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1. 05:05 AM - Re: Kolb Downspout (Bill Vincent)
2. 05:52 AM - Re: Kolb Downspout (Bob Bean)
3. 07:03 AM - Re: Kolb Downspout (Don Gherardini)
4. 07:03 AM - Can't get it up (Mike Pierzina)
5. 07:17 AM - Re: Can't get it up (bryan green)
6. 07:24 AM - Re: Gascolator (Jack & Louise Hart)
7. 07:42 AM - Re: Kolb-List Sim Joy Stick (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com)
8. 08:06 AM - Streamlined Struts (Lloyd McFarlane)
9. 08:28 AM - Re: spades` (Christopher Armstrong)
10. 09:37 AM - B.R.S (Bill Vincent)
11. 12:11 PM - [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
12. 12:13 PM - [ Bill Herren ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
13. 12:48 PM - I dint no dat (Mike Pierzina)
14. 01:21 PM - Re: [ Bill Herren ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Larry Bourne)
15. 02:31 PM - inhouse bickering. (Ted Cowan)
16. 03:20 PM - warpdrive repair (Joe Allman)
17. 03:45 PM - Re: warpdrive repair (Joe Allman)
18. 03:54 PM - Re: Kolb Downspout (Eugene Zimmerman)
19. 03:59 PM - Re: Can't get it up (Eugene Zimmerman)
20. 04:19 PM - One More Personal Public Appology (John Hauck)
21. 04:33 PM - Re: Kolb Downspout (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
22. 04:41 PM - Spinning Rivets (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
23. 04:41 PM - Prop pitch for engine break-in (H MITCHELL)
24. 05:16 PM - Re: warpdrive repair (Richard Harris)
25. 05:46 PM - Re: warp drive repair (Joe Allman)
26. 06:19 PM - Re: warpdrive repair (John Hauck)
27. 06:51 PM - Re: Flight Simulator 2004 (Christopher Armstrong)
28. 08:19 PM - Re: Flight Simulator 2004 (Don Gherardini)
29. 08:36 PM - Re: Flight Simulator 2004 (John Hauck)
30. 09:06 PM - Re: Stitching the Fabric (Richard Pike)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Downspout |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi AzDave
DOWNSPOUT ????? This will be a good one for the list.
P.S. I don't like any word in aviation with the word "down" in it.
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
>
> Guys,
>
> You ain't gonna believe this, but when I stripped the fabric off my MK III
wing I found an eight foot downspout - as in house gutter downspout, inside
the wing. Looking at the other wing, I can see the hole on the edge so there
is one inside that wing also. It is a few inches back of the leading edge and
routed inside of the ribs. It is aluminum (tho I'm sure not aircraft grade)
and is held in by a couple of rivets at the inboard end and strapping tape holds
it to each rib. (I mean, didn't even use "Louisiana Chrome" duct tape.)
The downspout is plugged with a wooden plug inside the wing and open at the
inboard side - sort of like you could store an 8' fishing rod in it. Geez maybe
that's what it's for. Any ideas?
>
> AzDave
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Downspout |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Drug smuggler??? Nah, I go with the lift strut storage...great idea.
-BB do not archive
Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
>
>Guys,
>
> You ain't gonna believe this, but when I stripped the fabric off my MK III
wing I found an eight foot downspout - as in house gutter downspout, inside the
wing. Looking at the other wing, I can see the hole on the edge so there is
one inside that wing also. It is a few inches back of the leading edge and
routed inside of the ribs. It is aluminum (tho I'm sure not aircraft grade)
and is held in by a couple of rivets at the inboard end and strapping tape holds
it to each rib. (I mean, didn't even use "Louisiana Chrome" duct tape.)
The downspout is plugged with a wooden plug inside the wing and open at the inboard
side - sort of like you could store an 8' fishing rod in it. Geez maybe
that's what it's for. Any ideas?
>
>AzDave
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Downspout |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
AZ Dave,
LOL...thats pretty good pard....If you have a pic..I sure would like to see
that!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Guys,
Another test run here...
I've been trying for the past 2 day to post some pictures of the "Old"control
stick , and the "NEW" one that Kolb sent me...
There's also a shot of my "throttle stop" W/EIS switches.
If anyone wants me to send them directly to them, let me know....Til then
I'll keep trying.
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
do not archive
ps the pictures I sent last week of the fuel vent bracket went thru just fine.....?
---
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages
http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
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| Subject: | Re: Can't get it up |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Send them to me BC Mike. tks. DO NOT ARCHIVE
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Can't get it up
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>
> Hey Guys,
> Another test run here...
> I've been trying for the past 2 day to post some pictures of the
"Old"control stick , and the "NEW" one that Kolb sent me...
> There's also a shot of my "throttle stop" W/EIS switches.
> If anyone wants me to send them directly to them, let me know....Til
then I'll keep trying.
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
> do not archive
>
> ps the pictures I sent last week of the fuel vent bracket went thru just
fine.....?
>
> ---
> My Web Site:
> http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
>
>
> Sometimes you just have to take the leap
> and build your wings on the way down...
> Gotta Fly...
>
>
> Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages
>
http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 08:16 PM 2/14/04 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy and Jo Ann Hill" <hillstw@jhill.biz>
>Now one more newby question: how good/bad, useful/useless
>necessary/un-necessary is having a gascolator in the fuel system?
>
>Thanks again.
>
Jimmy,
There are two sources for water in the tank. If you do not top up your tank
after every flight the warm moist air that is over the fuel in the tank will
cool. When it does some of the moisture in the air will condense out and
fall to the bottom of the tank. The other source of water is from the fuel
source.
If you top up your tank after every flight, you minimize the amount of water
condensation in your tank. If you do your own refueling you can minimize
water transfer by never pouring the last bit of fuel and water from your
cans.
It is very easy to detect water build up in the translucent five gallon
tanks. After a fairly long flight were most of the fuel is used, just look
in the tank through the open bung. One can do the same for the fuel
transfer gas cans.
I take my tank out once a year and clean the tank. The most water volume I
have ever removed from the tank is about equal to a quarter (25 cents). I
have found much more water in my transfer cans, because they do set around
in the hangar partially full or at home completely empty. Some of this
comes from sweating, but I believe most of it comes from where I fill up the
cans.
A couple of other precautions, remove the carburetor float bowl once in a while
to
check for water in the bottom. When refuelling from other than your own cans,
refuel through a fine mesh screened funnel.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Sim Joy Stick |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
Hi All ...
I have been lurking for a while , I use the journal version of the
list and like it a LOT ...
As for a joystick I use the AMERICAN MADE CH Products fighterstick USB
. I Really like it a LOT But as with the sim I Run X-Plane It may not be for
everyone , So do your homework before you buy "Chinese" ... Dave
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Streamlined Struts |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Lloyd McFarlane" <lrmcf@ix.netcom.com>
I filled the space between the streamlined and round strut with expanding foam
applied at each end of the strut. It solve the vibation problem.
Lloyd McFarlane
Fullerton, CA
From: ZackGSD@aol.com
Subject: Kolb-List: vibration
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ZackGSD@aol.com
gentlemen....i own a 1995 firestar w a 503 sc. it has the streamlined wing
struts installed and it appears mine is the model (just bought 1 month ago)
where the tubing (strut) goes all the way through. maybe they all do but i am new
to this. recenlty, there is a vibration/rattle where the tube is vibrating
inside and against the speed strut cover and making a noise at idle. once you
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
Like john says spades can be real dangerous, that's why I said if you put
them on you need to run a complete envelope clearing test flight program.
If you don't know what I mean by that you should not even consider it.
Spades do add some drag but they generate lift (one up and one down on
ailerons) to reduce the control forces of the control surface in question.
If you make them too big they actually over drive the controls and you have
to hold the controls back to keep them from going to full deflection. That
is really bad. If you make the controls too light then you give the pilot
complete responsibility for not deflecting the controls too far and ripping
the aircraft structure apart.
Transport (FAR part 23 certified) aircraft have to be able to deflect the
pitch and roll controls to full deflection throughout the flight envelope
without causing a structural failure, but not the Yaw controls. That is why
the vertical stabilizer came off the airbus over long Island right after
9/11 when the copilot started dancing on the rudder. He deflected the rudder
full stop one way then the other then back again and popped the vertical
tail right off the plane.
Guess what, our little planes don't follow FAR part 23. If you deflect any
of the controls too much you might be able to rip parts off the plane.
Stable controls always get heavier with airspeed, making it harder for the
pilot to over deflect them and overstress the plane. If you reduce the
stability of a control surface by adding area in front of the hinge line ( a
spade or leading edge extension) the control forces are reduced and the
pilot can now over stress the plane with the flick of a finger. That is
bad. Adding spades is a very advanced modification of an airplane and
should not be done without complete mastery of the subject.
In other words, as with any modification to an airplane, if you don't know
what your doing don't be doing it. Learn first, do second.
Doing first results in what is universally known as "learning the hard way",
which in airplanes is often accompanied by death. This is known as "lessons
learned too late." I have no doubt that the airbus copilot knew exactly why
his airplane was tumbling to the ground after he snapped his rudder off.
Topher
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net>
HI Kolb Flyers
I was wondering if it is dangerous to have the B.R.S rocket
positioned so close to the fuel tanks ?
Bill Vincent
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Mike Pierzina <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Subject: New & Old
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/planecrazzzy@lycos.com.02.15.2004/index.html
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| Subject: | [ Bill Herren ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Bill Herren <wmdherren@hotmail.com>
Subject: Statue of Big Lar
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Guys,
I found out why my pictures didn't make it to the "LIST" yet....
And I'd thought I'd share.... Matt puts them in Manualy.... I dint no
dat ...
I thought it was some automatic process that was out to get me....
The other pictures ( last week ) posted right away, So when these didn't,
I thought something was wrong...
So the pictures of the old style control stick and the NEW one Kolb sent me
( Thanks-Ron Payne ) Will be coming soon... and the throttle stop picture is
with them...
do not archive Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
---
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: [ Bill Herren ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Naw.............I'm much handsome-er than that. :-) Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Email List Photo Shares" <pictures@matronics.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: [ Bill Herren ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares
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| Subject: | inhouse bickering. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted Cowan <tcowan1917@direcway.com>
My personal opinion is the whole bunch of you guys have GRAVITY FEVER. You
need to get out and up. This is what I hated about living in the North (if
there is such a thing), bickering. After three or four months of solitude
from snow, cold, etc., everyone got so bitchy you could not live with
anyone. You just gotta crank up the ole Kolbie and go for it. You only get
just so cold then it turns numb and you get warm anyway. Get off the
ground. You will feel better, live better and get along with everyone
better.
The List if for us, to speak of aviation or whatever. I like the planning,
the goofying around and such. Makes us sound and act more like buddies.
So, quit taking things to stressful. Get it back together and have some fun
helping and joking around. That is what life is about. Live. ted cowan,
alabama.
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| Subject: | warpdrive repair |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <fisherallman@earthlink.net>
Lurker here,
Anyone have any experience repairing or having a Warpdrive prop. repaired.
I've searched the archives and can't find much.
Thanks,
Joe SS 582 VA
do not archive
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| Subject: | warpdrive repair |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <fisherallman@earthlink.net>
should have been "Warp Drive"
Joe
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Joe Allman
Subject: Kolb-List: warpdrive repair
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <fisherallman@earthlink.net>
Lurker here,
Anyone have any experience repairing or having a Warpdrive prop. repaired.
I've searched the archives and can't find much.
Thanks,
Joe SS 582 VA
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Downspout |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Dave,
You ain't gonna believe this but I am rebuilding a firestar that had
major damage that has the exact same thing in each wing just as you
described.
Must have been built by the same person that built yours.
Do you have any idea who that may have been?
The original owner of this plane had someone else build it for him. I
like the idea because it does make useable room for long items and I may
reuse them when I am ready recover my wings. Weight is next to nothing.
I had to remove them to repair major wing damage.
This plane was a new plane with less than five hours total time when it
was totally destroyed by the overconfident owner with absolutely no
experience as a pilot. Pilot suffered serious damage to whatever brain
he may have had.
Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
>
> Guys,
>
> You ain't gonna believe this, but when I stripped the fabric off my MK III
wing I found an eight foot downspout - as in house gutter downspout, inside
the wing. Looking at the other wing, I can see the hole on the edge so there
is one inside that wing also. It is a few inches back of the leading edge and
routed inside of the ribs. It is aluminum (tho I'm sure not aircraft grade)
and is held in by a couple of rivets at the inboard end and strapping tape holds
it to each rib. (I mean, didn't even use "Louisiana Chrome" duct tape.)
The downspout is plugged with a wooden plug inside the wing and open at the
inboard side - sort of like you could store an 8' fishing rod in it. Geez maybe
that's what it's for. Any ideas?
>
> AzDave
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Can't get it up |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Mike,
I'd like to see your picts. You can send em direct to me.
Thanks
Mike Pierzina wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>
> Hey Guys,
> Another test run here...
> I've been trying for the past 2 day to post some pictures of the "Old"control
stick , and the "NEW" one that Kolb sent me...
> There's also a shot of my "throttle stop" W/EIS switches.
> If anyone wants me to send them directly to them, let me know....Til then
I'll keep trying.
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
> do not archive
>
> ps the pictures I sent last week of the fuel vent bracket went thru just fine.....?
>
> ---
> My Web Site:
> http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
>
>
> Sometimes you just have to take the leap
> and build your wings on the way down...
> Gotta Fly...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | One More Personal Public Appology |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi All:
Please do not crucify me for posting another public appology, however,
after doing some soul searching and reflecting on the past few days
activities, it is necesary for me to try and right another wrong.
The other day I named a few of the members of the "rat pack".
Included was Jack Hart. That was wrong and very inconsiderate on my
part. I made a big mistake doing that. It was completely unfair and
discourteous for me to even think it, much less put it on paper and
publish in a public place.
I want to appologize to Jack for making that error.
Jack and I had a telephone conversation last December. Since that
time Jack has been nothing but polite to me. He has done nothing to
warrant me pulling a dumb stunt like I did. I am sorry.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Downspout |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eugene Zimmerman" <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Downspout
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
<eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>
> Must have been built by the same person that built yours.
> Do you have any idea who that may have been?
>
Eugene,
Dunno who built mine. I'm the ??? owner. I bought it from a guy in
Bishop, CA, who bought it from someone in Nebraska. The Bishop guy told me
the Neb guy bought it from someone in Fla.
It really was weird opening up the wing and seeing that. I wondered if
someone had used the plane to smuggle dope or something. The best
conclusion is that it is used to store the struts - that makes sense and
they fit in there.
Oh well, what next.
AzDave
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Guys,
Thanks for all the ideas on removing spinnig rivets. I've got 'em all out
- took about 2 days. I'd guess I used a combination of all the ideas I got on
and off the list - different things work in different places. Anyway, thanks
again for the participation - that's what this list is all about in my book.
See y'all in MV.
AzDave
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| Subject: | Prop pitch for engine break-in |
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:41:52 -0500
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
Hello Ed et al,
When I did the break-in procedure on my FireFly's 447 the prop was set at ~ 11
degrees from the center axis of the prop shaft. At this pitch I was able to take
her up to the highest RPMs specified. Right now it tops out at 6300 RPM WOT
straight and level.
I have temporarily lost track of my FireFly log so I won't be able to give you
the wheel weights from my Wt/Bal sheets until I find it again.
Keep your air speed,
Duane the plane Tallahassee, FL
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| Subject: | Re: warpdrive repair |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Joe, I don't know what your repair might be. I had a small chip in mine a
while back, had no idea what to do. I called Warp, talked to them, explained
my problem and was given the solution over the phone and did the repair my
self.
>
> Anyone have any experience repairing or having a Warpdrive prop. repaired.
>
> I've searched the archives and can't find much.
>
>
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| Subject: | warp drive repair |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <fisherallman@earthlink.net>
Thanks Richard,
Joe
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Harris
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: warpdrive repair
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Joe, I don't know what your repair might be. I had a small chip in mine a
while back, had no idea what to do. I called Warp, talked to them, explained
my problem and was given the solution over the phone and did the repair my
self.
>
> Anyone have any experience repairing or having a Warpdrive prop. repaired.
>
> I've searched the archives and can't find much.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: warpdrive repair |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
repaired.
|
| I've searched the archives and can't find much.
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|
| Thanks,
|
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| Joe SS 582 VA
|
Joe/All:
I have.
john h
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| Subject: | Flight Simulator 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
I use a Microsoft sidewinder and like it a lot. If you want force feedback
they make one with that too.
Topher
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Vincent
Subject: Kolb-List: Flight Simulator 2004
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi Kolb Builders and Flyers:
For Christmas I received the Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004, just been
too busy to download it until now.
Anyone have any recommendation on what is the best Joystick to use with
this program ?
Thank you,
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Cold ... Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Simulator 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Microsoft Sidewinder Precision 2 joystic....twist grip for rudder....and the
tuffest stick on the market.....we got 2 of em and they get an awful lot of
use around here....none other has lasted near as long. WE never have had a
force feedback model ..dunno how tuff they are
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FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Simulator 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
rudder....and the
| tuffest stick on the market.....we got 2 of em and they get an awful
lot of
| use around here....none other has lasted near as long. WE never have
had a
| force feedback model ..dunno how tuff they are
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| Don Gherardini
Don/Gang:
I tried one for a while. It was really neat. Had the MS flying
program that had a Fokker, a Bell Jet Ranger, and other aircraft.
The Fokker was ok. Flew it right out of Wetumpka Airport, Alabama.
The skid on the tail could be felt throught the stick, bumps could be
felt when the mains his something on the runway. The computer program
tried to give realistic control feels on the stick in flight, however,
that seemed to screw things up more for me. I took the joy stick back
to the BX.
Before I took it back, I tried to fly the Jet Ranger. Could not fly
it. Also the Fokker was very slow to respond to control input. Could
have been I did not have enough computer at the time to make the thing
operate correctly.
I do a little better with real airplanes and helicopters.
I tried flying models on strings and rc models and promptly crashed
them.
I do not do good at all trying to fly airplanes with computer
programs.
Full motion sythetic simulators are different. In my time we got the
first Huey Instrument Training System at Ft Rucker, about 1973 or
1974. It was very much like flying the actual aircraft. While
sitting on the take off pad at full rotor rpm, you could push the anti
torque pedals a little each way and feel the skids slide on the
concrete. In flight you could feel the motion of the main rotor in
the pilot's seat, pulling g's and decending. Was a good trainer, a
far cry from the old blue goose we did our instrument simulator
training in in flight school a few years prior.
I guess I belong to the wrong generation.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Stitching the Fabric |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
After a delightful afternoon of flying yesterday, spent the evening on the
site,
so you got your wish. I'm not convinced it is worth the trouble, but anyway...
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
Click on Rib Stitching.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 08:59 PM 2/13/04 +0000, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM
><Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
><snip>
>And ... I really enjoyed the process. Rib stitching was one of the more fun
>parts of my construction process. After the first couple of ribs, I was
>averaging a half-hour per rib. I also like to think that removing stitched
>fabric from a wing will be easier than drilling out hundreds of rivits, if
>(when) I ever need to replace my wing fabric.
>
>Hopefully, the Old Poop will get his pictures posted soon for all to see
>what smooth results can be had from rib stitching.
>
>Dennis Kirby
>with a thousand unused alum wide-flange rivets if anyone wants 'em, in
>Cedar Crest, NM
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