Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:57 AM - Re: electric start (Sandy Hegyi)
2. 06:31 AM - Re: Facet Fuel Pump (Denny Rowe)
3. 07:59 AM - Dennis Souder,Briggs and Daihatsu (artdog1512)
4. 08:33 AM - Indicator (Terry)
5. 10:21 AM - Netscape Search (Bob Bean)
6. 10:28 AM - airboat (Bob Bean)
7. 10:57 AM - transition training (Pat Lavigne)
8. 02:38 PM - Re: Batteries (Richard Harris)
9. 03:50 PM - Re: Batteries (Larry Bourne)
10. 05:44 PM - Re: Facet Fuel Pump (Steven Green)
11. 06:04 PM - Re: Starter trouble (Scott Olendorf)
12. 06:23 PM - Re: Starter trouble (Richard Harris)
13. 07:30 PM - Re: Starter trouble (ActionCrane@aol.com)
14. 08:35 PM - 582 Ebox MKIII and prop advise (GDay@mycingular.com)
15. 08:41 PM - Re: Facet Fuel Pump (John Hauck)
16. 08:48 PM - Re: Starter trouble (John Hauck)
17. 08:52 PM - Re: 582 Ebox MKIII and prop advise (John Hauck)
18. 08:57 PM - Re: Prop Pitch (DAquaNut@aol.com)
19. 10:52 PM - Re: 582 Ebox MKIII and prop advise (Christopher Armstrong)
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| Subject: | Re: electric start |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Sandy Hegyi" <sandyh@dccnet.com>
Thanks Richard I guess I'm just going to have to give Kodiak a call and
see what they have to say. Thanks again for your Help.
Sandy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: electric start
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> Sandy, you really got me in the books on this one, and what an eye opener!
>
> You must have a newer catalog, my old 1995 CPS catalog really does show
> part # 852-370 for the 447, 503 and 532, and also says it is 25mm or 1"
> high. BUT the 2003 Lockwood catalog says that spacer is .89" tall, and is
> only for the 503, not the 532. Lockwood says use the #852-372 spacer for
> the 532. BUT my 1994 LEAF catalog says to use the #852-374 spacer for the
> 532. And unfortunately, the Kodiak Research webpage with the .pdf parts
> catalog (which ought to be the final answer) does not list the 532
> application for the accessory starter. (page 186) In fact they don't even
> list the 532 at all... anywhere...
>
> What you need to be careful of is how long your ring gear bolts are and
> where does the ring gear end up. If the bolts are too long, (because the
> spacer is too thin) they will go to far into the mag and hit the coils on
> the 532. Aside from that, obviously the the ring gear and the starter
> bendix have to be spaced right.
>
> If you can get the starter to fit at the 6 0'clock position, you don't
need
> to cut anything, there is already a cutout there. If you need to cut a
slot
> at the 12, 3 or 6 o'clock positions, contact LEAF. The old LEAF catalog
has
> a blurb about contacting them for further instructions for making those
> cuts, maybe they can help you.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
>
>
> At 02:31 PM 2/19/04 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Sandy Hegyi" <sandyh@dccnet.com>
> >
> >Hi Richard
> >Thanks for your response but my CPS catalog shows the 377,477,503 needing
a
> >.886 inch spacer and the 53d2 needing a 1.017 inch spacer. They also
> >mention a square relief hole to allow for the bendix drive gear. and
> >instructions would be provided in the kit. Anyone have those
instructions?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Sandy
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
> >To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: electric start
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
> > >
> > > Sandy, according to a CPS catalog, the Rotax electric starter fits all
the
> > > different Rotax engines, the difference is in an adapter/spacer that
fits
> > > between the starter gear and the flywheel.
> > >
> > > The 277FA, 377, 447, and 532 all use the same spacer except that the
532
> >is
> > > only for serial #'s before 3549852. Those all use Rotax part #
852-370,
> > > which is 1" high.
> > >
> > > For 532's after serial # 3549852 and 582's w/o the liquid dampener,
use
> > > Rotax spacer # 852-374, which is 7/8" high.
> > >
> > > For 582's with the liquid dampener, use Rotax adapter #852-378 which
is
> > > 3/4" high.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > > Richard Pike
> > > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> > >
> > > At 10:17 AM 2/13/04 -0800, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Sandy Hegyi" <sandyh@dccnet.com>
> > > >
> > > >Does anyone have any instructions on how to fit an electric start on
to a
> > > >532? Will the starter off a 503 work?
> > > >
> > > >Thanks
> > > >
> > > >Sandy
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Facet Fuel Pump |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Fuel Pump
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Giovanni..
>
> I am using a mikuni up close to the engine...with a facet down below the
> tank...all in one line...I start it after letting the facet run fer a
> bit...then turn it off...make sure the Mikunin is working, then usually
turn
> on the Facet during takeoffs and landings...and generally not running it
> while cruiseing....Uhh..unless I forget to turn it off after takeoff and
> climbout!!!!
>
> Don Gherardini
> FireFly 098
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
> Giovanni, Don, others,
I have the same set up as Don on my Mk-3 and operate it the same way.
Just make sure you get the lowest pressure Facet pump, they have several
differant ones.
Fly safe,
Denny Rowe
Mk-3, 2SI 690L-70, PA.
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| Subject: | Dennis Souder,Briggs and Daihatsu |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: artdog1512 <nazz57@yahoo.com>
> Dennis
>
> i don't know about this Briggs engine on a FF, i
> think there would be a CG problem ...... tim
> do not archive>>>>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder"
<flykolb@pa.net>
Tim,
I agree 100% - I don't know about it on a FF either.
Neither do I know
what
it weighs.>>>>
if you look at engines such as
Kohler,Briggs,Onan,etc. you find that relative to
their hp rating they weigh too much for most single
seat UL's and they don't have enough hp for 2
seaters.....
But I am certain it could be lightened some by
getting rid
of
some of the sheet metal. >>>>>
well you could do that but then - how would you
cool this thing? i doubt if "free air" would be
sufficient. you would have to have an oil cooler
too....
Ever since I saw Sandy Hudson fly his "Hudson
Thing" powered by 2 out-of-the-box Brigs engines I
have had this
lingering
fascination with putting them to use in an
aircraft.>>>>>
obviously your not alone. i'm sure everybody would
love to have a Briggs,Honda,Kohler or whatever.
however, i doubt if anyone would go into business
converting such engines for aircraft use anyway... the
engine manufacturers would sue you "into the dirt". of
course, there's no law against a private citizen doing
it.
reminds me of that guy Leon Davis who built that
all aluminum plane that goes about 120 mph on a 28 or
so hp Briggs engine. he said that he received a letter
from Briggs's lawyers telling him that if he "goes
into production" using Briggs engines they will "sue
him for all that he's got"!
FYI - many of those Briggs engines,including the
new ones, are not manufactered by Briggs, their
manufactered in Japan by Daihatsu. Briggs, like many
other manufacterers, are outsourcing production
overseas... tim
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Jack,
I'm always fascinated by the devices you come up with to check on your
modifications. I'm thinking I could have used your indicator when I
was messing with changing my angle of incidence of the horizontal stab
on my FireFly. I was and am still going by feel and performance of
the plane. At least now I don't have to hold forward on the stick at
cruise or have my flaperons deflected to compensate. You indicator
would have helped to document the change.
Good work,
Terry - FireFly #95
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
If you want a good package deal , Great Plains ac has a good package here.
No brains required and hey maybe with some kolb wings????????
http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=vw+aircraft+engines&page=1&offset=1&result_url=redir?src=websearch&requestId=c9703bfd7cb31e45&clickedItemRank=1&userQuery=vw+aircraft+engines&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greatplainsas.com%2F&invocationType=-&fromPage=NSCPResults&remove_url=http://www.greatplainsas.com/
<http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=vw+aircraft+engines&page=1&offset=1&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26amp%3BrequestId%3Dc9703bfd7cb31e45%26amp%3BclickedItemRank%3D1%26amp%3BuserQuery%3Dvw%2Baircraft%2Bengines%26amp%3BclickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.greatplainsas.com%252F%26amp%3BinvocationType%3D-%26amp%3BfromPage%3DNSCPResults&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greatplainsas.com%2F>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Sorry guys, click on airboat -BB do not archive
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| Subject: | transition training |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Pat Lavigne" <pjl53@hotmail.com>
It's worth the trip to the New Kolb factory in London, KY.
to get transition training in their Kolbra. It's basically the same
configuration as the Firestar.
I am a GA pilot and went from flying a Grumman TR2 with a 160hp engine to a
firestar with a 447 Rotax. 40hp. I wouldn't attempt to fly the Firestar
without the training.
Just contact the New Kolb Aircraft Co. and try and set something up.
There GREAT people to work with.
Regards,
Pat LaVigne FS driver in Rochester,N.Y.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Lar, Take a look at. batteries4everything.com They have Batteries for
everything...go figure
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Batteries
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> This was for a different need, Ed. That little 4 ah gel cell is still
going
> strong, and is handy for long term powering of my camera, as well as the
> GPS, intercom, etc, but I can't remember the name of the guy who sent it
to
> me. My camper's so-called deep cycle battery is getting a little weak,
and
> I want to go to 2 - 6 volt golf cart batteries. Lots of golf cart dealers
> here in Golfer's Heaven, but they don't give a hoot for small sales like
> mine. I slipped a disc in my back a few weeks ago, and am
> only now getting to where I can work on Vamoose (or anything else) again.
> Tomorrow, I'm going to repair a brake fluid leak and pressure bleed the
> brakes, and start getting it ready. Not too much to do now. How
> are things going with you back in sunny Florida ?? Aren't you glad you
> don't live up in the North East area ?? What a winter ! ! !
> Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Batteries
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski"
> <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Lar,
> > Have you looked at the little 7 amp/hour gel-cells at the R/C
> hobby stores? Can
> > be mounted in any position, take auto-style flat connectors, last a long
> time on a charge.
> > Cheep, too!
> > How's the progress?
> >
> > Ed in JXN
> > MkII/503
> >
> > Do not archive.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> > To: <Kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Batteries
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> > >
> > > A couple (or several) years ago, a Kolb List-er from (I think) the
> mid-west, or the
> > East, sold me a little motorcycle battery to power my GPS, etc. Now, I
> need your help
> > again. Could you please email me off List ?? Thanks.
> Lar.
> > Do not Archive.
> > >
> > > Larry Bourne
> > > Palm Springs, CA
> > > Building Kolb Mk III
> > > N78LB Vamoose
> > > www.gogittum.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Huh ?? Do they have batteries for EVerything ?? :-) I'll
take'n a look at'm. Thanks Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Batteries
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris"
<rharris@magnolia-net.com>
>
> Lar, Take a look at. batteries4everything.com They have Batteries for
> everything...go figure
>
> Richard
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Batteries
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> > This was for a different need, Ed. That little 4 ah gel cell is still
> going
> > strong, and is handy for long term powering of my camera, as well as the
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| Subject: | Re: Facet Fuel Pump |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steven Green" <kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
I am using a mikuni up close to the engine...with a facet down below the
tank...all in one line...I start it after letting the facet run fer a
bit...then turn it off...make sure the Mikunin is working, then usually turn
on the Facet during takeoffs and landings...and generally not running it
while cruiseing....Uhh..unless I forget to turn it off after takeoff and
climbout!!!!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
Don and all,
I have my facet plumbed parallel to the pulse pump as recommended by Rotax
and use it to fill the carbs before the initial start of the day. ( I empty
the float bowls post flight unless I know I will be flying within a week or
two.) I do not run my facet pump at all after that. The most probable time
for an accident is during take-off or landing. I don't like the thought of
being in a damaged aircraft with an electric fuel pump running and squirting
fuel everywhere. I plan to install an inertia switch (one that fits a 96
Taurus will work well) in the electric pump circuit to open the circuit to
the pump in the event of an accident, then I will run the pump on take-off
and landing. BTW I have a fuel pressure indication and alarm on my EIS so I
should get an alarm a few seconds before the engine quits from a failed
pulse pump.
Steven G.
Mk III 582
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| Subject: | Re: Starter trouble |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Scott Olendorf" <solendor@nycap.rr.com>
I was thinking that maybe next time you can stick them in place with some
melted wax. Then when the engine gets hot the wax will melt away.
What do you guys think about this idea? If it sounds this simple there must
be something wrong with it.
Scott Olendorf
Firestar, Rotax 447 and Powerfin prop.
Schenectady, NY
http://home.nycap.rr.com/firestar
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ActionCrane@aol.com
> I have taken my starter apart and there are a bunch of little roller
>bearings that roll up these little ramps and squeeze the shaft to start the
>engine. When it starts the shaft turns faster than the starter was turning
it and
>it
>outruns the roller bearings. When I took it apart the only way I could see
>to keep all those bearings in place to put it back together, was to stick
them
>
>in place with grease. I wonder if the grease is too heavy to let the
rollers
>move like they need to.
>
> Steve Henry
> Nampa, Idaho
> Firestar/377
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| Subject: | Re: Starter trouble |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Steve, Back in the old Dirt Bike days, we use-ta put wrist pin bearings up
with Vaseline, quick as a little heat got to it, it was gone...Everything
else still in place...
My 3 cents worth...
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Olendorf" <solendor@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Starter trouble
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Scott Olendorf" <solendor@nycap.rr.com>
>
> I was thinking that maybe next time you can stick them in place with some
> melted wax. Then when the engine gets hot the wax will melt away.
>
> What do you guys think about this idea? If it sounds this simple there
must
> be something wrong with it.
>
> Scott Olendorf
> Firestar, Rotax 447 and Powerfin prop.
> Schenectady, NY
> http://home.nycap.rr.com/firestar
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ActionCrane@aol.com
>
> > I have taken my starter apart and there are a bunch of little roller
> >bearings that roll up these little ramps and squeeze the shaft to start
the
> >engine. When it starts the shaft turns faster than the starter was
turning
> it and
> >it
> >outruns the roller bearings. When I took it apart the only way I could
see
> >to keep all those bearings in place to put it back together, was to
stick
> them
> >
> >in place with grease. I wonder if the grease is too heavy to let the
> rollers
> >move like they need to.
> >
> > Steve Henry
> > Nampa, Idaho
> > Firestar/377
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Starter trouble |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ActionCrane@aol.com
I appreciate all the input. I got my starter fixed and went flying today and
it works perfectly. It needed a new $12 one way clutch bearing. when the
bearing is not all worn out all those little roller bearing don't even try to fall
out. thanks again.
Steve Henry
FS/377
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| Subject: | 582 Ebox MKIII and prop advise |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "GDay@mycingular.com" <GDay@mycingular.com>
I need some help. I purchased an e box with 3.47:1 for a 503 I was going to put
on the MKIII. I found a deal on a BH 582 new and purchased it. No GB. Now I discover
I cannot put a large enough 3 blade prop on the 582 e box combo. All that
to ask what ratio and prop most are running on a 582? Thanks
Giovanni Day
MKIII
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Facet Fuel Pump |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|I do not run my facet pump at all after that. The most probable time
| for an accident is during take-off or landing. I don't like the
thought of
| being in a damaged aircraft with an electric fuel pump running and
squirting
| fuel everywhere. | Steven G.
Hi Steve G/Gang:
When you turn off your master switch, does that not turn off the
electric fuel pump?
If one has the time and forethought, good idea to kill the master
before impact. Cuts down on the chances of an electrical spark
igniting spilled fuel.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Starter trouble |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|It needed a new $12 one way clutch bearing. | Steve Henry
Steve/All:
Where did you get the bearing?
john h
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Ebox MKIII and prop advise |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Now I discover I cannot put a large enough 3 blade prop on the 582 e
box combo. | Giovanni Day
Giovanni/Gang:
What diameter is large enough?
Just curious.. I had a 3 blade GSC wood and a 3 blade Warp, but can
not remember what diameter they were. Maybe 68" or 70" on a C Gear
Box.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
Group,
This may be a dumb question , But where do you check the pitch on an Ivo
prop, At the tip? Also what is the purpose of the 1/2 inch holes on both sides
of the gearbox on the 447. Does it hurt anything to leave them open. Im pretty
sure that is how the factory Firefly is set up.
Ed ( in Houston
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| Subject: | 582 Ebox MKIII and prop advise |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
Get a 4 blade prop, or 5 if you have to. Would look cool and is probably
cheaper then getting a new gearbox. You will have the quietest prop around.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
GDay@mycingular.com
Subject: Kolb-List: 582 Ebox MKIII and prop advise
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "GDay@mycingular.com" <GDay@mycingular.com>
I need some help. I purchased an e box with 3.47:1 for a 503 I was going to
put on the MKIII. I found a deal on a BH 582 new and purchased it. No GB.
Now I discover I cannot put a large enough 3 blade prop on the 582 e box
combo. All that to ask what ratio and prop most are running on a 582? Thanks
Giovanni Day
MKIII
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