Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:54 AM - remarks (Paul Petty)
2. 03:55 AM - Re: Can't We all just get along (flykolb)
3. 04:25 AM - Delete Key (Kirk Smith)
4. 04:25 AM - Re: Kolb List (Duncan McBride)
5. 05:05 AM - Re: Kolb List (Ron or Mary Payne)
6. 05:13 AM - BMW (Paul Petty)
7. 05:56 AM - Re: list usage. (Guy Morgan)
8. 06:01 AM - Re: BMW (bryan green)
9. 06:10 AM - Contemplating Scud (Dave Rains)
10. 06:12 AM - Rotax 377 (bryan green)
11. 06:16 AM - Re: BMW (Paul Petty)
12. 07:14 AM - Hans's BMW in 'Experimenter' (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
13. 07:37 AM - Re: Rotax 377 (Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com)
14. 08:30 AM - Re: Rotax 377 (bryan green)
15. 08:47 AM - Primer port plug check (RPHanks@aol.com)
16. 08:48 AM - BRS that Shoots Downward (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
17. 09:06 AM - John Hauck is da man (William George)
18. 09:38 AM - Re: John Hauck is da man (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
19. 10:13 AM - Re: BMW and Mr. Hauck (Hans vanAlphen)
20. 10:17 AM - electric start (Sandy Hegyi)
21. 10:54 AM - proven (Paul Petty)
22. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: BMW and Mr. Hauck (Dale Sellers)
23. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: BMW and Mr. Hauck (John Hauck)
24. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: BMW and Mr. Hauck (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
25. 11:48 AM - Re: BMW and Mr. Hauck (Jim Clayton)
26. 11:51 AM - Spinning Rivets (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
27. 11:56 AM - Re: proven (ul15rhb@juno.com)
28. 12:16 PM - Re: BRS that Shoots Downward (Ben Ransom)
29. 12:16 PM - Re: electric start (Richard Pike)
30. 12:17 PM - Blanket Apology (John Hauck)
31. 12:22 PM - Re: Spinning Rivets (John Hauck)
32. 12:41 PM - BMW (Paul Petty)
33. 12:54 PM - Re: John Hauck is da man (Ben Ransom)
34. 01:00 PM - Stitching the Fabric (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
35. 01:14 PM - Throttle Position (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
36. 01:55 PM - Re: Rotax 377 (Bruce Harrison)
37. 02:09 PM - Re: BMW (Denny Rowe)
38. 02:16 PM - Re: Clutch System? (Johann)
39. 04:01 PM - Re: Throttle Position (Christopher Armstrong)
40. 04:07 PM - Re: proven (Christopher Armstrong)
41. 04:15 PM - Re: Spinning Rivets (Bob N.)
42. 04:33 PM - Re: rivnuts (Bob N.)
43. 06:22 PM - BMW engine (Paul Petty)
44. 07:06 PM - Re: Stitching the Fabric (Don Gherardini)
45. 07:09 PM - Re: - Test pilots? (Richard Pike)
46. 08:54 PM - Re: Stitching the Fabric (Bob Bean)
47. 09:10 PM - Re: Stitching the Fabric (Richard Pike)
48. 11:54 PM - Re: Finishing the Tail Cone (John Hauck)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
When a pilot stops learning about flying, the end is near. Life is too
short to argue about petty things.
Hey Ralph,
I resemble that remark...:-)
pp
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| Subject: | Re: Can't We all just get along |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
I'm a lurker too. I've gotton some good tips from the list and some not so
good. As the BIC (Builder In Command) I have the final word on which tips to
use and which to ignore, but I enjoy hearing all of them.
I also enjoy the "adventures" and planning for more adventures. I have not
done long cross country flights but reading about them gives me confidence
and hope.
The only thing I don't like is to read the bickering. It degrades both
sides. Maybe the "winter blues" are at work on the list. If you are flying
you don't have time to bicker. :-)
Let's fly, share ideas and adventures, and the joy of breaking the "surly
bonds of earth".
Jim
Mark III
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Walter" <worrybear@paonline.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Can't We all just get along
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Daniel Walter" <worrybear@paonline.com>
>
> I am mainly a lurker, read almost every word of every post and try to help
in any way I can.
> I DON'T want to see anyone leave this list.
> Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
>
> Dan Walter
> Ultrastar, UL 202
> Palmyra PA.
>
> Do Not Archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
For anyone that finds another persons post's objectionable may I suggest going
to the message box on IE and create a rule where when that persons name appears
in the 'from line' to delete it from the server. That way you can remove that
person's posts from your kolblist messages.They will never appear in your mailbox.
Might save a lot of hurt feelings and conflict. Wish I could just select
the mail I want to receive and get rid of all the spam as easily..... Kirk
Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
Oh shut up. You're acting like some twelve year old, playing that stupid,
"I touched you last" game. Everything positive you've ever contributed to
this list is going to be lost in the memory of this latest stupidity. Stop.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
> DELETE!!!!!!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne" <whyme@vci.net>
Well said Dale
-------Original Message-------
From: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
John,
I been in aviation as long as you have and built as many airplanes as you
have. Preaching is for the pulpit on Sunday morning, not this list. You
don't seem to get the message so I will spell it out for ya. (And I don't
have a smile on my face) You don't seem to realize that you are the problem
with this list. I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm tired of your
malicious attacks, hearing about helicopters, the war, the Alaska trips and
how much experience you have and what all you've done. It is my
understanding that this list is for the discussion of Kolb
aircraft.....period! Not trips to monument valley or where ever.
You are so stuck on yourself that you can't think you could possibly be the
cause of the problem.
My delete button will be getting plenty of use if you stay on the list
because I won't let you run me off.
Dale Sellers
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Did any of you see Hans van Alphen's write up in the February issue of Experimenter?
Nice set up! Kolb...making more news!!!
pp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Howdy Yall. I hate to get drawn outta lurker land for this crap, but I gotta step
in and tell a few people to STFU! I've been watching and making a few posts
on the list now for about 6 months. I'm by no means any kind of expert. I just
solo'd (Challenger II) in December and have worked in aviation (military and
civilian) for 12 years. As someone pointed out in another message, it's the same
few people causing all the turmoil. I invite them to leave! I would take John
H's advice any time over these fewinstigators, whether I agreed withtheir
adviceor not, because I respect John and he conducts himself with integrity. I'm
not kissing anyone's a__, I can just recognize a good friend/mentor who truly
cares about aviation and the honorable people on this list. Look in the mirror
a__holes. You are the cancer on this list, not John H. I'm debating whether
to send this, but...oh what the hell, "Damn the torpedos!"
Guy Morgan (wanna-be Kolber) waiting for my hackles and BPto go back down
DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE
| I left this list some time back as I got tired of being attacked by one | individual
when I was only trying to contribute some things that I had | experienced.
I feel that I contributed some value to other builders.
It is a shame | when someone gets the feeling that they are the chosen leader
and starts to | put everyone else down. I hope that that has come to an end as
I would like | to rejoin this group as a poster and not just a lurker. I know
in the few | year that I have been involved with Kolb, I have seen many good
and | knowledgeable Kolb builders leave this list due to the the arrogant attitude
| of one member.
I hope this is taken in the context that I intend. I have | seen several good lists
go down the drain when the type of controversy I see | here takes control.
I don't want that to happen here. | | Ron Payne
"Dale Sellers" I second the motion.
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Get some great ideas here for your sweetheart on Valentine's Day - and beyond.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Yea I saw it Paul nice Kolb is Hans on the list? DO NOT ARCHIVE
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: BMW
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Did any of you see Hans van Alphen's write up in the February issue of
Experimenter? Nice set up! Kolb...making more news!!!
>
> pp
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Contemplating Scud |
X_PRIORITY_HIGH
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
Here I sit, looking out the window at some really nasty conditions, looking
for a hole. Doesn't have to be very big, just large enough to slip through
to Los Angeles. Been reading the posts with some amazement. To those who
"feel" offended by that intrepid Kolb soul, some recommendations/solutions
come to mind. Wrap any excess poly fiber you may have around the thin
areas of your skin, using poly tack. It may or may not help, but should
keep you busy for a while. Looking forward to Monument Valley where I will
teach John how to "role over and play dead"
Definitely not Kolb related,
Don't even own one anymore,
But really enjoy the people.
do not archive
Dave Rains
N8086T
Got to go look out the window,
Scud.......
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
It looks like I am going to be using my 377 for a while longer. I intend to do
some cross country flying this spring and summer ( 100-200 miles probably a leg
for some of you guys). I pulled the heads off because it had a broken head
stud and can see cross hatch marks in cylinders and readings someone wrote on
top of cyl. when rebuilt.
If any of you guys with more experience with this engine ( which is probably
most of ya ) then I could share problems you've had things to look out for and
such it will be appreciated.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
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required 4.6, BAYES_00 -4.90)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Bryan, Not sure but it seams that I remember a BMW guy that used the
"Ultimate Flying Machine" term.
pp
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: BMW
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
>
> Yea I saw it Paul nice Kolb is Hans on the list? DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: BMW
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
> >
> > Did any of you see Hans van Alphen's write up in the February issue of
> Experimenter? Nice set up! Kolb...making more news!!!
> >
> > pp
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Hans's BMW in 'Experimenter' |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Kolb Friends -
I just received my Feb issue of EAA Experimenter magazine, and I was
facinated to read in the Engine Q&A section a very detailed article
submitted by our List's own Hans van Alphen on the details of his BMW
installation in his Mark-III Extra. The article offers many details of
Hans's pioneering work on his R100 engine project (many details of which he
shared with us on the List over the past year), and includes several photos
of his BMW engine on his beautifully finished Extra.
Congratulations, Hans, on a first-rate installation project! You'll likely
get lots of inquiries from interested folks based on your article.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III with the "other" 4-stroke boxer engine in
Cedar Crest, NM
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02/13/2004 09:37:16 AM,
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com
Bryan, I have been flying my Firestar for 120 hours (three years) with a
377 and have been having very good results. I give it a "Sea Foam"
treatment every spring with new spark plugs and run "Klotz oil". The
statement I have used Sea Foam and Klotz oil has been totally beaten to
death in the past. Lately the ugly list dialog has suggested using facts,
so I am. Sea Foam and Klotz works for me!
Problems:
Cracked muffler mount
Cracked muffler
This problem I have never heard anyone on the list mention before, but
everyone with a Bing carburetor should check it. Look for cracks in the
rubber plug used to close the fuel inlet for a primer. A cracked plug
will lean out your mixture and could cause an engine out dead stick
landing.
Isn't this more constructive than bitching at each other.
Dwight Kottke
The Flying Farmer
DO NOT ARCHIVE
"bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Sent by: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
02/13/2004 08:12 AM
Please respond to kolb-list
To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
cc: (bcc: Dwight Kottke/CNTR/HUT/HTI)
Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax 377
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
It looks like I am going to be using my 377 for a while longer. I intend
to do some cross country flying this spring and summer ( 100-200 miles
probably a leg for some of you guys). I pulled the heads off because it
had a broken head stud and can see cross hatch marks in cylinders and
readings someone wrote on top of cyl. when rebuilt.
If any of you guys with more experience with this engine ( which is
probably most of ya ) then I could share problems you've had things to
look out for and such it will be appreciated.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Thanks for your input Dwight.
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 377
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com
>
> Bryan, I have been flying my Firestar for 120 hours (three years) with a
> 377 and have been having very good results. I give it a "Sea Foam"
> treatment every spring with new spark plugs and run "Klotz oil". . Sea
Foam and Klotz works for me!
>
> Problems:
> Cracked muffler mount
> Cracked muffler
> This problem I have never heard anyone on the list mention before, but
> everyone with a Bing carburetor should check it. Look for cracks in the
> rubber plug used to close the fuel inlet for a primer. A cracked plug
> will lean out your mixture and could cause an engine out dead stick
> landing.
>
> .
>
> Dwight Kottke
> The Flying Farmer
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
> Sent by: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> 02/13/2004 08:12 AM
> Please respond to kolb-list
>
>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> cc: (bcc: Dwight Kottke/CNTR/HUT/HTI)
> Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax 377
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
>
> It looks like I am going to be using my 377 for a while longer. I intend
> to do some cross country flying this spring and summer ( 100-200 miles
> probably a leg for some of you guys). I pulled the heads off because it
> had a broken head stud and can see cross hatch marks in cylinders and
> readings someone wrote on top of cyl. when rebuilt.
> If any of you guys with more experience with this engine ( which is
> probably most of ya ) then I could share problems you've had things to
> look out for and such it will be appreciated.
> Bryan Green Elgin SC
> Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
>
>
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| Subject: | Primer port plug check |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: RPHanks@aol.com
snip.....
Look for cracks in the
rubber plug used to close the fuel inlet for a primer. A cracked plug will
lean out your mixture and could cause an engine out dead stick landing.
Dwight Kottke
The Flying Farmer
Good idea Dwight. Your post reminded me I haven't taken a really close look
at those in a while. Thanks.
As to the grumblings on the list of late:
Read the following with a John Wayne accent: "If you fine gentlemen that are
swinging' at each other would kindly take your business outside; We wouldn't
want the other customers to catch a stray punch....." :-)
Do Not Archive
Roger in Oregon
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| Subject: | BRS that Shoots Downward |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Clay Stuart asked: << Hasn't someone mounted the BRS underneath to fire
downward? Any reason not to have this configuration? >>
Clay, and Kolbers -
I mounted my BRS-1050 Softpack inside the cabin, behind the passenger seat
and underneath the fuel tank. It's completely out of the slipstream and out
of the weather & elements. It is designed to fire out the right side of the
aircraft, right thru the fabric. Installation was approved by BRS after I
sent them drawings & photos. Am happy to share details with anyone who is
interested.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, Verner-1400, in
New Mexico
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| Subject: | John Hauck is da man |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
Aloha Gang,
As a Kolb owner/flyer the Kolb list has been of incredible value. I
have a fairly broad background in aviation, about 40 years worth, from
light planes to airline flying. I retired as an airline captain and was
a flight instructor and check airman for my airline. This, of course,
is blah, blah, and who cares. My point is that John Hauck, brother
Pike, Ben Ransome and a myriad of others have provided me with
knowledge, hints and tips that have made my Kolb experience safer and
more pleasurable. I don't know what I would have done without that
valuable info.
Opinions, ideas? Keep 'em coming.
Bill George
Hawaii
Kolb Mk-3 Verner 1400 Powerfin
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| Subject: | John Hauck is da man |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
Kolbers,
I just emailed John H. off the list of my appreciative feelings about him, (trying
to keep the list clean from the crap that's been going on). But this last
post from Bill George hits it on the spot!
There has been a myriad of experienced builders and flyers that have I communicated
to over the past five years on this list, who have contributed to me building
a Kolb a success. Also with the many posts that all have posted on this
list, it has ingrained in my mind the seriousness of this sport, something that
I and my young family very much appreciate when it comes time to start flying.
Appreciate you all,
Tim Gherkins
Firestar II
Phx, AZ
www.milows.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of William George
Subject: Kolb-List: John Hauck is da man
--> Kolb-List message posted by: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
Aloha Gang,
As a Kolb owner/flyer the Kolb list has been of incredible value. I
have a fairly broad background in aviation, about 40 years worth, from
light planes to airline flying. I retired as an airline captain and was
a flight instructor and check airman for my airline. This, of course,
is blah, blah, and who cares. My point is that John Hauck, brother
Pike, Ben Ransome and a myriad of others have provided me with
knowledge, hints and tips that have made my Kolb experience safer and
more pleasurable. I don't know what I would have done without that
valuable info.
Opinions, ideas? Keep 'em coming.
Bill George
Hawaii
Kolb Mk-3 Verner 1400 Powerfin
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: BMW and Mr. Hauck |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hans vanAlphen" <hva@bellsouth.net>
Mr. John Hauck,
Once again you did a huge disservice to the experimental aviation community
by bashing the BMW engine with words like "unproven BMW", "radical", "not
been tested" and "nor proven for flight".
In your jealous attack on a member of the list you also attack the very
fundamental purpose of the experimental aviation community. As "moderator of
this list" you especially should support innovation and experimentation,
failing that, rename the Kolb List to the
"John Hauck's-912-Warp List".
For your information there many BMW's flying all over the world.
Mary Jones , editor of the EAA magazine Experimenter, asked me a couple of
months ago to write a short article about my experience with the BMW
conversion I did and was flying successfully.
The article appeared in this February issue of Experimenter under Engines
Q&A.
The response to the article has been overwhelming, not just from people
interested in the BMW conversion but also of people that are actually flying
a BMW successfully in many different airplanes from tractors to pushers and
trikes.
The BMW is a very viable alternative engine.
Hans van Alphen
Mark III Xtra
BMW R100 - 122 hours
Ivo inflight adjustable prop.
> Time: 09:41:23 AM PST US
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> snip
> Also, be careful making all those changes to mount an unproven BMW
> powerplant on a previously 582 powered MK III. Yes, that is pretty
> radical, and a lot of the new members of the Kolb List may think it is
> completely safe to follow suit in what you are doing. After all, it
> has not been tested nor has it been proven safe for flight.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Sandy Hegyi" <sandyh@dccnet.com>
Does anyone have any instructions on how to fit an electric start on to a
532? Will the starter off a 503 work?
Thanks
Sandy
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Guys n Gals, (assuming Sandy is a Gal):-)
I'm not trying to be a smart a__ here so don't take this wrong. I really want to
know the real answer to this. What would be the requirements to test or say
an engine is "proven". Is there a standard? A set number of hours?
pp
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| Subject: | Re: BMW and Mr. Hauck |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
HERE, HERE!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans vanAlphen" <hva@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: BMW and Mr. Hauck
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hans vanAlphen" <hva@bellsouth.net>
>
> Mr. John Hauck,
> Once again you did a huge disservice to the experimental aviation
community
> by bashing the BMW engine with words like "unproven BMW", "radical", "not
> been tested" and "nor proven for flight".
>
> In your jealous attack on a member of the list you also attack the very
> fundamental purpose of the experimental aviation community. As "moderator
of
> this list" you especially should support innovation and experimentation,
> failing that, rename the Kolb List to the
> "John Hauck's-912-Warp List".
>
> For your information there many BMW's flying all over the world.
> Mary Jones , editor of the EAA magazine Experimenter, asked me a couple of
> months ago to write a short article about my experience with the BMW
> conversion I did and was flying successfully.
> The article appeared in this February issue of Experimenter under Engines
> Q&A.
> The response to the article has been overwhelming, not just from people
> interested in the BMW conversion but also of people that are actually
flying
> a BMW successfully in many different airplanes from tractors to pushers
and
> trikes.
> The BMW is a very viable alternative engine.
>
> Hans van Alphen
> Mark III Xtra
> BMW R100 - 122 hours
> Ivo inflight adjustable prop.
>
> > Time: 09:41:23 AM PST US
> > From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> > snip
> > Also, be careful making all those changes to mount an unproven BMW
> > powerplant on a previously 582 powered MK III. Yes, that is pretty
> > radical, and a lot of the new members of the Kolb List may think it is
> > completely safe to follow suit in what you are doing. After all, it
> > has not been tested nor has it been proven safe for flight.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > john h
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: BMW and Mr. Hauck |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Dear Kolb Listers (all of you):
I guess I need some help here.
How do I categorize this recent post from Hans, and how should I
handle it?
How do you accept this type correspondence from whimps hiding behind
their computers? That includes all the "rat pack", which probably
numbers a half dozen or less.
Someone recently mentioned to me, "When you are on top, there is
always someone who wants to knock you down".
My reply was, "I am not on top. I'm a member of the List on the same
level as every other member."
What kind a person does it take to keep doing this?
What is their goal? What do they expect to gain from it?
Man,........I have a lot of questions and no answers.
OK. First, I want to appologize for including the comment about BMW
engines on that particular post. That was a serious error on my part.
I can see that it placed me on the same level as the "rat pack",
something I certainly did not want to do. My only excuse for making
the statement was in retribution for Jim Gerken's comments about me
filling the ribs full of holesweakeing them, and adding extra weight
without improvement. So be it. That was Old Kolb Aircraft's idea,
not mine. I only followed suit, and only for my airplane 13 years
ago.
However, I still stand by my comment that the BMW engine is not a
proven power plant on MKIII aircraft. Your 122 hours is hardly enough
to claim "proven" system. And again, I have seen no hard evidence of
all the BMW powered Mark IIIs flying. I would also like to see and
fly one of these BMW powered MKIIIs. I think I could give a fair and
unbiased flight report based on my MKIII and 912S and Hans BMW/MKIII.
Hans, when you left the Kolb List in December you blamed me for your
departure. Sorry I did not endorse your project. I had no interest
in it. It is not my duty, as a simple List member, to be interested
in everyone's project, anymore than it is yours to be interested in
what I do. If you were interested in my engine, you probably would
not have spent so much time developing your BMW.
I am going to take your advice and not be so jealous of your BMW in
the future. I might add, I got my copy of Experimenter a few days
ago. The first thing I did was read your article, without prejudice,
even though I knew you left the Kolb List by blaming me personally for
your departure. I feel it was an excellent article. Congratulations.
Now! Because everyone does not endorse what you are doing does not
mean they dislike what you are doing, does not mean they do not want
you to have complete success with your project. Just for a minute,
try to understand that. I have no interests in Ford Diesels because I
have been driving a Dodge Cummins for the last 12 years. Do you
understand what I am trying to say?
I accept you and your project. Why can you not accept mine?
I accept you as a member of this List, even though you "slammed the
door when you left". Why can you not accept me as a member also.
Folks, please get out of your heads that I want to be the "moderator"
"leader" "guru" or whatever else of this List. I have no such desire.
I have had my time in the limelight, done an article or two, had a few
pictures taken, won a few awards, flown a few flights. I have been
there and done that. I have not forgotten how exciting it used to be
to get an article about my airplane in a major publication. It is
very exciting. I must say that a lot of that excitement has now
slipped away. I am not all that interested in publicity any more.
And, I must add, I have not forgotten where I came from on this long
trek through ultralighting and Kolbs, 20 years ago.
So how about it Hans? Live and let live. Quit blaming me for your
problems. You don't have to like me or my project, but it would
probably make you feel better to learn some acceptance of others. It
does me.
Welcome back to the Kolb List, even under these circumstances. I am
sure you have a place here, like anyone else who wants to be a member.
And I guess if you look deeply enough you will find there is no List
Police, Monitor, Moderator, etc. I believe this List is policed by
the membership. That's all of us.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: BMW and Mr. Hauck |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Hans
Please drop it. John was just pulling the guys chain. If you have ever met
the guy you would know he didn't mean to malign the BMW engine. I also
support a non Rotax view and engine. I have flown with John W and John H
that is three different engines and He never once criticized my VW or John
W's Jabaru except maybe to get us going. I have also referred to his Rotax
as a rich boys toy, neither one of us were offended.
We need to return the Kolb list to a builders and fun exchange of ideas.
Please don't add any more fuel to it. If you feel it necessary to comment
further. Take it off the list PLEASE.
This is also off the list.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans vanAlphen" <hva@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: BMW and Mr. Hauck
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hans vanAlphen" <hva@bellsouth.net>
>
> Mr. John Hauck,
> Once again you did a huge disservice to the experimental aviation
community
> by bashing the BMW engine with words like "unproven BMW", "radical", "not
> been tested" and "nor proven for flight".
>
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| Subject: | Re: BMW and Mr. Hauck |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
.................................................
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hans vanAlphen"
Mr. John Hauck,
Once again you did a huge disservice to the
experimental aviation community
by bashing the BMW engine with words like "unproven
BMW", "radical", "not
been tested" and "nor proven for flight".
.............................................
.............................................
Hi Hans/All,
Perhaps you could take a minute and read the entire
post you cut from: It believe you took it out of
context. The way I read it at the time John was
speaking tongue firmly-in-cheek!
I know John can speak for himself, but I thought this
should come from someone besides him.
On the topic of Kolb stuff: Congrats on the article
in Experimenter, I am looking forward to reading it!
Jim Clayton
California
Mark-3X, Building
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
John/Gang
Unfortunately I landed my MK III long on a short runway. The bushes jumped
right out in front of me, couldn't stop them. Anyway, I've got a wing to re-cover
and slight damage. (Lots of damage to the pilot's <?> pride.) Thought
the actual damage is slight, getting to it is the problem - namely, over 432 rivets
to be drilled out just to get the aileron and the flap off of one wing -
then, into the wing. So far I've got about 25 rivets out and 24 of 'em are (were)
spinning.
A big thanks to you John H. for your hacksaw idea on how to stop the spinning.
I went to the archives and looked it up and it works real well. Still a
major PITA but at least it is do-able. I thought I was gonna have to grind them
off, and that thought was about to set me to drinking again. Don't know if
it'll be done by MV, but plan to be there anyway.
Thanks again
AzDave
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:54:04 -0600 "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Guys n Gals, (assuming Sandy is a Gal):-)
> I'm not trying to be a smart a__ here so don't take this wrong. I
> really want to know the real answer to this. What would be the
> requirements to test or say an engine is "proven". Is there a
> standard? A set number of hours?
>
> pp
Paul,
Take it for what it's worth, but I would say any engine is never "proven"
simply because it's a mechanical device. Four strokes seem to be more
reliable than a 2-stroke, but there have been a few 912's that have
failed. Case and point: A friend took off from our strip in a 912 powered
Titan that had well over 50 hours on the engine. It failed 200' in the
air and came down hard and wrecked the plane, but pilot and passenger
walked away. It wasn't the engine's fault. It was a tiny fuel filter that
clogged up. This can happen to any engine 2 or 4 stroke, it doesn't
matter.
I have well over 400 hours on this 447 2-stroke (never been overhauled),
and I *think* that it's reliable, but last October it let me down when I
forgot to clear the engine on a long decent from a 1000'. Most Rotax
2-strokes will want to quit when brought from cruise rpm to idle quickly
if they are not properly adjusted when it gets cold outside. I came down
hard because it took me off guard. I could have totalled the plane and
me, had I not reacted as I was only 40' up and not prepared to land
(horsing around .... after all these years one would think I knew
better).
No John, I wasn't drunk :) ...... and I had to re-learn another lesson.
After that, I'm happy that I still have a plane to fly.
Ralph
Original Firestar
17 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: BRS that Shoots Downward |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
I missed this question from Clay...
My info on BRS mount location may be out of date, but...
When I bought mine, BRS wanted the chutes mounted to fire somewhat aft
and downward, this based on the assumption that the most likely need
for the chute is in a positive G load wing failure. i.e., The wings
failing and folding upward, the chute then having a clear path out and
down-ish. IMO, this could be a little dated reasoning, back to the
early days when many ultralight wings were sometimes made out of God
only knows what.
So, this easily invites the question: Do you think your wings are more
likely to fail in a positive G or a negative G "incident"? I talked
with Dennis about this in 1992-ish. His opinion was something along
the lines that, if you're flying within the design limits of the plane,
the answer is that the most likely situation you could need the chute
is perhaps having an engine failure over terrible terrain, and a top
mounted chute would allow you to glide down to the least worst spot,
pop the chute, and minimize the landing distance and damage. In other
words, Dennis felt no way the wings are going to fail, and I totally
believe him. On the other hand, you are probably buying the BRS in the
first place to allow for something *anyone* someday overlooks, and IMO,
this has got to include the designer as well as me the builder and
pilot. Short story long: Yes, Dennis presents a good reason for
mounting the chute on top, pointing upward. I did mine per BRS
recommendation, because at that time I still felt that I might be doing
one of those self-serving justifications that bite you later if I
mounted it on top. To each his own.
However, I feel I ended up with a better situation anyway, by mounting
mine inside the aft cabin of the Firestar to keep it out of the
weather, and also, to lower the aerodynamic and visual clutter from
outside the plane. In my first version, I had a pregnant bulge in the
fabric, but after the rebuild, I messed around with the BRS clamping
alot, resulting in the chute pointing sideways instead of aft. I
thought this would allow the chute to fit inside with no bulge in the
fabric at all, but in shrinking, the fabric goes concave just a tad,
and I do have a very small bump on each side where the chute ends touch
the fabric. (Fabric is protected from wear by a piece of plastic from
a milk container.)
-Ben Ransom
--- Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM
> <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
> Clay Stuart asked: << Hasn't someone mounted the BRS underneath to
> fire
> downward? Any reason not to have this configuration? >>
>
> Clay, and Kolbers -
>
> I mounted my BRS-1050 Softpack inside the cabin, behind the passenger
> seat
> and underneath the fuel tank. It's completely out of the slipstream
> and out
> of the weather & elements. It is designed to fire out the right side
> of the
> aircraft, right thru the fabric. Installation was approved by BRS
> after I
> sent them drawings & photos. Am happy to share details with anyone
> who is
> interested.
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-III, Verner-1400, in
> New Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: electric start |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Sandy, according to a CPS catalog, the Rotax electric starter fits all the
different Rotax engines, the difference is in an adapter/spacer that fits
between the starter gear and the flywheel.
The 277FA, 377, 447, and 532 all use the same spacer except that the 532 is
only for serial #'s before 3549852. Those all use Rotax part # 852-370,
which is 1" high.
For 532's after serial # 3549852 and 582's w/o the liquid dampener, use
Rotax spacer # 852-374, which is 7/8" high.
For 582's with the liquid dampener, use Rotax adapter #852-378 which is
3/4" high.
Hope this helps.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:17 AM 2/13/04 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Sandy Hegyi" <sandyh@dccnet.com>
>
>Does anyone have any instructions on how to fit an electric start on to a
>532? Will the starter off a 503 work?
>
>Thanks
>
>Sandy
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
To all Kolb List Members:
A short note and a sincere apology to every single member of this List
for me being so short sighted, so selfish, attempting to defend myself
and my reputation on the List. It was a very serious mistake on my
part. I take full responsibility for it. If I had been the majority
of List members not intimately involved, I would have been the first
to voice my opinion to get off the List and do it bc where it belongs.
Anyone having a problem with me personally, please contact me bc or my
telephone: 334-567-6280 or come by hauck's holler, alabama, and have a
cup of coffee with me and let's discuss the problem. If not, please
do not bore the rest of the List with your tripe.
I look forward to you bc comments.
Again, I am truly sorry for my selfish attitude the past few days. I
was so wrapped up in my own problem I failed to realize the full scope
of the situation. I sincerely apologize to those whose time I have so
selfishly wasted.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Spinning Rivets |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Dave/All:
First, stay out of the bushes.
Second, do not forget to use a pulled mandrel to knock the old mandrel
out of the rivet you are drilling.
Third, get yourself a drill doctor drill sharpener ( I just got one
but have not taken time to learn to use it yet) and keep those bits
shrapened, 1/8" bits, that is.
Be patient. Take your time. Kinda wallow the drill slightly until it
cuts off the head of the rivet.
You can do it. I did it three years ago. I had counted all those
rivets, more than yours, cause I had doubled up on hinge length.
Shoulda put on tiny little short hinges if I had know I was going to
have to drill them all out. That or zippers. hehehe
Was thinking about you this morning when I was typing about MV.
Looking forward to seeing you and Eve in May.
Take care,
john h
stop the spinning. | Thanks again
| AzDave
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
I like the BMW. I want one! If any of you have photos of the gear box to adapter
plate or any other things one needs to know please send them.It look at home
on Hans plane. Very clean, simple,air cooled,wet sump. no radiators,oil coolers,
oil reservoir. Kinda like my Harley Idea. Which is canned by the way, at least
for a Kolb.I guess one would have to "fail" the engine in order to prove
it.
A question for Hans or the other BMW guys. Have you torn the gear boxes down yet?
Inspected the mating units for wear? If so what did you find? If not at what
point do you plan to inspect if at all? Convince me and someone may get a deal
on a 912UL!
pp
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| Subject: | Re: John Hauck is da man |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Bill,
Thanks for the plug ...that $20 should be arriving anytime now. :))
I don't have near the experience as many others that contribute to this
list, and I feel I may be fading as these days, most of my time is
starting to go toward my Murphy project.
Here's to keeping the list informative, fun, and supportive.
Cheers,
-Ben
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--- William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: William George
> <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
>
> Aloha Gang,
>
> As a Kolb owner/flyer the Kolb list has been of incredible value. I
> have a fairly broad background in aviation, about 40 years worth,
> from
> light planes to airline flying. I retired as an airline captain and
> was
> a flight instructor and check airman for my airline. This, of course,
>
> is blah, blah, and who cares. My point is that John Hauck, brother
> Pike, Ben Ransome and a myriad of others have provided me with
> knowledge, hints and tips that have made my Kolb experience safer and
>
> more pleasurable. I don't know what I would have done without that
> valuable info.
>
> Opinions, ideas? Keep 'em coming.
>
> Bill George
> Hawaii
> Kolb Mk-3 Verner 1400 Powerfin
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Stitching the Fabric |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
<< dont know of any way to get a good stitch job on a round tube rib...just
aint hardly possible I dont think...and then you would likely be in danger
of a fabric failure...which is just as bad...maybe worse than a rib
failure...or at the best....a funny looking wing with a bunch of dimples in
it..Don Gherardini >>
Don G, -
I hafta disagree with ya, amigo.
I rib stitched the fabric to the wings on my Mark-3, and it turned out
beautifully. No dimples visible after covering with the 2-inch wide
finishing tape along the length of each rib. Done properly, the knots are
pulled down below the fabric level, so all that's visible is a quarter-inch
long bit of lace on top of the rib at 4 inch intervals (the spacing I used).
Dondi Miller sent me narrower rib reinforcing tape to use for rib stitching,
to substitute for what was originally supplied in the covering kit. (1/4"
instead of 1/2" wide) Very smooth finish.
And ... I really enjoyed the process. Rib stitching was one of the more fun
parts of my construction process. After the first couple of ribs, I was
averaging a half-hour per rib. I also like to think that removing stitched
fabric from a wing will be easier than drilling out hundreds of rivits, if
(when) I ever need to replace my wing fabric.
Hopefully, the Old Poop will get his pictures posted soon for all to see
what smooth results can be had from rib stitching.
Dennis Kirby
with a thousand unused alum wide-flange rivets if anyone wants 'em, in
Cedar Crest, NM
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| Subject: | Throttle Position |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
<< With all my time training in the Cessna, how well do you think I will
adapt to having the stick in my right hand and throttle in my left? Seems
sorta backwards to me. >>
Paul P, and other new Kolbers -
As several folks have already suggested, you WILL get used to it, and
quicker than you think!
Your Kolbra's stick & throttle setup is way more logical than the stock
Mark-III, which had both stick AND throttle in the middle, requiring you to
operate the throttle with your left arm crossed over your abdomen. I could
not get used to that, so I welded a tab on the left side of the cage,
allowing me to install my throttle there. Now stick and throttle fall
naturally to each hand.
For me, getting used to heel brakes was awkward, with all my previous flying
experience limited to toe brakes (Cessnas, Pipers, Citabiras, etc). But
like I said, ya get used to it!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, Verner-80hp, Powerfin72
in N.M.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrison" <firestarii@hotmail.com>
do not archive.
We're still flying our Firestar with 377 and it seems to go on forever. This
year we didn't even change the jets. I still go with the Rotax
recommendation to change plugs every 25 hours, though some around here think
it is wasteful. With the 377, at least it is only 2 plugs.
>From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax 377
>Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:12:49 -0500
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
>
>It looks like I am going to be using my 377 for a while longer. I intend to
>do some cross country flying this spring and summer ( 100-200 miles
>probably a leg for some of you guys). I pulled the heads off because it
>had a broken head stud and can see cross hatch marks in cylinders and
>readings someone wrote on top of cyl. when rebuilt.
> If any of you guys with more experience with this engine ( which is
>probably most of ya ) then I could share problems you've had things to look
>out for and such it will be appreciated.
>Bryan Green Elgin SC
>Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
>
>
Plan your next US getaway to one of the super destinations here.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gateList: BMW
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Did any of you see Hans van Alphen's write up in the February issue of
Experimenter? Nice set up! Kolb...making more news!!!
>
> pp
> do not archive
>
>
> Yeah,
The thing looks great, seems like a real nice alternative for our bigger
Kolbs that is very affordable.
Hans is a real friendly fellow, I talked to him a while back on the phone
and he really has enjoyed the Beamer experience.
Later,
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Hello Earl.
I do not know if you had any reply to your question, but I just wanted
to tell you that I helped a friend install a clutch in a C box on his
582 trike.
We removed the E box for the C box so we needed to move the starter in
front of the engine. There wasnt any space for the Rotax starter on the
front of the engine, behind the seat.
The solution was to install the GPL starter which sticks straight out to
the side,and it worked out perfectly.
We tried the pull start before installing the electric starter.
The pull was very light and easy to start. The electric starter also
turned the engine easy and the engine wasnt turning the prop until
around 2400 rpm. Smooth idle. It made me jelous:-) I only have the hand
pull starting on my Kolb.
I do agree that it is a drawback if the battery or starter will go bad.
Then the solution would be to leave the pull starter on.
If I had the money to spend on more toys, I would install the C box with
the clutch. Be careful not to install the 3,00:1 with the three blade
prop. You will get harmonic vibration.
Best wishes,
Johann G.
Iceland.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Earl & Mim
Zimmerman
Subject: Kolb-List: Clutch System?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman
<emzi@supernet.com>
Hey Guys,
Has anyone had any experience with the clutch system for the 582 C
gearbox? I'm looking for a way to reduce or eliminate most of the
vibration at idle without having to raise the idle speed too high.
Anyone had a clutch slip or fail? The only drawback that I see is if
your starter would fail you would not have the ability to prop. start as
a backup. Which brings to mind another question. Has anyone had a clutch
installed on an engine without electric start? I know that it is very
hard to pull the engine over without the prop installed, and assume it
would be the same with the clutch system. -- Earl
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| Subject: | Throttle Position |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
With all my time training in the Cessna, how well do you think I will
adapt to having the stick in my right hand and throttle in my left? Seems
sorta backwards to me. >>
You might want to use a simulator to get used to the Idea. Most computer
joysticks that are designed for flight simulation have the stick for the
right (or both) hands with a throttle mounted on the base for the left ( or
both) hands. Fire up your relatively cheap flight simulator of choice and
fly a bunch of crosswind landings or what ever. Next time you get in that
Cessna you will think "who's stupid idea was this steering wheel thing...
and flying left handed, duh"
Topher
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
The way it is proven to any number of hours is to get a statistically
significant sample of them flying for that given number of hours without any
significant problems. If there are 50 or more flying that have gotten to
500 hours without significant problems then I would rate it is a 500 hour
tbo and counting engine. Unfortunately I doubt that there are that many out
there and there are probably as many different setups as there are flying
planes so no two are the same. Still you can say that the engine itself is
rated to that level even if the redrives and other mods are not. I don't
know of anyone collecting the data so we may never know.
Topher
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Petty
Subject: Kolb-List: proven
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Guys n Gals, (assuming Sandy is a Gal):-)
I'm not trying to be a smart a__ here so don't take this wrong. I really
want to know the real answer to this. What would be the requirements to test
or say an engine is "proven". Is there a standard? A set number of hours?
pp
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| Subject: | Re: Spinning Rivets |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Although I haven't (sooo faar) had to drill out any of the big-headed
fabric rivets, I have drilled out at least a coupla thousand 3s, 4s, and
5s solid rivets. John H's clever v-shaped hacksaw rivet holder is good.
And there's a trick to drilling solid rivets: after you get a teeny way
into the head, going straight in (not wallowing) you can stop the drill,
or almost stop it, and give a slight off-center movement (rocking) of
the bit. If it's at the right depth into the head, the cocking of the
bit will neatly crack off the head without going clear through the
rivet--and maybe making the hole in the sheets bigger, or at least egg shaped.
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
While rivnuts are OK in many places, I favor anchor nuts--even though
you have to "anchor" the nut thing-y, either with 3/32 rivets, or
machine screws. They will work on composite materials where the rivnut
will spin after a couple of tightenings. Aircraft Spruce has a page on them.
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Fellow Kolbers,
I must confess, I posted an interest in the BMW engine and was out of line to say
I might sell my 912UL. Sorry... I am impressed with this BMW set up. And might
build a R100 and fly one some day. But for now I'm sticking to my plans for
the Rotax 912. I attended the Rotax level one school and received a good education
of what an aircraft engine has to go through before a company can offer
an engine and sell it as an aircraft engine. I have no doubt the BMW is a good
reliable power plant however, There are many that have stuck their necks out
on the line here. Rotax aircraft engines are both FAA certified and have the
UL versions. The only differences between the two are the recorded serial numbers
of certain parts. In the spirit of experimental aviation I say explore all
engine options, however if one wants to build a stock Kolb aircraft, Install
the recommended power plants, follow the recommended engines for these airplanes.
Otherwise you are a test pilot. I for one do not care to be a test pilot.
Heck I have not yet completed my PPL training! I am in no position to offer advise.
Just my opinion.Heck I'm tha guy that wants to fly a Harley remember? The
more I get into this, the more I learn. It is the spirit of the Wright bros.that
started this whole thing right?.......
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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| Subject: | Re: Stitching the Fabric |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Dennis...
Thanks pard....You and Brother Pike and John H have got me convinced..other
than a few minor repairs....I have not done any serious rib stiching since
re-covering a air-knocker back in the 70's with grade-A...But I am going to
do it on this rear cage cover-up deal...If I can remember how.
Expand on this for me... Did you use the 1/4 inch reinforcing tape so you
could get the stiching string on the sides of it?...in other words dont run
the needle thru the re-inforcing tape but adjacent to it? The last time I
did this on that airknocker I dont think I put the needle thru the
tape...but I cant remember for sure...it was a flat rib...jeez...A fella
forgets how much you can forget!
And John H....I have made a alum "ducktail" for the rear of my cage..one
formed rib on the top and bottom (like caps) and one in the center.I have
welded some small tabs to attach it to...trying now to decide if I should
put it on and cover over it....or cover the cage first and then install the
"ducktail" . It may not matter here...but what are you guys thoughts about
this..I cant seem to forsee any great difference here...but then..I have not
done it yet!
About all I can think of is if the need arises to take it off some
day...covering over it would make that harder.
The reasoning for covering over the ducktail is so the Poly-Tone would stick
better than to just the bare alum...and match better than a different paint
on the alum...
...Am I missing anything else I should weigh ?
I have been gone for a few days at service shools...and have an awful lot of
emails I have just spent a long time going thru...man..no one can say this
is not an active list! Forgive me if I avoid any of the previous few days
posts....
I may or may not take any one of you turds thoughts and use em...but I sure
would like to hear it anyhow! And any thoughts you might like to offer up in
expansion of this subject!....just for discussions sake of course!
Like my ol granny used to say..."You dont know what I dont know...so just
tell me everything...I will decide if I knew it or not!"
Thx men
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: - Test pilots? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
In spite of our best efforts, even if we build a stock Kolb aircraft,
even if we install the recommended power plants,
no matter how well we follow the factory's instructions,
we are still test pilots.
It's just that the road is better traveled, hopefully with fewer potholes.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 08:32 PM 2/13/04 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
<snip>
> In the spirit of experimental aviation I say explore all engine options,
> however if one wants to build a stock Kolb aircraft, Install the
> recommended power plants, follow the recommended engines for these
> airplanes. Otherwise you are a test pilot. I for one do not care to be a
> test pilot.
><snip>
>Paul Petty
>Building Ms. Dixie
>Kolbra/912UL/Warp
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stitching the Fabric |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Don, I designed an attach method for a double-concave V-section
back there....only in my brain, nothing on paper. It would clamp
onto the vertical tubes with a T , squoze together on threaded rod.
The self locking nuts would be tightened from inside the cage.
Definitely a job for later. -BB do not archive
Don Gherardini wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
>Dennis...
>
>Thanks pard....You and Brother Pike and John H have got me convinced..other
>than a few minor repairs....I have not done any serious rib stiching since
>re-covering a air-knocker back in the 70's with grade-A...But I am going to
>do it on this rear cage cover-up deal...If I can remember how.
>
>Expand on this for me... Did you use the 1/4 inch reinforcing tape so you
>could get the stiching string on the sides of it?...in other words dont run
>the needle thru the re-inforcing tape but adjacent to it? The last time I
>did this on that airknocker I dont think I put the needle thru the
>tape...but I cant remember for sure...it was a flat rib...jeez...A fella
>forgets how much you can forget!
>
>And John H....I have made a alum "ducktail" for the rear of my cage..one
>formed rib on the top and bottom (like caps) and one in the center.I have
>welded some small tabs to attach it to...trying now to decide if I should
>put it on and cover over it....or cover the cage first and then install the
>"ducktail" . It may not matter here...but what are you guys thoughts about
>this..I cant seem to forsee any great difference here...but then..I have not
>done it yet!
> About all I can think of is if the need arises to take it off some
>day...covering over it would make that harder.
>The reasoning for covering over the ducktail is so the Poly-Tone would stick
>better than to just the bare alum...and match better than a different paint
>on the alum...
>....Am I missing anything else I should weigh ?
>
>I have been gone for a few days at service shools...and have an awful lot of
>emails I have just spent a long time going thru...man..no one can say this
>is not an active list! Forgive me if I avoid any of the previous few days
>posts....
>
>I may or may not take any one of you turds thoughts and use em...but I sure
>would like to hear it anyhow! And any thoughts you might like to offer up in
>expansion of this subject!....just for discussions sake of course!
>Like my ol granny used to say..."You dont know what I dont know...so just
>tell me everything...I will decide if I knew it or not!"
>
>Thx men
>
>Don Gherardini
>FireFly 098
>http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stitching the Fabric |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
I'm gonna poke the responses in at what appears to be the right places -
At 09:12 PM 2/13/04 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
>Dennis...
>
>Thanks pard....You and Brother Pike and John H have got me convinced..other
>than a few minor repairs....I have not done any serious rib stiching since
>re-covering a air-knocker back in the 70's with grade-A...But I am going to
>do it on this rear cage cover-up deal...If I can remember how.
>
>Expand on this for me... Did you use the 1/4 inch reinforcing tape so you
>could get the stiching string on the sides of it?...in other words dont run
>the needle thru the re-inforcing tape but adjacent to it? The last time I
>did this on that airknocker I dont think I put the needle thru the
>tape...but I cant remember for sure...it was a flat rib...jeez...A fella
>forgets how much you can forget!
You want the needle to go around the outside edge of the reinforcing tape.
I used 1/4" reinforcing tape anywhere there was a small OD tube under it,
so that the fabric would not be pulled in around the tube and make a dimple
or a weak spot where ever the stitching was tied.
>And John H....I have made a alum "ducktail" for the rear of my cage..one
>formed rib on the top and bottom (like caps) and one in the center.I have
>welded some small tabs to attach it to...trying now to decide if I should
>put it on and cover over it....or cover the cage first and then install the
>"ducktail" . It may not matter here...but what are you guys thoughts about
>this..I cant seem to forsee any great difference here...but then..I have not
>done it yet!
> About all I can think of is if the need arises to take it off some
>day...covering over it would make that harder.
>The reasoning for covering over the ducktail is so the Poly-Tone would stick
>better than to just the bare alum...and match better than a different paint
>on the alum...
>...Am I missing anything else I should weigh ?
Why not cover your ducktail separately with fabric, and then
screw it on later? Only a little more work, but then you can use Poly-Tone
on everything. I fabric covered my boom tube just so I could use all the
same paint.
(And it also works out to run your tail nav light wires under the fabric,
that way
nobody ever sees them, and they are protected. Mine are at the 7:30 o'clock
position
relative to the boom tube. That way they are out of sight, and also don't
get cut
if I drag the boom across something)
>Don Gherardini
>FireFly 098
>http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Finishing the Tail Cone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
cage..one
| formed rib on the top and bottom (like caps) and one in the center.I
have
| welded some small tabs to attach it to...trying now to decide if I
should
| put it on and cover over it....or cover the cage first and then
install the
| "ducktail" .
| Don Gherardini
Don/Gang:
Personally, I prefer to cover first, then mount the sheet metal. You
can get some tiny neoprene "C" channel to stick on the edges of the
sheet metal to give it a nice clean, finished look.
As for painting the sheet metal. Phosphoric acid etch, alodine,
primer, coat or two of white, then the color coat. If you ust that
coat of white on both fabric and sheet metal, Jim and Dondi should
have some enamel to paint that sheet metal to come out looking pretty
close.
I have also discovered that matching paint from one part to another
perfectly is not necessary to get good results. Usually, close is
good enough, once the aircraft gets outside in the sunshine.
john h
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