Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:38 AM - Re: - Test pilots? (Paul Petty)
2. 04:15 AM - Ducktail and tank (bryan green)
3. 06:11 AM - spades (Jimmy and Jo Ann Hill)
4. 06:58 AM - Re: Stitching the Fabric (Don Gherardini)
5. 07:22 AM - Re: spades (Thom Riddle)
6. 07:33 AM - Re: - Test pilots? (Jack & Louise Hart)
7. 07:58 AM - Re: spades (Christopher Armstrong)
8. 08:14 AM - vibration (ZackGSD@aol.com)
9. 08:18 AM - Re: spades (jerb)
10. 08:58 AM - Flight Simulator 2004 (Bill Vincent)
11. 11:01 AM - gross weight etc (Clay Stuart)
12. 11:15 AM - TEST (Mike Pierzina)
13. 11:33 AM - Re: Riv-nuts (Larry Bourne)
14. 11:37 AM - [ Terry Davis ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
15. 11:45 AM - Re: Apology Accepted (Hans vanAlphen)
16. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: Apology Accepted (John Hauck)
17. 01:37 PM - spades` (Paul Petty)
18. 01:59 PM - Re: spades` (Duncan McBride)
19. 02:00 PM - Re: spades` (John Hauck)
20. 03:45 PM - Re: spades (Richard Pike)
21. 03:56 PM - Re: TEST (Richard Harris)
22. 03:58 PM - Re: Re: Riv-nuts (Richard Harris)
23. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: Riv-nuts (Larry Bourne)
24. 05:16 PM - Re: BRS that Shoots Downward (GeoR38@aol.com)
25. 05:47 PM - Re: BRS that Shoots Downward (bryan green)
26. 05:53 PM - Re: Flight Simulator 2004 (GeoR38@aol.com)
27. 06:13 PM - Re: spades (Jimmy and Jo Ann Hill)
28. 06:31 PM - Kolb Downspout (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
29. 06:35 PM - BRS (Mike Pierzina)
30. 06:41 PM - Re: spades (Bob Bean)
31. 07:13 PM - BRS (Mike Pierzina)
32. 08:25 PM - Re: Stitching the Fabric (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
33. 08:29 PM - Re: Kolb Downspout (Larry Bourne)
34. 08:51 PM - Re: Gascolator (Richard Pike)
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| Subject: | Re: - Test pilots? |
required 4.6, BAYES_00 -4.90)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
So true, brother Richard, So true....
pp
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: - Test pilots?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> In spite of our best efforts, even if we build a stock Kolb aircraft,
> even if we install the recommended power plants,
> no matter how well we follow the factory's instructions,
> we are still test pilots.
> It's just that the road is better traveled, hopefully with fewer potholes.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> At 08:32 PM 2/13/04 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
> <snip>
> > In the spirit of experimental aviation I say explore all engine
options,
> > however if one wants to build a stock Kolb aircraft, Install the
> > recommended power plants, follow the recommended engines for these
> > airplanes. Otherwise you are a test pilot. I for one do not care to be a
> > test pilot.
> ><snip>
> >Paul Petty
> >Building Ms. Dixie
> >Kolbra/912UL/Warp
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Ducktail and tank |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
I have made a alum "ducktail" for the rear of my cage..one
formed rib on the top and bottom (like caps) and one in the center.I have
welded some small tabs to attach it to...trying now to decide if I should
put it on and cover over it....or cover the cage first and then install the
"ducktail" .
I must have missed somtin here Don ya want to expand on this ducktail thingy
for me. On my tank I decided to make a pan like the old one turn the tank sideways
and put it up top so the bottom could be used for storage. I'll send a
pic BC later.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy and Jo Ann Hill" <hillstw@jhill.biz>
Hello:
As an oldtimer in aviation, but newby to Kolbs, I need information on the advisibility
of aileron spades on Kolbs. I like the light control forces they provide.
Am wondering what actual experience and knowledge is out there concerning
the safety and effectiveness of spades.?? (as related to Kolbs)
Thanks.
Jimmy
FirestarII
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| Subject: | Re: Stitching the Fabric |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
R. Pike. and Gang!
OH MAN......of course!!!!
snip<<<Why not cover your ducktail separately with fabric, and
then>>snip....
Duuhhh...aint it something how a fella can get to thinking to hard on
something and miss the obvious!!!!
Thx brother Pike....This is just what I will do....
BB....
snip<<<clamp onto the vertical tubes with a T , squoze together on threaded
rod.
The self locking nuts would be tightened from inside the cage.>>>snip
Yea!!....that will work.....maybe with nutplates riveted in to the ducktail
faring on the inside the faring "t".....backed up with a small strip of .040
4130,,.for durability...now ya got me brain on a good track pard!
JH...
<<<snip..You can get some tiny neoprene "C" channel to stick on the edges of
the
sheet metal to give it a nice clean, finished look.>>>>snip
I have saved back a pic of Miss p'fer...and plan to do it just like
that..already have it on my new wing gap seal...works good there too!
thx John
Yessireee.....thru all the distractions....this list still functions like it
oughtta.....sharing ideas...thoughts and techniques.
It is kind of like reading a aviation magazine and getting ideas from
them...except interactive...if you dont quite understand the article...you
get to ask questions! This internet medium can raise the quality of any
homebuilders project and likely the entire homebuilt fleet of aircraft in
the world. It is accellerating the evolution of our aircraft to a pace that
prior would have taken many , many years to achive.
One thing is funny tho...in a magazine..when ya see an article you are not
interested in..or dissagree with ..you generally just turn the page....That
is just what I do here...I wonder why everybody cant seem to do that.
Thx men.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
I don't know how much your Firestar II flies like the early FS but if it is anything
like the early FS no spades are required. All controls are very nice, light
and responsive. I did not really know how nice until I flew a Challenger about
a week ago....the ailerons on that bird were heavier than any GA airplane
I've flown!
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: - Test pilots? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: - Test pilots?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> In spite of our best efforts, even if we build a stock Kolb aircraft,
> even if we install the recommended power plants,
> no matter how well we follow the factory's instructions,
> we are still test pilots.
> It's just that the road is better traveled, hopefully with fewer potholes.
>
Richard,
I agree. For me, part of the excitement is trying to get the FireFly to
perform just a bit better than it did before. It has been a just about two
years since I put the Victor 1+ on the Firefly. I have been pleased with
the reduced fuel flow rate but not with the cruise speed. Since I have been
lowering and off setting the thrust line to get better yaw and pitch trim,
good things have been happening. With improved trim, it is slipping through
the air at a little faster rate. But cutting the prop and pushing up the
pitch has made a tremendous difference. As of a couple of days ago, the
FireFly is flying faster with the Victor 1+ than the Rotax 447. Part of this
could be due to drag reduction but I am happy to see this because I have
been worried that maybe Simonini had over rated their engine, but now I
believe that is not the case.
Because of advice posted to this list that a longer propeller is better, I
have been attempting to run as long a propeller as possible. I have not had
much luck. For the pitch I had to set them to load the engine properly, I
calculated the forward tip speeds and discovered that they were not much
faster than the plane was going. Then I realized that if the plane is going
50 mph and the forward tip speed calculates out to 55 mph the change in
momentum is influenced by a five mile per hour difference. That long prop
soaks up a lot of torque just to spin it at speed and you are getting very
little thrust out of it at 50 mph. As I see it, due to the aircraft passing
through the air, the effective pitch to produce thrust is greatly
reduced.
By cutting the prop, one reduces the propeller drag component and torque
requirement. This lets you increase propeller pitch to get a higher
momentum difference across the propeller at speed and this lets the plane
fly faster. Some one told me that every plane, engine, and propeller
combination has its own sweet spot, and I believe I have come close to it.
If I had to do it over again, I would start with a two blade IVO (weight
restriction) and pitch it to optimum engine performance and fly it and
record the prop size, prop pitch, and max air speed. Then I would cut an
inch off the prop and repeat the process and record the same data. Then I
would subtract the previous max airspeed from the latest to see what the
difference is. Then repeat the process until difference becomes quite
small. I believe this should give a good cruise propeller.
Enough ramblings, it looks like it is going to be warm enough to fly today.
I have over pitched the 56 inch propeller and so I need to take some out
and fly to see what happens. Another test flight.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
I have thought that they might be a good idea my modified Kolb due to the
oversized Flaperons. I certainly won't put them on unless I absolutely need
them. There has been some previous discussion on the subject. Check the
Archives. I have considered mounting them on the aileron balance weight
arm, but trying to deal with the wing tip vortex out there would complicate
things. If I mounted the balance weight sticking at about 30 degrees
downward instead of aligned with the wing I might get low enough that I
could get clean air... If I feel like my ailerons are heavy I will first try
the reduced moment arm trick by moving the pushrods inboard on the belcrank.
Then I will try spades if they are not giving me the response I want.
Mounting spades in the typical mid aileron span location would certainly
work, just remember if you try this you are going to have to do a full
flutter flight test on each configuration you try and slowly clear the
entire flight envelope. Spades are tricky powerful little bits!
Topher
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy and Jo Ann
Hill
Subject: Kolb-List: spades
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy and Jo Ann Hill" <hillstw@jhill.biz>
Hello:
As an oldtimer in aviation, but newby to Kolbs, I need information on the
advisibility of aileron spades on Kolbs. I like the light control forces
they provide. Am wondering what actual experience and knowledge is out
there concerning the safety and effectiveness of spades.?? (as related to
Kolbs)
Thanks.
Jimmy
FirestarII
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ZackGSD@aol.com
gentlemen....i own a 1995 firestar w a 503 sc. it has the streamlined wing
struts installed and it appears mine is the model (just bought 1 month ago)
where the tubing (strut) goes all the way through. maybe they all do but i am new
to this. recenlty, there is a vibration/rattle where the tube is vibrating
inside and against the speed strut cover and making a noise at idle. once you
give it gas even slightly, it quits. it did not do this when i first
purchased the plane. the local kolb guys have adjusted the carb and the prop appears
to be right on the mark. any ideas or help would be appreceiated.
alan
kolb firestar
n. richland hills, tx
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Jimmy,
Do a search on the archives for this subject. There has been some good
discussion on this topic in the past. If you not familiar with the
searching the archives, not the links that are appended to the bottom of
each message. Click on the one for searching and just follow the simple
instructions.
jerb
At 08:14 AM 2/14/04 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy and Jo Ann Hill" <hillstw@jhill.biz>
>
>Hello:
>As an oldtimer in aviation, but newby to Kolbs, I need information on the
>advisibility of aileron spades on Kolbs. I like the light control forces
>they provide. Am wondering what actual experience and knowledge is out
>there concerning the safety and effectiveness of spades.?? (as related to
>Kolbs)
>
>Thanks.
>
>Jimmy
>FirestarII
>
>
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| Subject: | Flight Simulator 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi Kolb Builders and Flyers:
For Christmas I received the Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004, just been
too busy to download it until now.
Anyone have any recommendation on what is the best Joystick to use with
this program ?
Thank you,
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Cold ... Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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| Subject: | gross weight etc |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Will the BRS1050 handle the heaviest of the the MarkIII/Xtras? I have a
feeling mine is going to be on the heavy side. I don't want to plan on the
softpack and then need the 1200 which doesn't come in the softpack version.
I would think that I would be in big trouble if I were to exceed 1000 pounds
anyway. What is the max weight John Hauck has flown with?
Another unrelated question: has anyone made the 1/2 wheel fairings that fit
just behind the tire and do not cover the tire? As I believe Boyd just
mentioned recently, it is more how you close the airstream than disrupt it.
On rivnuts, seems like installing them in tubing would keep them from
spinning if they are pulled tight and deformed to the inner wall of the
tube. They come in keyed versions for flat surfaces.
Finally, I wish everyone would lighten up and quit feuding. I don't want
this list damaged and diminish its value. I heard from another list that I
am on from another lister on another board about the nasty comments and
fights that went on about "growing-the-largest-pumpkins". If they can't
agree about vegetables, is it no wonder we have our spats.
Clay Stuart
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
TEST RUN because my "Posts" haven't been goin thru...
( John, Your my Hero! )
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
do not archive
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Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I never thought about putting them in tubing, but it sounds like it might
work better than in flat stock. Then, if it started to turn, you could just
squeeze the tubing a little. My experience with them has been in
commercial restaurant equipment, and believe me, they're a major PIA. Seems
like sooner or later they'll bind a bit, and at that point you'd best be
very careful, or you'll have a spinner. I've tried putting washers and a
bolt in them to try and squeeze them back tight, and even - using an
improvised bucking bar - tried tapping them to kinda rivet 'em tighter, and
that was a major mistake. I guess if you kept them lightly lubricated with
anti-sieze, and run a tap thru them if you felt a binding..............???
Someone else mentioned using the anchor nuts like the AN366F or similar, and
those are what I put on Vamoose to hold the nose cone all those years ago.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: gross weight etc
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
>it.
>
> On rivnuts, seems like installing them in tubing would keep them from
> spinning if they are pulled tight and deformed to the inner wall of the
> tube. They come in keyed versions for flat surfaces.
>
> Clay Stuart
>
>
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| Subject: | [ Terry Davis ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Apology Accepted |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hans vanAlphen" <hva@bellsouth.net>
To John Hauck and All,
John, I accept your apology and hope you accept mine for blowing my stack.
I do not seek endorsement from anyone, just respect and fairness.
I think it is important that we all support innovation and experimentation,
not blindly accepting everything that comes along, but look at things with
an open mind, not be a naysayer but point out the possible pitfalls. After
all safety is number one. I am very safety minded and approach aviation as
such.
The question is not whether BMW is better or worse than VW, Verner, Jabiru,
Corvair or Rotax, it is what you like and what works for you. Opinions are
as plentiful as ........
One of my neighbors on our strip flies an Aircam with twin 912-S. It is a
beautiful machine with great engines and I love to go flying with him. But
not all of us can afford a 912 and is important to have alternative engines
available in order for more people to enjoy the splendor of aviation as we
do.
Remember, Homer started flying with chainsaw engines...
I belong to the local EAA chapter and I fly "Young Eagles" at their pancake
breakfast meetings, Their is nothing more rewarding than to see the smile on
these kids faces on their very first flight. Let's broaden their horizon.
Fly safe.
Thanks,
Hans van Alphen
DO NOT ARCHIVE
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: BMW
> snip
> OK. First, I want to appologize for including the comment about BMW
> engines on that particular post. That was a serious error on my part....
>snip
> So how about it Hans? Live and let live.....
> snip
> Welcome back to the Kolb List....
> snip
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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| Subject: | Re: Apology Accepted |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
stack.
| Hans van Alphen
Hans/All:
Thanks my friend. Your appology is cordially accepted with good
feelings.
Thanks for reading and accepting my point of view as an individual,
which I am, nothing more and nothing less.
Hopefully, I can help you out sometime. Do not hesitate to contact
me.
It takes a great deal of courage to do what you have done. I respect
you as a man for taking that step.
Take care,
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
What are "Spades"?
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
Diamond or heart-shaped little clubs that you attach to your aileron that
stick out a little ways. No, kidding, they are little surfaces that are
aligned with the airstream when the aileron is at neutral, but stick out
into the airstream when the aileron is deflected so as to create drag that
helps to deflect the aileron further. They decrease stick forces by helping
to deflect the aileron in the direction you are trying to move it. A crude
but sometimes very effective way of balancing the aerodynamic forces acting
on the aileron. Sometimes the spades work as static balance weights too, so
you can get a two-fer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: spades`
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Kolbers,
> What are "Spades"?
>
> Paul Petty
> Building Ms. Dixie
> Kolbra/912UL/Warp
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| What are "Spades"?
|
| Paul Petty
Paul/All:
If Aubrey Radford were alive, he would tell you. Unfortunately,
Aubrey died about two months after I pulled the wings off my Original
Firestar. He knew about my failure and parachute save. That did not
influence his style of flying which was more aggressive than mine
was. I might add, his Original Firestar has recently been equipped
with spades. I shared his accident and death with the Kolb List a few
days or a week or so ago. Aubrey was a close friend of Possum. Part
of the old Atlanta gang back in the 80's and a short time in 1990.
The Kolbs are not designed for light ailerons at higher speeds, except
the Sling Shot, which has much smaller ailerons and shorter wings. On
my MKIII, which has slightly less aileron area than the plans call
for, at speeds below 70 mph I have light ailerons that can be operated
almost lock to lock. However, at higher speeds they load up. A
gentle nudge is all it takes to get the airplane to do your bidding.
I am not going to put spades on my airplane. Have never used them
before. I will share that I was in the planning stages of spades for
the old Firestar just prior to its final flight, 15 March 1990. Not
trying to sound dramatic. It was also very nearly my last flight.
Sometimes folks do not want to accept facts. Gues that is up to the
individual.
No recommendations here folks. Just Hauck's opinions from what little
bit I have learned from my Kolbs over the years.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Jimmy, several years ago I considered spades for my MKIII as it had heavy
ailerons. I was thinking of putting them on the counterbalance rods, but
Dennis said the company tried that years ago, and the vortexes rolling out
under the wing made them unsatisfactory. I considered adding them to the
ailerons at midpoint, however an experienced local homebuilder who has them
on both his Citabria & his Pitts (and flies it in serious aerobatic
competitions) cautioned me to be very careful and make sure the ballistic
parachute was working well before I did any serious testing. He said that
spades can be good, but if you don't know what you are doing, they could
cause a lot of trouble.
I ended up changing the leverage ratio to the ailerons by shortening the
bellcrank arm to the ailerons and it has proven very satisfactory. Ailerons
are now light and pleasant. Probably not quite as ideal as a perfectly
designed spade setup, but also without the risk of an amateur (me) trying
to reinvent the wheel and destroying his airplane in the process.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 08:14 AM 2/14/04 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy and Jo Ann Hill" <hillstw@jhill.biz>
>
>Hello:
>As an oldtimer in aviation, but newby to Kolbs, I need information on the
>advisibility of aileron spades on Kolbs. I like the light control forces
>they provide. Am wondering what actual experience and knowledge is out
>there concerning the safety and effectiveness of spades.?? (as related to
>Kolbs)
>
>Thanks.
>
>Jimmy
>FirestarII
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
They coming thru now Mike......
>
> TEST RUN because my "Posts" haven't been goin thru...
>
> ( John, Your my Hero! )
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
> do not archive
>
> ---
> http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
>
>
> Sometimes you just have to take the leap
> and build your wings on the way down...
> Gotta Fly...
>
>
> Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages
>
http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Those AN366F anchor have got to be good stuff, they already lasted 10 years
on Vamoose. Huh Lar.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Riv-nuts
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> I never thought about putting them in tubing, but it sounds like it might
> work better than in flat stock. Then, if it started to turn, you could
just
> squeeze the tubing a little. My experience with them has been in
> commercial restaurant equipment, and believe me, they're a major PIA.
Seems
> like sooner or later they'll bind a bit, and at that point you'd best be
> very careful, or you'll have a spinner. I've tried putting washers and a
> bolt in them to try and squeeze them back tight, and even - using an
> improvised bucking bar - tried tapping them to kinda rivet 'em tighter,
and
> that was a major mistake. I guess if you kept them lightly lubricated
with
> anti-sieze, and run a tap thru them if you felt a binding..............???
> Someone else mentioned using the anchor nuts like the AN366F or similar,
and
> those are what I put on Vamoose to hold the nose cone all those years ago.
> Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: gross weight etc
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
> >it.
> >
> > On rivnuts, seems like installing them in tubing would keep them from
> > spinning if they are pulled tight and deformed to the inner wall of the
> > tube. They come in keyed versions for flat surfaces.
> >
> > Clay Stuart
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Picky picky.............. 'sides, only 2 of 'em have ever seen a bolt so
far, and those not into the nylon. And it's only 7+ years and counting.
:-) Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Riv-nuts
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris"
<rharris@magnolia-net.com>
>
> Those AN366F anchor have got to be good stuff, they already lasted 10
years
> on Vamoose. Huh Lar.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Riv-nuts
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> > I never thought about putting them in tubing, but it sounds like it
might
> > work better than in flat stock. Then, if it started to turn, you could
> just
> > squeeze the tubing a little. My experience with them has been in
> > commercial restaurant equipment, and believe me, they're a major PIA.
> Seems
> > like sooner or later they'll bind a bit, and at that point you'd best be
> > very careful, or you'll have a spinner. I've tried putting washers and
a
> > bolt in them to try and squeeze them back tight, and even - using an
> > improvised bucking bar - tried tapping them to kinda rivet 'em tighter,
> and
> > that was a major mistake. I guess if you kept them lightly lubricated
> with
> > anti-sieze, and run a tap thru them if you felt a
binding..............???
> > Someone else mentioned using the anchor nuts like the AN366F or similar,
> and
> > those are what I put on Vamoose to hold the nose cone all those years
ago.
> > Lar.
> >
> > Larry Bourne
> > Palm Springs, CA
> > Building Kolb Mk III
> > N78LB Vamoose
> > www.gogittum.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kolb-List: gross weight etc
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
> > >it.
> > >
> > > On rivnuts, seems like installing them in tubing would keep them from
> > > spinning if they are pulled tight and deformed to the inner wall of
the
> > > tube. They come in keyed versions for flat surfaces.
> > >
> > > Clay Stuart
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: BRS that Shoots Downward |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 2/13/04 11:49:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil writes:
>
> Clay Stuart asked: <<Hasn't someone mounted the BRS underneath to fire
> downward? Any reason not to have this configuration? >>
>
> Clay, and Kolbers -
>
> I mounted my BRS-1050 Softpack inside the cabin, behind the passenger seat
> and underneath the fuel tank. It's completely out of the slipstream and out
> of the weather &elements. It is designed to fire out the right side of the
> aircraft, right thru the fabric. Installation was approved by BRS after I
> sent them drawings &photos. Am happy to share details with anyone who is
> interested.
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-III, Verner-1400, in
> New Mexico
>
> I did the same thing to my Firestar KX except i am not firing through the
fabric, mine is below the tube firing just behind the right wing and slightly
down out a door I made in a 1/8" polyfoam housing fabricated with light wood at
the corners and glue. Works for me since '93.
George Randolph
firestar driver from the Villages in Fl
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| Subject: | Re: BRS that Shoots Downward |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
My BRS-5 was mounted like Dennis, but I contacted BRS and am moving it in
front of engine and firing up and aft. I am doing this to open the space
under the tank up for storage and prevent having to redo fabric on repack.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
----- Original Message -----
From: <GeoR38@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: BRS that Shoots Downward
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 2/13/04 11:49:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil writes:
>
> >
> > Clay Stuart asked: <<Hasn't someone mounted the BRS underneath to fire
> > downward? Any reason not to have this configuration? >>
> >
> > Clay, and Kolbers -
> >
> > I mounted my BRS-1050 Softpack inside the cabin, behind the passenger
seat
> > and underneath the fuel tank. It's completely out of the slipstream and
out
> > of the weather &elements. It is designed to fire out the right side of
the
> > aircraft, right thru the fabric. Installation was approved by BRS after
I
> > sent them drawings &photos. Am happy to share details with anyone who
is
> > interested.
> >
> > Dennis Kirby
> > Mark-III, Verner-1400, in
> > New Mexico
> >
> > I did the same thing to my Firestar KX except i am not firing through
the
> fabric, mine is below the tube firing just behind the right wing and
slightly
> down out a door I made in a 1/8" polyfoam housing fabricated with light
wood at
> the corners and glue. Works for me since '93.
>
> George Randolph
> firestar driver from the Villages in Fl
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Simulator 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 2/14/04 11:58:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,
emailbill@chartermi.net writes:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net>
>
> Hi Kolb Builders and Flyers:
>
> For Christmas I received the Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004, just been
> too busy to download it until now.
>
> Anyone have any recommendation on what is the best Joystick to use with
> this program ?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bill Vincent
> Firestar II
> Cold ... Upper Peninsula of Michigan
>
I have Microsoft 98 Combat and Classic Flight Simulator and have shot down
thousands (well, it seems like it anyway) of german AND american planes with my
Logitech Wingman which has the rudder control in the twisting of the stick to
achieve 3 axis control. When I bought the joystick a year ago at Walmart, or
Best Buy...yea that's it...Best Buy....it was about $40 then. It has trigger
for shooting and 4 buttons on stick for cannon shooting and rocket firing plus
bomb dropping and flap lower as well as another for visuallizing the plane you
are flying from different angles. A gear raise button is in the base with
another button and engine throttle also. I can't imagine anything I'm missing,
but there were much more expensive sticks available. It is truly a JOY stick,
and is responsible for too much of my time doing nothing ....but I love it
anyway.
Do not archive
george RAndolph
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy and Jo Ann Hill" <hillstw@jhill.biz>
Thanks to all who responded concerning spades; I consider your experience
very helpful.
Now one more newby question: how good/bad, useful/useless
necessary/un-necessary is having a gascolator in the fuel system?
Thanks again.
Jimmy
Firestar II
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: spades
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> Jimmy, several years ago I considered spades for my MKIII as it had heavy
> ailerons. I was thinking of putting them on the counterbalance rods, but
> Dennis said the company tried that years ago, and the vortexes rolling out
> under the wing made them unsatisfactory. I considered adding them to the
> ailerons at midpoint, however an experienced local homebuilder who has
them
> on both his Citabria & his Pitts (and flies it in serious aerobatic
> competitions) cautioned me to be very careful and make sure the ballistic
> parachute was working well before I did any serious testing. He said that
> spades can be good, but if you don't know what you are doing, they could
> cause a lot of trouble.
>
> I ended up changing the leverage ratio to the ailerons by shortening the
> bellcrank arm to the ailerons and it has proven very satisfactory.
Ailerons
> are now light and pleasant. Probably not quite as ideal as a perfectly
> designed spade setup, but also without the risk of an amateur (me) trying
> to reinvent the wheel and destroying his airplane in the process.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> At 08:14 AM 2/14/04 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy and Jo Ann Hill"
<hillstw@jhill.biz>
> >
> >Hello:
> >As an oldtimer in aviation, but newby to Kolbs, I need information on the
> >advisibility of aileron spades on Kolbs. I like the light control forces
> >they provide. Am wondering what actual experience and knowledge is out
> >there concerning the safety and effectiveness of spades.?? (as related to
> >Kolbs)
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Jimmy
> >FirestarII
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Guys,
You ain't gonna believe this, but when I stripped the fabric off my MK III
wing I found an eight foot downspout - as in house gutter downspout, inside the
wing. Looking at the other wing, I can see the hole on the edge so there is
one inside that wing also. It is a few inches back of the leading edge and
routed inside of the ribs. It is aluminum (tho I'm sure not aircraft grade)
and is held in by a couple of rivets at the inboard end and strapping tape holds
it to each rib. (I mean, didn't even use "Louisiana Chrome" duct tape.)
The downspout is plugged with a wooden plug inside the wing and open at the inboard
side - sort of like you could store an 8' fishing rod in it. Geez maybe
that's what it's for. Any ideas?
AzDave
Do Not Archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com> (by way
of Matt Dralle <nospam@matronics.com>)
Hey Guys,
I posted this the other day, but it's still floating in cyberspace...
I'm not going to get a BRS ...YET...
I'm in Minnie-Sota land...If I ever have a problem, I'll look for a
FROZEN lake or some farmers field...
But I'm thinking of moving to Oregon...Now were talkin Trees &
Mountains....All I've been hearing you guys talk about is catastrophic
failure... what about the need to pull it, in an "engine out" situation
over bad terrain....scarey thought, but crashing into trees would be a
nightmare....
I'll have "FAITH" in my aircraft...It's the chances taken while
flying, that I'll try to prepare for... sometimes you can't have a nice
place within gliding distance....
That's alot of typing for my ONE FINGER...I hope it makes it to the
"list" this time...OK,OK , my other finger hits the SHIFT key...
Do not archive Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
-My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Jimmy and Jo Ann Hill wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy and Jo Ann Hill" <hillstw@jhill.biz>
>
>Thanks to all who responded concerning spades; I consider your experience
>very helpful.
>Now one more newby question: how good/bad, useful/useless
>necessary/un-necessary is having a gascolator in the fuel system?
>
>Thanks again.
>
>Jimmy
>Firestar II
>
>A good asset IF you can mount it where opening the little
>
drain won't spill inside the cage someplace. -Maybe put a piece of tygon
going
out the belly. The most common accumulation of water in gas was from being
tied down out in the weather. Since most Kolbs stay under cover that
shouldn't
be a problem. Those big semi-transluscent plastic auto filters are
pretty good.
However I can't deny a real airplane gascolator is a first class way to
go. -BB
do not archive
>
>
>the Contributions
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>Hey Guys,
> I posted this the other day, but it's still floating in
> cyberspace...
> I'm not going to get a BRS ...YET...
> I'm in Minnie-Sota land...If I ever have a problem, I'll look for a
> FROZEN lake or some farmers field...
> But I'm thinking of moving to Oregon...Now were talkin Trees &
> Mountains....All I've been hearing you guys talk about is catastrophic
> failure... what about the need to pull it, in an "engine out" situation
> over bad terrain....scarey thought, but crashing into trees would be a
> nightmare....
> I'll have "FAITH" in my aircraft...It's the chances taken while
> flying, that I'll try to prepare for... sometimes you can't have a nice
> place within gliding distance....
>
> That's alot of typing for my ONE FINGER...I hope it makes it to
> the "list" this time...OK,OK , my other finger hits the SHIFT key...
>
>Do not archive Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
>
>-My Web Site:
>http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
>
>
>Sometimes you just have to take the leap
>and build your wings on the way down...
> Gotta Fly...
Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages
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| Subject: | Re: Stitching the Fabric |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
In a message dated 2/13/04 10:06:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
donghe@one-eleven.net writes:
> ...trying now to decide if I should
> put it on and cover over it....or cover the cage first and then install the
> "ducktail" . It may not matter here...but what are you guys thoughts about
> this..I cant seem to forsee any great difference here...but then..I have not
> done it yet!
> About all I can think of is if the need arises to take it off some
> day...covering over it would make that harder.
> The reasoning for covering over the ducktail is so the Poly-Tone would stick
> better than to just the bare alum...and match better than a different paint
> on the alum...
>
Don Gherardini
What do you think about covering the ducktail with fabric separate from the
cage. Then you would be able to remove it, if the need arose, and the paint
would stick on and match better than on the bare alum.
Bill Varnes
Kolb FireStar
Audubon, NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Downspout |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Maybe to store the struts in, when you fold the wings ??
Naw..........fishin' rod sounds better. :-) Lar. Do
not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Downspout
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
<pelletier@cableone.net>
>
> Guys,
>
> You ain't gonna believe this, but when I stripped the fabric off my MK
III wing I found an eight foot downspout - as in house gutter downspout,
inside the wing. Looking at the other wing, I can see the hole on the edge
so there is one inside that wing also. It is a few inches back of the
leading edge and routed inside of the ribs. It is aluminum (tho I'm sure
not aircraft grade) and is held in by a couple of rivets at the inboard end
and strapping tape holds it to each rib. (I mean, didn't even use
"Louisiana Chrome" duct tape.) The downspout is plugged with a wooden plug
inside the wing and open at the inboard side - sort of like you could store
an 8' fishing rod in it. Geez maybe that's what it's for. Any ideas?
>
> AzDave
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Depends on how well your engine will run on water. <grin>
I consider it a necessity. However I have never had any water show up in mine.
That doesn't make any difference, it is like a ballistic parachute.
It only has to do it's job once to pay for itself.
My gas tank is designed with the fuel pickup 2.5" above the lowest point of
the tank, so
I can get a 1/2 pint of water in the tank before it gets to the fuel
pickup, and so far I have had none.
But like I said, that means nothing, because none of us can afford any.
If you are wondering if you should $75 on an aircraft gascolator, I have
directions for how to build a complete gascolator for under $12 on my web
page,
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 08:16 PM 2/14/04 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy and Jo Ann Hill" <hillstw@jhill.biz>
><snip>
>Now one more newby question: how good/bad, useful/useless
>necessary/un-necessary is having a gascolator in the fuel system?
>
>Thanks again.
>
>Jimmy
>Firestar II
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