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1. 04:31 AM - Re: weight/balance question (Thom Riddle)
2. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: weight/balance question (ZackGSD@aol.com)
3. 07:58 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 02/27/04 (Vic)
4. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 02/27/04 (John Hauck)
5. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 02/27/04 (John Hauck)
6. 09:34 AM - Re: weight/balance question (johnjung@compusenior.com)
7. 10:19 AM - Virginia Ultralight Safety Seminar (Bob N.)
8. 10:45 AM - what the???? (Bob N.)
9. 10:47 AM - Pictures 7 days ago (Mike Pierzina)
10. 10:55 AM - Re: what the???? (Ron or Mary Payne)
11. 11:04 AM - [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
12. 11:08 AM - Re: Pictures 7 days ago (Matt Dralle)
13. 11:10 AM - [ Clay Stuart ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
14. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: weight/balance question (ActionCrane@aol.com)
15. 06:08 PM - Re: Transporting an ultrastar. (Mid-State Sandblasting)
16. 06:54 PM - KISS (old thread) (Mike Pierzina)
17. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: weight/balance question (ZackGSD@aol.com)
18. 07:54 PM - Re: [ Clay Stuart ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (CRAIG M NELSON)
19. 08:09 PM - Re: Web Sites (Larry Bourne)
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| Subject: | re: weight/balance question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
I have no documentation whatsoever on the early Firestar/377 I fly. But my winter
flying weight is 210# and have been known to fly with an extra 5gal jerry can
of gas just behind the slingseat, in front of the bulkhead. I have had no CG
problems at all.
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: re: weight/balance question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ZackGSD@aol.com
In a message dated 2/28/2004 6:31:57 AM Central Standard Time,
jtriddle@adelphia.net writes:
> Subj: Kolb-List: re: weight/balance question
> Date: 2/28/2004 6:31:57 AM Central Standard Time
> From: jtriddle@adelphia.net
> Reply-to: kolb-list@matronics.com
> To: Kolb-List@matronics.com
> Sent from the Internet
>
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
>
> I have no documentation whatsoever on the early Firestar/377 I fly. But my
> winter flying weight is 210# and have been known to fly with an extra 5gal
> jerry can of gas just behind the slingseat, in front of the bulkhead. I have
had
> no CG problems at all.
>
> Thom in Buffalo
>
Thom, mine is equiped with a 503. the weight difference between the 377 and a
503 would make a difference, but I am not sure how much. thanks..Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 02/27/04 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic" <vicw@vcn.com>
Last spring a friend of mine took out a power line. Fortunately he survived
but he got the repair bill this week. $210,000.
If nothing else, the ability to ge insurance is enough to get me to join
USUA.
Vic
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 02/27/04 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
survived
| but he got the repair bill this week. $210,000.
Vic/All:
Must have been a gold plated line?
What did he hit it with?
Was it this guy in a CH701:
ACFT, CH701, A HOMEBUILT LANDED ON STATE ROUTE 48 NEAR EXELAND, WI
AFTER COMING IN CONTACT WITH A POWER LINE AROUND 1720CST. THE ACFT
TOOK OFF FROM A ROAD AND LANDED AT A PRIVATE STRIP. NO INJURIES TO THE
PILOT AND MINOR DAMAGE TO THE ACFT WERE REPORTED. NO AIR TRAFFIC
SERVICES WERE INVOLVED. SPOONER, WI
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 02/27/04 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
survived
| but he got the repair bill this week. $210,000.
Vic/All:
Sorry, miss read the first two words of you post, "Last Spring."
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: weight/balance question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "johnjung@compusenior.com" <johnjung@compusenior.com>
Alan and Group,
If I recall correctly, the original Firestar that I owned used 9 degrees
for weight and balance. My Firestar II uses 9 degrees, so probably all
Firestars do.
You may want to check your numbers again. I didn't think that it was
possible to exceed the forward balance limit without first going well
beyond the gross weight (i.e. a very heavy pilot).
If you would like, e-mail me your numbers, off-list, and I will run them
though my Excel program for a quick check.
John Jung
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| Subject: | Virginia Ultralight Safety Seminar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
The VA UL Safety Seminar will be held 20 March, 8:30 AM -3:30 PM at the
Virginia Aviation Museum on Richmond Int'l Airport. More info: call
Carolyn Toth at (804) 236-3637.
Bob N.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Just got a sharp msg from some tinhorn (Symantek Mail Security) saying
my last post re: VA Safety Seminar had "prohibited content." Their
serial no: 266 quad trillion, 402 trillion, 962 billion, 8 million, 329
thousand, and 972. That's almost one fer every msg ever written.
So, to all who read my msg, profound apologies--fer what?? I most
certainly don't want to make it
266,402,962.008,329,973. The Mail Censor won't reply to my request,
asking what was so bad.
Bob N.
My books are water; those of the great geniuses is wine. Everybody
drinks water--Mark Twain
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| Subject: | Pictures 7 days ago |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Guys,
I sent some pictures a week ago....
Matt sez he puts them in by hand....
I guess his hand is doing something else...He he
Maybe I should use a "TEMP" web page , to put current pictures in, and then
just delete them...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
Do not archive by hand
---
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: what the???? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne" <whyme@vci.net>
Your post came through here OK. Nothing prohibited about it in the message.
Ron Payne
-------Original Message-------
From: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: what the????
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Just got a sharp msg from some tinhorn (Symantek Mail Security) saying
my last post re: VA Safety Seminar had "prohibited content." Their
serial no: 266 quad trillion, 402 trillion, 962 billion, 8 million, 329
thousand, and 972. That's almost one fer every msg ever written.
So, to all who read my msg, profound apologies--fer what?? I most
certainly don't want to make it
266,402,962.008,329,973. The Mail Censor won't reply to my request,
asking what was so bad.
Bob N.
My books are water; those of the great geniuses is wine. Everybody
drinks water--Mark Twain
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| Subject: | [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Mike Pierzina <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Subject: Firestar II Pitot Tube
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| Subject: | Re: Pictures 7 days ago |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
I'm on it! Sorry, I took so long this week. I've been working until 8pm
every night this week. Photoshares are coming out in a couple of minutes!
Matt
At 10:47 AM 2/28/2004 Saturday, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>
>Hey Guys,
> I sent some pictures a week ago....
> Matt sez he puts them in by hand....
>
> I guess his hand is doing something else...He he
>
> Maybe I should use a "TEMP" web page , to put current pictures in, and
> then just delete them...
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
>
>Do not archive by hand
>---
>My Web Site:
>http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
>
>
>Sometimes you just have to take the leap
>and build your wings on the way down...
> Gotta Fly...
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | [ Clay Stuart ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
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Subject: Xtra rear fuselage enclosure
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| Subject: | Re: re: weight/balance question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ActionCrane@aol.com
Thom,
If you weigh 210 you are probably right in the middle of the allowable
20 to 37% CG for the early Firestar.
Steve H
Firestar/377
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| Subject: | Re: Transporting an ultrastar. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mid-State Sandblasting" <plane@rtmc.net>
I think that it is best to remove the wings and put them on 3 inch foam
rubber or a couple of old matrices, put the leading edge down, fasten
each wing bottom side against the wall of your trailer, do not let your
wing get close to the wall use foam rubber to prevent any rubbing. fasten
the ailerons so that they do not flop around I used foam insulation (used to
keep pipes from freezing) with very good results use roofing nails to hold
the foam in place on the walls, this may seem like a lot of work just to
move the plane home but it is a lot harder to fix moving damage, ask me how
I know this, Fasten the main wheels to the floor with ratchet straps put
the tail wheel on foam rubber and tie it down with bungee cords this will
help insulate the tail wheel from road shock I used 3/4 inch plastic pipe
on each side of the rudder to hold the stabilizer up against the rudder,
bungee cords work good to keep the ends of the pipe tight. use foam rubber
around your rear wings and rudder, you may have to remove your rear wings
due to roof clearance but that is easy, check your bird after about ten
miles retighten any thing that may have shifted, don't forget to check
on it every now and then. this is mostly common since stuff, and only let
your bird parts rub against foam that will not work lose. do not get in a
rush take your time and you will bring home a undamaged ultrastar
Randy
----- Original
Message -----
From: "garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Transporting an ultrastar.
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
>
> Thank goodness for this list. Now that I finally have figured it out.
Great information. Now the question
>
> In a short time I am going to go pick up an ultrastar. I will trailor it
back in an enclosed tralior. how can I protect the wings from damage on
this long commute about 500 miles + -- will it ride in the retracted
position ok.
>
>
> Steve Garvelink
>
>
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| Subject: | KISS (old thread) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Guys,
Now I remember what the subject was when I sent those pictures of my Pitot
tube installation...
I wrote something that tied it into the current thread, but it didn't get typed
with the pictures...
The subject of KISS came up...and well,...
my pitot tube qualified....
Theirs gotta be a better way for me to get pictures thru..... maybe a "miscellaneous
page" on my web site.
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
---
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: re: weight/balance question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ZackGSD@aol.com
In a message dated 2/28/2004 7:23:21 PM Central Standard Time,
ActionCrane@aol.com writes:
> Subj: Re: Kolb-List: re: weight/balance question
> Date: 2/28/2004 7:23:21 PM Central Standard Time
> From: ActionCrane@aol.com
> Reply-to: kolb-list@matronics.com
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent from the Internet
>
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ActionCrane@aol.com
>
> Thom,
> If you weigh 210 you are probably right in the middle of the allowable
> 20 to 37% CG for the early Firestar.
>
> Steve H
> Firestar/377
Steve,
I have been using the following formular to do the CG on my older )95) Kolb
- 12.8 - 23.7 inches; which is off the plans from a friend of mine's 97
Firestar 11. His also calls for a 9 degree angle. Thom sent me an old W & B sheet
for the early 90's Kolb and it says to use what you are recomending - 20 -
37%. My Kolb CG comes in at around 31" aft of the leading edge. Can some one
please explain why the older Kolbs W $ B sheets use a %; while the newer ones
gives it to you in inches. If my older Kolb comes in at 31 inches aft of the
leading edge, is that within the allowable limits, it would appear so?
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: [ Clay Stuart ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Email List Photo Shares
Subject: Kolb-List: [ Clay Stuart ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Clay Stuart <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Subject: Xtra rear fuselage enclosure
DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT
ARCHIVE
Clay,
no apologies needed here what a great job. again as I have always said It Is fun
to see what others are doing and to put a little of yourself in the plane and
that's what kolbs are about. hope to fire mine up in a couple of weeks.
uncle craig
MKIIIex 912uls warp
Arizna
www.milows.com
DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I re-named this for the new subject. Two thoughts, 1 for Mike: I
don't know how GeoCities is setup, but with my provider (Homestead) I'm
allowed X number of separate websites for a given fee. (BTW, they're about
to lose me, cause the fees are increasing dramatically, year by year, and
now they've gotten TOO greedy) What I've done is create 2 websites for
temporary pics only, 1 of which (flyingpics.com) I haven't used much yet,
and the other (tempics.com) which I've used quite a bit on another forum.
It makes it simple - you publish the picture and whatever explanation you
want, when you want it, and for as long as you want it. Works good ! ! !
2nd thought, for Matt Dralle: The other forum that I'm active on (and where
I use the tempics.com a lot) is the DPReview's Nikon Digital Camera Forum.
(www.dpreview.com/forums , and scroll down to Nikon Talk) It is truly
international, and I've had dialog recently with people from Malaysia to the
Sudan; Norway to Australia. What Fun ! ! !................but what I
REALLY like about it is that in a message you can enter a .jpg link to a
picture, (such as:
http://www.tempics.homestead.com/files/J_Cr_Take_Off_2C.JPG ) and it'll
open automatically with the message on the forum. I don't know if it's
financially feasible for Matt, but it sure is a nice feature. It's a VERY
active forum, too. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: KISS (old thread)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>
>
> Theirs gotta be a better way for me to get pictures thru..... maybe a
"miscellaneous page" on my web site.
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
>
> ---
> My Web Site:
> http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
>
>
> Sometimes you just have to take the leap
> and build your wings on the way down...
> Gotta Fly...
>
>
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