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1. 04:12 AM - Re: throttle: AS-In "Somebody THROTTLE That GUY!!!" (Paul Petty)
2. 04:30 AM - Re: throttle (GeoR38@aol.com)
3. 05:09 AM - Re: throttle (GeoR38@aol.com)
4. 06:09 AM - Re: Woods brothers? (Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious)
5. 07:50 AM - "To John" (Jim Gerken)
6. 07:50 AM - Re: throttle (Christopher Armstrong)
7. 08:07 AM - Re: "To John" (Edward Chmielewski)
8. 08:28 AM - Re: Engine Oil Thermostat (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
9. 09:37 AM - Re: Engine Oil Thermostat (John Hauck)
10. 09:41 AM - Re: "To John" (John Hauck)
11. 09:53 AM - Re: warp drive (Ben Ransom)
12. 10:11 AM - list usage. (Christopher Armstrong)
13. 10:12 AM - Re: "To John" (James, Ken)
14. 10:19 AM - Re: Strut Flutter (ZackGSD@aol.com)
15. 10:33 AM - Re: list usage. (John Hauck)
16. 10:51 AM - parachute repack (Ben Ransom)
17. 11:34 AM - Re: list usage. (Dale Sellers)
18. 01:22 PM - Re: list usage. (Ron or Mary Payne)
19. 01:28 PM - Re: list usage. (TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com)
20. 02:43 PM - BRS (Mike Pierzina)
21. 02:45 PM - Re: list usage. (Dale Sellers)
22. 02:54 PM - Re: list usage. (TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com)
23. 02:54 PM - Re: list usage. (John Hauck)
24. 03:27 PM - Kolb List (Jim Hauck)
25. 03:54 PM - Re: list usage--What is really going on here? (Jim Clayton)
26. 04:01 PM - Re: Kolb List (Paul Petty)
27. 04:19 PM - Re: Kolb List (bryan green)
28. 04:30 PM - Re: Kolb List (Dale Sellers)
29. 04:37 PM - new builders (Paul Petty)
30. 04:38 PM - Re: list usage. (Dale Sellers)
31. 04:49 PM - Re: Kolb List (ul15rhb@juno.com)
32. 04:54 PM - Re: parachute repack (Richard Swiderski)
33. 05:08 PM - Re: Kolb List (Jim Hauck)
34. 05:15 PM - Re:NEW builders (bryan green)
35. 05:38 PM - (Dan Cooper)
36. 05:40 PM - Re: Kolb List (John Hauck)
37. 05:48 PM - q (Russ Kinne)
38. 06:33 PM - Can't We all just get along (Daniel Walter)
39. 06:42 PM - Re: new builders (Duncan McBride)
40. 07:08 PM - Re: (Denny Rowe)
41. 07:36 PM - Re: Kolb List (Dale Sellers)
42. 08:41 PM - Re: Kolb List (John Hauck)
43. 09:31 PM - Re: Bill (Larry Bourne)
44. 11:39 PM - Re: rivnuts (Larry Bourne)
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| Subject: | Re: throttle: AS-In "Somebody THROTTLE That GUY!!!" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Richard, Yes, I noticed this a while back. I was also not getting all of the
messages that were being posted. I subscribed to the "digests" version and
noticed that there were post in that version that were not in the regular
way I was receiving messages.
Try it....
pp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@rocketjet.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: throttle: AS-In "Somebody THROTTLE That GUY!!!"
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski"
<swiderski@rocketjet.net>
>
> Thanks John for the feedback.
> I just clicked off a 3rd attempt to see if I could get it thru
> today! Sorry guys. Anyone ever have this happen to you- send a post
> that the list gets but you don't, but all other of your posts of same
> day go as normal?
> ...Richard Swiderski
>
> DO NOT ARCIVE
>
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: throttle
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> | God speaking. [[And as I said on my previous reply (which by the
> way,
> Richard Swiderski
>
> Richard/Gang:
>
> All your msgs are coming through loud and clear, 1st, 2d, maybe even
> 3d.
>
> You seem to be the only one not getting a copy. :-)
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 2/11/04 11:03:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tophera@centurytel.net writes:
> . When you have a directional
> control in your hand and you add a power control that moves in a way that
> would seam to swing your nose left and right was very confusing. Sure you
> could get used to it and fly fine, but it was not intuitive. When the shit
> hits the fan and a crosswind gust points your nose off the runway I am
> willing to bet that 5 out of 10 people would twist that throttle trying to
> turn the nose back to the runway, cutting the power instead and making a bad
> situation worse. Intuitiveness of controls is very important under stress.
>
>
I have microsoft flight simulator for WWII fighters and, indeed, the rudder
control is twisting the stick....(no foot control)....and throttle is separate
hand. It is second nature to me now that I have shot down 2141 planes.....just
teasin. Of course I was shot down 2141 times myself....er....almost.
George Randolph
Firestar KX driver from the villages
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 2/11/04 7:11:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
swiderski@rocketjet.net writes:
> AS I said before, I like it so much that
> I converted every plane I've had since.nbsp; When used in conjuction with
> flaperons it allows me to vary the lift of the wings, the power of the
> engine, and the three axis of direction, all simultaneously.nbsp; Some
> might
> consider this suicidal amp;accuse me of leading this list astray, so for
> those of you who are not thinking adults, please realize, this is not
> God speaking.nbsp; [[And as I said on my previous reply (which by the way,
> hasn't appeared on the List after 2 attempts-- Conspiracy?--) to some
> misconstrued "advice" I supposedly gave on parachutes, "If anyone does
> believe I am God, send me your bank account info amp;I'll properly reward
> you."]]nbsp; Anyway, back to the topic, I do not experience all that
> control
> as overload. It gives me more control in the moment when I most need it.
>
>
> Richard Swiderski
> --Still Grounded Working Sometimes On Turbo Geo-Metro Engine So I Might
> Fly My SlingShot Again
>
>
> --gt; Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini"
> lt;donghe@one-eleven.netgt;
>
> Richard!.....,
>
>
> throttle on the stick?...like a harley?..do you mean a twist grip
> motorcycle
> type deal?
> sounds very interesting!!!
>
>
> Don Gherardini
> SlingShot again
>
Richard....yer good buddy....but yer probably not god, cause yer younger than
me.
George Randolph
Firestar driver from the Villages
waitin fer yer call
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
Denny, the slingshot is listed for sale on Ebay.
>From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: Woods brothers?
>Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:45:04 -0500
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
>Guys,
>Ians' recent post mentioning 912S powered Slingshots got me thinking that I
>have not seen any posts from the Woods brothers from Georgia in a long
>time.
>Bill I beleive and I forget his brothers name. They had their beutiful
>prize winning Mk-3 and Slingshot, both powered with 912s, at the 2000 TNK
>fly-in.
>The level of finish on those two aircraft was breathtaking and they were
>extreamely generous with their time explaining some of the ideas they
>incorporated into their birds.
>Has anyone kept in touch with them? And if so, how are they doing?
>I would like to thank them belatedly for the advice they offered me at TNK
>and wish that they were active here on the list, they have a lot of
>technical knowhow that would be a benefit to all Kolbers.
>
>Later,
>Denny Rowe, MK-3, PA
>
>
Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious
Tenacity Farm
Campbellsburg, Kentucky
Keep up with high-tech trends here at "Hook'd on Technology."
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02/12/2004 09:47:07 AM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
John H wrote to the list:
>However, I think you made a serious mistake trying to make me look
>bad to the rest of the Kolb List, comparing ballistic recovery
>inspections/repack schedules to what I have done to/with my Kolb
>airplanes
>over the years. Your information and the examples you use are totally
>incorrect and misrepresented. Your purpose is very obvious to me,
>whether it is to anyone else on this List or not.
While the above is NOT the note John sent to me by direct email yesterday,
it is a tamed-down version of it. I did answer John's original direct
email, but he responded again to my explanation with a demand for me to
publish a public apology. This is that apology. Sorry I was too busy
yesterday to crank it out for you John. I regret offending anyone by my
original post, and I apologize if anyone feels I misrepresented their
viewpoint. I freely admit, as does everyone, I believe, that John is the
List's most experienced pilot. I did not intend to demean Him.
That said however, I stand by my recommendation to the newer guys reading
the Kolb List; Be aware that most of the opinions expressed on the List
are unproven stuff, and as such are not necessarily "better" or certainly
needed on your plane. Adding holes and weight without knowing what
surrounding structure you are affecting would be like creating a new
unproven design. Your choice, follow the structural plans or test pilot.
A lot of work went into the kit guys buy and build today as a Kolb (input
from many of us, I believe, is incorporated), to make the aircraft as safe
and dependable as possible. More is not better, enough is enough. Add
fun stuff, personalize, etc, but leave the structure alone, IMHO, unless
you know more than the people who designed it.
On a different but obviously related note,
I have discovered that the Matronics Archive search suits me better than
wading through 30-50 posts each day, so have un-subscribed from Digest
mode. I will follow along, when time permits, on subjects such as
powerplants, safety stuff and such, using archive searches. My email
address is available at the top of this post, and it is all over in the
archives, for anyone to use for direct contact if so desired. The
Matronics search tool does work very slick and looks like it will save me
time I would otherwise spend reading through the hundreds of useless (from
a Kolb aircraft technical standpoint) posts regarding trip planning,
military experience stories, stories of the early ultralight days (have
plenty of these of my own, Thank You), and such. I hasten to add, I am not
saying these posts are wrong for the Kolb List (we do need to learn from
history), just saying I personally can't spend precious time reading them.
My interests run much much wider than time allows, so tradeoffs must be
made. The archives will suit me, as I can target what I am interested in.
A bonus is that I can search and read focused topics from any of Matt's
many excellent databases, as these many different homebuilt aircraft types
have more in common than you might at first think. Another good source
for info is: http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/ There are a couple
good reads out there right now. Check 'em out.
Jim Gerken,
BMW about to fly,
safe flying,
over and out.
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
I use a Sidewinder stick for my simulations as well... and the stick
twisting is very intuitive for yaw control. That's how the Space shuttle
works also. Throttle control as a twist grip is not intuitive ( and I ride
motorcycles!). I am sure you can get used to it and have it be very
comfortable but it is not intuitive. The control should move in the
direction that the plane responds. The overhead stick in the Rally was very
weird. When you pushed the stick forward it twisted on the plane in a nose
up direction. You felt like pushing the stick should be nose up pitch
control. Once you got used to it you were fine but it was not intuitive.
Topher
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Jim/Kolbers,
Just going off my recollections here, but weren't most, if not all, John
Hauck's
mods done with Homer's and Dennis's knowledge and approval?
Seems like it's the nature of us homebuilders to modify. In many cases
it's to
personalize, not to change the basic airframe. When it's more involved, we should
(and
do) consult TNK, HK, DS, and other knowledgeable folks. I believe Hawk's proving
the
strength and reliability of his mods every time he flies. Just MHO.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Gerken" <gerken@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: "To John"
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
>
(Snip)
> That said however, I stand by my recommendation to the newer guys reading
> the Kolb List; Be aware that most of the opinions expressed on the List
> are unproven stuff, and as such are not necessarily "better" or certainly
> needed on your plane. Adding holes and weight without knowing what
> surrounding structure you are affecting would be like creating a new
> unproven design. Your choice, follow the structural plans or test pilot.
> A lot of work went into the kit guys buy and build today as a Kolb (input
> from many of us, I believe, is incorporated), to make the aircraft as safe
> and dependable as possible. More is not better, enough is enough. Add
> fun stuff, personalize, etc, but leave the structure alone, IMHO, unless
> you know more than the people who designed it.
(Snip)
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Oil Thermostat |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
John/All
I purchased one for my WV because I was having trouble getting my oil temps
above 140 degrees in 80 degree weather. I installed one distributed by EMPI
(this is the same unit that is sold by CB) and flew once with it in December
last year. It didn't work as well as I had hoped. I wanted it to bring the
oil temps up to working temps before I took off and it didn't. It also
didn't get the oil temps up to the 175-180 that I hoped for but it helped.
In retrospect it was fairly cold around 30 degrees and my oil cooler is way
too large. In the summer it should work better. The thermostat seems to be
designed to be rather fail safe. When the oil is cold it allows app 50% of
the oil to bypass the oil cooler and returns it to the engine. When the oil
warms the thermostat closes and forces all the oil through the oil cooler.
The working part of the thermostat looks just like one that that would be in
a automotive cooling system. Also there are no mounting holes lugs or
anything on the thermostat, it is a inline unit intended to secured by the
oil lines.
I haven't seen the MOCAL units before. I would like to know more about them.
If they really stop oil from flowing to the cooler when its cold it might
work better for me. But would it be as fail safe?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Engine Oil Thermostat
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Hi All:
>
> Anyone familiar with the engine oil thermostats for VW's or other
> engines.
>
> One of the goodies I discovered at the recent 912 School was approval
> of installing and running an oil thermostat. I found two on the
> internet. They are not that expensive. Looking for any info before I
> hit the send button to order one.
>
> http://www.cbperformance.com/catalog.asp?ProductID=235
>
> The one on the left hand side of the page:
>
> http://www.batinc.net/thermos.htm
>
> Appreciate any input.
>
> Thanks,
>
> john h
>
> PS: I intentionally did not include the do not archive at the end.
> Thought someone might find these url's useful if they were doing a
> search for them in the archives.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Oil Thermostat |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
50% of
| the oil to bypass the oil cooler and returns it to the engine. |
Rick Neilsen
| Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
Rick/All:
I dug out a little info on this thermostat. Supposed to bleed 10% of
the oil through the cooler at all times. It has a 180F rating. When
it reaches 180F it directs all oil through the cooler.
I am going to put this particular system on hold until I can get more
user info on it. Installation own my 912 would mean some oil line
redirecting, probably new directional fittings, etc. Also, something
else to go wrong.
The gaffers tape on the coolant radiator works good. Brings up
cylinder head temps as well as oil temps to their recommended range.
I may stay with the primative, however, reliable system.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Jim Gereken/All:
I'll accept your apology, whether you are sincere or not.
However, let's get the facts/references correct, especially what I
said. I feel you have not accurately represented me in your post, as
usual. Your doctored copy of my response to you is not accurate and
bends the truth to your point of view, again, as usual. I think it
appropriate to post my reply here, verbatim, so we do not have any
misunderstandings:
********************************************************
Jim:
Yes, I have a problem with what you wrote and the way you wrote it.
Everything you said about me was absolutely inaccurate, except the
part about being careful.
You need to get your facts straight before you start talking about
what I do, have done, and why I do what I do, and the results.
Recommend you make a correction to the post you made to the Kolb List
comparing me and my mods with the extremely dangerous comment Richard
Swiderski made about extending the life of ballistic recovery systems.
You were way off base and out of line. You got your jab in at me, but
you were totally wrong and out of place doing it.
About everything I have done to my airplanes has been approved by
Homer Kolb. He wants me to fly the best also.
Some day, if we meet and you have your airplane with you, I would be
glad to show you how much of what you are flying is the result of John
and Jim Hauck. You may be surprised.
Take care,
john h
*********************************************************
This is what Jim Gerken said I said:
>However, I think you made a serious mistake trying to make me look
>bad to the rest of the Kolb List, comparing ballistic recovery
>inspections/repack schedules to what I have done to/with my Kolb
>airplanes
>over the years. Your information and the examples you use are
totally
>incorrect and misrepresented. Your purpose is very obvious to me,
>whether it is to anyone else on this List or not.
**********************************************************
| While the above is NOT the note John sent to me by direct email
yesterday,
| it is a tamed-down version of it. I did answer John's original
direct
| email, but he responded again to my explanation with a demand for me
to
| publish a public apology. Jim Gerken
**********************************************************
I don't see anything in my email to you that needed to be tamed down,
much less changed to reflect your intent.
Rereading my email to you I do not see anywhere in it where I
"demanded" anything of you.
I would like to note again, that my wing mods were used for my
"special purpose" MK III. I have never advertised them. I believe
Paul Petty wanted to show the List pictures of his mods he made to his
wing. Yes, I told him how to make them based on expected flights his
Kolbra will make. My wing mods were made in 1991, based on the rib
mod Old Kolb made even earlier for the Firestar. I do not believe I
have ever advertised them on the List, much less encouraged the List
to follow suit.
Yes, I am tired of all this like everyone else on this List. However,
I am not going to tuck my tail and ignore an individual member that
intentionally misrepresents me with whatever his intentions are.
Also, be careful making all those changes to mount an unproven BMW
powerplant on a previously 582 powered MK III. Yes, that is pretty
radical, and a lot of the new members of the Kolb List may think it is
completely safe to follow suit in what you are doing. After all, it
has not been tested nor has it been proven safe for flight.
I have had my say on this matter.
Take care,
john h
PS: Should anyone care to discuss this further, please give me a call
at 334-567-6280, or better yet, maybe we can meet for a cup of coffee
somewhere.
This is that apology. Sorry I was too busy
| yesterday to crank it out for you John. I regret offending anyone by
my
| original post, and I apologize if anyone feels I misrepresented
their
| viewpoint. I freely admit, as does everyone, I believe, that John
is the
| List's most experienced pilot. I did not intend to demean Him.
|
| That said however, I stand by my recommendation to the newer guys
reading
| the Kolb List; Be aware that most of the opinions expressed on the
List
| are unproven stuff, and as such are not necessarily "better" or
certainly
| needed on your plane. Adding holes and weight without knowing what
| surrounding structure you are affecting would be like creating a new
| unproven design. Your choice, follow the structural plans or test
pilot.
| A lot of work went into the kit guys buy and build today as a Kolb
(input
| from many of us, I believe, is incorporated), to make the aircraft
as safe
| and dependable as possible. More is not better, enough is enough.
Add
| fun stuff, personalize, etc, but leave the structure alone, IMHO,
unless
| you know more than the people who designed it.
|
| On a different but obviously related note,
| I have discovered that the Matronics Archive search suits me better
than
| wading through 30-50 posts each day, so have un-subscribed from
Digest
| mode. I will follow along, when time permits, on subjects such as
| powerplants, safety stuff and such, using archive searches. My
email
| address is available at the top of this post, and it is all over in
the
| archives, for anyone to use for direct contact if so desired. The
| Matronics search tool does work very slick and looks like it will
save me
| time I would otherwise spend reading through the hundreds of useless
(from
| a Kolb aircraft technical standpoint) posts regarding trip planning,
| military experience stories, stories of the early ultralight days
(have
| plenty of these of my own, Thank You), and such. I hasten to add, I
am not
| saying these posts are wrong for the Kolb List (we do need to learn
from
| history), just saying I personally can't spend precious time reading
them.
| My interests run much much wider than time allows, so tradeoffs must
be
| made. The archives will suit me, as I can target what I am
interested in.
| A bonus is that I can search and read focused topics from any of
Matt's
| many excellent databases, as these many different homebuilt aircraft
types
| have more in common than you might at first think. Another good
source
| for info is: http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/ There are a
couple
| good reads out there right now. Check 'em out.
|
| Jim Gerken,
| BMW about to fly,
| safe flying,
| over and out.
| do not archive
|
|
|
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|
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|
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|
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|
|
|
|
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Hi Clay,
I suspect many Warp owners might have the high aspect plan form blades
and CNC aluminum hub and simply do not distinguish from the "standard"
versions. I would see little reason to buy Warp "standard", because
the higher performance seems to be advertised for the high aspect
blades, not so much so for the standard. So, perhaps what's missing
from past discussion is whether the standard models do anything
special.
In earlier discussions here, I feel I've forgotten to mention that I
personally think the "constant speed" description applied to these
props gets overused. For example, when I point the plane up or down
without touching the throttle, the engine rpm changes, perhaps just as
much as my "non constant speed" Powerfin, or at least similar enf that
no difference is noticable. That being said, I also believe the Warp
provides excellent performance, probably among the best available.
-Ben Ransom
447 Firestar KXP
--- Clay Stuart <tcstuart@adelphia.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart"
> <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
>
> Looking through my California Power Systems Catalog (CPS) of 2001 and
> noticed this about the Warp Drive props:
>
> Standard and High Aspect ratio blades. "Warp drive has a series of
> new high
> aspect blade designs. Constant speed performance is achieved with
> fixed
> pitch position blades (still ground adjustable) without using any
> type of
> mechanism. The design itself provides the performance." It says to
> contact
> CPS for more info on the "constant speed design".
>
> The prices are about 20% higher than the standard aspect blade. The
> props
> also have an option of the precision CNC center hub, a machined
> aluminum
> center hub.
>
> I know that there was a discussion recently about the P-tip Prince
> prop and
> the Warp drive, but I don't think this high aspect prop was
> discussed.
>
> Thanks,
> Clay Stuart
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
When people on this list start trying to tell each other what to say, or
that their ideas are dangerous we loose the best part of this list. Flying
is dangerous. Every idea on this list is dangerous. Ultralights and light
planes should be banned they are so dangerous. Screw that. Let people have
their say without attacking them personally. If you think they are wrong
put in your opinion and why with out adding any of these "and you're a dumb
guy nah nah nah nah" crap along with it.
No one enjoys these arguments. No one is trying to make anyone else look
bad. No one knows everything. If somebody puts out a really bad idea
usually ten people weight in and the list is well informed that the average
of the list with all its experience advises against that, usually including
the original poster. How is adding personal insults helpful to that
process? (Hint: if you think of anything but "its not" you are wrong.)
Arguing with people till they give up and leave the list is unbelievable
arrogant. I have been overly opinionated on occasion and I am sorry for
that.
Once again I am dismayed by the capability of humans to behave in such
counterproductive ways.
Topher
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Guy's give it a break, and us
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck [mailto:jhauck@elmore.rr.com]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "To John"
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Jim Gereken/All:
I'll accept your apology, whether you are sincere or not.
However, let's get the facts/references correct, especially what I
said. I feel you have not accurately represented me in your post, as
usual. Your doctored copy of my response to you is not accurate and
bends the truth to your point of view, again, as usual. I think it
appropriate to post my reply here, verbatim, so we do not have any
misunderstandings:
********************************************************
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| Subject: | Re: Strut Flutter |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ZackGSD@aol.com
In a message dated 2/11/2004 8:53:57 PM Central Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
> Subj: Re: Kolb-List: Strut Flutter
> Date: 2/11/2004 8:53:57 PM Central Standard Time
> From: jhauck@elmore.rr.com
> Reply-to: kolb-list@matronics.com
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent from the Internet
>
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> throttle. any
>
> Hi Alan/All:
>
> Sounds like resonance.
>
> Aircraft, fixed and rotary wing, sometimes have certain rpm ranges
> that create resonance. Best not operate in those rpm areas. If it
> was me, I would fly a little above or a little below out of the range
> it occurs.
>
> The Hughes TH-55 primary trainer could get in ground resonance if the
> engine was held in a yellow arc area too long. Result was complete
> destruction of the aircraft. It would get into ground resonance with
> skids on the ground.
>
> Here is a good example of what one type of resonance can do to a
> helicopter:
>
> http://www.fwcvhpa.org/fw/ground.htm
>
> Ground resonance is probably not a good example/comparison of the type
> resonance/vibration you may be experiencing. I'll just hang loose and
> let the experts explain what may be happening and how to prevent it.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
John, this is while at idle on the ground, not in the air. It just started
out of the clear blue sky as they say. Prop and carb are dialed in or at least
they seem to be to several of us. Alan
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Once again I am dismayed by the capability of humans to behave in
such
| counterproductive ways.
|
| Topher
Topher:
Probably have not been a target either.
Circumstances look a little different when you are on the receiving
end.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | parachute repack |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Hi all,
I'm an on-again/off-again lurker by now, and saw the little controversy
embedded somewhere regarding the possible alternative of getting chutes
repacked less expensively than the recommended BRS TBO. Richard, I'm
curious how sure you are that the military test guy is in fact testing
the same rocket that BRS factory uses. I would not at all doubt the
claim that they have a very very very .....very high firing rate.
A related comment, anyone using a chute past the manufacturer's
recommended TBO is *obviously* doing so at their own risk, and I'm not
sure it warrants the description "extremely dangerous". I too have
heard that possible mildew is the biggest risk factor, and that
overall, BRS assumes chutes have been out in the weather when they make
their TBO interval recommendation. I know I am taking some added risk
in using my BRS beyond it's TBO. On the other hand, it has never seen
a drop of rain, and I fly with an assumption of say 96% likelihood it
would fire if I were so unfortunate to need it. This compared to what
I might assume to be 99% likelihood when it was within TBO. Both my
numbers are guesses, probably conservative (toward safety), and again,
just as much my responsibility as any other flying decision I make. I
spose what I'm saying is that I felt 96% was substantially better than
leaving the thing in a box in my garage, and the additional money to
repack, or more likely be "forced" to buy a new model was not worth it
to me. If I continue to fly this plane, I may eventually take the BRS
out entirely, and if I ever want to do light aerobatics (i doubt it),
just get a certified parachute for my own hide.
-Ben Ransom
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
I second the motion.
Dale Sellers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: list usage.
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong"
<tophera@centurytel.net>
>
> When people on this list start trying to tell each other what to say, or
> that their ideas are dangerous we loose the best part of this list.
Flying
> is dangerous. Every idea on this list is dangerous. Ultralights and
light
> planes should be banned they are so dangerous. Screw that. Let people
have
> their say without attacking them personally. If you think they are wrong
> put in your opinion and why with out adding any of these "and you're a
dumb
> guy nah nah nah nah" crap along with it.
>
> No one enjoys these arguments. No one is trying to make anyone else look
> bad. No one knows everything. If somebody puts out a really bad idea
> usually ten people weight in and the list is well informed that the
average
> of the list with all its experience advises against that, usually
including
> the original poster. How is adding personal insults helpful to that
> process? (Hint: if you think of anything but "its not" you are wrong.)
>
> Arguing with people till they give up and leave the list is unbelievable
> arrogant. I have been overly opinionated on occasion and I am sorry for
> that.
>
> Once again I am dismayed by the capability of humans to behave in such
> counterproductive ways.
>
> Topher
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne" <whyme@vci.net>
I left this list some time back as I got tired of being attacked by one
individual when I was only trying to contribute some things that I had
experienced. I feel that I contributed some value to other builders. I also
learned a great deal by reading the posts of other builders. It is a shame
when someone gets the feeling that they are the chosen leader and starts to
put everyone else down. I hope that that has come to an end as I would like
to rejoin this group as a poster and not just a lurker. I know in the few
year that I have been involved with Kolb, I have seen many good and
knowledgeable Kolb builders leave this list due to the the arrogant attitude
of one member. I hope this is taken in the context that I intend. I have
seen several good lists go down the drain when the type of controversy I see
here takes control. I don't want that to happen here.
Ron Payne
-------Original Message-------
From: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: list usage.
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
I second the motion.
Dale Sellers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: list usage.
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong"
<tophera@centurytel.net>
>
> When people on this list start trying to tell each other what to say, or
> that their ideas are dangerous we loose the best part of this list.
Flying
> is dangerous. Every idea on this list is dangerous. Ultralights and
light
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com
WELL SAID
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
I sent a message about the BRS too...
It must be floating in cyber space...
do not archive
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
---
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Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
I agree whole heartly and I think that brother John Hauk needs to either
town down his attacks or leave the list. I, too, have been one of his
victims.
Dale Sellers
Georgia
----- Original Message -----
From: <TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: list usage.
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com
>
> WELL SAID
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com
I am now done building my FSII and am going to build a Bearhawk from
scratch.I am also leaving this list for good.Thanks for all the help and good luck
with your planes and future planes.
Dave Snyder
Built 2001 FSII
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Ron:
Please tell us who you are referring to so we will not have to guess
and make the wrong decision.
Thanks,
john h
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <whyme@vci.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: list usage.
| --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne" <whyme@vci.net>
|
| I left this list some time back as I got tired of being attacked by
one
| individual when I was only trying to contribute some things that I
had
| experienced. I feel that I contributed some value to other builders.
I also
| learned a great deal by reading the posts of other builders. It is a
shame
| when someone gets the feeling that they are the chosen leader and
starts to
| put everyone else down. I hope that that has come to an end as I
would like
| to rejoin this group as a poster and not just a lurker. I know in
the few
| year that I have been involved with Kolb, I have seen many good and
| knowledgeable Kolb builders leave this list due to the the arrogant
attitude
| of one member. I hope this is taken in the context that I intend. I
have
| seen several good lists go down the drain when the type of
controversy I see
| here takes control. I don't want that to happen here.
|
| Ron Payne
|
| -------Original Message-------
|
| From: kolb-list@matronics.com
| Date: 02/12/04 11:31:42 AM
| To: kolb-list@matronics.com
| Subject: Re: Kolb-List: list usage.
|
| --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers"
<dsel1@bellsouth.net>
|
| I second the motion.
|
| Dale Sellers
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
| To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: Kolb-List: list usage.
|
|
| > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong"
| <tophera@centurytel.net>
| >
| > When people on this list start trying to tell each other what to
say, or
| > that their ideas are dangerous we loose the best part of this
list.
| Flying
| > is dangerous. Every idea on this list is dangerous. Ultralights
and
| light
|
|
|
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Hauck" <jimh474@earthlink.net>
Y'all;
I agree this list is like a lot of list on the internet. Members are from all walks
of life, some so "edumacated" that they have constant smart head aches and
those like me that are too dumb to pour Pee from a boot with the directions
stamped on the bottom of the heel. You have members that are forward, naive,
plain blunt and the ones that are always politically correct that talks in circles
and skates the real issues.. ( Aka Klintonistas) So, this list is no different
than the make up of life in general.
Internet lists have little cliques that BC back and forth and then one member finally
get's pumped up enough to snidely slam someone, never using their name,
but with very strong insinuations directed at a particular individual. Also
it seems that "Newbies" to a list always want to shout to the high heavens of
how great they are and when they get their feathers trimmed, they sulk and pout
and want to pick up their toys and run off and hide or snidely get back a someone.
Then there is the ones that lurk about and get their "Jollies" by always
trying to put some one down and in the process, make themselves look big.
I guess that is human nature in it's worst form.
The PC is a wonderful item, it allows research communication, video?audio, but
it doesn't have the ability to reflect a persons feelings, voice reflections and
emotions. as would occur face to face in a normal conversation. The worst thing
about the PC it causes whimps to become total "Joe Billy Bad A- -es". Have
you ever noticed what a person seems to look and act like in real life compared
of the image you had in your mind of what you thought they were from chatting
on the PC? Shocking, isn't it.
This list is going to get a lot of queries from persons just getting started in
aviation and Kolbs. To the old hands, these queries may sound completely stupid,
but the person asking it is very sincere. We all need to think before we advise
someone to do something that we would do, as it may be lethal to the person
asking for advice. It is best to refer them to an expert in that field and/or
the manufacturer, rather than giving a reply of what we think we would do.
There is a huge experience factor on this list from the early days of Experimental,
ultra-light, military and GA aviation. What applies to one may not necessarily
apply to another, then again it may well apply.
I feel that all phases of building and operating a Kolb should be discussed here
not just technical items. If you don't want to read a post, use the Delete key
that Al Gore invented for us.
I get a lot of queries from individuals BC that are just starting out building
a Kolb,as they don't want to be embarrassed by asking a stupid sounding question
on the list and be ridiculed. Yep! This happens.
We all need to take a step back and look at ourselves and see if we aren't guilty
of these things. The list is too good of a list for information for Kolb builders
to screw it up with personalities and inflated egos.
Always look at the end of a comment, you may see a smiley face that indicates a
person is joking. :<) Could save a lot a frustration for all involved.
An example of a post that I felt that shouldn't have been posted as it was advocating
making a safety harness using pop rivets instead of stitching. I don't
have any idea who posted the post as it has been a long time ago and BELIEVE ME
I AM NOT POINTING A FINGER AT ANYONE as I truly have no idea who posted it.
This kind of post to a naive person could well cause them to be injured or killed
as they may accept it as a common and proven method of doing something. These
are the things we need to steer away from.
Jim Hauck
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| Subject: | Re: list usage--What is really going on here? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
Hi Dale S./Ron P./All,
I understand you are upset about something, and you
want to be heard. So let's take a look at the
situation for a moment, shall we?
Looking back through the archives the last year I find
the timing of these repeated attacks interesting:
Several times I have asked the list specific
questions, often because I want to see if I can change
something to suit me (and no one else), and John H.
and others have stepped up to the plate and explained
how they look at it. Then, like clockwork, I see the
same couple of posters chime in and ask John why he is
"telling people what to do", when if you follow the
thread back to the source, there I (and others) am,
asking yet another question to understand something
better. Is the tone or content of my questioning
offensive to anyone? If so, please e-mail me directly
so I can understand how to present myself in a more
constructive way.
So by my reckoning Gentlemen, you should be upset at
me for asking, not John H. for answering.
My thanks to the vast majority of the list members
tired of the personal attacks on this list that have
had to waste time reading this post, but I watch lists
all day at work, and have over and over seen this sort
of turmoil cause a list to be only populated with mean
spirited whiners because the sane have long left town!
I don't want that to happen here.
Going forward, Dale S., and others so mad about this,
I invite you to e-mail me directly @ jspc78@yahoo.com
and that way you can vent your anger on the guy you
are really mad at.
-Jim
Jim Clayton
California
Mark-3X
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf
Of Dale Sellers
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: list usage.
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers"
<dsel1@bellsouth.net>
I agree whole heartly and I think that brother John
Hauk needs to either
town down his attacks or leave the list. I, too, have
been one of his
victims.
Dale Sellers
Georgia
----- Original Message -----
From: <TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: list usage.
> --> Kolb-List message posted by:
TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com
>
> WELL SAID
>
>
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required 4.6, BAYES_00 -4.90)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Well spoken, well taken. I'm in! Lets get back to building and flying....
pp
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hauck" <jimh474@earthlink.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Hauck" <jimh474@earthlink.net>
>
> Y'all;
>
> I agree this list is like a lot of list on the internet. Members are from
all walks of life, some so "edumacated" that they have constant smart head
aches and those like me that are too dumb to pour Pee from a boot with the
directions stamped on the bottom of the heel. You have members that are
forward, naive, plain blunt and the ones that are always politically
correct that talks in circles and skates the real issues.. ( Aka
Klintonistas) So, this list is no different than the make up of life in
general.
>
> Internet lists have little cliques that BC back and forth and then one
member finally get's pumped up enough to snidely slam someone, never using
their name, but with very strong insinuations directed at a particular
individual. Also it seems that "Newbies" to a list always want to shout to
the high heavens of how great they are and when they get their feathers
trimmed, they sulk and pout and want to pick up their toys and run off and
hide or snidely get back a someone. Then there is the ones that lurk about
and get their "Jollies" by always trying to put some one down and in the
process, make themselves look big. I guess that is human nature in it's
worst form.
>
> The PC is a wonderful item, it allows research communication, video?audio,
but it doesn't have the ability to reflect a persons feelings, voice
reflections and emotions. as would occur face to face in a normal
conversation. The worst thing about the PC it causes whimps to become total
"Joe Billy Bad A- -es". Have you ever noticed what a person seems to look
and act like in real life compared of the image you had in your mind of what
you thought they were from chatting on the PC? Shocking, isn't it.
>
> This list is going to get a lot of queries from persons just getting
started in aviation and Kolbs. To the old hands, these queries may sound
completely stupid, but the person asking it is very sincere. We all need to
think before we advise someone to do something that we would do, as it may
be lethal to the person asking for advice. It is best to refer them to an
expert in that field and/or the manufacturer, rather than giving a reply of
what we think we would do.
>
> There is a huge experience factor on this list from the early days of
Experimental, ultra-light, military and GA aviation. What applies to one may
not necessarily apply to another, then again it may well apply.
>
> I feel that all phases of building and operating a Kolb should be
discussed here not just technical items. If you don't want to read a post,
use the Delete key that Al Gore invented for us.
>
> I get a lot of queries from individuals BC that are just starting out
building a Kolb,as they don't want to be embarrassed by asking a stupid
sounding question on the list and be ridiculed. Yep! This happens.
>
> We all need to take a step back and look at ourselves and see if we aren't
guilty of these things. The list is too good of a list for information for
Kolb builders to screw it up with personalities and inflated egos.
>
> Always look at the end of a comment, you may see a smiley face that
indicates a person is joking. :<) Could save a lot a frustration for all
involved.
>
> An example of a post that I felt that shouldn't have been posted as it was
advocating making a safety harness using pop rivets instead of stitching. I
don't have any idea who posted the post as it has been a long time ago and
BELIEVE ME I AM NOT POINTING A FINGER AT ANYONE as I truly have no idea who
posted it. This kind of post to a naive person could well cause them to be
injured or killed as they may accept it as a common and proven method of
doing something. These are the things we need to steer away from.
>
>
> Jim Hauck
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
I disagree with one thing ya said Jim, I think Al invented the internet not
the delete key. :~) DO NOT ARCHIVE
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hauck" <jimh474@earthlink.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Hauck" <jimh474@earthlink.net>
>
> Y'all;
>
> I agree this list is like a lot of list on the internet. Members are from
all walks of life, some so "edumacated" that they have constant smart head
aches and those like me that are too dumb to pour Pee from a boot with the
directions stamped on the bottom of the heel. You have members that are
forward, naive, plain blunt and the ones that are always politically
correct that talks in circles and skates the real issues.. ( Aka
Klintonistas) So, this list is no different than the make up of life in
general.
>
> Internet lists have little cliques that BC back and forth and then one
member finally get's pumped up enough to snidely slam someone, never using
their name, but with very strong insinuations directed at a particular
individual. Also it seems that "Newbies" to a list always want to shout to
the high heavens of how great they are and when they get their feathers
trimmed, they sulk and pout and want to pick up their toys and run off and
hide or snidely get back a someone. Then there is the ones that lurk about
and get their "Jollies" by always trying to put some one down and in the
process, make themselves look big. I guess that is human nature in it's
worst form.
>
> The PC is a wonderful item, it allows research communication, video?audio,
but it doesn't have the ability to reflect a persons feelings, voice
reflections and emotions. as would occur face to face in a normal
conversation. The worst thing about the PC it causes whimps to become total
"Joe Billy Bad A- -es". Have you ever noticed what a person seems to look
and act like in real life compared of the image you had in your mind of what
you thought they were from chatting on the PC? Shocking, isn't it.
>
> This list is going to get a lot of queries from persons just getting
started in aviation and Kolbs. To the old hands, these queries may sound
completely stupid, but the person asking it is very sincere. We all need to
think before we advise someone to do something that we would do, as it may
be lethal to the person asking for advice. It is best to refer them to an
expert in that field and/or the manufacturer, rather than giving a reply of
what we think we would do.
>
> There is a huge experience factor on this list from the early days of
Experimental, ultra-light, military and GA aviation. What applies to one may
not necessarily apply to another, then again it may well apply.
>
> I feel that all phases of building and operating a Kolb should be
discussed here not just technical items. If you don't want to read a post,
use the Delete key that Al Gore invented for us.
>
> I get a lot of queries from individuals BC that are just starting out
building a Kolb,as they don't want to be embarrassed by asking a stupid
sounding question on the list and be ridiculed. Yep! This happens.
>
> We all need to take a step back and look at ourselves and see if we aren't
guilty of these things. The list is too good of a list for information for
Kolb builders to screw it up with personalities and inflated egos.
>
> Always look at the end of a comment, you may see a smiley face that
indicates a person is joking. :<) Could save a lot a frustration for all
involved.
>
> An example of a post that I felt that shouldn't have been posted as it was
advocating making a safety harness using pop rivets instead of stitching. I
don't have any idea who posted the post as it has been a long time ago and
BELIEVE ME I AM NOT POINTING A FINGER AT ANYONE as I truly have no idea who
posted it. This kind of post to a naive person could well cause them to be
injured or killed as they may accept it as a common and proven method of
doing something. These are the things we need to steer away from.
>
>
> Jim Hauck
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
John,
I been in aviation as long as you have and built as many airplanes as you
have. Preaching is for the pulpit on Sunday morning, not this list. You
don't seem to get the message so I will spell it out for ya. (And I don't
have a smile on my face) You don't seem to realize that you are the problem
with this list. I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm tired of your
malicious attacks, hearing about helicopters, the war, the Alaska trips and
how much experience you have and what all you've done. It is my
understanding that this list is for the discussion of Kolb
aircraft.....period! Not trips to monument valley or where ever.
You are so stuck on yourself that you can't think you could possibly be the
cause of the problem.
My delete button will be getting plenty of use if you stay on the list
because I won't let you run me off.
Dale Sellers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hauck" <jimh474@earthlink.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Hauck" <jimh474@earthlink.net>
>
> Y'all;
>
> I agree this list is like a lot of list on the internet. Members are from
all walks of life, some so "edumacated" that they have constant smart head
aches and those like me that are too dumb to pour Pee from a boot with the
directions stamped on the bottom of the heel. You have members that are
forward, naive, plain blunt and the ones that are always politically
correct that talks in circles and skates the real issues.. ( Aka
Klintonistas) So, this list is no different than the make up of life in
general.
>
> Internet lists have little cliques that BC back and forth and then one
member finally get's pumped up enough to snidely slam someone, never using
their name, but with very strong insinuations directed at a particular
individual. Also it seems that "Newbies" to a list always want to shout to
the high heavens of how great they are and when they get their feathers
trimmed, they sulk and pout and want to pick up their toys and run off and
hide or snidely get back a someone. Then there is the ones that lurk about
and get their "Jollies" by always trying to put some one down and in the
process, make themselves look big. I guess that is human nature in it's
worst form.
>
> The PC is a wonderful item, it allows research communication, video?audio,
but it doesn't have the ability to reflect a persons feelings, voice
reflections and emotions. as would occur face to face in a normal
conversation. The worst thing about the PC it causes whimps to become total
"Joe Billy Bad A- -es". Have you ever noticed what a person seems to look
and act like in real life compared of the image you had in your mind of what
you thought they were from chatting on the PC? Shocking, isn't it.
>
> This list is going to get a lot of queries from persons just getting
started in aviation and Kolbs. To the old hands, these queries may sound
completely stupid, but the person asking it is very sincere. We all need to
think before we advise someone to do something that we would do, as it may
be lethal to the person asking for advice. It is best to refer them to an
expert in that field and/or the manufacturer, rather than giving a reply of
what we think we would do.
>
> There is a huge experience factor on this list from the early days of
Experimental, ultra-light, military and GA aviation. What applies to one may
not necessarily apply to another, then again it may well apply.
>
> I feel that all phases of building and operating a Kolb should be
discussed here not just technical items. If you don't want to read a post,
use the Delete key that Al Gore invented for us.
>
> I get a lot of queries from individuals BC that are just starting out
building a Kolb,as they don't want to be embarrassed by asking a stupid
sounding question on the list and be ridiculed. Yep! This happens.
>
> We all need to take a step back and look at ourselves and see if we aren't
guilty of these things. The list is too good of a list for information for
Kolb builders to screw it up with personalities and inflated egos.
>
> Always look at the end of a comment, you may see a smiley face that
indicates a person is joking. :<) Could save a lot a frustration for all
involved.
>
> An example of a post that I felt that shouldn't have been posted as it was
advocating making a safety harness using pop rivets instead of stitching. I
don't have any idea who posted the post as it has been a long time ago and
BELIEVE ME I AM NOT POINTING A FINGER AT ANYONE as I truly have no idea who
posted it. This kind of post to a naive person could well cause them to be
injured or killed as they may accept it as a common and proven method of
doing something. These are the things we need to steer away from.
>
>
> Jim Hauck
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Ok guys, I think I have a good idea for new builders and maybe some that are at
the same stage or maybe even farther ahead than me. So here it goes..
I have had to reorder 5 front nose false ribs to get a good one. And this one is
going to need fixing but at least I can fix it. TNK has been very good at sending
them to me at no charge. However, waiting on the replacements can make your
building time add up.My recommendation is that you not only check everything
in but check the items closely for proper fit and construction.
After the 2 that came with the kit and the 2 replacements and the 1 I'm holding
in my hand now, I can say no 2 are alike.
And the differences in them range from the tubing being either to short or the
angles cut wrong,or the upper arc of the tubing was the wrong wall thickness,
or in the case of this last one the brace that extends aft from the center upper
gusset down to the steel root has the hole drilled 1/2 way into the tubing
and 1/2 not. And it's riveted in that way! I plan to go back and inspect every
factory supplied part for these type of errors.
I'm not blasting the factory because I know how hard quality control can be in
production. And just as I constantly remind my customers to "Inspect" the part
before installing it, I share the same advise with you guys. Just because you
bought it from a factory, does not mean it's perfect or correct. Heck the factory
are humans too. There is a lot of angles and repetition in this process.
It is easy to see where these common mistakes could be made when you have a person
making components that have never installed them. I have some photos available
upon request of what to look for.
Take care, Blue skies!!!!
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Sorry to see you go Dave. good luck and safe flying.
Dale Sellers
----- Original Message -----
From: <TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: list usage.
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: TAILDRAGGER503@aol.com
>
> I am now done building my FSII and am going to build a Bearhawk from
> scratch.I am also leaving this list for good.Thanks for all the help and
good luck
> with your planes and future planes.
>
> Dave Snyder
> Built 2001 FSII
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:27:13 -0500 "Jim Hauck" <jimh474@earthlink.net>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Hauck" <jimh474@earthlink.net>
> I feel that all phases of building and operating a Kolb should be
> discussed here not just technical items. If you don't want to read a
> post, use the Delete key that Al Gore invented for us.
> Jim Hauck
Jim/Gang,
You got it all wrong, Al Gore invented the internet :) Just having fun
with you :)
Getting to the root of the problem if there is one: The internet is a
great communication tool as you have stated, BUT there is one BIG problem
with lists like these in that feelings get hurt easily if something is
taken out of context. This is because we don't know the other person's
intentions when it was written. Unless we have met the author face to
face, we don't know this person and sometimes it's difficult to judge
what they are saying in black and white.
I've been on this list since its early beginnings even before brother
John was on. I can remember when he accused me of being drunk when I made
a post about my flying activities. I was a little taken back at the time,
but I understood what John was saying. He has since apologized for
something he was kidding me about while I took it as a slam against my
flying.
The way I see it, I'm just happy that I'm able to make comments to a
group of guys that fly the kind of plane that is my first love. I've been
flying this little aircraft (air-vehicle) for 17 years. Does this make me
a "better" pilot than any of you? Hardly. Brother John and others have
made trips that most of us can only dream about, me included. I don't
know what it's like to do this and can only imagine. I guess if I were in
his shoes, I would have boasting rights too. But I haven't been there and
may never be there. I can only learn from guys like him and continue to
dream on. I feel fortunate that I am flying a Kolb and am healthy enough
to do this kind of flying. I run into all kinds of wannabies every day
that wish they were in my shoes. Maybe this entitles me to some boasting
rights too :) Well, I don't think so. I'm just doing what I love to do.
Most of you have heard of the aviation hierarchy where astronauts and
military pilots are at the top of the list. Where does that put "us"
guys? You got it ......... low and slow but having the most fun!
When a pilot stops learning about flying, the end is near. Life is too
short to argue about petty things.
Let's go fly instead ......
Ralph Burlingame
Original Firestar
17 years flying it
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| Subject: | parachute repack |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@rocketjet.net>
Hi Ben,
Your question below, is an intriguing one. If the guy was
giving me a story, or if I wasn't listening closely, and you decided to
extend the recommended life of a rocket that was in fact at the end of
its reliability, and you ended up pulling the red handle, then you might
be dead. And instead of saving money, you would have wasted it on the
cheap repack that you never got to use because the rocket would not pull
it out. The decisions & assumptions we make can be paralyzing in their
consequences. The smallest detail can be overlooked, mistaken or
underestimated with enormous consequences. Flying can be deadly to our
health. (I missed death by inches once when a cast iron skillet went
whizzing by my head because I went flying instead of mowing the lawn!)
So Ben, regarding your question, I'm not sure how sure I am as
to whether he was testing the exact same rockets as BRS uses. He at
least implied they were essentially the same. I also asked a BRS guy,
if he knew of any of the rockets failing that they got back for
repacking. (They test fire all of them.) He said no, they all fired. So
my whole hearted recommendation to the List is this: "If you use a
rocket that is 15 years past expiration date in your chute, IT WOULD BE
ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY SAFE to say you will die if you pulled the red
handle while standing in front of the rocket.
Ben, I found your post below refreshing and intelligently
written with a life perspective I relate to. I am not intending to mock
your input. My tongue in cheek response is an attempt to bring some
commonsense and humor back to the List. Safety must be either religious
or political, because it seems to evoke the same responses.
...Richard Swiderski
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Hi all,
I'm an on-again/off-again lurker by now, and saw the little controversy
embedded somewhere regarding the possible alternative of getting chutes
repacked less expensively than the recommended BRS TBO. >>>>>Richard,
I'm curious how sure you are that the military test guy is in fact
testing the same rocket that BRS factory uses.<<<<<<< I would not at all
doubt the claim that they have a very very very .....very high firing
rate.
A related comment, anyone using a chute past the manufacturer's
recommended TBO is *obviously* doing so at their own risk, and I'm not
sure it warrants the description "extremely dangerous". I too have
heard that possible mildew is the biggest risk factor, and that overall,
BRS assumes chutes have been out in the weather when they make their TBO
interval recommendation. I know I am taking some added risk in using my
BRS beyond it's TBO. On the other hand, it has never seen a drop of
rain, and I fly with an assumption of say 96% likelihood it would fire
if I were so unfortunate to need it. This compared to what I might
assume to be 99% likelihood when it was within TBO. Both my numbers are
guesses, probably conservative (toward safety), and again, just as much
my responsibility as any other flying decision I make. I spose what I'm
saying is that I felt 96% was substantially better than leaving the
thing in a box in my garage, and the additional money to repack, or more
likely be "forced" to buy a new model was not worth it to me. If I
continue to fly this plane, I may eventually take the BRS out entirely,
and if I ever want to do light aerobatics (i doubt it), just get a
certified parachute for my own hide. -Ben Ransom
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Hauck" <jimh474@earthlink.net>
Dale:
You on the sauce? Hee Hee! John didn't write that post you replied to.
I got a big grin on my face.
Jim Hauck
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
I have some photos available upon request of what to look for.
Paul would you send me the photos BC tks. DO NOT ARCHIVE
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Cooper" <kcooper@ptd.net>
Hey, I wish someone would come up to PA and kick me in the seat of the pants to
get me started on my SS. I'm hung up on the crooked inboard wing rib tang thiing
still. Any SS builders with some close up wing rib pictures? Does TNK sell
materials such as 0.032 sheeting and maybe an 11" chunk of 3/4X.058? Thanks...Dan
C, shivering in PA.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
as you
| have. Preaching is for the pulpit on Sunday morning, not this list.
You
| don't seem to get the message so I will spell it out for ya. (And I
don't
| have a smile on my face) You don't seem to realize that you are the
problem
| with this list. I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm tired of
your
| malicious attacks, hearing about helicopters, the war, the Alaska
trips and
| how much experience you have and what all you've done. It is my
| understanding that this list is for the discussion of Kolb
| aircraft.....period! Not trips to monument valley or where ever.
| You are so stuck on yourself that you can't think you could possibly
be the
| cause of the problem.
|
| My delete button will be getting plenty of use if you stay on the
list
| because I won't let you run me off.
|
| Dale Sellers
Dale/All:
I left your whole message up there so I could check it out as I reply.
You sure have a way with words, accusations, etc.
Everyone is entitled to interpret what I write the way they want to.
Undoubtedly, you got your special way comprending what I write.
On a List, as large as this one, it is very difficult not to repeat
one's self as time goes on. What I told Ralph Burlingame when I came
on the List 6 years ago has be repeated and he has heard the same old
thing over and over. But the new guys that come on this List every
day have not.
Having done something and talking about it is not boasting. It is a
way to share with new people (Listers) that do not know what the
capabilities of our aircraft are. Building is a small part of this
List. The largest part is people. Real people, just like you and me.
People with feelings. People with experience. People with no
experience. We learn from each other, unless we are so jealous of
others we can not glean any good from it, only hate, disgust, and a
closed mind.
You continuosly accuse me of malicious attacks on you and others.
However, you only make false accusations. You don't back anything up
with facts, only your feelings. Where are these posts that include my
attacks on any one on this List???
You are so busy trying to cut me down, change my ways (as you perceive
them) and "invite me off the List", that you can not see reality in
the least.
If you are going to accuse me, give me some facts, give me some names,
show me some posts to the Kolb List where I have attacked a single
member. If you can't, then shut the F--K UP about it and get a life.
I am sick and tired of your accusations, Ron Payne's, Jack Hart's, Jim
Gerken's, and any other member who happens to not particularly care
for me and the way I present myself to this List.
I know of no appointment by Matt Dralle of a peer judgment committee
to judge the performance of other Kolb Listers. If you have a real
case against me, can back it up, then go to Matt and see what needs to
be done about this guy you dislike.
I could care less whether you like or dislike me. But stop making
accusations that are not true. Try to understand my point of view. I
spend a great deal of time trying to help people not make the same
mistakes I have made with Kolb aircraft. To discover a better way to
do it. Quit trying to tear me down.
I am not trying to run anyone off the Kolb List. Because I may
disagree with a persons comments does not mean I am attacking them.
This is a real world and a serious hobby. Make a mistake, let your
ego get in the way and you will die. I tried it and lost. Gravity
wins every time.
Instead of trying your damnedest to tear me down, why not try and help
me get some good ideas across that might help me prevent someone from
getting hurt. You have been in aviation as long as I have and have
built as many airplanes as I have. Why not share some of that
expertise with the Kolb List and not be so dead set on "inviting me to
leave."
Take a look at yourselves, all you who are bound and determined that
John Hauck is the root of all the problems of the Kolb List. Take a
real deep look, an inventory of what is inside you, before you come
making false judgements of me.
Your attacks on me are not helping this List one iota. Your attacks
on me are tearing this List down. For once, try to think "principals
before personalities". You all can not get "personality" out of your
thoughts long enough to think reality.
Now, if you jump me I am going to jump back. I will not roll over and
play dead. I am a fighter for what I believe in. If I am wrong, I
will readily admit it to God, to myself, and to this List. If you
will think back a little you may remember I readily share the mistakes
I have made for the past 20 years building and flying Kolb aircraft.
If you do not want to share the experiences I have to share with the
List, when you see my name appear, hit the delete key. No one is
obligated to read what I write. Don't worry. I won't attack you. I
never have and I never will, unless you provoke me into it.
Take care, it is time for supper,
john h
PS: Thought I might add this little tid bit in for your information.
A lot of you know I don't do drugs or alcohol. Haven't in more than
22 years now. So when you read something I write, you can take it to
the bank as coming from my heart, and not my dizzy head. I do not
play silly games. Good night.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
For my 2 cents worth -- I sincerely hope John Hauck does NOT leave the list
-- his WIDE experience is valuable, even invaluable, and can or could save
someone's life at some point and is enormously helpful to all who "haven't
been there yet".
Granted, he's outspoken and perhaps should keep quiet more than he does --
but his overall input is a good contribution to solving many of Kolbers'
problems
FWIW
Russ Kinne
Not=yet=Kolber
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| Subject: | Can't We all just get along |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Daniel Walter" <worrybear@paonline.com>
I am mainly a lurker, read almost every word of every post and try to help in any
way I can.
I DON'T want to see anyone leave this list.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Dan Walter
Ultrastar, UL 202
Palmyra PA.
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: new builders |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
Wow, I was halfway through your note before I realized you were talking
about the prefabbed rib option. I didn't order those - I drilled and
riveted up every rib. Afterwards I thought I was an idiot for not getting
the ribs already made, but now I'm feeling pretty virtuous. I still wish
I'd gotten the frame powdercoated, though.
You have a real good attitude, Paul. Lots of things are going to need some
customization and fitting, and plain fixing, before you have an airplane.
The Kolb is a genuine rag and tube airplane, and the kit isn't popped out of
CNC molds to within a millimicron tolerance. Thinking back there were a lot
of things I changed or fixed or replaced as the construction went along.
Taking responsibility for everything that went into the plane made it easier
to deal with variations in the plans or parts from time to time. And for
sure, the folks at TNK took care of everything I ever asked them for.
Duncan McBride
319DM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: new builders
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Ok guys, I think I have a good idea for new builders and maybe some that
are at the same stage or maybe even farther ahead than me. So here it goes..
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Cooper" <kcooper@ptd.net>
>
> Hey, I wish someone would come up to PA and kick me in the seat of the
pants to get me started on my SS. I'm hung up on the crooked inboard wing
rib tang thiing still. Any SS builders with some close up wing rib pictures?
Does TNK sell materials such as 0.032 sheeting and maybe an 11" chunk of
3/4X.058? Thanks...Dan C, shivering in PA.
>
>
Dan,
Where are you at in PA?
I am 40 moles north east of Pittsburgh and probably have the tubing and
sheeting you need sitting in my garage, if not my local metal supplier would
have it.
Let me know where you are at and maybe I can help you figure out your
crooked inboard wing rib tang thing. :-) My Mk-3 plans may show things
clearer.
Sincerely,
Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, Leechburg, PA.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
DELETE!!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | I been in aviation as long as you have and built as many airplanes
> as you
> You
> don't
> problem
> your
> trips and
> be the
> list
>
> Dale/All:
>
> I left your whole message up there so I could check it out as I reply.
> You sure have a way with words, accusations, etc.
>
> Everyone is entitled to interpret what I write the way they want to.
> Undoubtedly, you got your special way comprending what I write.
>
> On a List, as large as this one, it is very difficult not to repeat
> one's self as time goes on. What I told Ralph Burlingame when I came
> on the List 6 years ago has be repeated and he has heard the same old
> thing over and over. But the new guys that come on this List every
> day have not.
>
> Having done something and talking about it is not boasting. It is a
> way to share with new people (Listers) that do not know what the
> capabilities of our aircraft are. Building is a small part of this
> List. The largest part is people. Real people, just like you and me.
> People with feelings. People with experience. People with no
> experience. We learn from each other, unless we are so jealous of
> others we can not glean any good from it, only hate, disgust, and a
> closed mind.
>
> You continuosly accuse me of malicious attacks on you and others.
> However, you only make false accusations. You don't back anything up
> with facts, only your feelings. Where are these posts that include my
> attacks on any one on this List???
>
> You are so busy trying to cut me down, change my ways (as you perceive
> them) and "invite me off the List", that you can not see reality in
> the least.
>
> If you are going to accuse me, give me some facts, give me some names,
> show me some posts to the Kolb List where I have attacked a single
> member. If you can't, then shut the F--K UP about it and get a life.
> I am sick and tired of your accusations, Ron Payne's, Jack Hart's, Jim
> Gerken's, and any other member who happens to not particularly care
> for me and the way I present myself to this List.
>
> I know of no appointment by Matt Dralle of a peer judgment committee
> to judge the performance of other Kolb Listers. If you have a real
> case against me, can back it up, then go to Matt and see what needs to
> be done about this guy you dislike.
>
> I could care less whether you like or dislike me. But stop making
> accusations that are not true. Try to understand my point of view. I
> spend a great deal of time trying to help people not make the same
> mistakes I have made with Kolb aircraft. To discover a better way to
> do it. Quit trying to tear me down.
>
> I am not trying to run anyone off the Kolb List. Because I may
> disagree with a persons comments does not mean I am attacking them.
> This is a real world and a serious hobby. Make a mistake, let your
> ego get in the way and you will die. I tried it and lost. Gravity
> wins every time.
>
> Instead of trying your damnedest to tear me down, why not try and help
> me get some good ideas across that might help me prevent someone from
> getting hurt. You have been in aviation as long as I have and have
> built as many airplanes as I have. Why not share some of that
> expertise with the Kolb List and not be so dead set on "inviting me to
> leave."
>
> Take a look at yourselves, all you who are bound and determined that
> John Hauck is the root of all the problems of the Kolb List. Take a
> real deep look, an inventory of what is inside you, before you come
> making false judgements of me.
>
> Your attacks on me are not helping this List one iota. Your attacks
> on me are tearing this List down. For once, try to think "principals
> before personalities". You all can not get "personality" out of your
> thoughts long enough to think reality.
>
> Now, if you jump me I am going to jump back. I will not roll over and
> play dead. I am a fighter for what I believe in. If I am wrong, I
> will readily admit it to God, to myself, and to this List. If you
> will think back a little you may remember I readily share the mistakes
> I have made for the past 20 years building and flying Kolb aircraft.
>
> If you do not want to share the experiences I have to share with the
> List, when you see my name appear, hit the delete key. No one is
> obligated to read what I write. Don't worry. I won't attack you. I
> never have and I never will, unless you provoke me into it.
>
> Take care, it is time for supper,
>
> john h
>
> PS: Thought I might add this little tid bit in for your information.
> A lot of you know I don't do drugs or alcohol. Haven't in more than
> 22 years now. So when you read something I write, you can take it to
> the bank as coming from my heart, and not my dizzy head. I do not
> play silly games. Good night.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
brother
| John was on. I can remember when he accused me of being drunk when I
made
| a post about my flying activities. I was a little taken back at the
time,
| but I understood what John was saying. He has since apologized for
| something he was kidding me about while I took it as a slam against
my
| flying.
Thanks Ralph:
You have been a good friend and have read my BS for many years.
On top of that, you are a man. That means a lot to me.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Keep trying at wmdherren@hotmail.com . Bill has fairly consistent problems
with his server. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Bill
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Sorry to use the list for this but does anyone know Bill Herren's e-mail
addy? I sent him a reply but it came back.If you get this bill send me you
correct e-mail
>
>
> thanks guys
>
> pp
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
My experience with rivnuts is fairly extensive, and mostly aggravating. If
the threads in either the rivnut or on the bolt are even a little rough, or,
if maybe you tighten them a little too much, or, especially if they rust or
corrode a little, the pressure of trying to turn the bolt will spin the
rivnut..............then just try to get the things back apart. If you can
get at the back side of the things, you can grip the nut and get them
apart - usually - but if it's a blind hole, then holding the nut while
gently drilling with progressively larger, very sharp bits will often get
them out. A uni-bit works particularly well, but it's gotta be very sharp,
& a very light touch is called for. I've expended a fair amount of fairly
creative language and strong emotion on the things, and will no longer use
them. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: rivnuts
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
>
> I just received a few rivnuts from Aircraft Spruce to mess around with.
Any
> advice on using them. I think I will try to use them instead of rivets in
> areas that I might want to disassemble occasionally (rear Lexan windows,
for
> example). I got the converter tool for my rivet gun (about $10). Can you
> use them with the pneumatic rivet gun or limit their use to the hand
> riveter? I only have the 6-32 size, which is about the size of a 1/8"
> rivet. Would you use a lock washer of some sort (star), or Locktite on
the
> screw?
>
> Clay Stuart
>
>
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