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1. 06:16 AM - Sun$Fun (Kirk Smith)
2. 06:50 AM - Sun & Fun Ultralight Arrival Procedure (John Hauck)
3. 07:08 AM - Re: Sun$Fun (Daniel Walter)
4. 07:08 AM - Re: Sun & Fun Ultralight Arrival Procedure (John Hauck)
5. 07:21 AM - Re: Sun$Fun (John Hauck)
6. 07:28 AM - Re: Sun$Fun (John Hauck)
7. 12:03 PM - Re: Verner 4 stroke (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
8. 12:25 PM - Re: Sun$Fun (Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com)
9. 12:44 PM - Re: Sun$Fun (John Hauck)
10. 12:56 PM - Re: Sun$Fun (John Hauck)
11. 01:02 PM - Re: Sun$Fun (Jack & Louise Hart)
12. 01:25 PM - Re: Sun$Fun (John Hauck)
13. 03:57 PM - Great Lakes Kolbers (Kirk Smith)
14. 04:34 PM - Re: Sun$Fun (WillUribe@aol.com)
15. 05:31 PM - Re: Sun & Fun Ultralight Arrival Procedure (dama)
16. 05:37 PM - Re: Sun$Fun (Don Gherardini)
17. 05:58 PM - Re: Sun & Fun Ultralight Arrival Procedure (Richard Pike)
18. 06:42 PM - Re: Sun & Fun Ultralight Arrival Procedure (John Hauck)
19. 08:36 PM - Re: Sun & Fun (possums)
20. 08:39 PM - sun n fun (Bob Bean)
21. 09:14 PM - Re: inertia switch (GeoR38@aol.com)
22. 09:31 PM - Re: fire in da hole (GeoR38@aol.com)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Anbody hear anything about this? Picked this post up on another board............
<<<<<"FWIW, anyone flying a 'Max to Sun-N-Fun might want to think twice. The management
has decided to inspect all UL's for strict compliance with part 103 rules.
Compliance is mandatory or NO TAKEOFF ALLOWED. Please note this is NOT the
FAA doing the inspections but rather some Nazi Brown shirt types weilding power.
All 2 seat trainers will be checked for weight, paper work, exemption, pilot
credentials, etc. Single seaters must be with 103 parameters.
Of course a corresponding check is NOT going to be imposed on GA aircraft UNLESS
it is an ultralight type aircraft. They will even be checking for gas tanks
over 5 gallons on singles. ">>>>
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| Subject: | Sun & Fun Ultralight Arrival Procedure |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
This is extracted from the FAA web page:
http://www.faa.gov/NTAP/NTAP04FEB19/AS04001.HTM
HELICOPTER AND ULTRALIGHT
ARRIVALS AND DEPARTURES
ULTRALIGHT ARRIVALS AND DEPARTURES
All arriving and departing ultralight vehicles shall enter and exit
from the south-southwest of the Lakeland Linder Regional Airport and
shall remain below 500 feet AGL, remaining west of the large airport
buildings. Be alert for helicopters arriving and departing at the same
altitudes just to the east of the area reserved for ultralight
operations. Radio equipped arriving aircraft monitor 119.25 until
north of the east/west road on the south airport boundary.
NORDO ultralight aircraft desiring to land at the ultralight grass
strip prior to April 10, 2004, must pre-coordinate arrival information
with the Lakeland Air Traffic Manager at (863) 648-3305.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Daniel Walter" <worrybear@paonline.com>
YES, There is an article in the Ultralight Flying Mag March issue. You may
find it at www.ultralightflying.com I hope it doesn't the ultralight area at
Sun&Fun too bad. But it does sound like you better not fly in unless you are
legal and have papers to prove it.
Dan Walter
Ultrastar, UL1102
Palmyra, PA
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From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Sun$Fun
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Anbody hear anything about this? Picked this post up on another
board............
> <<<<<"FWIW, anyone flying a 'Max to Sun-N-Fun might want to think twice.
The management has decided to inspect all UL's for strict compliance with
part 103 rules. Compliance is mandatory or NO TAKEOFF ALLOWED. Please note
this is NOT the FAA doing the inspections but rather some Nazi Brown shirt
types weilding power. All 2 seat trainers will be checked for weight, paper
work, exemption, pilot credentials, etc. Single seaters must be with 103
parameters.
>
> Of course a corresponding check is NOT going to be imposed on GA aircraft
UNLESS it is an ultralight type aircraft. They will even be checking for gas
tanks over 5 gallons on singles. ">>>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun & Fun Ultralight Arrival Procedure |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
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| http://www.faa.gov/NTAP/NTAP04FEB19/AS04001.HTM
| ULTRALIGHT ARRIVALS AND DEPARTURES
Good Morning All:
In addition, here is the diagram of the UL procedure that did not
attach itself to my previous post:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/HelicopUltra.gif
Doesn't seem anything has changed for us ULs. Same procedure we have
used since my first flight into Paradise City.
Be aware, Plant City Airport, just to the west of Lakeland will be
tower operated from 13 to 18 April with a 3 mile control zone. I
usually fly between Plant City and Lakeland from the north, which
would probably put me within 3 miles of Plant City. A call to their
tower will probably give permission to low level through their
airspace. Tower freq is on the FAA web site above.
Still undecided to pull or fly. Getting to be a hassle no matter what
mode of transportation. Continues to be an expensive proposition to
camp also.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
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| Anbody hear anything about this? Picked this post up on another
board............
| <<<<<"FWIW, anyone flying a 'Max to Sun-N-Fun might want to think
twice. The management has decided to inspect all UL's for strict
compliance with part 103 rules. Compliance is mandatory or NO TAKEOFF
ALLOWED. Please note this is NOT the FAA doing the inspections but
rather some Nazi Brown shirt types weilding power. All 2 seat trainers
will be checked for weight, paper work, exemption, pilot credentials,
etc. Single seaters must be with 103 parameters.
|
| Of course a corresponding check is NOT going to be imposed on GA
aircraft UNLESS it is an ultralight type aircraft. They will even be
checking for gas tanks over 5 gallons on singles. ">>>>
Snuffy/All:
Sounds to me like a disgruntled ultralighter wannabie.
I guess he is referring to "Nazi Brown shirt types wielding power" as
the volunteers that run Paradise City. I am sure they have a
volunteer slot for this person should they want to help in the
operation. I have gotten extremely disgruntly certain Air Ops
Volunteers over the years. There are a few that can really yank my
chain. However, I must learn to overlook them or volunteer to take
their place. No thanks..
"Of course a corresponding check is NOT going to be imposed on GA
aircraft UNLESS it is an ultralight type aircraft."
Someone will have to interpret the above quote.
If all the above were true, there would be very few aircraft flying in
the UL area, primarily experimental homebuilts flown by licensed
pilots.
The week would be spent waiting in line to be inspected, if that were
the case.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
You may
| find it at www.ultralightflying.com I hope it doesn't the ultralight
area at
| Sun&Fun too bad. But it does sound like you better not fly in unless
you are
| legal and have papers to prove it.
|
| Dan Walter
Hi Dan/All:
Can anyone scan the article and send it to me? Maybe post it to an
index page? I will post it to mine if I get a copy?
Dropped my membership in USUA after 19 continuous years, last year.
Folks at USUA got too pricey for me to be a member of USUA and get
their newspaper.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Verner 4 stroke |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
<< How do you like the Verner engine? Does it have enough get up and
go?...Is throttle response good? What about payload, do you have the same
compared to the 912, 80 horse engine? Would you do it again? Bill in
central Florida >>
Bill, and other interested Kolbers -
I am totally pleased with my choice of engine. It's mechanically simple, and
I wanted a 4-stroke, which equals reliability in my book because I admit
complete ignorance in the care & feeding of 2-stroke engines. Alhough my
first choice of powerplant for my Mark-3 was a 912, I could not afford a new
one at the time (1999) without waiting another 6-12 months, so the Verner
was my choice. I paid $7500 for it, complete with everything. Puts out
plenty of power for my 600-lb-empty plane. No regrets so far.
Advertised as an 80-hp engine, it should really be considered a 70-hp
engine, which is what the engine produces at its max continuous rpm of 4000.
(5000 rpm limited to 5 minutes.)
I've got a 72-inch Powerfin 3-blade prop, and my climb rate is 800 fpm, at
density altitudes of 8500 ft (my field elevation is 6200 ft msl). Engine
runs smoothly at all rpms, but it's best cruise range is 3400-3800.
Another Mark-3 owner on this List (Bill George) has a Verner on his Mark-3,
and he reports that it provides similar performance to a Rotax-582. He
should know, as he replaced the 582 that was originally on his airplane with
a Verner.
I bought my engine from Steve Flynn, of Central Florida Flyers
http://www.centralfloridaflyers.com/ who, at the time, was the sole US
distributor for the Verner. Now, there are about 2 or 3 other sources. Steve
has been outstanding in providing customer suppport for this engine.
Some general performance figures:
Takeoff run: 150 - 200 ft
Climbout: 4200 rpm, 55 mph, 800 fpm
Cruise: 4000 rpm - 75 mph
3800 rpm - 70 mph
3600 rpm - 65 mph
Would I do it again? Although I like the Verner, I still wanna 912, and I
hope I'll have saved up enough for one by the time I'm ready to switch.
Dennis Kirby
N93DK, Cedar Crest NM
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com
Dropped my membership in USUA after 19 continuous years, last year.
Folks at USUA got too pricey for me to be a member of USUA and get
their newspaper.
john h
John and others:
I will continue to send in my membership to USUA for the next 19 years.
Here's why; they are the only group that I could find that will insure us
ultralight flyers. I just sent in my renewal membership and $375 annual
premium for insuring my Firestar. I would encourage other list members to
check it out.
P.S. You do have to be a member, have your plan registered and you have to
be a registered pilot also.
Dwight Kottke
The Flying Farmer
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun$Fun
| --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com
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| Dropped my membership in USUA after 19 continuous years, last year.
| Folks at USUA got too pricey for me to be a member of USUA and get
| their newspaper.
|
| john h
|
| John and others:
|
| I will continue to send in my membership to USUA for the next 19
years.
| Here's why; they are the only group that I could find that will
insure us
| ultralight flyers. I just sent in my renewal membership and $375
annual
| premium for insuring my Firestar. I would encourage other list
members to
| check it out.
|
| P.S. You do have to be a member, have your plan registered and you
have to
| be a registered pilot also.
|
| Dwight Kottke
| The Flying Farmer
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Dwight/Gang:
Ooops! Fired a blank on that previous replay. 20,000 xin loi's.
If I were dependent on the USUA for, I assume liability insurance, I
would still be a member.
I agree with Dwight on this, "I would encourage other list members to
| check it out."
| P.S. You do have to be a member, have your plan registered and you
have to
| be a registered pilot also.
Dwight, I assume the above indicates requirements for the insurance
program.
Insurance is getting tough for everyone in our sport. Some of the
guys that had low time overall or in their make and model were dropped
by AVEMCO. Although I have been insured by AVEMCO for a long time,
they have jacked their premiums out of sight over last years extremely
high cost.
I have a telephone call in now to Falcon, who quoted about $350 less
than ACVEMCO for my MK III and me. Falcon is endorsed by EAA. If
they will insure me in the North Slope, Alaska, I will go with them.
If not I will stay with AVEMCO until I make this final flight to
Barrow. Primary reason for full coverage, to include aircraft
recovery, up there is obvious. Some places, if I went down, the only
way to recover the MK III would be by helicopter. Their fees would
probably max out the $25,000.00 AVEMCO allows to recover an airplane
and verges on the amount of hull coverage I have on the MK III.
When I get home, after this year's flying, I will probably go to
liability and hull (not in flight) coverage to take care of a tree
falling on the hanger or somebody deciding to trash her in the hanger.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 09:12 AM 2/25/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
>Anbody hear anything about this? Picked this post up on another board............
><<<<<"FWIW, anyone flying a 'Max to Sun-N-Fun might want to think twice. The management
has decided to inspect all UL's for strict compliance with part 103
rules. Compliance is mandatory or NO TAKEOFF ALLOWED. Please note this is NOT
the FAA doing the inspections but rather some Nazi Brown shirt types weilding
power. All 2 seat trainers will be checked for weight, paper work, exemption,
pilot credentials, etc. Single seaters must be with 103 parameters.
>
>Of course a corresponding check is NOT going to be imposed on GA aircraft UNLESS
it is an ultralight type aircraft. They will even be checking for gas tanks
over 5 gallons on singles. ">>>>
>
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Kolbers,
I scanned it in, and here it is from page 9 of Ultralight Flying, March 2004
Pilots, Manutacturers Heads Up
Changes in Ultralight Area for Sun 'n Fun '04
This year marks the 30th anniversary of Sun 'n Fun, the Florida
springtime event/fly-in that celebrates aviation. Since the theme for
Sun 'n Fun '04 is "30 Years of Sun 'n Fun. A Salute to Volunteers,"
many activities will honor the hundreds of volunteers without whom this an-
nual airshow would not happen. The ultralight area is no exception.
"We honor our volunteers every year," says ultralight chairman Dave
Piper. "We do a parade, have a Volunteer of the Year award that we do with-
in our area, and I try to make it as comforta~e and palatable as possible for
the volunteers."
While it will be mostly ~usiness as usual" in the ultralight area, this
year
volunteers will be on hand to make sure pilots are flying in compliance with
any applicable FAA rules, including pilots who fly in and manufacturers who
bring planes to the airshow.
Single-seaters should be either in compliance with FAR Part 103 or prop-
erly registered with FAA and flown with the appropriate pilot certificate. "If
somebody rolls out with a 10-gallon gas tank and says they're flying under
Part 108, we can't let that go," says Piper. "Something that's so flagrant, we
can't turn a blind eye to that."
Two-seaters should be properly registered with FAA and flown with the
appropriate pilot certificate. If a pilot is flying a 2-seat ultralight trainer,
that plane needs to have a registration number from the organization with
which it's registered, placarding, exemption certificate, the exemption issued
(depending on who it's from) and the plane needs to meet the 496-pound
empty weight requirement. "Pilots need everything that's required to fly
under the 2-seat trainer exemption," explains Piper. "Then you'll get a sticker
for your aircraft to go out onto the runway.
"We've always done it kind of on the honor system where you say
you have
your instructor rating if you're flying a 2-seater; you sign stating that," Piper
explains. "And we have let that go. This year pilots will have to produce doc-
umentation. It's all required to be in the aircraft anyhow. So we're not asking
for anything that shouldn't be there.
"N-numbered aircraft need appropriate documentation; they need
to show
airworthiness, pilot certification, weight and balance," says Piper. "That does
not necessarily mean that they will be flying. We've only got 1,350 feet of
runway. If we see an aircraft that doesn't have time to take off or is going to
create an unsafe situation, we're going to have that aircraft stand down."
Pilots operating foreign registered aircraft may be required to
work with
FAA to receive a Special Flight Authorization (SFA).
In his l5th year as ultralight area chairman, Piper takes his job
seriously
but hastens to add, "We're not regulating the aircraft, we're not regulating
pilots; but we are going to regulate our venue."
Vern's Back
Piper has also successfully talked ultralight commentator Vernon
Peck-
ham into coming back to lend his talents to Sun 'n Fun this year. "I had to
beg," says Piper, laughing. "He was bowing out for good reason, but we need
him. His retirement last year was for real. But I begged, and he said, 'I can't
tell you no'."
Questions? Call Dave Piper, phone: (727) 898-2810. e-mail,
dav1673758@aol.com .
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
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Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
March 2004
|
| Pilots, Manutacturers Heads Up
|
| Changes in Ultralight Area for Sun 'n Fun '04
| jbhart@ldd.net
Jack H/All:
Thanks for posting the article, Jack. It sounds a bit different from
the original interpretation by some other individual.
The Air Ops folks at S&F ultralight flight ops have, for some years
now, required an inspection by Air Ops personnel prior to flying in
and out of the UL area, once you have done your initial landing, if
flying in from some other location. However, they did not dig into
your paper work.
This article may be a cover you hind end type exercise on Dave's part.
If I were flying an illegal two place, i.e., unregistered and not in
strict compliance with current FAA regs, I would definitely do my
homework, or leave my two place at home. Folks flying experiementals
should always have all the required paperwork with them no matter when
and where they fly, although a lot of us don't unless we are going on
a cross country flight.
If you want to be a single place UL, have extra fuel tanks in the
open, which are obviously more than 5 gal, you might consider dropping
them somewhere before flying in to Paradise City.
Other than the above, it seems to be business as usual.
Take care,
john h
PS: If someone wants to send my posts to other Lists, as well as my
pics, please do me the courtesey of contacting me prior to doing so.
Thanks, jrh.
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| Subject: | Great Lakes Kolbers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Here's something for all you Greatlakes area Kolbers to look for when you're out cruising the countryside. http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040225_1617.html
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Sounds like Mr. Piper is trying to pass himself off as a G man and I know
thats not legal.
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
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>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Single-seaters should be either in compliance with FAR Part
103 or
prop-
> erly registered with FAA and flown with the appropriate pilot certificate.
"If
> somebody rolls out with a 10-gallon gas tank and says they're flying under
> Part 108, we can't let that go," says Piper. "Something that's so flagrant,
we
> can't turn a blind eye to that."
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| Subject: | Re: Sun & Fun Ultralight Arrival Procedure |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
All of the "NOTAM's" and other info left out one teeny little thing last
year...if you arrive and the parachutes types are in the air, don't land at
the same time. I had just flown 9 hours in a span of 11 hours and found
myself circling South of the field wondering what to do. No one resopnded on
the radio. I spent 45 minutes circling up to 15 min until sunset before I
said "enough of this, my back hurts". I shoot in between the para-things and
was met promptly by the King ATV rider OPS Controller. He chewed me out as I
mentioned that the para-thing was never in any of the info I ever saw. Turns
out, there is a 10 min window before sunset to allow non-para's to get in
before sunset...
Live and learn...
Kip
FSII
Atlanta
http://www.springeraviation.net/
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From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun & Fun Ultralight Arrival Procedure
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | This is extracted from the FAA web page:
>
> Good Morning All:
>
> In addition, here is the diagram of the UL procedure that did not
> attach itself to my previous post:
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/HelicopUltra.gif
>
> Doesn't seem anything has changed for us ULs. Same procedure we have
> used since my first flight into Paradise City.
>
> Be aware, Plant City Airport, just to the west of Lakeland will be
> tower operated from 13 to 18 April with a 3 mile control zone. I
> usually fly between Plant City and Lakeland from the north, which
> would probably put me within 3 miles of Plant City. A call to their
> tower will probably give permission to low level through their
> airspace. Tower freq is on the FAA web site above.
>
> Still undecided to pull or fly. Getting to be a hassle no matter what
> mode of transportation. Continues to be an expensive proposition to
> camp also.
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Will,
What this brings to mind for me is..Is a fella required to produce his
License, registration,,and any other required paperwork to anyone that is
NOT a member of a law enforcement agency?....or NOT a member of a regulatory
agency that has enforcment authority?...I kinda think not,,,but..I am not an
attourny.
IF a volunteer at Sun,N,Fun askes a pilot to produce his paperwork..is it
any different from a legal viewpoint than if a line-service boy at the local
airport asks you the same question?
I will not be at Sun'N'Fun in my airplane., so it does not matter to me in
that respect. If I go to Fla in the spring it would be as a spectator.
But..If this development lowers the attendance of the kind of aircraft that
I am interested in looking at...Then I might consider the drive not
worthwhile.
I dont personally know Dave..but I imagine the FAA already knows the answers
to these questions...and it is their responsibility, not his or any body
elses.
I would bet a buck that pressure to make this decision is not coming from
that direction...but some other....
If you have been involved in Ultralites for very long, you have likely felt
and seen this attutude before...from the same crowd. IT sure feels familiar
to me. Just a feeling....
Do NOt archive
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Sun & Fun Ultralight Arrival Procedure |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Last year I was able to squeeze in one day to get down to Sun N' Fun, spent
the day wandering around, waiting for the Good Airplanes to start flying at
Paradise City. Imagine my amazement when the only things flying that
evening were powered parachutes! What was wrong???? Ran into JH, and he
told me that PP's were all that were going to get to fly that day. He
probably saw from my expression that it was almost enough to make the
preacher cuss... Headed for the parking lot and left. You'd think they
could have published something ahead of time. What a waste...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 08:33 PM 2/25/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
>
>All of the "NOTAM's" and other info left out one teeny little thing last
>year...if you arrive and the parachutes types are in the air, don't land at
>the same time. I had just flown 9 hours in a span of 11 hours and found
>myself circling South of the field wondering what to do. No one resopnded on
>the radio. I spent 45 minutes circling up to 15 min until sunset before I
>said "enough of this, my back hurts". I shoot in between the para-things and
>was met promptly by the King ATV rider OPS Controller. He chewed me out as I
>mentioned that the para-thing was never in any of the info I ever saw. Turns
>out, there is a 10 min window before sunset to allow non-para's to get in
>before sunset...
>Live and learn...
>Kip
>FSII
>Atlanta
>
>http://www.springeraviation.net/
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| Subject: | Re: Sun & Fun Ultralight Arrival Procedure |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Last year I was able to squeeze in one day to get down to Sun N'
Fun, spent
| the day wandering around, waiting for the Good Airplanes to start
flying at
| Paradise City. Imagine my amazement when the only things flying that
| evening were powered parachutes! What was wrong???? Ran into JH, and
he
| told me that PP's were all that were going to get to fly that day.
He
| probably saw from my expression that it was almost enough to make
the
| preacher cuss... Headed for the parking lot and left. You'd think
they
| could have published something ahead of time. What a waste...
|
| Richard Pike
|
Richard/All:
You should send your post to David Piper, as well an any others that
have a complaint about how the UL area is run. He is the man.
However, it might help to also info the head hawg of S&F and and a bc
to Billy Henderson, the founder of S&F. Billy is a realistic
gentleman, an old aviator, and a first class guy. He is usually found
about supper time at the BBQ place out on 98 S. Usually sits with us
when we bump into him.
Before we had the rotor craft to share with. They got their own area
and along come the PP's. They are worse than the gyros were to get
along with. They get the pristine time periods to fly. ULs get what
is left over, if any. I have voiced my opinion to all concerned that
I know of down that way. Will do it again, if I am involved.
Take care,
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
We are planning a trip to fly to Lakeland, Fl on April the 12 thru the
16th. We will stay at the Sun-n-Fun for only 2 days.
And then head towards St Augustine, Fl and then to Jekyle Island, GA and
then finally back to Atlanta.
http://www.georgiasportflyers.com/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
I attended last year and enjoyed the weather, escaping a nasty ice storm
back here.
My first impression walking in from the parking area was watching the ULers
on extreme, way out there, extended downwind, approaching over the sea
of parked cars. EEK! Kinda like flying low and slow over a huge field of
tree stumps. Not for me. -BB, less bold every day, do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: inertia switch |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 2/22/04 11:42:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
by0ung@brigham.net writes:
>
> This was my worry. So if I were to make a hard, bouncy landing and the
> engine were suddenly "off" because of this switch, I wouldn't have the
> option to use power to get things under control or to go around. I could
> even lose power by hitting a bad bump on summer day?
>
> A coupla years ago i let a CFI fly my Firestar. It was still pretty new
then and the ignition switch was out in the open as the plans had depicted, near
the left knee.
The CFI took it up on a kinda rainy day, don't ask why he picked such a time,
and as he made his downwind, the engine quit at about 300 feet and 2/3 the
way down the runway. Well, let me tell you, he made a quick turn over the
treeline to make a quick final turn and then down on the ground with nothing left
over...it came in hard and bent an aluminum gear. Scared, was he ever scared.
Mumbled sumpin bout those damn 2 cycles, and helped the group that had gathered
push/carry the puppy to the hangar.
Days later my mind recalled that the ignition switch was off, and I asked him
if he had turned it off after landing, to which he stumbled a "no, I don't
think so".
Then I knew that his pudgy lil knee had tripped the switch and caused the
outage in the first place.
I put a paint can plastic top around the switch to keep that from ever
happening again. His mind had been so conditioned to the "damn problems with 2
cycles" that he never even suspected that he had killed the switch accidently
himself.
He used to be on this list ....but his mind was warped by the experience and
he sold his Mark III shortly thereafter. Had onathemdamn532s oner.
George Randolph
firestar driver from The Villages
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| Subject: | Re: fire in da hole |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 2/22/04 1:54:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rowedl@highstream.net writes:
> I have one mounted right under the passengers legs, just in front of the
> seat.
> IMHO every aircraft should have one.
>
> Denny Rowe, MK-3, PA
>
>
I agree, I have one too, above the 5 gal tank
George Randolph
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