Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:39 AM - Warp Drive Repair (Joe Allman)
2. 06:13 AM - Re: Starter Trouble (Eugene Zimmerman)
3. 07:31 AM - Re: (no subject) (Don Gherardini)
4. 08:05 AM - Re: (no subject) (Larry Bourne)
5. 08:41 AM - Re: (no subject) (Ron or Mary Payne)
6. 08:43 AM - Location of Kolbers (Thom Riddle)
7. 08:47 AM - High CHTs (John Hauck)
8. 09:15 AM - Re: Location of Kolbers (dama@mindspring.com)
9. 09:16 AM - Re: Location of Kolbers (John Hauck)
10. 09:27 AM - Re: Location of Kolbers (Jack & Louise Hart)
11. 09:39 AM - Re: (no subject) (Don Gherardini)
12. 09:42 AM - Re: Location of Kolbers (Don Gherardini)
13. 09:43 AM - Re: High CHTs (ul15rhb@juno.com)
14. 09:47 AM - Be careful what you click on (Richard Pike)
15. 09:53 AM - Re: Location of Kolbers (John Hauck)
16. 10:03 AM - Kolb Pic (John Hauck)
17. 10:08 AM - Re: Be careful what you click on (John Hauck)
18. 10:38 AM - Briggs in the air (Paul Petty)
19. 10:50 AM - master switch kit (jam'n)
20. 11:11 AM - Re: master switch kit (John Hauck)
21. 12:13 PM - Re: prop efficiency (was 'test pilot') (Ben Ransom)
22. 12:55 PM - Re: Location of Kolbers (Thom Riddle)
23. 02:47 PM - Re: Briggs in the air (Dennis Souder)
24. 02:58 PM - Over Water Flights (John Hauck)
25. 02:59 PM - virus? (Bob N.)
26. 03:22 PM - Re: Briggs in the air (John Hauck)
27. 04:49 PM - Re: Briggs in the air (Don Gherardini)
28. 05:22 PM - Re: Be careful what you click on (Larry Bourne)
29. 05:35 PM - Re: Kolb Pic (Larry Bourne)
30. 06:15 PM - Re: Kolb Pic (Larry Bourne)
31. 06:29 PM - Re: Briggs in the air (ronnie wehba)
32. 06:36 PM - Re: Kolb Pic (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | Warp Drive Repair |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <fisherallman@earthlink.net>
All,
Thanks for all the advice.
Joe
SS 582 VA
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| Subject: | Re: Starter Trouble |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Steve,
It has been a while since I rebuilt mine but here is what I remember.
Your starter probably has three or four separate sprag bearings running
on a 1" shaft. Any bearing store should be able to get replacements. One
thing to make certain of is that the bearings are all tight in their
housing and do not rotate at their outside diameter. I used Lock Tite on
mine but extreme care must be used to not get any Lock Tite in the
sprags. The rotational orientation of the sprag bearings in the
crankshaft must be opposite the ones in the pulley to make them engage
when the starter spins. Get new seals and use light grease in the
sprags. Also on rare occasions the belt will be the problem.
Gene,
PS I wish I had another Air Drive starter for the Firestar II I'm
rebuilding.
ActionCrane@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ActionCrane@aol.com
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> I have an " Air Drive Service" (?) starter on a 377 on an original Firestar.
> It is my first ultra light. The starter does not want to engage,
> especially when the engine is cold. Has anyone else had this problem? Do you
know
> how to cure it?
>
> I have been a lurker for several weeks and this looks like an excellent
> source of information. I have learned alot already. I appreciate everyone's
good
> input.
>
> Steve Henry
> Nampa, ID
> Firestar KXP 377
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
John...and Steve...
Boy...someone needs to watch me all the time...I shoulda proof-read that
post I made too!
Of course John, you are right..some how a whole paragraph I was thinking or
cutting an past'in didnt get in that post...too late at nite I reckon!
Steve..I was atempting to give you some way to test your CHT guages to see
if they responded correctly..Just to see if the insturment was really the
culprit.
1st...since I you didnt mention that you had an EGT...I assumed that you did
not...but I shouldnt do that either.
Anyway..What I like to do it set the throttle a static test to a level below
max...so we stay out of the danger zone.
then run it all warmed up and record the CHT.
Next shut it off and increase the load on the engine..
start it all up and go back to the same rpm level.
Record new CHT at the same rpm level.
If the guage is correct....the CHT will be HIGHER. Due to Higher BMEP needed
to achieve the same rpm level.
IF the CHT is the same...I might redo the test at a different level...just
to make sure...but usually..I will just replace the insturment.
A worksheet on this test might look like this:
stage 1
Rpm= 5000
load/pitch= 11 deg.
CHT = 325
stage 2
RPM=5000
Load/pitch =12 deg
CHT= 350
This simple test should always go this way ( the numbers were just for
example)
I should mention that you will likely see a higher lever throttle position
for stage 2...this is normal.
I also would recommend if you dont have EGT monitering insturments..that you
should and preform these same tests..if for nothing else than to see and
learn the relationship of CHT and EGT to an engine and its loads.
I had a instructor once who always said....Fly with the CHT and watch
it...adjust the carb with the EGT...then unhook it!
WELL...I dunno if I completely agree with that..as he was talking about GA
aircraft engines....This was before we ever thought of putting a snowmobile
2 stroke behind a prop!
but...what he really meant was EGT'S are different according to prob placeme
nts and weather conditions and exhaust systems and a whole lot of other
things, and they dont always signal weather your CHT will soon follow,
because they dont always follow infact. IN some instances of a change of
load on your engine...the EGT will go up and the CHT will soon respond by
going down...which will be confusing if you dont understand zactly what is
going on ..CHT on the other hand will always go up with an increase in
engine load at any given rpm we set it at..unless the engine is WAY out of
mixture adjustment..
.but Still...I cant hardly operate my riding tractor without cht and egt
insturments...cause I get to thinking about what is going on in my engine
and then run over the tulips while i'm dreaming!
Thanks John.....I told ya someone needs to keep an eye on me pard!
Back from 3 days at the American Motorcycle Assoc show...and beat....ya know
them Pennzoil girls get younger and wear less cloths every year...WHEW!
Don Gherardini
Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Can I go with you next time ?? :-) Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: (no subject)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
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>
> Back from 3 days at the American Motorcycle Assoc show...and beat....ya
know
> them Pennzoil girls get younger and wear less cloths every year...WHEW!
>
> Don Gherardini
> Sales / Engineering dept.
> American Honda Engines
> Power Equipment Company
> CortLand, Illinois
> 800-626-7326
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne" <whyme@vci.net>
Don--You going to be at Daytona Bike Week? Wife and I will be there with
our Valkyrie.
Do Not Archive
Ron Payne
Back from 3 days at the American Motorcycle Assoc show...and beat....ya know
them Pennzoil girls get younger and wear less cloths every year...WHEW!
Don Gherardini
Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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| Subject: | Location of Kolbers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
I was wondering if anyone on the list has created a database or map of where Kolbers
are located. This sort of thing would be handy for anyone traveling and
wishing to meet up with other Kolbers enroute. I know most of your long-time Kolbers
know where each other are located but some of us newer guys don't know.
I think perhaps the location of home airport (airport code if available or nearest
one with a code and what they are flying/building) would be an easy way
to do this. If I were a computer guru I would volunteer to do this, but alas,
I am not.
If this sort of thing has already been done and I just haven't seen it, please
direct me to the info. Or perhaps it is way out of date. If not....any takers?
Thom in Buffalo
Clarence Aerodrome (D51)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Don/All:
High CHTs in fan cooled two strokes are usually caused by broken or
slipping belts, air passages clogged, i.e., inadequate airflow.
Remember way back when a mod came out to add an air dam in the cowling
of the Rotax's to divert more air to the mag cylinder.
Best to take the cowling off and make sure the dirt daubers haven't
taken up residence, spider webs, grass, debris, etc.
john h
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| Subject: | Location of Kolbers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama@mindspring.com" <dama@mindspring.com>
Thom, this may what you are looking for...
http://www.springeraviation.net
It is as current as the information that I get.
Kip Laurie
FS II
Atlanta
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From: Thom Riddle jtriddle@adelphia.net
Subject: Kolb-List: Location of Kolbers
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
I was wondering if anyone on the list has created a database or map of
where Kolbers are located. This sort of thing would be handy for anyone
traveling and wishing to meet up with other Kolbers enroute. I know most of
your long-time Kolbers know where each other are located but some of us
newer guys don't know. I think perhaps the location of home airport
(airport code if available or nearest one with a code and what they are
flying/building) would be an easy way to do this. If I were a computer guru
I would volunteer to do this, but alas, I am not.
If this sort of thing has already been done and I just haven't seen it,
please direct me to the info. Or perhaps it is way out of date. If
not....any takers?
Thom in Buffalo
Clarence Aerodrome (D51)
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| Subject: | Re: Location of Kolbers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
of where Kolbers are located. | Thom in Buffalo
| Clarence Aerodrome (D51)
Thom/All:
Kip Laurie started one some time ago. He keeps it as current as folks
send updates to him. I for one need to update mine.
http://www.springeraviation.net/
Click on Kolb Builder/Pilot Database when you get there.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Location of Kolbers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 11:42 AM 2/17/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
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>If this sort of thing has already been done and I just haven't seen it, please
direct me to the info. Or perhaps it is way out of date. If not....any takers?
>
Thom
Try:
http://www.springeraviation.net/database.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Ron...
Nope...dont have to go there Ron...
Valk huh?...good choice pard!
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Don Gherardini
Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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| Subject: | Re: Location of Kolbers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Tom...There is a Kolb database..maintained by springer aviation..here is the
url....send him a note if you are not on there...
http://www.springeraviation.net/database.html
Don Gherardini
Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
John and others,
I don't believe later engines have that air dam in the cowling. What did Rotax
do to improve the air flow?
While on this subject, I might let others know that I have never run my engine
with those brown spark plug caps that have the air gasket around them. Mine are
the black NGK snowmobiles plug caps with no gasket. There is a lot of air that
escapes around the plugs. I have never had a CHT gauge, so I have no idea what
temps I'm running. Mike Jacober used to call the CHT, "The fan belt meter".
It just tells you if the fan is working or not. I have always thought the EGT
was a better indicator of engine temperature because by the time the CHT gets
too high, the engine will probably be seized up.
The plugs are very normal light tan. EGT's are 1100F.
Ralph
Original Firestar
17 years flying it
-- "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Don/All:
High CHTs in fan cooled two strokes are usually caused by broken or
slipping belts, air passages clogged, i.e., inadequate airflow.
Remember way back when a mod came out to add an air dam in the cowling
of the Rotax's to divert more air to the mag cylinder.
Best to take the cowling off and make sure the dirt daubers haven't
taken up residence, spider webs, grass, debris, etc.
john h
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| Subject: | Be careful what you click on |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Semi-Kolb related heads up -
Just a few minutes ago I got two e-mails from two of our listers - but not
really.
Somebody on the list that has CaptainRon & the Grey Baron in their address
books has a virus, because I just got a purported message from each of them
with an executable attachment that I ain't opening!
Captain Ron & Bob Noyer, I know it aint you guys, but I'd say odds are 99%
that it probably is someone on the list.
Ya'll be careful what you click on out there...
do not archive
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Location of Kolbers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| http://www.springeraviation.net
Hi Kip/All:
Wanted to thank you for going that extra mile. Makes it real handy
when I need to get info on people on the Kolb List and other
interesting Kolb builders and flyers.
I appreciate your efforts.
BTW: Kip has a beautiful, one of a kind Firestar, he built and flies.
In fact, last year when the group flew to Kitty Hawk, Kip flew down
and met us at the Milledgeville, GA, airport. Was the first stop for
all the others after we left Wetumpka. My second stop. I made a
short visit to the FBO at Pine Mountain. While I was on the ground
getting ready to take off and catch back up with our gaggle of Kolbs,
I heard them long before I spotted them in the air. Very impressive
sight and sound, standing there listening and watching. I can imagine
a lot of folks along our route of flight looked up and wondered who
and where we were going. It was quite obvious it was not a local
flight. Good times with Kolb friends.
I sent the url for your sight to the List more than half hour ago.
Guess it got lost in space.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Folks:
This is a big part of Kolbs, flying:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202003/Boyd%20Young's%20Mk%20III.jpg
This is Boyd Young of Salt Lake City, Utah, some where over Monument
Valley. This picture shows the technique required to fly a stock MK
III from the left seat: right hand on stick and left hand across the
thighs on the throttle. I think that is what his left hand is on.
Take care,
john h
PS: I think this is a Larry Bourne photo, or one of us out in the
valley last year took it.
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| Subject: | Re: Be careful what you click on |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
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| do not archive
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| Richard Pike
Richard/All:
I got the same one, most likely, with attachment, addressed from Erich
Weaver, on the List. Knew it wasn't from Erich so deleted it and
sent into the big trash can in cyber space.
john h
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| Subject: | Briggs in the air |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
I was looking up some info on a HI-MAX air plane for a friend and ran across this.
This you gotta see.
http://www.isonaircraft.com/gallery/petersson.htm
pp
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| Subject: | master switch kit |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jam'n" <jghunter@nol.net>
can anyone refer me to a supplier that offers an elec master switch with
solenoid at bat?
thanks
jg
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| Subject: | Re: master switch kit |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
with
| solenoid at bat?
|
| thanks
| jg
JG/All:
I get mine at RV Shops. Much cheaper and equal or better quality.
Make sure you get a name brand like Tekonsha and not a no-name
Chinamanese model.
If I had it to do over again, I would do like Bob Bean. Buy a
mechanical/manual master switch. All solenoid continuous duty master
switches use a lot of 12VDC power to operate. After a short while of
operation, place your hand on it and burn your fingers. When I first
started using one on my MKIII I though I had a bad solenoid and bought
another aircraft grade master solenoid from an aircraft supplier.
Cost twice what an RV shop charges. Was surprised to find out this
new one did the same thing the old one did. Got very hot. Cost about
.5 to .75 VDC for this fancy piece of gear.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: prop efficiency (was 'test pilot') |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Don't want any theory BS? -- skip to my last paragraph. -Ben
> Because of advice posted to this list that a longer propeller is
> better, I
> have been attempting to run as long a propeller as possible. I have
> not had
> much luck. For the pitch I had to set them to load the engine
> properly, I
> calculated the forward tip speeds and discovered that they were not
> much
> faster than the plane was going. Then I realized that if the plane
> is going
> 50 mph and the forward tip speed calculates out to 55 mph the change
> in
> momentum is influenced by a five mile per hour difference. That long
> prop
> soaks up a lot of torque just to spin it at speed and you are getting
> very
> little thrust out of it at 50 mph. As I see it, due to the aircraft
> passing
> through the air, the effective pitch to produce thrust is greatly
> reduced.
>
> By cutting the prop, one reduces the propeller drag component and
> torque
> requirement. This lets you increase propeller pitch to get a higher
> momentum difference across the propeller at speed and this lets the
> plane
> fly faster. Some one told me that every plane, engine, and propeller
>
> combination has its own sweet spot, and I believe I have come close
> to it.
Jack,
Your message has inspired further thinking wrt prop efficiency, so
thank you. I'm thinking things are different than what you've
suggested above, altho I am just an armchair aerodynamic buff. A few
points from my conception of this:
1. I've generally heard of prop tip rotational speed more than
"forward tip speed" wrt prop efficiency. Forward tip speed does seem
useful in picturing thrust made by the propellor disk, but that is also
easily measured with a spring scale and tether in a static ground test.
The trade-off here is a small disk (or air column) being moved at a
high velocity relative to airplane speed versus a large disk/column
being moved at a smaller (but still positive) speed relative to the
airplane.
In every case I've ever heard of, a larger disk generates more thrust.
However, this too must have some upper limit as the airplane's speed
increases, because, as the disk (prop diameter) gets bigger, at some
point the prop pitch angle must be reduced or the engine will not have
enf torque to spin fast enf to generate full power, and as well, one
could reach the point of prop pitch flat enf that even at full or
cruise power rpm, the pitch and prop's lift would be inadequate to
increase airplane speed -- even if the plane itself had zero drag.
2. Generally, prop efficiency includes a consideration of rotational
tip speed, and as I recall, Mach .75 - .80 is close to ideal. As you
reduce prop diameter, you reduce rotational tip speed. I ran a quick
spreadsheet last night at home and it shows our props are well under
Mach .75. I think 5200rpm, 60" prop diam, and 2.58 reduction ratio is
something like Mach 0.5. (I can send the spreadsheet on the off chance
that someone wants it, altho it is simple to generate anyway.) So,
another way to get more efficient would be to reduce the reduction
ratio, thereby speeding up the prop -- the engine HP and torque
requirement is not changed. Down side is greater prop noise
--especially as one approaches Mach 1, and greater sensitivy to prop
imbalance issues, not to mention lesser availability of different ratio
redrives. Still, I've often wondered what it would be like to fly
something closer to a 2.2 reduction ratio. :)
3. Cutting the prop diameter doesn't necessarily reduce prop drag. It
reduces wetted area, but generally, shorter wings (or props) have a
lower lift/drag ratio. This is because induced drag is, in part, due
to tip losses (vortexes), which are a smaller percentage of total drag
as the wing gets longer (higher aspect ratio, like a glider). Induced
drag also increases with pitch angle (and lift), so the smaller
diameter prop with higher pitch (aka angle of attack), could very well
have higher drag than a larger diameter prop. I think it is the higher
thrust of large diameter props, more than drag per se, that requires
more engine torque.
4. Increased prop diameter (and/or mass) increases the angular momentum
of the prop, but that doesn't have any real bearing on horsepower or
torque requirement. In this issue, forget about the aerodynamics --
assume lift and drag are zero -- i.e. Mars. A half HP engine could
spin the prop at 5000rpm, even direct drive. ...might take it a while
to spin up (or slow down) but it would get there. :)
One of the practical considerations advertised in this area is that
Powerfin is very proud of their low propellor mass, and further, that
it is concentrated nearer the inside of the prop blades. Both of these
result in low angular momentum of the prop. Advantage? Less inertia
transmitted back through the gearbox. They at least used to make this
comparison to the Warp props, which, as solid carbon fiber, have
comparatively high mass and more of it further out the blade radii. Of
course in doing this, Warp is able structurally to have a very narrow
chord, high aspect ratio, high lift prop. :)
Back to flying ----
I changed from my Powerfin 60" back to my Warp 66" on Saturday. My
Powerfin had been pitched about 10deg,20min, and I pitched the Warp a
little flatter -- 10deg,10min. I only flew an abbreviated test due to
rain starting, and clowning around with a surprise motor glider
companion. But, it appears that I was getting equal or nearly equal
climb rate, and 5-6mph better cruise as compared to the same conditions
and cruise rpm on the Powerfin. More testing is required to confirm
this.
Open to comments -- I'm sure I've botched some of this.
-Ben Ransom
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Thanks to all of you, especially Kip who did the work. That is pretty much what
I was looking for. I'll be sending my stuff to Kip off line.
Thom in Buffalo
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
Paul,
Thanks for point that out!
Question for Don, is this the same engine you were telling me about?
This would do a FF, but weight???
Awesome! I love it.
Dennis
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From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Briggs in the air
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Kolbers,
> I was looking up some info on a HI-MAX air plane for a friend and ran
across this.
>
> This you gotta see.
>
> http://www.isonaircraft.com/gallery/petersson.htm
>
> pp
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi All:
Picked this up in today's FAA Data Briefs:
http://www2.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_0217_N.txt
Scroll down to Record No. 2.
This is a Genesis. Do not know what it is powered with other than
Rotax.
Airworthiness Certificate 061403. Hasn't been flying a year.
Guy is from Mississippi. Must have been flying the Islands. Ditched
a mile off shore.
Don't want my airplane to get all that saltwater on it. Thanks. I'll
be happy to read about you alls flights over there next summer.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
To all/any who may have rec'd a msg with a virus from me....well, dang,
I don't know who coulda done it. I use Macs who usually don't get a
virus, and my ISP culls out some 75-80 spam/scam/virus mgs a day before
I get them. I do have a lot of basturds using my name/add taken from my
web page. I rarely send an attachment except an occasional pix--and
never without some text.
Bob N.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Dennis/All:
That was the question I had for Paul P. Wondered how much it weighed.
Also wonder if the builders may be stretching those horses a little.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Dennis..and gang...
No Dennis..that is not the new briggs Vanguard. I called the briggs eastern
rep last week, and she told me it is not here yet!(the new 898cc
engine)..although they expect a container soon. The main prob is...the OEMS
are quickly speaking up for all that will be on it for test samples and she
wasnt sure if there would be any avail for the re-power market, which is
industry lingo for resale to consumers.
It looks to me like that engine on that MiniMax is an old version that that
german fella sold and promoted. It is not anywhere near 38 horse power. In
its stock form it is 18 and 20...and from all I have heard..they might be
making 30 now. But they do say its durable..which I believe entirely.
BTW..the new one will weigh 123 lbs and be rated at 28 hp @3600, and a
liquid cooled Vanguard will soon be following rated at 33hp..also 123 lbs.
both 898cc's
Are you getting close on that FireFly rebuild job Dennis? IF you are...I
might loan ya a 670L to test out on it..I was thinking about it on my
Fly..but lost my nerve!
BTW....I wonder if you might go to my website and check out the pics I put
up a few minutes ago.They are pics of my single strut adaptation I have
tack-welded together for the FireFly. Any comments you might have or
thoughts I would certainly like to hear. Particularly since at this stage it
is still just tacked up for fit!
here is a link to the strut page..
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/strut_mod.htm
Also I posted pics of my wing gap on the mods page for any who need more
headroom....if anybody wants to see how I got some.
Any and all comments from the readers here are certainly welcome....no
matter what ya think..I want to hear.
I assure you all..I wont cuss ya..argue or debate anything anyone
says....But I might change something if someone makes a good case!
(and if I dont..and I crash ..you will have the satisfaction of knowing that
my thoughts as I was decending were.."I should have done what you
suggested!)
I also might add..that I have a rear soft enclosure as supplied by the old
Kolb company..and I like it an awful lot...any who dont know what they look
like can see it on the enclosure page.
Thx men...dont hold back now~!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yah, I got one, too, have NOT opened it, cause it's got spam type wording in
it, and the .exe attachment. I just emailed the address it came from,
asking about it. Be careful, guys. Lar. Do
not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Be careful what you click on
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> Semi-Kolb related heads up -
>
> Just a few minutes ago I got two e-mails from two of our listers - but not
> really.
>
> Somebody on the list that has CaptainRon & the Grey Baron in their address
> books has a virus, because I just got a purported message from each of
them >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I couldn't open it, John. Anyone else have that problem ?? I opened
several other attachments in the last few minutes, (no, not the bad one) and
had no problems with 'em. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Pic
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Folks:
>
> This is a big part of Kolbs, flying:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202003/Boyd%20Young's%20Mk%20III.jpg
>
> This is Boyd Young of Salt Lake City, Utah, some where over Monument
> Valley. This picture shows the technique required to fly a stock MK
> III from the left seat: right hand on stick and left hand across the
> thighs on the throttle. I think that is what his left hand is on.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> PS: I think this is a Larry Bourne photo, or one of us out in the
> valley last year took it.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Hokay..........Will Uribe straightened me out on it. Thanks, Will. Yup,
that's a Big Lar pic, taken from Miss P'fer. Nice ride, that was......thank
you, John. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Pic
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Folks:
>
> This is a big part of Kolbs, flying:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV%202003/Boyd%20Young's%20Mk%20III.jpg
>
>
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required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
hey guys I have seen this for some time now, and don't think it has flown
yet. as I have a stock ultrastar and a a0-84 military surplus engine powered
minimax, if you are looking for a 40 H.P. 4-stroke the engine in my max is a
great alternitive!.
http://photos.yahoo.com/rwehba
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From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Briggs in the air
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Kolbers,
> I was looking up some info on a HI-MAX air plane for a friend and ran
across this.
>
> This you gotta see.
>
> http://www.isonaircraft.com/gallery/petersson.htm
>
> pp
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Larry/All:
Try Internet Explorer. Works for me.
john h
PS: I took that shot after departure from MV for Rainbow Bridge at
Lake Powell. Had a brain fart after I sent the original post.
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