Kolb-List Digest Archive

Sat 02/21/04


Total Messages Posted: 43



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     1. 01:42 AM - Re: Facet Fuel Pump (Steven Green)
     2. 04:06 AM - Re: 582 Ebox MKIII and prop advise (Dennis Souder)
     3. 04:14 AM - Re: Facet Fuel Pump (Kirk Smith)
     4. 06:07 AM - Re: 582 Ebox MKIII and prop advise (Airgriff2@aol.com)
     5. 07:25 AM - Outboard Rib Reinforcement (John Hauck)
     6. 07:39 AM - Inertial switch to kill power (Fackler, Ken)
     7. 07:47 AM - Re: Outboard Rib Reinforcement (John Hauck)
     8. 07:49 AM - Re: mod weight (ronnie wehba)
     9. 09:01 AM - Inertia switch (Paul Petty)
    10. 09:15 AM - Re: Inertia switch (Fackler, Ken)
    11. 09:30 AM - Re: Inertia switch (John Hauck)
    12. 09:38 AM - Re: Inertia switch (John Hauck)
    13. 10:23 AM - Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC? (Thom Riddle)
    14. 10:45 AM - Re: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC? (Olenik Aviation)
    15. 10:47 AM - Re: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC? (John Hauck)
    16. 11:00 AM - Re: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC? (John Hauck)
    17. 11:20 AM - Re: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC? (Olenik Aviation)
    18. 12:05 PM - Re: Inertia switch (Bob N.)
    19. 12:14 PM - Re: Facet Fuel Pump (Christopher Armstrong)
    20. 12:21 PM - Re: Inertia switch/ELT's (John Hauck)
    21. 12:21 PM - Re: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC?  (Thom Riddle)
    22. 12:23 PM - Re: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC? (John Hauck)
    23. 12:29 PM - KISS (John Hauck)
    24. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC? (John Hauck)
    25. 01:22 PM - Re: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC? (Olenik Aviation)
    26. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC? (Paul Petty)
    27. 04:50 PM - Re: 582 Ebox MKIII and prop advise (GDay@mycingular.com)
    28. 05:06 PM - Flap and Aileron hinge devations (GDay@mycingular.com)
    29. 05:12 PM - Re: Facet Fuel Pump (Steven Green)
    30. 05:31 PM - Re: Facet Fuel Pump (John Hauck)
    31. 07:29 PM - Re: Starter trouble (ActionCrane@aol.com)
    32. 07:57 PM - Re: Outboard Rib Reinforcement (garvelink)
    33. 08:02 PM - Re: Flap and Aileron hinge devations (Bob N.)
    34. 08:02 PM - Re: Starter trouble (John Hauck)
    35. 08:06 PM - Re: Outboard Rib Reinforcement (John Hauck)
    36. 08:08 PM - Re: Outboard Rib Reinforcement (G. T. Alexander, Jr.)
    37. 08:49 PM - MicroAir 760 (John Hauck)
    38. 08:51 PM - Loose Rivets (John Hauck)
    39. 08:58 PM - Re: MicroAir 760 (Bob N.)
    40. 09:09 PM - Re: MicroAir 760 (John Hauck)
    41. 09:28 PM - Re: MicroAir 760 (George Bass)
    42. 09:32 PM - Re: MicroAir 760 (George Bass)
    43. 09:48 PM - Re: Prop Pitch (Don Gherardini)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:42:03 AM PST US
    From: "Steven Green" <kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Facet Fuel Pump
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steven Green" <kolbdriver@bellsouth.net> When you turn off your master switch, does that not turn off the electric fuel pump? If one has the time and forethought, good idea to kill the master before impact. Cuts down on the chances of an electrical spark igniting spilled fuel. Take care, john h Yes, the master does kill everything I was afraid I might be short on forethought or not have the time at a time like that. Your comments have changed my thoughts on where I will install the inertia switch. I will now install it in the circuit for the master power solenoid. There it will kill all power in the event of an undesireable event. Steven G. BTW: I was able to shut down all power when I had the engine failure, but I was probably 500' AGL.


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    Time: 04:06:03 AM PST US
    From: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
    Subject: Re: 582 Ebox MKIII and prop advise
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net> Warning: an unclear question may invite a dumb question: Did you install the gear with the output shaft up (higher than the crankshaft) or down (lower than the crank shaft. If you don't want to answer this dumb question, then maybe you could say what prop size you had in mind? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: <GDay@mycingular.com> Subject: Kolb-List: 582 Ebox MKIII and prop advise > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "GDay@mycingular.com" <GDay@mycingular.com> > > I need some help. I purchased an e box with 3.47:1 for a 503 I was going to put on the MKIII. I found a deal on a BH 582 new and purchased it. No GB. Now I discover I cannot put a large enough 3 blade prop on the 582 e box combo. All that to ask what ratio and prop most are running on a 582? Thanks > > Giovanni Day > MKIII > > do not archive > >


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    Time: 04:14:25 AM PST US
    From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
    Subject: Re: Facet Fuel Pump
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com> that. Your comments have changed my thoughts on where I will > install the inertia switch. I will now install it in the circuit for the > master power solenoid. There it will kill all power in the event of an > undesireable event. Steve/all Just curious about where this enertia switch goes in the circuit. If it only is in the coil circuit for the master solenoid you will still have one side of the contacts on the solenoid hot and the lead from there to the battery hot . Keeping that lead as short as possible decreases the chances of it being shorted to ground or arcing in a crash. Adding extra covering over that will help even more. You probably are already aware of this but just wanted to mention it in case. Kirk


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    Time: 06:07:59 AM PST US
    From: Airgriff2@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 582 Ebox MKIII and prop advise
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com > > >> what ratio and prop most are running on a 582? Thanks >> >> Giovanni Day >> MKIII >> > On my MK3 with 618, I use e-box, 3:47 to 1, 72", 3 blade Warp. Very pleased. Bob Griffin


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    Time: 07:25:22 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Outboard Rib Reinforcement
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Good Morning Kolbers: Was trying to find some other info for Paul Petty, rivet sequence for attaching ribs to spar. While looking through my old MKIII supplemental drawings, came across this page: http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MK%20III%20Construction/Rib%20Reinforcement.jpg If it is not large enough, I will rescan and upload another to my index page. Please note the date Dennis Souder drew the plans and the wrote the instructions, 1990. I built my first MKIII wings in 1991 and the second set in 1992. I noticed one thing I did not do on my rib reinforments, the two extra rivets in the front and rear gussets. So far, this has not presented any problem. When I rebuilt the left wing in 2001, the front and rear gussets were just fine. Also note that: "These are not necessary for NORMAL flight loads with a properly handled and maintained wing." I emphsize "normal flight loads." My wings have experienced much more than normal flight loads during their travels. Especially the one in the back of the trailer from Muncho Lake, BC, to OSH, and finally hauck's holler, Alabama. Also note, where the holes are drilled and riveted. Maybe List Member Jim Gerken will rethink what he wrote about "my" useless modifications "filling the ribs with unnecessary holes, weakening them, adding weight for nothing." Please take into consideration, my airplane has not led a NORMAL life, and will not lead a normal life in the future. In these conditions, I want Miss P'fer to keep on doing the excellent job she has been doing all these years. She has proven to me, whether any one else agrees or not, that the rib mods are, indeed, doing what I wanted them to do. If you all need a larger picture to see the plan sheet more clearly, let me know. I also added another 10 mb to the 5 free ones Road Runner gave me for my personal web site. $10.00 a month is a small fee to try and help folks with their Kolbs. Take care, john h


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    Time: 07:39:14 AM PST US
    From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
    Subject: Inertial switch to kill power
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net> I think this idea of an inertial switch is interesting. But I have one concern that I'd be interested to hear comments about. Is it possible that an unexpected bump in the air could trip the switch? Even on days when the flying was pretty sweet, I've hit an occasional blammo that would rattle my teeth. -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Green" <kolbdriver@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Fuel Pump > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steven Green" <kolbdriver@bellsouth.net> > > When you turn off your master switch, does that not turn off the > electric fuel pump? > > If one has the time and forethought, good idea to kill the master > before impact. Cuts down on the chances of an electrical spark > igniting spilled fuel. > > Take care, > > john h > > > Yes, the master does kill everything > > I was afraid I might be short on forethought or not have the time at a > time like that. Your comments have changed my thoughts on where I will > install the inertia switch. I will now install it in the circuit for the > master power solenoid. There it will kill all power in the event of an > undesireable event. > > Steven G. > > BTW: I was able to shut down all power when I had the engine failure, but I > was probably 500' AGL. > >


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    Time: 07:47:21 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Outboard Rib Reinforcement
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> | index page. | john h Kolbers: I have unloaded a much larger scan of the rib reinforcement. I understand this modification is not included in the MKIII nor the Kolbra plans and instructions. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 07:49:45 AM PST US
    From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
    Subject: Re: mod weight
    required 5, BAYES_00, MIME_MISSING_BOUNDARY) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@rocketjet.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: mod weight > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@rocketjet.net> > > Ronnie, > > Give me a call, 352-307-9009 drive. There were a lot of little > things that made a big difference in handling. ...Richard Swiderski > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net> > > what did you do about the slop in the linkage, as mine has some not much > but > some? > > > > "garvelink" > > > > I flew an UltraStar hard & fast & sometimes heavy for about > > 350hrs. No aerobatics, if you don't count wingovers. Twice I went > > through some violent wing flutter (before I got rid of the control > > linkage slop & pin attatchment slop & inboard spar flex). It remained > a > > faithful & dependable friend. The only structural failures that I > know > > of were from impacting mother earth with not enough finesse. > ...Richard > > Swiderski > > > > Don, > > > > What about the Ultrastar? do you know if there have been any > structural > > failures? > > > > > > > == > == > == > == > >


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    Time: 09:01:52 AM PST US
    From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
    Subject: Inertia switch
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net> Kolbers, For what it's worth, I have an inertia in my hand and it trips pretty easy. I remember when these were made mandatory by the DOT for fuel injected cars. I was working for a Ford dealer at the time and we had a lot of customers that would "trip" the switch by hitting a pot hole. It was common when they first started using them but not common anymore. pp


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    Time: 09:15:37 AM PST US
    From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
    Subject: Re: Inertia switch
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net> This was my worry. So if I were to make a hard, bouncy landing and the engine were suddenly "off" because of this switch, I wouldn't have the option to use power to get things under control or to go around. I could even lose power by hitting a bad bump on summer day? -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net> Subject: Kolb-List: Inertia switch > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net> > > Kolbers, > For what it's worth, I have an inertia in my hand and it trips pretty easy. I remember when these were made mandatory by the DOT for fuel injected cars. I was working for a Ford dealer at the time and we had a lot of customers that would "trip" the switch by hitting a pot hole. It was common when they first started using them but not common anymore. > > pp > >


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    Time: 09:30:20 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Inertia switch
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> the | engine were suddenly "off" because of this switch, I wouldn't have the | option to use power to get things under control or to go around. I could | even lose power by hitting a bad bump on summer day? | | -Ken Fackler Ken/All: You will not shut down the engine by shutting off the master switch, if wired correctly, on electrical power, i.e., hot wires to cause sparks when crashing providing for ignition for spilled fuel. P Leads are grounded to kill ignition and shut down the engine. These are on seperate switches from the master switch. Master switch simply disconnects the continuous duty solenoid in the battery cable, isolating juice to the battery. I also have an alternator switch to disconnect the alternator from the main buss bar. Take care, john h


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    Time: 09:38:01 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Inertia switch
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> switch, | if wired correctly, on electrical power, i.e., hot wires to cause | sparks when crashing providing for ignition for spilled fuel. Kolbers: That paragraph sucks. Let me try again. That's what I get for not reading what I write. Master shuts down electrical power from the battery by disconnecting the master solenoid, a continuous duty device. This reduces chances of sparks from broken, shorted out wires, during and after the crash from igniting spilled fuel. P leads from ignition have to be grounded by the ignition switch(es). Not connected to master. john h


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    Time: 10:23:26 AM PST US
    From: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net> Does anyone having experience with the Bing 64 carbs, as on the Rotax 912 engines, know how and how well these carbs compensate for changes in density altitude? Do they work like the HAC kits on the Bing 54s on the 2 strokes? How high of a density altitude will they automatically compensate for? Any information regarding their experiences with these carbs, especially at high density altitudes, will be appreciated. Thom in Buffalo


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    Time: 10:45:40 AM PST US
    From: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
    Subject: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com> The Bing 64 sort of compensate for pressure changes by default because it is pressure, and not a cable, that actually raises the carb slide in them. So they do have a modest amount of compensation by default. Tom Olenik Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation. Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell...... (DO NOT USE THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR DIRECT E-MAIL. WE WILL NEVER SEE IT. USE THE ABOVE CONTACT INFORMATION TO CONTACT US DIRECTLY) -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Thom Riddle Subject: Kolb-List: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net> Does anyone having experience with the Bing 64 carbs, as on the Rotax 912 engines, know how and how well these carbs compensate for changes in density altitude? Do they work like the HAC kits on the Bing 54s on the 2 strokes? How high of a density altitude will they automatically compensate for? Any information regarding their experiences with these carbs, especially at high density altitudes, will be appreciated. Thom in Buffalo


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    Time: 10:47:59 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Rotax 912 engines, know how and how well these carbs compensate for changes in density altitude? | Thom in Buffalo Thom/All: Aug 1994, 13,500 feet, Rotax 912, MK III, still climbing and putting out power. May 2003, 14,500 feet, Rotax 912ULS, same MK III, still climbing and putting out power. Do not know if 912 carb operates like a HAC carb. Eric Tucker referred to the carbs as Constant Depression Carbs (CD). I have always, right or wrong, called them Constant Velocity Carbs (CV). The 912 carb is very similar in operation to the SU carbs used on Brit vehicles for many years. Also on my 1960 and 61 Volvo PV544's. Had to put light machine oil in the reservoirs for dampening the pistons. john h


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    Time: 11:00:24 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> because it is | pressure, and not a cable, that actually raises the carb slide in them. So | they do have a modest amount of compensation by default. | | Tom Olenik Tom/All: Your post makes the 912 carb sound like it doesn't work well, "they do have a modest amount of compensation by default." I realize your Pappy has been talking about "his" HAC system for two stroke carbs, but................. I just hit the send button on a post based on "actual" flight experience with the Bing CD carb to 14,500 feet. Many other flights above 10,000. Not bragging on the Bing Carb, would much rather have a good electronic fuel injection system. I am not a mechanic/engineer/dealer. But I have seen them work and work well without user input to change jetting or set up. 1994 was a different story for the carbs on the 912 that were not the least bit happy at anything below cruise power, which is 5,000 rpm for me. As soon as I would back off cruise, at temps in the 30s and 40s, the engine felt it was coming out of the mounts. Shuddered and shook something frightening. The following winter, after some user experimentation and a lot more flight time, I discovered the 912S manufactured in late 1992 was tuned very lean in midrange. Any further leaning would invoke complaints from the engine. On the other hand, the 912S, manufactured late 1999, had since had the carb tuning changed. Never had any problems, right out of the box, with the 912S flying in the same geographical and meteorogical conditions. NOTE: My post is not to cause controversy. Simply expressing my point of view, for those that would think otherwise. :-) john h


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    Time: 11:20:30 AM PST US
    From: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
    Subject: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com> Exactly right. I just don't want to say that they compensate 100% for density altitude, because they don't. Just fot pressure, which is only one componenst of density altitude. Still, that will be enough for most common flying. Tom Olenik Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation. Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell...... (DO NOT USE THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR DIRECT E-MAIL. WE WILL NEVER SEE IT. USE THE ABOVE CONTACT INFORMATION TO CONTACT US DIRECTLY) -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> because it is | pressure, and not a cable, that actually raises the carb slide in them. So | they do have a modest amount of compensation by default. | | Tom Olenik Tom/All: Your post makes the 912 carb sound like it doesn't work well, "they do have a modest amount of compensation by default." I realize your Pappy has been talking about "his" HAC system for two stroke carbs, but................. I just hit the send button on a post based on "actual" flight experience with the Bing CD carb to 14,500 feet. Many other flights above 10,000. Not bragging on the Bing Carb, would much rather have a good electronic fuel injection system. I am not a mechanic/engineer/dealer. But I have seen them work and work well without user input to change jetting or set up. 1994 was a different story for the carbs on the 912 that were not the least bit happy at anything below cruise power, which is 5,000 rpm for me. As soon as I would back off cruise, at temps in the 30s and 40s, the engine felt it was coming out of the mounts. Shuddered and shook something frightening. The following winter, after some user experimentation and a lot more flight time, I discovered the 912S manufactured in late 1992 was tuned very lean in midrange. Any further leaning would invoke complaints from the engine. On the other hand, the 912S, manufactured late 1999, had since had the carb tuning changed. Never had any problems, right out of the box, with the 912S flying in the same geographical and meteorogical conditions. NOTE: My post is not to cause controversy. Simply expressing my point of view, for those that would think otherwise. :-) john h


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    Time: 12:05:02 PM PST US
    From: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
    Subject: Re: Inertia switch
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net> All ELTs have inertial switches, that can be "unarmed' or switched off. I've never seen /heard of an ELT sw arming without plane hitting hard--turbs don't seem to do it. Maybe I should have said "most," as I've never seen all ELTs. Bob N. do not archive


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    Time: 12:14:41 PM PST US
    From: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
    Subject: Facet Fuel Pump
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net> If this inertial switch turns off for any reason other then a crash then you are adding a very negative piece of gear that you really don't need. KISS (keep it simple stupid) is usually the best guideline for systems design in aircraft. You already have a master switch. It takes only the flick of a finger to kill all power in the system. Do you really need a device that turns all power off for you based on some inertial spike? What are the specs. for this device? How is it calibrated. Does it matter how it is mounted to determine what g level sets it off? What is the failure rate and mode. Do they fail on or off? Is it resetable? If you land out in a field hard (or hit some wicked turbulence) and set this thing off can you reset it and start up again and keep flying or takeoff again if there is minimal damage? All I can say is leave it on your bench and you're sure it won't cause you problems. Put it on the plane and now you have to know the answers to all these questions, and a bunch more I haven't thought of. Topher -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kirk Smith Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Fuel Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com> that. Your comments have changed my thoughts on where I will > install the inertia switch. I will now install it in the circuit for the > master power solenoid. There it will kill all power in the event of an > undesireable event. Steve/all Just curious about where this enertia switch goes in the circuit. If it only is in the coil circuit for the master solenoid you will still have one side of the contacts on the solenoid hot and the lead from there to the battery hot . Keeping that lead as short as possible decreases the chances of it being shorted to ground or arcing in a crash. Adding extra covering over that will help even more. You probably are already aware of this but just wanted to mention it in case. Kirk


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    Time: 12:21:34 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Inertia switch/ELT's
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> | | Bob N. Bob N/All: Amen, Brother! Gots to be careful about what you say and how you say it. hehehe I have never fired off the old Pointer I bought in 1991, in the air, but have on the ground. Either weak enertia switch or very hard landings or both. The old Point ELT was cheap back then, but the batteries are very expensive. Hope to update to one of the ELT's that uses D Cell batteries and save some money on annuals. john h


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    Time: 12:21:34 PM PST US
    From: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
    Subject: re: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net> Thanks for the information on your experiences....I'm a believer now. In fact the words "...moderate compensation..." triggered my original question. But....can anyone tell me how they work? I had the HAC kit on my old 582 and clearly understood how it worked. The engineer in me is just wanting to know if the Bing 64 uses the same sort of set-up but internal to or at least standard equipment with this carb. I know the HAC kit uses a single atmospheric pressure compensating bellows that connects to both carbs for equalized automatic adjustment. Since the two carbs on the 912 and the HKS 700 are not very close together and do not utilize a common air filter, I was wondering how they worked. I could not find a detailed and/or illustrated picture on the Bing website is why I asked this group. Any more details of its function? I know curiosity killed the cat but I can't help it. Thom in Buffalo


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    Time: 12:23:22 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> for | density altitude, because they don't. Just fot pressure, which is only one | componenst of density altitude. Still, that will be enough for most common | flying. | | Tom Olenik Tom/All: How well does Gerry's HAC system do for compensation? I never had a chance to use the system Rotax was selling back in the 80's. Really did not need it as most of my flying was rather low. john h


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    Time: 12:29:16 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: KISS
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> All I can say is leave it on your bench and you're sure it won't | cause you problems. | Topher Topher/All: See, we do agree on something. :-) I certainly believe in KISS principle. I had forgotten how nice it was to fly the Ultrastar, before the days of radios, GPS, and brakes. Lost the GPS on a flight to OSH out of Kankakee, IL. Started navigating pilotage and DED reckoning. Immediately forgot about ground speed, getting in a hurry, etc. Was nice to fly along with air speed, mag compass, and sectional. On approach to Jolliet for fuel, the GPS decided it was time to acquire satelites, and I was navigating again by satelite. :-) john h DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 12:40:04 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: re: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> The engineer in me is just wanting to know if the Bing 64 uses the same sort of set-up but internal to or at least standard equipment with this carb. | Thom in Buffalo Thom/All: Get that engineer out of ya and you will feel a lot better. Eric Tucker explained the full function of the Bing 64 during the 912 School. Since Paul Petty was also there, and he is my junior (in age), I will let him explain the operation of the Bing 64 Constant Depression Carburator. Or, ............ you can go to the Kodiak web site and download a 912 shop manual. There is an explanation in there. Or, if you can not find it on the Kodiak Research web site, let me know and I will scan that portion of the maintenance manual for you. In layman's terms: The carb measures static pressure at the end of the float bowl chamber static port tube. Another pressure port on the lip of the carb throat measures static pressure there. Another system measures the amount of airflow through the throat of the carb. The piston with fuel needle attached is raised and lowered by the differences in pressure to meter the correct amount of fuel through the main jet and needle jet. The Bing CD carb uses a butterfly throttle valve behind the piston (similar to the 2 stroke carb). Not too technical, but maybe you can get on my level and understand. :-) Take care, john h


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    Time: 01:22:18 PM PST US
    From: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
    Subject: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com> John, Actually, I was the first to have a conversion kit and dad copied me after seeing how many I was selling. :-) However, the kit works the same and uses pretty much the same compensator as the one Rotax sold except we covert your old carburetors instead of buying new ones. We just give you want you need. Rotax wanted to sell it as a complete package with the carbs.... poor marketing if you ask me. I've sold more of them in the last year than Rotax probably sold in 10 years. The kit compensates for both pressure and temperature. We normally use it for protecting against atmospheric changes from day to do or season to season. You know, my dad did have a piston seizure on an engine just from a day to day density altitude change of several thousand feet. It was an cool (rare) August morning and he had jetting for hot summer days in the 503. Totaled the blue Micro Mong on that one. Was lucky to stumble away with just a few stiches and a sprained ankle. Now, there is some limit to the compensation. Since the adjustment is done by a diaphragm expanding and contracting connected to a needle, there is only so far the diaphragm can expand and contract and as it reaches close to that limit, it will loose it's adjustment effectiveness. This range depends on who's kit you buy. I should say that the compensator as it comes from Bing is not EXACTLY the same as it was when Rotax made thier kits. We have to change some things which, exactly what is proprietary information. Basically, the compensator will not work right without these changes. My dad and I do it a little differently, but with my kit the lower edge of the adjustment range is a little below sea level and the upper part of the range is somewhere between 18,000 - 20,000 feet. I've never flown that high, so it's theoretical. That is also density altitude. Keep in mind that your density altitude can be extremely different from your physical altitude by several thousand feet. It's mostly handy for the seasonal changes, like I said. While I am perfrectly capable of changing needle clip positions or main jets, I don't want to be out there with a screwdriver, 10mm wrench and 8mm wrench in 20F weather fumbling around with jets with 20F gasoline on my unprotected fingers. I want to just get in and go. So the HAC works nicely for that. Tom Olenik Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation. Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell...... (DO NOT USE THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR DIRECT E-MAIL. WE WILL NEVER SEE IT. USE THE ABOVE CONTACT INFORMATION TO CONTACT US DIRECTLY) -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> for | density altitude, because they don't. Just fot pressure, which is only one | componenst of density altitude. Still, that will be enough for most common | flying. | | Tom Olenik Tom/All: How well does Gerry's HAC system do for compensation? I never had a chance to use the system Rotax was selling back in the 80's. Really did not need it as most of my flying was rather low. john h


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    Time: 01:28:02 PM PST US
    From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
    Subject: Re: re: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC?
    required 4.6, BAYES_00 -4.90) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net> Yeah, what he said...... Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: Bing 64 - Auto leaning like HAC? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > > The engineer in me is just wanting to know if the Bing 64 uses the > same sort of set-up but internal to or at least standard equipment > with this carb. | Thom in Buffalo > > Thom/All: > > Get that engineer out of ya and you will feel a lot better. > > Eric Tucker explained the full function of the Bing 64 during the 912 > School. Since Paul Petty was also there, and he is my junior (in > age), I will let him explain the operation of the Bing 64 Constant > Depression Carburator. > > Or, ............ you can go to the Kodiak web site and download a 912 > shop manual. There is an explanation in there. Or, if you can not > find it on the Kodiak Research web site, let me know and I will scan > that portion of the maintenance manual for you. > > In layman's terms: > > The carb measures static pressure at the end of the float bowl chamber > static port tube. > > Another pressure port on the lip of the carb throat measures static > pressure there. > > Another system measures the amount of airflow through the throat of > the carb. > > The piston with fuel needle attached is raised and lowered by the > differences in pressure to meter the correct amount of fuel through > the main jet and needle jet. > > The Bing CD carb uses a butterfly throttle valve behind the piston > (similar to the 2 stroke carb). > > Not too technical, but maybe you can get on my level and understand. > :-) > > Take care, > > john h > >


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    Time: 04:50:37 PM PST US
    From: "GDay@mycingular.com" <GDay@mycingular.com>
    Subject: Re: 582 Ebox MKIII and prop advise
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "GDay@mycingular.com" <GDay@mycingular.com> Gang, I do have the GB mounted up. The GB has the 3.47:1 ratio but It is new and I can exhange it for another if need be. I am looking at powerfin props and is looks as if I can only get a 68" to fit without spacers under the motor. The folks at powerfin say that anything less than 70 is not very effecient and I should look at changing the ratio to 3:1 or 2.67:1 and run the smaller prop. I just do not know. I cannot run a 4-5 blade prop as I need to fold the wings. Bob, can you send me a photo of your setup and let me know how you got it to fit? Thanks all Giovanni Day do not archive


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    Time: 05:06:30 PM PST US
    From: "GDay@mycingular.com" <GDay@mycingular.com>
    Subject: Flap and Aileron hinge devations
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "GDay@mycingular.com" <GDay@mycingular.com> hello gang, As anyone devated from the factory piano hinges for the flaps and ailerons on the MKIII C or similar? If so how and are there photos? Thanks Giovanni Day Do not archive


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    Time: 05:12:01 PM PST US
    From: "Steven Green" <kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Facet Fuel Pump
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steven Green" <kolbdriver@bellsouth.net> If this inertial switch turns off for any reason other then a crash then you are adding a very negative piece of gear that you really don't need. Reply: All automobiles with fuel injection (that know of) have inertia switches for the purpose I intend to use it. KISS (keep it simple stupid) is usually the best guideline for systems design in aircraft. You already have a master switch. It takes only the flick of a finger to kill all power in the system. Reply: I am probably not as quick to think and react as most others I am just afraid that if I were to stall at 30 - 40 feet AGL during a bad landing approach I would not think quickly enough to turn off the master. this is only one possibility of a quick accident. Do you really need a device that turns all power off for you based on some inertial spike? Reply: No. I just want it. What are the specs. for this device? How is it calibrated. Does it matter how it is mounted to determine what g level sets it off? Reply: My plane is an experimental. What is the failure rate and mode. Do they fail on or off? Is it resetable? Reply: Don't know. Don't know. And yes they reset with the push of a button. I plan to mount the switch within reach while seated and strapped in. If you land out in a field hard (or hit some wicked turbulence) and set this thing off can you reset it and start up again and keep flying or takeoff again if there is minimal damage? Reply: My engine will not quit running if the main power is off. All I can say is leave it on your bench and you're sure it won't cause you problems. Reply: And it won't give me any protection either. Put it on the plane and now you have to know the answers to all these questions, and a bunch more I haven't thought of. Again. My plane is an experimental. I am the manufacturer and tester of parts that go on it. I am also the test pilot. These are only my thoughts, I do not recommend this to any one. I am enjoying the thoughts and comments about it. One comment has caused me to change how I will put it in the system. Steven G.


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    Time: 05:31:38 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Facet Fuel Pump
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> am | enjoying the thoughts and comments about it. One comment has caused me to | change how I will put it in the system. | | Steven G. Steven G/All: Great response! I love it! That's why I like Steven Green. He is honest. I remember when we went round and round about post crash fires. Some wanted to build balistic resistant fuel systems. Some were going to build fuel tanks within fuel tanks. And on and on. I only know of one post crash fire in an ultralight, a RANS S-something, out in Texax many years ago that killed a husband and wife. Someone else knew of an UL accident that killed somebody else. Post crash fires are about as prevalent as fires in automobiles. They do happen, but not often. If you happen to be the one trapped in a burning aircraft, you will probably wish you had taken more precautions to survive. Take care, john h


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    Time: 07:29:55 PM PST US
    From: ActionCrane@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Starter trouble
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: ActionCrane@aol.com John, I was able to get it locally at Kaman Bearing. Steve H


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    Time: 07:57:40 PM PST US
    From: "garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
    Subject: Re: Outboard Rib Reinforcement
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "garvelink" <link@cdc.net> John, Thanks for the info either the link is down or incorrect because I can not get it to come up. I will try again in the morn. Srglink ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Outboard Rib Reinforcement > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > > Good Morning Kolbers: > > Was trying to find some other info for Paul Petty, rivet sequence for > attaching ribs to spar. While looking through my old MKIII > supplemental drawings, came across this page: > > http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MK%20III%20Construction/Rib%20Reinforcement .jpg > > If it is not large enough, I will rescan and upload another to my > index page. > > Please note the date Dennis Souder drew the plans and the wrote the > instructions, 1990. I built my first MKIII wings in 1991 and the > second set in 1992. I noticed one thing I did not do on my rib > reinforments, the two extra rivets in the front and rear gussets. So > far, this has not presented any problem. When I rebuilt the left wing > in 2001, the front and rear gussets were just fine. > > Also note that: "These are not necessary for NORMAL flight loads with > a properly handled and maintained wing." I emphsize "normal flight > loads." My wings have experienced much more than normal flight loads > during their travels. Especially the one in the back of the trailer > from Muncho Lake, BC, to OSH, and finally hauck's holler, Alabama. > > Also note, where the holes are drilled and riveted. Maybe List Member > Jim Gerken will rethink what he wrote about "my" useless modifications > "filling the ribs with unnecessary holes, weakening them, adding > weight for nothing." > > Please take into consideration, my airplane has not led a NORMAL life, > and will not lead a normal life in the future. In these conditions, I > want Miss P'fer to keep on doing the excellent job she has been doing > all these years. She has proven to me, whether any one else agrees or > not, that the rib mods are, indeed, doing what I wanted them to do. > > If you all need a larger picture to see the plan sheet more clearly, > let me know. > > I also added another 10 mb to the 5 free ones Road Runner gave me for > my personal web site. $10.00 a month is a small fee to try and help > folks with their Kolbs. > > Take care, > > john h > >


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    Time: 08:02:05 PM PST US
    From: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
    Subject: Re: Flap and Aileron hinge devations
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net> Somewhere, maybe on Kolblist archives, are a whole bunch of msgs abt aileron hinges. Some on X-type hinges. Dig into that. Couple of years ago... Bob N.


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    Time: 08:02:07 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Starter trouble
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> | Steve H Steve/Gang: That is good news. Many times one can go to the local bearing store, alternator/starter shop, etc., and get some parts much cheaper than through the aircraft suppliers. I have found this especially true with dirt bikes. Thanks for the info. jhn h DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 08:06:01 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Outboard Rib Reinforcement
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> | http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MK%20III%20Construction/Rib%20Reinforcement | .jpg Steve/All: The .jpg did not light up. Highlight the whole url and make sure the .jpg is on the end of it. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Aircraft%20Construction/Rib%20Reinforcement.jpg john h DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 08:08:22 PM PST US
    From: "G. T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
    Subject: Outboard Rib Reinforcement
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net> Try this one: http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Aircraft%20Construction/Rib%20Reinforcement .jpg -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of garvelink Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Outboard Rib Reinforcement --> Kolb-List message posted by: "garvelink" <link@cdc.net> John, Thanks for the info either the link is down or incorrect because I can not get it to come up. I will try again in the morn. Srglink


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    Time: 08:49:11 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: MicroAir 760
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Hi All: Anyone have or had experience with the Micro Air 760 VHF transceiver? I am interested. The radio of small, about 2.5" square and 5.5" deep. Can mount in 2.25" instrument hole or come up with your own. Has intercom built in for two with side tone. Thanks, john h


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    Time: 08:51:10 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Loose Rivets
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Hi All: I have some tail boom H brace rivets loosening up. Not many, but enough to feel it is time to correct. My H brace is alumnum. Nope, I did not design and fabricate it. I was stock on the first run of MK III's. Same for the wing H braces. Anyone have this problem and if so, how did you correct. Thanks, john h


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    Time: 08:58:49 PM PST US
    From: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
    Subject: Re: MicroAir 760
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net> John, I've seen on FLY-UL some guys have used MicroAir. Bob N.


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    Time: 09:09:13 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: MicroAir 760
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> | | Bob N. Thanks Bob: I am thinking seriously about upgrading from the ICOM A3 hand held to something that I may be able to hear and understand what is being said better. I have a really difficult time hearing other ULs and experimentals, but not usually controllers. The old King KX99 did me a good job for about 12 or 13 years, but maintenance got to the point that it took more to have it overhauled than it did to purchase initially. Maybe new ears would be cheaper. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 09:28:53 PM PST US
    From: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
    Subject: Re: MicroAir 760
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net> John; No real experience with the radio you asked about, but, from comments of a friend with one, he stated that it worked well, but was sometimes very hard to change frequencies, or adjust, while in the air, due to the small size of the controls. Apparently, he attempted to change in a little less than perfect air and had some difficulty doing so. George ---


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    Time: 09:32:10 PM PST US
    From: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
    Subject: Re: MicroAir 760
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net> John H; In my previous note regarding the MicroAir 760 I failed to mention that those comments from a friend where regarding his experience from the cockpit of his Dragonfly. He's now building a GlasAir, but, will NOT be using that radio in it. George ---


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    Time: 09:48:11 PM PST US
    From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
    Subject: Re: Prop Pitch
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net> Ed.. When I measure mine..for my own reference...I measure it 1 inch from the tip...at 11.5 deg the Cuyuna UL-II-02 will turn my 60' IVO 5900 static or so with a 2.58 gearbox...Runs out at 6300 IN FLight WOT..75 to 79 mph Don Gherardini FireFly 098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm




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