sumpthin with cap
and pickups....dang...I oughtta be in the jug biz! They probably get em free
surplus from the wesson oil man!
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Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Having a heat wave at hauck's holler, 59F at 1540. I love it. Should
be
flying!!!!!!!
Take care,
john h
Hi John and Gang
I am envious of your 59F, it is so cold here, that the icicles have
goose bumps.
It is so cold I saw a bird fall of a telephone line and shatter as it
hit the ground!
No wonder my plane has a snowmobile engine on it! :-)
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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| Subject: | BRS Canister Repack |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@rocketjet.net>
Jimmy,
FWIW, I talked with a guy who tested the rockets (that we use
for parachutes) for the military. He told me He never tested one that
didn't fire, even those that had been years past their rec shelf life.
Mildew &/or deterioration of the chute fabric is probably the biggest
worry. If your can have a rigger repack it, it would seem reasonable to
extend a factory repack by a lot. ....Richard Swiderski
> In other words, do any of you know of a canister that has been fired
after
> 6, 8, or 10 years? Jimmy
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@rocketjet.net>
"garvelink"
I flew an UltraStar hard & fast & sometimes heavy for about
350hrs. No aerobatics, if you don't count wingovers. Twice I went
through some violent wing flutter (before I got rid of the control
linkage slop & pin attatchment slop & inboard spar flex). It remained a
faithful & dependable friend. The only structural failures that I know
of were from impacting mother earth with not enough finesse. ...Richard
Swiderski
Don,
What about the Ultrastar? do you know if there have been any structural
failures?
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| Subject: | Re: BRS Canister Repack |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>FWIW, I talked with a guy who tested the rockets (that we use
> for parachutes) for the military. He told me He never tested one that
> didn't fire, even those that had been years past their rec shelf life.
> Mildew &/or deterioration of the chute fabric is probably the biggest
> worry. If your can have a rigger repack it, it would seem reasonable to
> extend a factory repack by a lot. ....Richard Swiderski
Richard/Gang:
That sounds great.
How long can I extend the repack on my BRS?
john h
PS: Of course, you are volunteering to be the test dummy for these extended
inspection and repack times???
PSS: We need to be very careful giving advice to folks based on speculation
that might mean the difference of life or death. There are a lot of very
serious aspects to our sport of building and flying Kolb aircraft. Let's
have fun, but be careful. None of us are immune to gravity, or exempt from
"Murphy". If I was going to give someone advice on whether they should
extend the inspection and repack cycle of their BRS Balistic Recovery
System, it would be to follow the directives. If there are any questions,
direct them to the professionals at BRS.
PSSS: What does the Navy use the BRS rocket for?
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I flew an UltraStar hard & fast & sometimes heavy for about
> 350hrs. No aerobatics, if you don't count wingovers. Twice I went
> through some violent wing flutter (before I got rid of the control
> linkage slop & pin attatchment slop & inboard spar flex). It remained a
> faithful & dependable friend. The only structural failures that I know
> of were from impacting mother earth with not enough finesse. ...Richard
> Swiderski
Richard/Gang:
Now that we have the Ultrastars and Firestars behind us, it is enlightening
to know that the aileron counter balance weights will prevent aileron
flutter when correctly installed. Even with old sloppy aileron controls,
hinges, rod end bearings, etc. I remember chasing any minute looseness in
my aileron control system, trying to prevent the Ultrastar from getting into
aileron flutter. It usually happened during long cross countries, or coming
out of a loop too fast. On XC's it would start so slowly and gentlely I
would not realize it until it had blosomed into full bloom flutter. The
aileron bell crank right over and to the rear of the pilot's head would wear
and get sloppy in the welded on bushings. I remember taking some urethane
fuel line and hose clamps on each side on the outter ends, clamping pretty
hard to add some friction and take some of the slop out of the bell crank.
That's been nearly 20 years ago.
I met Richard at the Florida Flying Gator Fall Flyin the first part of
November 1987. I had stopped off there for the weekend and flyin during my
flight down to Miami and back. I was out flying early one morning, spied
the Ultrastar flying around north of the airstrip in an area of antennas up
near HWY 27 and the Florida Turnpike. I layed in on him and followed him
around a long time before he realized he had been shot down 47 times.
Richard extended his hospitality and I enjoyed his company and that of his
friends while at the airpark. Thanks Richard.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Garvelink...Pard..I know nuttin bout an ultrastar...only seen a couple in my
life....
And I oughtta say this...the only wing failures I have ever heard of on a
kolb have been since I have joined this list...and have been exposed to the
huge amount of Kolb experience here....and so far..for all those who have
missed the posts,,,. Neither fellas who busted their Kolbs...Blamed it on
the airplane. And they are still flyin Kolbs!
Just thought that oughtta be said!
Just so some a ya's dont get the wrong idea...AS I have said it
before....This FireFly I built last winter is my first Kolb....and the first
time I ever even got a ride in one..was the day after OshKosh last year.
Thanks to a gracious member here..I never really paid them much attention in
all mthe years past...thought they were too small in the cockpit...looked
funny..I dunno...They just never tripped my trigger as a bird I thought I
would like...I bought a Kit and built it because I could see they built
easy..and I got a good price on a Kit someone had barely started....The Love
affair started after I flew it.....
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: mod weight/Wonderful World of Kolbs. |
MARKETING_SUBJECT
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> They just never tripped my trigger as a bird I thought I
> would like...I bought a Kit and built it because I could see they built
> easy..and I got a good price on a Kit someone had barely started....The
Love
> affair started after I flew it.....
>
> Don Gherardini
Don/Gang:
The Kolbs look the way an airplane is supposed to look, as far as I am
concerned. I like their looks, and especially the way they fly. That's all
I have flown for the past 20 years.
I remember sitting in the cockpit of my Ultrastar, in the Summer on a
beautiful clear day, 5,000 feet ASL, 25 mph, cut off Levis, t-shirt, and
flip flops. Like sitting on top of the world.
Once I was in the seat and strapped in and flying, my Ultrastar cockpit was
very similar to sitting in any aircraft I had every flown. I felt secure
and the the airplane was a part of me, and I was a part of it.
Kolbs are unique.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
Can you balance the ailerons on the ultrastar?
Srglink
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: mod weight
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> > I flew an UltraStar hard & fast & sometimes heavy for about
> > 350hrs. No aerobatics, if you don't count wingovers. Twice I went
> > through some violent wing flutter (before I got rid of the control
> > linkage slop & pin attatchment slop & inboard spar flex). It remained a
> > faithful & dependable friend. The only structural failures that I know
> > of were from impacting mother earth with not enough finesse. ...Richard
> > Swiderski
>
>
> Richard/Gang:
>
> Now that we have the Ultrastars and Firestars behind us, it is
enlightening
> to know that the aileron counter balance weights will prevent aileron
> flutter when correctly installed. Even with old sloppy aileron controls,
> hinges, rod end bearings, etc. I remember chasing any minute looseness in
> my aileron control system, trying to prevent the Ultrastar from getting
into
> aileron flutter. It usually happened during long cross countries, or
coming
> out of a loop too fast. On XC's it would start so slowly and gentlely I
> would not realize it until it had blosomed into full bloom flutter. The
> aileron bell crank right over and to the rear of the pilot's head would
wear
> and get sloppy in the welded on bushings. I remember taking some urethane
> fuel line and hose clamps on each side on the outter ends, clamping pretty
> hard to add some friction and take some of the slop out of the bell crank.
> That's been nearly 20 years ago.
>
> I met Richard at the Florida Flying Gator Fall Flyin the first part of
> November 1987. I had stopped off there for the weekend and flyin during
my
> flight down to Miami and back. I was out flying early one morning, spied
> the Ultrastar flying around north of the airstrip in an area of antennas
up
> near HWY 27 and the Florida Turnpike. I layed in on him and followed him
> around a long time before he realized he had been shot down 47 times.
> Richard extended his hospitality and I enjoyed his company and that of his
> friends while at the airpark. Thanks Richard.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: mod weight/Wonderful World of Kolbs. |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
Guys I am really looking forward to flying this bird. thanks for all the
advice.
Srglink
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: mod weight/Wonderful World of Kolbs.
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> > They just never tripped my trigger as a bird I thought I
> > would like...I bought a Kit and built it because I could see they built
> > easy..and I got a good price on a Kit someone had barely started....The
> Love
> > affair started after I flew it.....
> >
> > Don Gherardini
>
> Don/Gang:
>
> The Kolbs look the way an airplane is supposed to look, as far as I am
> concerned. I like their looks, and especially the way they fly. That's
all
> I have flown for the past 20 years.
>
> I remember sitting in the cockpit of my Ultrastar, in the Summer on a
> beautiful clear day, 5,000 feet ASL, 25 mph, cut off Levis, t-shirt, and
> flip flops. Like sitting on top of the world.
>
> Once I was in the seat and strapped in and flying, my Ultrastar cockpit
was
> very similar to sitting in any aircraft I had every flown. I felt secure
> and the the airplane was a part of me, and I was a part of it.
>
> Kolbs are unique.
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: mod weight/Aileron Counter Balance Weights. |
MARKETING_SUBJECT
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Can you balance the ailerons on the ultrastar?
>
> Srglink
Srglink/Gang:
Yes, I can now. Didn't know how back then.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
John,
What action should be taken on the US with the onset of aileron flutter? I
have 7 hours on mine and I haven't had any that I know of.
Dale Sellers
Georgia
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: mod weight
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> > I flew an UltraStar hard & fast & sometimes heavy for about
> > 350hrs. No aerobatics, if you don't count wingovers. Twice I went
> > through some violent wing flutter (before I got rid of the control
> > linkage slop & pin attatchment slop & inboard spar flex). It remained a
> > faithful & dependable friend. The only structural failures that I know
> > of were from impacting mother earth with not enough finesse. ...Richard
> > Swiderski
>
>
> Richard/Gang:
>
> Now that we have the Ultrastars and Firestars behind us, it is
enlightening
> to know that the aileron counter balance weights will prevent aileron
> flutter when correctly installed. Even with old sloppy aileron controls,
> hinges, rod end bearings, etc. I remember chasing any minute looseness in
> my aileron control system, trying to prevent the Ultrastar from getting
into
> aileron flutter. It usually happened during long cross countries, or
coming
> out of a loop too fast. On XC's it would start so slowly and gentlely I
> would not realize it until it had blosomed into full bloom flutter. The
> aileron bell crank right over and to the rear of the pilot's head would
wear
> and get sloppy in the welded on bushings. I remember taking some urethane
> fuel line and hose clamps on each side on the outter ends, clamping pretty
> hard to add some friction and take some of the slop out of the bell crank.
> That's been nearly 20 years ago.
>
> I met Richard at the Florida Flying Gator Fall Flyin the first part of
> November 1987. I had stopped off there for the weekend and flyin during
my
> flight down to Miami and back. I was out flying early one morning, spied
> the Ultrastar flying around north of the airstrip in an area of antennas
up
> near HWY 27 and the Florida Turnpike. I layed in on him and followed him
> around a long time before he realized he had been shot down 47 times.
> Richard extended his hospitality and I enjoyed his company and that of his
> friends while at the airpark. Thanks Richard.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: BRS Canister Repack |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
I remembered hearing when ballistic parachutes first came out that the
rockets were originally used for throwing a line from one ship to another
and were called LHR's rockets or something like that, so I did a search and
finally found this. May not be the same, but probably similar.
http://www.lhrservices.com/search_and_rescue/line_throwing.htm
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 09:55 PM 2/9/04 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
<snip>
>PSSS: What does the Navy use the BRS rocket for?
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Aileron Flutter and Counter Balance Weights |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> John,
> What action should be taken on the US with the onset of aileron flutter?
I
> have 7 hours on mine and I haven't had any that I know of.
>
> Dale Sellers
Hi Dale/Gang:
Shut your eyes and scream!!!
Seriously, if you get into flutter, chop the power, try and grab the stick
and get the nose up to bleed off airspeed.
High airspeed is usually present when flutter occurs, but not always.
On my Ultrastar, flutter came on, usually, very, very slowly. Sort of a
slight shuffle in the slack in the aileron control system. If not noticed,
or ignored, it can get ugly.
Some Kolbs never experience aileron flutter. The old Kolb Factory MK III
was put in and out of all kinds of attitudes, in smooth and rough air, and
air speeds. Never know of it even thinking about flutter. A point to
consider is, Old Kold used very little dope and paint on their airplanes
they took to S&F and OSH. The heavier the aileron, the more out of balance
it is, and the more supcetible to flutter.
The thing to do is install a set of aileron counter balance weights on your
ailerons and forget about flutter from now on, no matter how sloppy your
aileron controls and hardware get.
They are simple to install after the aircraft is covered and painted. In
fact, that is the way I prefer to do mine. Finish the wing through paint,
then install. I don't do any prep prior to that, like cutting out the
fabric from the end of the leading edge of the aileron tube.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Aileron Flutter and Counter Balance Weights |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Seriously, if you get into flutter, chop the power, try and grab the
stick
> and get the nose up to bleed off airspeed.
Hi Ya'll:
Something I forgot.
You should also try to put pressure either left or right stick. If the
ailerons get loaded, they'll stop fluttering. That is used in conjunction
with chopping throttle, getting nose up, bleeding off airspeed.
john h
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